Our own house, the house of donald trump brinks. Today marks two weeks since hamas executed that most deadly single attack on israel in that nations history. Setting off a brutal and deadly war. Its been 18 days since the United StatesHouse Of Representatives has properly elected a speaker. Thursday, night fresh from his trip to israel, President Biden addressed the country, speaking passionately about those suffering in the wars of ukraine, israel, and gaza. He speaks about the necessity for American Leadership and unity right now. American leadership is what holds the world together. American alliances of what keeps us, america safe. American values are what make us part of the other nations want to work with. To put all that at risk and walk away from ukraine, turn our backs on israel, its just not worth it. Thats why tomorrow im gonna send to congress an urgent budget request, to fund americas massive security needs. To support our critical partners, including israel and ukraine. I know we have our divisions at home. We have to get past. We cant let petty partisan angry politics get in the way of our responsibilities as a great nation. But the house cant pass the budget that hes talking about. They cant pass the 80 israel or to ukraine. It cant even keep itself open. If the money runs out. The house can do anything at all, because the House Republicans havent managed an 18 days since ousting their own speaker without a plan with what to do next, to elect a replacement to lead the body. This is the first time in our nations history that the House Of Representatives has been without an elected speaker, and is not going well. Yesterday, the house conference voted by secret ballot, thats key to drop the election that hired jim jordan after jordan failed on his third vote, where he set the record a second time for fewest votes received by a majority partys nomination for speaker. And heres the more important part, in a culture of violence that donald trump has nurtured in america, and the Republican Party, some of the republican members who publicly had voted against jim jordan, who was the trump backed choice, have now reported receiving Death Threats. Phone calls, and text messages, with Death Threats in them. For opposing jim jordans candidacy. Even Kevin Mccarthy, who is possibly the least effective has speaker in modern history, has expressed deep concern about the party, in what he calls, the crazy eight Chaos Members of the republican conference. Unfortunately, jim is no longer going to be the nominee, will have to go back to the drawing board. What history will look at the crazy eighth, the amount of damage they have done to this party, to this country, is insurmountable. Ive never seen this amount of damage done to just a few people for their own personalities, for their own fear of whats going and really, its astonishing to me, we are in a very bad position as a party. The house adjourned last night with no clear plan how to elect a speaker next week. With that least ten republicans considering a run. Its hard to see, maybe just because of my age, but underneath all of those pictures, we put a little thing whether they voted to uphold the election of 2020, or overturned. Eight of the people on this picture of ten are actual election deniers. Imagine that. The speaker of the House Of Representatives, the person right after the Vice President in line for the presidency having denied the actual legitimate election of that president. Thats the Republican Party that we have right now. One that is Self Cannibalizing as we speak. Eating itself. One that is allowing the chaos caucus to undermine congresss ability to do anything at all. So as President Biden calls on america to show its strength and its unity, as he calls on congress to show the world what American Leadership looks like, the Republican Party is stuck in a downward spiral. Joining me now is the former public and republican, he is also the Executive Director and Vice President of the congressional program, and joanne friedman, professor at yale university, and author of the field of blood. Welcome to both of you. Joe, and ive known you for a long time, and ive always thought it would be nice to talk. Every time i talk to you its because of something that is that serious. I just spoke to rays mom in the last hour, historian of congress who says, weve actually not been in a situation like this since the around the civil war, where it took 133 votes over several months to get a speaker of the house. That was about a war in which more than three quarters of americans died in civil war. Kevin mccarthy seems to have come to his senses, this is insurmountable destruction being led by a bunch of republicans on the house. And then, joanne, there is violence on top of that. There are threats of violence. Don bing says his wife sleeps with a gun next to her, a republican congressman, because of the threats that they received. I dont know what you make of this. I guess i make two things a bit, number one, and i also when i think about the current moment, i go back to 1856, which is im sure thats what ray was talking about. Two months battled to create a speaker, to elect a speaker. Which was two months because slavery was the issue, and it couldnt be compromised, and in the end, a new party, anti slave party, rises, and that indeed becomes the way forward in politics at that time. So these kinds of Speaker Battles are kind of a snapshot of the nation. And what were seeing now, is a rise of extremism on the right, a good number of people on the right who are not pushing back. And a small number of people on the right who are. So number one, what that shows us, is right where we are. There is not a stream of opposition to whats going on right now on the right. And so, for all the democracy democracy is in danger, and if this is a snapshot, we are seeing that there is a little pushback, but not a lot of pushback to what could have been here a very dangerous moment. Charlie, i guess the Silver Lining here, because thats the kind of guy i am, trying to find a Silver Lining, is that Kevin Mccarthy has been unshackled and is saying all the things out loud that he needs to. Hes coined the crazy eight gain by gaetz, or whatever it is. You tweeted something. Patrick mchenry is the speaker at the moment. Theres some exercise in trying to get him in place until january 3rd so we can get through this Government Shutdown and pass bills. You tweeted if pro tem parliament fails, Governing Republicans and dump cars should Work Together on a Power Sharing Agreement and elect a bipartisan speaker of the house. For people who live in parliamentary democracies, this is not an unusual thing. Its very its actually never happened in america. But its not an unusual things in major democracies in the world. Tell me what youre thinking. Weve watched this session of congress proceed where republicans in the house needed democrats to help them bring bills to the forefront on the debt ceiling and on the budget ruling. They couldnt have passed without Hakeem Jeffries they needed it. Same thing with this resolution, democrats were needed,toe most p the government opening. I suspect will need the same kind of coalition to elect elect the speaker, i keep looking at the senate where it was split evenly 50 50. 50 republican 50 democratic. The were evenly divided. And they functioned on a consensus basis. It wasnt ideal for either side, but it worked. Maybe the House Of Representatives is going to need to look at that model, 50 50 on the even steven on the committees, and then try to function on a consensus basis. Elect a speaker, like mchenry, i still think thats a viable option. The lead democrats to empower him. And by the way, i have a Campaign Slogan for patrick mchenry, Give Me Liberty or give me mcbath. Nevertheless, there you go. Thats something we should look at. One other thing, the irony of what Kevin Mccarthy just said about the eight, i could make a strong case that jim jordan and a few others, help spawn that group. That group is very much, thats saying wing. Im with you. When youre eye was awful confused by that to. The world upside down. Ali, what youre witnessing in realtime that was a fight between the pragmatic Institution Party and the much larger trump meant. Thats a healthy fight. We cannot accept jim jordan. We need a congress that can function, that can govern, and he cant help us in that regard, and that was a useful fight. Now, obviously with the world on fire, this is not a good time to have a fight. But, thats where we are. Joanne, you had a webcast History Matters with the National Council for education, that aired yesterday. You tweeted about, it friends as politics yes, Friends Voting against jordan seems as a continuous sum of done for years. No whats happening now is different. And it matters. Tell me what you mean by that. Well there are two things, i want to make two points i want to make about that. Number one, is that when ive been talking to people about these threats against members of congress, what i heard back, very often, is well yeah, thats what they do. Thats what you would expect. So first of all, think about the degree of normalization that that suggests the response isnt, this is bad, this is, well yeah, of course. I dont think people realize the degree to which that is an alarming response. But more than that, i think its one thing, and a horrible thing, to be threatening people who work at polling places, or members of school boards, who are other ways that people are on the right threatening people either to get them to step down and cooperate, what were seeing now is those kinds of threats, that kind of violence, interwoven with the process of government. We have people trying to influence members of congress to install e speaker that they like. That to me, is a difference that needs to be realized. What you see is people trying to use violence to get what they want in congress, in a semi coordinated way. That is alarming. Thats violence being interwoven with our political process in a dangerous way, and i have to say, thank goodness, some people stood up and said, ive been threatened. So the people know that its happening. Unless its exposed, it will keep going. Charlie, do you think thats a line thats been crossed and the people that youve talked to any Republican Party, i mean weve heard from ken buck, weve heard from don bacon, a regular guest on the show, a real friend of ours. Its very sad to know that his wife is being threatened. Weve heard from mariannette millermeeks, republican representative from iowa about the threats that shes had. Weve heard from mick rodney, when the Impeachment Bill was on, that republican senator was gonna vote in favor of impeachment, think of your children thinking your family, think of your safety. Is this an actual red line . Yes it is a red line. The three members you mentioned, are all very thoughtful policy or into people, who are serious. These arent god flies. These arent people who run crying about every little thing. They are serious people. If they say they are being threatened, im really concerned about that. It really must, it must end. I think there is another problem here, that we should acknowledge. That those who are pushing back against the bacons of the world, are people who dont like to accept outcomes. So for example, on the speaker election, defeated jim jordan undermined him immediately. He could not get the majority of votes. They want to jim jordan. While they almost got him. Same thing on ukraine front. The house of representative wants to fund the ukraine effort, but the small factions of i didnt like the election of the president election, to try to be certified. See the pattern here . Some of these people do not accept outcomes. Legitimate outcomes. So vote on the floor for ukraine to settle the matter. Thats how it should work. Or, i just want you i want to add to what youre saying. Accepting outcomes is democracy. Democracy is contests with outcomes. People who are not accepting outcomes are not accepting democracy. Again, as you just said, is a red line. Were gonna put that put in there because thats amazing. Not accepting outcomes is democracy. Appreciate you both, thank you for being there always for us. Charlie dent and john freeman professor of history in american studies. Thanks for being here, thanks for being here for the country, because we need horses like yours right now. All right coming up, the world is watching israels border to the north with lebanon. The involvement with hezbollah would were on the ground and lebanon next. Plus a discussion that i encourage all of you to sit down and watch. How do we, as a News Organization ensure that the information we present to you is accurate . The head of nbc social Newsgathering Team is gonna walk us through the process of vetting Information Images during wartime. Rmation images during wartime during wartime baby grand piano. Youre replacing me . Customize and save with liberty bibberty. He doesnt even have a mustache. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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Just yesterday, israel announced that it would be evacuating about 20,000 civilians from the northern border city of kiryat shmona, signaling their preparedness if things were to escalate further with hezbollah. Joining me now from lebanons matt bradley, who has deep experience both with hamas and hezbollah, and has spoken to its leaders in the past. Matt lets talk about this, israel is bolstering its Lou Northern Border with hezbollah, what are they expecting, and whats likely to happen . Actually its so concerning to the israelis that even the Minister Of Defense he visited the northern border and spoke to troops just today, and made clear that the israelis would be responding to any attack launched by hezbollah. But this is been really interesting, and really interesting for us to watch here, because weve actually been hearing and seeing, especially today, and you can almost hear, either of you can hear it, bombardments coming from way in the distance. These really borders behind me. Weve been seeing contrails of what looks like fighter jets off to my left here, and so this is really heating up, weve been seeing an increased tempo of a kind of choreography between the israelis and hezbollah, another militant groups here, but so far, everybody is following their steps, nobody has been breaking out, even though the deaths of increased, and weve seen more than a dozen hezbollah fighters have been killed since all of this happened two weeks ago, but both sides have been steep sticking with the informal Rules Of Engagement that govern this border. Even though were seeing more more deaths, more and more fighting, we havent seen it break out into a full on war, and thats what something everybody in this region has been so anxious about. But it wouldnt just be a fight here, between hezbollah, and other militant groups, and israelis. It would probably follow more like a region wide war, because remember, the United States navy has not won, but two Carrier Strike groups. Thats Something Like maybe a dozen ships parked right off my left shoulder, here in the mediterranean. Expressly there, according to u. S. Officials, to try to deter any expansion of this war into other fronts, which means they could become engaged in this war if hezbollah or other iranbacked groups decide to weigh in. Weve been seeing this elsewhere in the region. Weve been seeing iranbacked grooves, this is the suspicion, firing on the iraqi airport, and u. S. Troops in iraq, so were already seeing some sort of Expansion Engagement with u. S. Troops. I spoke with an imam here in south lebanon, about the threat that hezbollah poses, and the internationalization of this conflict. Heres what he told me. That, im sorry for, some reason we dont have that. Tell us what he told you. He said, essentially, that it was hezbollah alone, and he gave credit to hezbollah, that is kept the israelis from moving into the gaza strip, in this much anticipated Land Invasion that weve been hearing about the last two weeks. He says that hezbollah has basically put it out as a deterrent here, and that the israelis know that if hezbollah were to enter the war in a fullthroated way, that it would be quote, armageddon, for the israelis. And he did imply that there could be a region wide war, though hes this term, the coalition of resistance. This is something of a loosely aligned group of nations, and militant groups, like hezbollah, or hamas, that are either at the bidding of iran, they get a lot of their largest from iran, or their allied with iran, were seeing that from Charles Lawson from syria, militant groups in iraq and yemen, and here in southern lebanon, to other entities that are not just opposed to israel, but also opposed to sunni states like saudi arabia. This is something that could see a future through the middle east, along different axes, different alliances, and that could rupture a huge hole in this, all springing out from the finding that were seeing between gaza and israel. Watch the space, it could become a major front in the war. I just hope people take the time to understand all of what youre talking about, print now, because this is not some abstraction on the other side of the world. This is a very serious matter. Matt, thank you very much. Matt bradley for us, in lebanon. The violence between israel and hamas has spurred mainly valid questions, right after the break were gonna try to answer when the most important. Whats the way forward . This is velshi, on msnbc. Is is velshi, on msnbc eeker. The soul searcher. And ahoy its the explorer each helping to protect their money with chase. Woah, a lost card isnt keeping this Thrill Seeker down. Lost her card, not the vibe. The soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. Hey oh yeah, the explorer shes looking to dive deeper. All while chase looks out for her. Because these friends have chase. Alerts that help check. Tools that help protect. One bank that puts you in control. Chase. Make more of whats yours. [car tires screeching] whenever heartburn strikes. Get fast relief with tums. Its time to love food back. Also available tums sleep support. The oslo accord, a series of agreements brokered between 1993 and 1999, were a Turning Point in Israeli Palestinian conflict. They marked the last direct Peace Negotiations between israel and the palestinians. The primary goal of oslo was to pave the way to the formal establishments of palestine, a palestinian state along israel. The agreements led to the creation of the Palestinian Authority, largely formed out of what was then known as the plo, that palestinian liberation organization. The p. A. Was designed to serve as an interim governing body until a final resolution of the Israeli Palestinian government could be achieved, but what followed was more violence and a number of israeli effectively solidifying the Israeli Military and civilian presence, and acting as de facto control of territory that was intended for a future palestinian state. The reality on the ground made the feasibility of a twostate solution increasingly remote, leading to the breakdown of talks, in 2014. The israeli settlements, central to the palestinian complaint, are deemed illegal under International Law. But that finding is not accepted by the israeli government. And the u. S. Government rarely presses israel on that issue. International law says you cannot displace residents of territory you occupied for military reasons, nor can you settle your own citizens on that land. As hopes for a Palestinian Statehood diminish, the Palestinian Authority itself lost some credibility amongst its people, and became widely perceived as an instrument of the israeli government, in its control over the lives of the occupied palestinian plot hulen. In a march poll, 63 of palestinians said that they viewed the p. A. As a burden, according to the Palestinian Center for policy and survey research. Amid this growing power vacuum, and largely encouraged by the israeli government, hamas, an offshoot of egypts muslim brotherhood, has emerged as a attorney tip to the piano. Israel propped up hamas as a Counter Weight to the secular plo, and the subsequent Palestinian Authority, a group that does recognize israels right to exist, and does believe in a two state solution. Israeli political and analyst al schneidees tthe times of israel quote, the idea was to prevent the Palestinian Authority president , or anyone else on the Palestinian Authority west bank government, from advancing towards the advancement of a palestinian state. In the years that followed, palestinians in the occupied west bank found themselves living in a state of political uncertainty, with daily life heavily regulated by israeli checkpoints, by military personnel, and the growth of illegal israeli settlements. Conditions which Human Rights Organizations argue, and that i argue, amount to apartheid. Very similar to the apartheid that my great grandparents, my grandparents, my father, and my sister grew up under in south africa. Some critics have long argued that the negotiations were fundamentally flawed from the outset, and that the p. A. Was set up to fail. Aaron david miller, a seasoned former state Department Official went on record in 2005 saying the United States did not act n impartial mediator, quote, for far too long Many American officials involved in arab israeli peacemaking, myself included, have acted as israels attorney, catering and coordinating with the israelis, at the expense of successful Peace Negotiations, and quote. Recently, mueller looked to the future, and outlined the potential solutions involving multiple stake hope, not limited to the United States, his approach includes the United Nations overseeing transnational lectures for palestinian leadership, a process that has been a neglected for over a decade solidify their power. Additionally, he suspected that saudi arabia should offer significant Financial Support for reconstruction efforts, while also urging the European Union to take on a more active role in advocating for palestinians. This is deeply complex. I want to welcome hush rowley to the show, shes a former official spokesperson for the palestinian delegation to the mid east peace process. She was the first female palestine liberation organization. She has received numerous awards for work, including the gandhi award, this in the peace prize, and the defender of democracy award. Henan, it is good to see you again, we speak far too infrequently, and we only speak when things are very bad. But i need you for this conversation, and my audience needs you to understand how to go forward on this, lets just talk about whether there is a road forward right now, i presented some of what Aaron David Miller said, i know you know him well, and youve been at tables with him. Tell me about this idea, or whether you have an Alternative Idea that results in peace, and realization for israelis and palestinians . Before we start, we have to ensure that all the comments are in place. How can you talk about peace or that when you have a whole nation of captivity, when you have israel bombing and shelling and killing and carpet bombing gaza, and committing genocide, war crimes. You need to stop this, immediately. You need to stop further deterioration on the ground, and you need to be able to open gaza, lift the siege, that the people live and breathe, at least give them room to leave their dad, to move those trapped under the rubble, to be able to eat and drink and see some sunshine. That has to be done immediately. And then we have to deal with all the requirements of genuine peace. You cannot have peace between occupied and occupier. You cannot have peace between one oppressor, a powerful party, and the oppressed, we have no rights whatsoever. Its not just that its uncomfortable, we used to live in a state of captivity ourselves. Israel controls a, land crossing points, airspace, controls our lives, and is busy getting out incursions and attacks on totally sealed off towns and cities, and villages, so this is just a prison with a siege, and a fragmentation, so you, need to do is remove these things in order to be able to prepare the table, if you will, or to have a vision of peace. In order to have peace, we need to have the peace broker, and the u. S. Certainly cannot be, and has not been. Right now it is seen not just as a partner, but as someone who is funding this massive, the massacres against people of gaza. It has lost all credibility in the eyes of the palestinian people, the arab people, the muslims, and all people of conscience in the world. Biden is seen as the agent of this israeli extremist fascist government, hes going around trying to deliver the arab leaders to israel. So how do you expect the u. S. , in any way, shape, or form to be part of any peace efforts, that has given israel full support, it has given it a free hand, and it has given an enormous amount of money and weapons and everything in needed, in order to continue destroying and killing palestinians. Its incredible. And then you need to be able to once you do that, you need to be able to understand that without accountability for israel, protection for palestine, without adhering to International Law and International Humanitarian law, you cannot have peace. There are all sorts of requirements. You can say oh, we want the regimes to do this, or do that, but you will discredit them even further, because you have seen the gap between the people who are protesting them, demonstrating, supporting palestine, even in the u. S. , in europe, theyre being beaten up and in prison for defending palestine, or for advocating for palestine. So you need to be able to understand that the arab regimes cannot be made again to go against the will of the people. Theyve already lost enough credibility. And the same thing with the palestinian leadership. Yes, we need elections. But who stop the elections . Its not just its not just mahmoud abbas, who canceled, or postponed elections. The americans didnt want to elections. They want their own people. This is an important point. Lets get to that. You talked about the various parties who can be at the table, and what legitimacy they do and dont have. Lets talk about who represents the palestinians. Hamas was elected, at one point. There are very few people who were involved in that election who are even in gaza at this point, it was 2006, there hasnt been an election since then. There was an effort to prop up hamas by the israeli government, to cost the plo, to undermine the Palestinian Authority, and that has worked because the Palestinian Authority now enjoys reduce support among palestinians. What does the palestinian side of the equation look like, in terms of fair representation, once we get past all this, and there is possibly a table to say that, who represents the palestinians. It rattles the, table i i dont know, i agree with you, i dont think its in the making. Let me say, anybody who represents the palestinians have to win the power of representation through election. And they have to have reinstated elections, you cannot have elections tainted by israeli occupation. When i one point i was taken out of my car, i was beaten up, i was detained, they took away all my leaflets, and pamphlets, and materials, and they had me at the check to point for the whole day, but we still insisted elections, so to us elections become on our part of who wants to maintain the rift between west bank and gaza, between the plo factions, and hamas on the other. Hamas ran for elections. Moss accepted the two state solution. But at the same time, hamas was labeled as a terrorist, and theyre still labeling that as he and that in, even worse, and they didnt have an extra election in case hamas one. Again its very hypocritical to say yes, we want democracy, but you have to elect the people we, chose the people we like. The reason im aspect him stronger is because the plo agenda saying, it, the plo committed itself to a peaceful settlement, criminal itself to long violent resistance. Even without israel recognizing our right to self determination. That was all part of a very flawed peace process, which led us to where we are now. , if you want peace have to be consistent, you have to understand the palestinians have equal rights, that we have better acknowledged to our own self determination, which is something israel rejected, refused, all the time. They say it openly. No negotiations. So where is the ability to have negotiations, when all they want to do is have a free hand to continue with, to continue with the disaster that continued in 1947, 48, continue to 67, continued through several assaults on gaza, and now theyre trying to see the final chapter of by expelling the palestinians who are taking part of the land, or the whole land, or either you accept defeat, or you die. And the thing is, palestinians arent ready to accept defeat, or to die, they will resist, and they want to stay on the land, and we want our own sovereignty, our own independents, own freedom, our own right to self determination, so lets see if people who want peace treat us equally. Not dehumanization, and demonization, and erasure, this is how israel was created. Through the dispossession of the palestinians, expulsions of palestinians, a series of massacres, and now its being repeated, that same mentality, that brought about this horrific situation, prevails. Is someone going to intervene to stop it, or is the west going to pursue their postcolonial sandal where colonialism, and give israel a free hand, as well as for your support to continue with this policy and this mindset, that is what is needed. We thank you for your time as always. Official spokesperson for the palestinian delegation to the middle east peace process. Still to come, a conversation about what were doing to fight the fog of war, a member of nbcs no social news Gathering Team walks through the process of vetting the news and information that we report, including a combination of modern tech and oldfashioned reporting, and its much more complicated than you might think. Ou might think. [zombie grunt] [dog bark] [woman screams] [children screaming] happy halloween. Aww, happy halloween. By hamas. [inaudible] after they released where they would reunited. Were so glad your home. Im glad youre out. Thank you so very much. A gnat, how are you. We just wanted to thank you. Look, thats been long im just delighted weve been working on a long time. And were gonna get more, out god willing. I hope youre both not only feeling good, putting good health as well. Yes sir, yes we are. God bless you. God bless you guys. While she continues, after a quick break. Quick break. The term, the fog of war, is used to describe the very specific kind of chaos and uncertainty experienced by those involved in battle. The fog of war is frequently invoked to explain wartime decisions that appear after the fact to be mistakes, or disproportionate responses. The fog of war, the risk, the uncertainty at the moment, can cloud the judgment of soldiers, and jed generals, and heads of state. War is brutal and tragic, and horrific to behold. Always. No matter the belligerents. Few events are more difficult to cover as a journalist, then more. Because the stakes are literally life and death, and there are real people, and their families, and their full lives, for whom those stakes are personal. So its crucial for you to get an accurate flow of information from us, the press. An accurate confirms set of facts that bear true witness to what is actually happening. With each passing year, with each conflict, every war the breaks out, it actually gets harder to verify the information, making its way to you. The ubiquity of social media feeds this whats easier, theyll was in the past, to get images and videos and information out into the video world. And the fog of war, can make a story or an image or video go viral, before anyone other than the creator of that image in knows whether its an accurate depiction of what it purports to be. That is why we in the news may conveyed news after you, have already received a text, or seen something on your phone. Fighting that fog of war is our job. So weve decided to pull back the curtain for you, this weekend, to show you a little bit of what that process looks like. Working alongside my colleagues from nbc news standards and practices, and social news Gathering Teams, were gonna show you how, with a combination of tech tools, and oldfashioned reporting, we are able to analyze the very same viral videos and images that are showing up on your social media speeds, and determine whether they are what they claim to be. When we come back, ill be joined by eric carvin, hes the head of our social Newsgathering Team, the group that does the crucial and complicated work to show you what it looks like, and how it is done. Each planning their future through the chase mobile app. Jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j. P. Morgan wealth plan. Lets go whiskers. Jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. You only turn 30 once. And jen z . Her credits golden. Hello new apartment. Three jens getting ahead with chase. Solutions that grow with you. One bank for now. For later. For life. Chase. Make more of whats yours. 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Well first, we want to set up some monitoring, and see whatever one saying, whats being reported, whats being shared from around the story, on official, and unofficial sources. That might be telegram accounts, facebook, twitter, other places like that. We need to make sure we are well aligned with the rest of the network, we know what everyone is chasing, we know what the important elements of the story are, and clues where things might be going next, and then were taking request from everywhere, and trying to verify the photos and videos that will help Power Storytelling across the network. And literally, for instance, someone like me will get on or slack channel and say, hey ive seen this image, can someone tried to verify it . So lets get a little more specific. Tell us about an example of a video, or niche, that was circulating on social media, that your team investigated, and determined was not what it purported to be. What were looking at here, this is from an associate reporter on my team, found this video of paragliders, and at the time, this is early right after the attack, there were a lot of reports about hamas having paraglided in. And so thats an interesting finding video like this. So we found this one, and what we want to do is we want to geolocating this. So what we, we looked at this building, that you can see in this particular video, to figure out, is this something that is anywhere near this location. And we found that it wasnt. So, if you look at the front of the building, youll see it says Military Academy. And see where is there a Military Academy that would have arabic riding on the front. There were some talk on front than it might be someone egypt, probably because there is a flag that looks like an egyptian flag, and brian went online, started looking on google, and found the Military Academy in cairo, and it was a Perfect Match for the image. So thats video you are able to debunk, for indicate was real video, it wasnt invented video, is from somewhere else, and ill give us an example of an an immature team was able to verify, that you determined was in fact without purported to be, and that was subsequently aired by us. I just want to warn our viewers, this is graphic. Yeah, it is. So these are images that we have seen reported online, might have to do with the explosion that happened at the hospital in gaza, the horrible explosion. So were trying to figure out where could this be, one challenge we have, is usually used tools like Google Street View to see what things look like at ground level, you dont have that in gaza. None of those images are available. All we have is a Satellite Image from above, and trying to verify something from the side by looking at it from above, is very difficult. So i try doing that, completely failed when, on to Something Else i stumbled on this video that was on the Youtube Channel of the american friends of the best couple diocese of jerusalem, which has i was watching to get my lay of the land around the hospital, but then i saw them walking down, you see this corridor here, this alleyway. And i recognized, i was thinking, this is the same corridor that was in that photo i looked at an hour ago. And so i stopped it, i froze it, and i tried to match them up. When were geolocating in, were trying to find markers in these visuals the match from one to the other, to show that were looking at the same thing, at the same place. And youll see, we literally put these rectangles around to be able to build our case, and youll see on the right here, this window here with these three vertical lines, a little different angle, but you can see theres an angle there, three vertical lines, the door on the left has some matching elements, and same thing with this little fenced area, which matches with this, a different part of the video i wanted to find this globe shaped light, because that would really narrow it down for me, and i couldnt find it, until i really zoomed in, and realized there it is right there, its just that its been smashed, probably, in the explosion. But you can see remnants of it, you can see the support structure. So we knew it was a match, and we are able to use this. Eric, our deep gratitude to you and the social Newsgathering Team at nbc, because this is a hard process, but you guys have the tools, and the ability to do it. Were grateful for you telling us a little bit about how this work. Eric carvin is the director of nbc news Social News Gathering. That does it for me. I want to thank you for tching today. Catch me tomorrow 10 am to noon eastern. Velshi is available as a podcast, if you missed anything on the show, you can check it out later today for free, wherever you get your podcasts. Stay right where you are. Ight where you are a very good day to all of you, from msnbc World Headquarters welcome everyone to alex witt reports. We begin with the breaking news, exactly two weeks now, after the hamas attack on israel, so here is the latest. 28 trucks were allowed to cros