mass murder there, lewiston, very close to bowdoin college. and he came to our attention because of a school shooting in tennessee that he was trying to bring to the attention of the state legislature and that actually, as people recall, got him expelled. and he, of course, worked his way back in and got elected again, but he is here to consider what this means, what it feels like to him to have that hit close to his college the way it hit close to home in tennessee. >> i'm eager to hear on justin pearson on this. he has remarkably deep and wise thoughts for someone so young on a host of really complicated and distressing topics. >> yes he's a unique voice. we're lucky to have him here tonight. thank you alex. i have no understanding. those were the under oath words of donald trump jr. today when his temporary job title was -- witness number 21. called to the witness stand by new york attorney general letitia james to testify against his father, donald trump jr. is a codefendant with his father in the case. and because it's a civil case, the defendants can be forced to testify. there was a time when donald trump jr. was the least likely member of the family to go to work for his father and eventually become a codefendant with him. in a profile of donald trump's first three children, new york magazine in 2004, in which they all cooperated with the reporter and were interviewed, there is this passage about donald trump's very messy and public divorce from their mother, who accused donald trump of violence against her in a book. the magazine article says, quote, donny blamed the divorce on his father. and that, perhaps, not exactly what it was he says, a bit haltingly. but when you're living with your mother, it's easy to be manipulated. you get a one-sided perspective. he didn't speak to his dad for a year. in that article, donald trump jr., who didn't speak to his father for a year, made it very clear though he is the first born and has his father's name, he knows he is not his father's favorite child. that status, he acknowledges, belongs to his sister, ivanka. in the new york magazine article, their mother said this about donald trump. he's not the kind of father who would choo choo, nuno, he would love them, he would kiss them and hold them, but then he would give it to me because he had no idea what to do. give it to me. the new york magazine article gave the least attention to eric trump, something he is surely used to. eric trump, also a codefendant in the case and will be forced to testify, occupies a revealing paragraph. in the new york magazine article that just might be everything you need to know about eric trump. quote, eric, who seems the most inclined to look on the bright side, believes his parent's breakup cemented a deeper bond between him and his siblings. donny, in a way, is like a mentor. he kept tabs on everything that my grandfather taught him over the years and that i was too young to appreciate. and i'm definitely closer to ivanka because of it. she took me under her wing and raised me, took me shopping, tryed to make me cool. well, at least you tried. ivanka trump is described in new york magazine article as speaking, quote, in a madonna-like european accent. and she is the most defensive about how easy their lives have been. we've all made peace with the fact that we will never be able to achieve any level of autonomy, says ivanka. no matter how different a career path we choose from our parents, people will always say we wouldn't have gotten there if it hadn't been for our name. a name cannot get you through medical school. you have to do the work. you have to do the work in high school and college, and to get to medical school it's gonna be more difficult than high school and college combined. the trump name would not have helped. if any of them had joined the military, which no one in the trump family has ever considered doing, there are many, many things the trump children could have done that would have left no one saying that they got that because of their name. but instead, they all chose the one thing that they could only get because of their name. they chose to go to work for their father. the father who don trump jr. didn't speak to for a year because of a treatment of his mother, and because according to legal findings already made by the judge in the new york attorney's federal case against trump, the trump children's father was running a corrupt business, rife with corrupt and illegal business practices. they all dutifully played their part in their father's corrupt enterprise. don trump jr.'s testimony in the case began today and will continue tomorrow. the essence of his testimony on his first day on the witness stand was to blame others, the accountants, for the false valuations of trump assets. donald bender, the longtime accountant for the trump business, has testified that he used the valuations that the trumps gave him. today, don trump jr. blamed donald bender and his accounting firm's team. don trump junior said he was an outside accountant that we relied heavily on me. donald trump jr. also claimed to have no understanding of generally accepted accounting principles. he said he remembered hearing in accounting class, and he said i know nothing about generally accepted accounting principles. priot to don trump junior's testimony, an expert witness testified the fraudulent information used by donald trump's business prevented banks from collecting $168 million in potential interest on loans. donald trump, who has a radically come and gone from the courtroom, did not bother to be there today to support his first born son on the witness stand. donald trump jr.'s mother couldn't be there because she died last year. but her words hung in the air in the courtroom is a sort of explanation for donald trump's absence today. he would give it to me because he had no idea what to do. eric trump probably has no expectation of a loving, paternal eye gazing at him across the courtroom when he takes the witness stand. but when donald trump's favorite child testifies, the one who donald trump junior jealously describes as, quote, daddy's little girl, then maybe, just maybe, daddy will show up. leading off our discussion tonight is adam klassfeldt, senior legal correspondent for the messenger. he was in the courtroom today, as he is every day for the proceedings. and tim o'brien is with us, senior executive editor for bloomberg opinion and author of trump nation: the art of being the donald. he's a host of the bloomberg podcast, crash course and nbc political analyst. adam, you are our eyes and ears in the courtroom today. what were the high points, as you saw them? >> that quote that you lead with, lawrence, the i had no understanding, that was followed by a rather tense pause and laughter that's one of those things it doesn't show up on the gold record. it's as you said with the gap generally accepted accounting principles that was one point that was part of what the attorney general's office led off with. when the trial started on october 2nd, they showed a snippet of don jr. testifying, and basically denying detailed knowledge of generally accepted accounting principles, in that he basically said that he understood the acronym, but beyond that it was basically accounting 101 at wharton business school, and so he had a kind of tight rope to walk here. he can't admit really detailed knowledge of generally accepted accounting principles because the attorney general's office says that he was in charge of essentially having the statements of financial condition, making sure that they conformed to them. and instead -- so when he had said that he was not, that he did not understand the generally accepted accounting principles, it was in line with where the trial lead off. and later in the day it went on from there. >> and adam, donald trump jr., as well as most of the other witnesses, are already, as is very common in civil cases, on the record in video recorded depositions, which normally in trials like this, sound pretty much exactly like what they are going to say in court. >> absolutely. this is something that happens very frequently, that they have added deposition, that's where we got a little preview of where things were going and where we basically saw attorney general's counsel lead off questioning with. so that wasn't unexpected. later on in the day, we went into further details about his relationship with allen weisselberg, former cfo of the trump organization, and who he was in charge of essentially getting the statements of financial conditions, signing off on them for a large number of years. we got more insights, for example, into what happened during the early years of trump 's presidency. your viewers may remember, at the beginning of trump's presidency, there was a lot of concern about the kind of thicket of conflicts of interest around the world. we learned today that five days before the end of trump's presidency, he had gone back to the trust that he had said that he had steered to his sons. he had planned five days before going back into public life to be the trustee for that trust, which goes to show that he wasn't planning on another term, he was planning on leaving the white house five days before his presidency expired. >> tim o'brien, you're the first to have experience litigating with donald trump over this very issue, which is to say, the value of his holdings. he sued you when you wrote that he was not nearly as rich as he claimed to be. you, of course, won that lawsuit. donald trump lost badly. but you had already seen the way this works when donald trump and his business actually enter the under oath process, where the trump game can't be played. >> and you discover when you just put documents in front of the trump, banking records, other parties assessments of their wealth, they tie themselves in knots because they lie so frequently and so fluidly about everything, and they can't even be consistent about their lying. recently, after, i think, one of the shows i was on last week, one of trump's longtime advisers texted me and said, you know, the problem with donald isn't just that he lies, it's that he can't lie consistently. he will say he's worth six billion, two billion, one billion. i'll say just say stick with 6. the reality is, lying and dissembling is not a bug in the trump organization, it's a feature. and today donald trump jr. was exhibit a in how they roll around that. because don trump jr., not knowing anything about gaap, allows them to make up the numbers. and he tried to pawn it off on his accountants. and i can tell you because i can see these documents, it wasn't pawned off on the accountants, because the accountants wouldn't sign off on the document. they said specifically because none of this comports with the standards that all the rest of us use to validate the numbers, we won't sign off on it. so the accountants never gave the blessing to this number. they simply said okay, you've given us this, we don't agree with this, do what you want with this document. that was a statement of financial condition that they peddle to banks and the media forever. the other thing to keep very front of mind here about the children is that they are as ignorant as their father. they are comically ill informed about everything under the sun, and that is another reason they dissemble. the children's relationship to their father is a hostage video. all of them are beholden to him, they have been since they were children. don jr., like the prodigal son, as much as he tried to distance himself from his father, inevitably got pulled back into his father's orbit. all three of the children, despite the conflicts about being in his presence, end up working for him. and now they have put themselves in harm's way because they're material witnesses against their father. if they perjure themselves on the stand, they're gonna be in trouble. don junior and eric are subject to the same penalties their fathers, being exiled from the new york business community, from being able to do work in new york state, and possibly paying very hefty fines. that's what their allegiance to their father has won for them in the state of new york. and this weird kind of psycho drama that's playing out in the courtroom now is going to get capped at the end of the week by ivanka's testimony. as we all know, donald trump has a has a unsettling relationship with his daughter. he talked about wanting to date her. he sees her as a trophy he can parade around, as emblematic of his good deeds and arrival in the world. but what's gonna happen next friday is her siblings and her father's testimony will precede hers. she's gonna have to be very careful that the prosecutors don't carve her up like a turkey if she dissembles and lies about how the trumps presented their financial statements to banks, insurance 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>> differences of experience and expertise. also, there's a confusing factor here in how jack smith's team approach this between the two cases. in the d. c. case the file was known as a section four motion under the classified information procedures act, which is this is the classified information that would be discoverable, that we would ordinarily turn over to a defendant, because it's classified, a certain sensitivity, we want permission under the statute to provide, basically, unclassified substitutions. not the actual document, but here's the unclassified summary substitutions. they provided that to judge chutkan. judge chutkan reviewed everything under seal, in-camera, by herself. she had an ex parte by their own hearing with trump's lawyers, just to be safe. but she concluded, no, i'm good with the government's submission, you can give these substitution discoverable information to trump. in florida, it was under section three, which is not the same thing. it's not that proactive motion to delete. it's talking about the larger overall protective order, and then became this debate over the scope of the provision, and if it could apply to these defendants. it's not even talking about trump, it's talking about de oliveira and nauta. it became confusing to what extent that was applicable. i think this will get cleared up with section four motions, before judge cannon in florida. but it was a very odd set of coincidences to have these two different rulings with two different types of motions. >> and judge cannon said she's ready to hear a section four version of this, which was not what she was hearing today. >> correct. again, i don't know why jack smith's team approached it that way. it certainly was probably a strategy behind it. i certainly expect they will be doing this at some point. i think they were fighting here on a procedural issue that nauta and de oliveira wanted access to stuff that isn't relevant to their charges, because they're not charged with espionage act charge violations. they're on the obstruction angle. it came down weird, we're gonna see a lot of this with judge cannon. i'm looking forward to finding out what she sets as this new date, if she changes the deadlines, the trial date in that case. i don't anticipate it will be as long as summer theory. >> glenn, on the trial schedule, the prosecutors are saying to judge cannon, look, you just have to ignore the other cases and set your own schedule, because in fact, you have no idea what roadblocks or changes might come up in the scheduling of any of these cases. none of these schedules are locked in, and so you just have to go ahead and schedule it. what was your reaction to that? >> you know, lawrence, i've often had defendants who were pending multiple trials, sometimes in multiple jurisdictions, and there is this phenomenon where defense attorneys will play one trial date against another, one courtroom and they will complain about how burdensome of this it is to prepare for the other case then they go in the second courtroom and say how burdensome it is to prepare for the first case. i will tell you, this is not a criticism, normally accusing defense attorneys as acting in bad faith when they do this, but sometimes i have seen both trial dates get continued because they play one against the other. can i also say i am relieved that you asked bradley the question about these two rulings because he's the subject matter expert. but in preparation for tonight, i read these two motions back to back, and i wouldn't presume to give your viewers homework, but when you read these motions one after another, you get the sense that you're almost compelled to ask yourself the question, what does judge cannon have against the office of special counsel? because for 15 pages it's almost nothing but criticism of special counsel, some of it feels gratuitous, bordering on snarky. what drove home for me is that maybe there was an opportunity lost by jack smith deciding not to file a motion to recuse. because a recusal motion, the standard under federal law couldn't be lower. it's simply if a judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned. if so, the judge shall recuse. it would have been nice to have that litigated, have some sunlight on it, have the trial court resolve it, and the appellate court resolve it. then we could move forward without this lingering concern, especially because as we've been discussing, it feels like she may want to kill this trial date by the death of 1000 continuances. so i think her impartiality continues to be in question. >> i agree with you on that, glenn. her attitude toward jack smith and the special prosecutor's staff, it just seethes through almost every sentence she is writing in their direction in any ruling she makes. it's always there. glenn kirschner, bradley moss, thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up, tennessee state representative justin j. pearson will join us next, and he will join me friday night in boston as the guest of honor at the action for boston community development annual event. representative justin j. pearson is next. hi, i'm ben and i've lost 60 pounds on golo. 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paul in lewiston. the mass murderer's family warned local law enforcement of his declining mental health while having access to firearms five months before the mass murder. the ap reports the mass murderer quote, underwent a mental health evaluation last summer after accusing soldiers of calling him a pedophile, shoving one and locking himself in his room during training in new york, officials said. a bulletin sent to police shortly after last week's attack said the murderer had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks after hearing voices and threats to shoot up a military base. our next guest, tennessee state representative justin j. pearson, is a graduate of bowdoin college in maine, and he said this. i was privileged to attend bowdoin college in brunswick, maine, and now mourn the lives lost during the senseless violence committed by a mass shooter at a bowling alley not very far from my alma mater in lewiston, maine. i stand in solidarity with the survivors as they grapple in the aftermath of this horrific act, and pray for the healing of those injured during the attack in the lewiston community. gun violence is a national epidemic. it is a preventable epidemic. the deaths caused by gun violence are a product of the moral cowardice of people in power failing to protect innocent people. elected leaders must prevent these tragedies, from memphis to maine. as legislators, it is our duty to do all we can to prevent these atrocities by passing laws that protect people, schools, and communities. joining us now is democratic state representative justin j. pearson of tennessee. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i thought of you when i saw the location of this event, knowing that you graduated from bowdoin, spent four years there in maine. please, just feel free to share your thoughts with us tonight about what has happened in maine. >> lawrence, i want to thank you so much for the opportunity to be here tonight. i am, again, devastated and heartbroken by the preventable loss of life for the folks in lewiston. we cannot be desensitized to the traumatizations that mass shootings continue to have in our community. maine is one of most beautiful places i have ever been. it was a place to help to nurture me and grow me into the person that i am, and i know that the folks there are resilient. i know they're beautiful people. but this tragedy has really shown us that we have more to do to protect our communities. a lot of conversation has been about how we protect schools, but the reality is children go to bowling alleys. grandparents and parents take their families out to have nights out. we have to ensure that we prevent people from having access to weapons of war that should not have them. we can never, never allow ourselves to believe that this is normal. we can never allow these tragedies, and unfortunately these 18 funerals that are happening in maine, with several funerals, the six funerals that happened here in tennessee after the covenant school shooting, and week after week in my district, due to the everyday epidemic of gun violence, to be normalized. this is a tragedy. and we have to remain sensitized to the harm and to the effects of the national rifle association of the american firearms associations policies that are making sure that elected leaders do nothing in the face of the most significant killer of children in our country. we've got to do better. and i am devastated, truly devastated, for the people in maine and across our country who are suffering from this epidemic. >> as you do in tennessee when you rose to try to, in the legislature, try to bring to the attention of the legislature in the elected representatives there, their moral responsibility on this issue, you mentioned tonight that it is elected officials who must act. we saw something so unusual in maine after this, representative congressman jared golden, who changed his position on this and asked for forgiveness for his past position. let's listen to what he said. >> i have opposed efforts to ban deadly weapons of war, like the assault rifle used to carry out this crime. the time has now come for me to take responsibility for this failure. this is why i now call on the united states congress to ban assault rifles, like the one used by the sick perpetrator of this mass killing in my hometown. >> that's something we don't normally see after these events. >> that is not something that we see, and it is a pattern that the republican party and conservatives should follow. you have been wrong, and it's time to be right. you've been wrong about the issue of gun violence prevention. you've been wrong about assault weapons. you have been wrong about extreme risk protection orders and red flag laws, and now is the time to be right. and hopefully you do not have to have 18 people in your community killed by a mass burn or with an assault rifle for you to change your position. there's been enough bloodshed, enough people who have died, enough funerals, enough guns and gun violence that has impacted our communities this year alone, over 500 plus mass shootings have occurred. thousands of people in communities have been shattered. we don't need to wait or waste anymore time listening to the national rifle association. they don't care about our children. they do not care about our communities. they do not care about protecting us. we are responsible for protecting our communities. and for legislators to only pray, when you have the power of the pen and the power positions that the people put you in, you have a responsibility to do more. and that is to change the status quo. and we must do everything that we can, everything that we can, to prevent these tragedies from occurring in the first place, and not just praying after they happen. this is one representative who has changed his position. they need to be thousands more, to have moral courage, because we are right, we are morally right, and we are politically right. the people in our communities want to see laws passed and created and crafted that make us safer. and we need to do everything we can to pass those across this country. >> representative justin j. pearson, thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. i can't wait to see you friday night in boston at the action for boston community development event. >> thanks so much, lawrence. let's keep fighting. and i look forward to seeing you too, my friend. >> thank you. coming up, our next guest spent the last week reporting in israel in the west bank, new york times columnist nicholas kristoff will join us next. he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ - bye, bye cough. - later chest congestion. hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours!! not coughing? hashtag still not 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>> yes, lawrence, it's an incredibly -- you are seeing that behind us, so you can't see quite as clearly as we normally can the gaza skyline, but we have been hearing just even in the last five minutes the sound of heavy caliber artillery fired into northern gaza. the israeli military, israeli officials, they have said repeatedly that they plan to focus the bulk of their military efforts on northern gaza and gaza city. they have said multiple times today that they are continuing to expand their ground operations in that section of gaza, eventually planning to primarily focus on gaza city, because that is where they claim hamas militants primarily operate out of. in the last two days, we have seen the israeli military carry out air strikes in a highly populated area full of civilians in northern gaza. this is not the first time we have seen this, but this took place in the area of the jabalia refugee camp. they claim that in both of those strikes, they were targeting hamas militants and that they were successful in killing hamas militants, including someone who they described as a high-ranking commander of the jabalia battalion. but there are increasing questions about why those strikes were carried out in a manner that caused such a significant impact, it seems, on civilians. and tonight, in the last couple of hours, the u. n. has said that they are concerned. they have serious concerns, they say, based on the civilian casualty numbers and also the level of destruction in the jabalia refugee camp, they are concerned, they say, that the attack israel carried out there could have been disproportionate, and in their words, may amount to a war crime. lawrence? >> ellison barber, thank you. and joining us now is nicholas kristoff, a pulitzer prize -winning journalist and an author, he's also new york times columnist who has just returned from assignment in israel. nick, you have just returned from israel, what did you learn, what did you feel? >> boy, i don't think i've ever been as depressed on a trip as this time. the mutual animosity and dehumanization on each side i think is getting worse by the day. you know, as it is right now, a child is dying on average every ten minutes in gaza. that is inflaming the west bank and lebanon, understandably. meanwhile, israelis are extraordinarily traumatized, understandably, from the hamas attacks on them. and i just see this cycle of bloodshed continuing. i wish that the-- i mean, president biden at this point has just enormous resonance and popularity in israel. i wish that he was using his capitol a little more forcefully to try to encourage israel to, you know, allow fuel to get in to run generators and hospitals, and to target hamas more directly, with fewer civilian casualties. >> what we don't know about the story, i am not sure whether we ever will, is what president biden and secretary blinken and others in the administration are saying privately. we know exactly what their public statements are. and their public statements may be so forcefully supportive of israel so that it allows them to be more forceful privately trying to counter what the israeli government might be wanting to do on any given day. so that is one of the mysteries of where we actually are. there is the public rhetoric, but what is the private work that president biden and secretary blinken are actually doing? we don't know. >> we don't, that is true. but we do know that the biden administration has talked for about a week about humanitarian pauses, encouraging them, and, you know, they have not had them. and we do know that the strikes are continuing in gaza in ways that are killing kids. and you know, everybody understands that israel has to get hamas targets, there is some collateral damage. but it is happening at a level that is hard to see how this advances israeli security when you have so many people who are losing their parents, who are losing their kids. i was interviewing one gaza family who were in jerusalem to get medical care. i was interviewing the mom, and the eight-year-old child was a few feet away playing with mom's phone. i look to see what he was doing, he was watching tiktok's on his mom's phone of his neighborhood being bombed. and you know, what does that child gonna grow up to want to be? i just have, i have seen this script before, and i think it's hard to bomb your way in ways that hit a lot of civilians and build security in that path. >> nick, the phrase that used to frame these events in the 20th century was proportionate response, whether it be the united states, whether it be israel, responding to some kind of attack, the response was supposed to be, in theory, proportionate. the 21st century israeli government has seemed to deliberately and publicly abandoned the notion of proportionate response into, in effect, disproportionate, saying we will hit you even harder than you had ever expected. this seems to be the deliberate framing that they want. >> so i think that there certainly is discussion among israeli officials about the last war with hezbollah, and it was a sense that nasrallah, the head of hezbollah, once he was hit that hard that he spoke and said publicly that he wished he had not actually engaged in that war. and i think that the lesson israel learned is that, well, you can create enough pain on civilians it trickles through to the government and will lead to more, you know, more prudence down the road. but at such a price. and, you know, it -- i am just deeply skeptical that this is actually going to achieve the result. i think israel is enormously traumatized, as we were after 9/11, and we had doubt and got in a quagmire in iraq. and i'm afraid israel is now proceeding on that path, and likewise it won't advance israeli security, it won't protect israelis. but it will kill an awful lot of children in gaza. >> nicholas kristoff, thank you very much for joining us tonight. good to be with you, lawrence. >> thank you. we will be right back. actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works. i'm kareem abdul jabbar. i was diagnosed with afib. the first inkling that something was wrong was i started to notice that i couldn't do things without losing my breath. i couldn't make it through the airport, and every like 20 or 30 yards i had to sit down and get my breath. every physical exertion seemed to exhaust me. and finally, i went to the hospital where i was diagnosed with afib. when i first noticed symptoms, which kept coming and going, i should have gone to the doctor and told them what was happening. instead, i tried to let it pass. if you experience irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, you should talk to your doctor. afib increases the risk of stroke about 5 times i want my experience to help others understand the symptoms of atrial fibrillation. when it comes to your health, this is no time to wait. ♪ i wanna hold you forever ♪ hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side... i'll be there... ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪ >> that is tonight's last word. they love the hour with stephanie ruhle starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tonight, donald trump jr. takes the stand in new york's civil fraud case against the former president. what he said under oath about his family's business. then, house speaker mike johnson looking to tie aid for israel to cuts to the irs, a move that would add billions to the deficit and hook up rich tax evaders. and i go one-on-one with the fonz himself, henry winkler breaks down the impact of his iconic character. you do not want to miss this, as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. ♪ ♪ ♪ good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle, liv