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Chris jansing reports starts right now. Good day, i am Chris Jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. You have been following this step by step. Deja vu all over again on the house floor. A new vote for speaker once again ending in a deadlock as jim jordan comes up short. In fact, he actually lost ground when compared to the first round. 22 republicans opposing jordan this time compared to 20 yesterday. Two members, doug lamalfa and Victoria Sparts flipped and supported him. Four others went in the other direction, securing the defeat not just for congressman jordan but arguably for the far right as a whole. Now what . Joining us nbcs ali vitali on capitol hill, and steve kornacki, brendan buck an aid to former republican speakers paul ryan and john boehner whos an msnbc political analyst, and david drucker, Senior Writer at the dispatch. Okay, al what now . What are the conversations . What happens . Reporter once again, back to the drawing board, chris, and were waiting to see what happens next. Initially our understanding was that jordan knew he was going to lose votes on this balloting round, thats exactly what happened, even jordan allies were forecasting that. Now just in the last few minutes apparently he has left the chamber. People are of course asking him the obvious question, which is what do you do next . Do you drop out . Do you stay in . Initially our understanding was that jordan was willing to go through this for several balloting rounds. That very well may still be the case. As hes been dealing with all day and frankly over the last 24 hours, theres this new cross current from people who are just so fed up with the fact that they keep hitting the same brick wall over and over again when they try to elect somebody, anybody to be the new speaker that there might be a new push to empower the existing speaker, the speaker pro tem por ray in this case to actually be able to run the business of the house. Now, there are some people who interpret the speaker pro tempore role as one able to do those things. Its a pretty untested position in this modern era. Mchenrys interpretation is that he doesnt have the power to run things on the floor, to do Something Like move an aid package to israel, which of course is something of great urgency for many of these members in bipartisan fashion. And so what were likely to see here is at least one congressman try to move his resolution to empower mchenry. Ive spoken to democrats and republicans alike who say that they could get behind that as an idea, especially now that theyve seen jordan lose on this second ballot. Theres an open question of what the order will look like to get to that. Republicans might go back into what member called to me another Festivus Meeting where they go back Behind Closed Doors and air grievances, but nothing gets figured out. That could be something thats happened and thats something our sources are priming us for. Were sort of at a shrugy emoji, Question Mark, no one knows whats coming next. Well wait for them to gavel this vote. For those of them who actually watch the floor, nothings over until its fully gavelled. We are waiting for next steps here, chris. Brendan, you were on the hill for a long time, shrugy emoji is a wellknown technical phrase that they use in washington, d. C. But what a mess. I mean, when you look at what is at stake here, when you look at whats happening in israel, when you look at whats happening in ukraine, and when you consider we are now less than a month from not being able to fund the government, what do you see here . I think thats why the momentum is going to shift to this mchenry solution. Its not an easy solution is it a solution . It is a solution as much as one exists. Steve scalise couldnt get the votes. Jim jordan cant get the votes. I dont think theres anybody who can get the votes. Theres so many hurt feelings right now. Everybodys taking things out on their enemies within the conference, theres just no time for the wounds to heal to come to a resolution for any longterm solution. Well have to get a speaker at some point, but to your point, theres too much stuff to get done, so theyre going to have to go to mchenry. This gets ugly quick. If you allow me to geek out, theres two ways you can do this. One, as ali was talking about, the house can pass a resolution empowering Patrick Mchenry saying you now have the authority to bring up bills. That may not work. There are going to be a lot of republicans that say thats like voting for him for speaker. I dont want to do that. Democrats would have to come along. Theres been some things they want in exchange for that. It may be an inability for the house to even do that. The other option is mchenry can just start trying to move bills. This is untested, an unprecedented area. The parliamentarians dont believe he has that authority. The rules of the house are effectively whatever a majority of the body says they are. So mchenry could move to recognize someone to say bring up a less legal conclusion resolution condemning hamas. The parliamentarian can say thats out of order. The house could then vote, are we going to allow this resolution to come up. If the house says thats okay by us, at that Point Mchenry basically has authority to start doing things. Theres a number of ways this could go out. Weve never been in this situation before, so its all somewhat untested, but i think some kind of mchenry solution, whether the house votes to empower him or he takes it by himself is where we have to go. If he takes it by himself and lets say there is a resolution involving funding for israel, is that empowerment then only for that one thing . I think they could challenge each and every time something comes up. Thats where that bipartisan Governing Coalition is going to have to come together. Its not going to necessarily be Power Sharing where mchenry gives Hakeem Jeffries things. I think mchenry is the type of person who might be able to engender that kind of trust. Hakeem jeffries said he trusts him a bit. If you want to bring up funding for israel, if you want to bring up funding for ukraine, this may be the only way to do it. Im going to need democrats to help bring it up. All right, ali, youve been there, youve talked to a lot of folks. Weigh in, what would this look like for mchenry . Reporter well, look, in terms of getting through that vote, it would look a little different to go through a Resolution Vote that would empower him than it is to go through what weve seen now for two rounds around jim jordan and what were so accustomed to. A speakers vote looks different. We count to 217 in this instance, we watch each member alphabetically get taken down the list and they voice who theyre voting for. Thats what weve seen. Thats not necessarily what it would look like to vote on a resolution that would empower the speaker pro tempore. Its a simple majority likely done by electronic ballot, and its also something if we look at the resolutions as theyve been drafted at this point and ive seen two of them democrats are going to want some time to read and review them. Thats not them saying, oh, no, were not going to get behind this. In fact, in my conversations with Leader Jeffries, its clear hes more open to this now than ive heard him at any point over the last three weeks, but they do want to make sure they have time to review this. I think what we might end up seeing is something akin to what democrats did when they were trying to stall and just get a better sense of what was in the package that avoided the Government Shutdown a few weeks ago. We watched Leader Jeffries use something called the magic minute on the floor, which effectively means he can talk for as long as he wants, he can buy his lawmaker time to see whats in this bill. That could be a method they employ here to make sure they can get their ducks in a row. I dont think its outside the realm of possibility that at least some moderate democrats who ive been talking to could come to the table and say, ye, this seems right, even for a temporary period of time. One of the dates that i think has been thrown around for how long you would temporarily empower the speaker pro tempore for is until november 17th, which also happens to be the day that right now the government would shut down without congressional intervention. So certainly everyone is looking at the same dates and plot points on the calendar. Its just a question of what they do to get to them, and it may end up being that mchenry is the person i do think, this is going to be slow walked a little bit, and were not going to see them launch into whats next. Just so that we can get a sense of what they say happens next, but thats what it would look like if they did move and when they do move to actually consider a resolution that would empower mchenry. Its going to look a little different and its going to get them to maybe a different result or maybe theyll keep going around in circles. I want to go back to that, but steve, let me come to you. Lets get a lay of the land, lay out, break down the votes as they stood today for us, and what it tells us. The bottom line is we came into today looking at the 20 republicans who yesterday in the first ballot had voted against jim jordan. Was he going to show any progress in terms of flipping them and then the other question was are there going to be new republican who is had supported jordan yesterday who decided on this second ballot, i gave him one shot. Im moving away. What you see here first, these are all the republicans who were noes yesterday, and pretty much they stayed no. They stayed against him. They voted for a range of other candidates but they did not vote for jim jordan. You got to get pretty far down the list for Doug La Malfa from california. The other success that jordan had was Victoria Spartz from indiana whos been all over the place from january with all those rounds with mccarthy. She ended up flipping to jordan. 18 of the 20 who voted against him yesterday stayed against him today, and then four republicans who had voted for jordan yesterday flipped against him kind of an interesting list here, Veteran Buchanan from florida, Drew Ferguson from georgia, Marionette Miller Meeks from iowa. She had the closest congressional race in the country two cycles ago and Pete Stauberg from duluth, minnesota, he voted for Bruce Westerman, one of his colleagues from arkansas. Those are the four new ones. Those folks who maybe perked up at this possibility of a compromise involving extended powers for mchenry was their way of sort of moving in that direction expressing on interest of moving in that direction. Did they have other reasons as well. The bottom line is there were 20 who were against jim jordan on the first ballot, now there are 22 who are against him. They come from a range of places and a range of political motivations. I think thats the other interesting thing here, when you think back to Kevin Mccarthy and his long struggle to get the speakers gavel back in january, you generally were talking about cooped of a hard line group of very conservative members that he was trying to win over with various concessions, but the list here is a lot more diverse politically. Youve got folks from genuinely blue districts here like don bacon from nebraska, Anthony Desposito from new york, Laurie Chavez dreamer from oregon. Thats a district that voted for biden by nine points. Despositos voted for bidens by 14 points. It may simply be in their political interest in terms of surviving in the next election to align themselves against jordan. It might bolster their credentials with moderates with voters in districts that are pretty blue. You have plenty of folks from the list. Ken buck from colorado seems as dug in as anybody else. You had kay granger from texas chair the appropriations committee, safely republican district. She continues to be dug in on this as well. John rutherford from florida, simpson from idaho, womack from arkansas, and the bottom line here, you know, it took 15 rounds that mccarthy wore folks down, made concessions, and he just squeaked through getting six to vote present. If there are five on this list, if you can spot five who arent going to vote for jim jordan, then the math is never going to be there for him. After two days of this and looking at these motivations, its easy to see a lot more than five who might fall into that category. That brings us to david drucker, what our great and good friend here, brendan, says may be their only alternative right now, which is to consider the mchenry possibility. Said no to scalise. They said no to jordan in a big way. They said no to mccarthy. Is there an advantage to democrats to helping this along . Can they then say, look, we were the grownups in the room while the republicans were wallowing in their hurt feelings, while they were fighting internally, we decided to do something that was going to move things forward. Could you see this happening . Well, look, my sources tell me that its something that a lot of House Republicans and people that work with them are considering, and theyre trying to figure out how this would work, how long would they want to empower mchenry to essentially act as the speaker of the house. Would they want it just for, you know, a matter of weeks . Would they want it for a few months . Would they want it to work longer . Would it be a task, an acknowledgment that theyd rather have mchenry get Government Funding across the finish line in the form of legislation that a lot of them are not going to want to vote for, and it kind of washes their hands of things while avoiding a Government Shutdown. It takes care of crucial military aid to not just israel but ukraine and taiwan. The president has talked about putting Border Security money in a combined aid package like that. But i think that this is something republicans are going to have to come to on their own. The minute you Start Talking about working with House Democrats on a compromise solution, even if its somebody like Patrick Mchenry with Impeccable Conservative credentials who has always stuck with the party, this becomes a very big Messaging Problem back home for a lot of republicans. In other words, they can say that the disagreement im having is just which republican should lead us. But i am steadfast in supporting a republican to leave the house. The minute the minute conservative opponents of these republicans and others can come after you for working with democrats to dilute republican power, even though theyre doing it for themselves, then this becomes much more complicated. All right, there you saw mchenry with the gavel. The house will come to order. The tellers agree in their tallies that the total number of votes cast is 433 of which the honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received 199. The honorable Hakeem Jeffries of the state of new york has received 212. [ cheers and applause ] the honorable Kevin Mccarthy of the state of california has received five. The honorable Byron Donalds of the state of florida has received one. The honorable tom emmer of the state of minnesota has received one. Lee zeldin of the state of new york has received three. Steve scalise of the state of louisiana has received seven. The honorable mike garcia of the state of california has received one. Candace miller of the state of michigan has received one. John boehner of the state of ohio has received one. [ cheers and applause ] the honorable kay granger of the state of texas has received one, the honorable Bruce Westerman of the state of arkansas has received one. No person having received a majority, the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. Pursuant to clause 12a of rule 1, the chair declares the house in Recess Subject to the call of the chair. And so those numbers are now official, exactly what we knew probably close to an hour ago when they passed that golden number, there is not a speaker right now. Jim jordan does not have the votes. John boehner, your old boss i was trying to imagine him sitting at home watching this and getting a chuckle. Is. Big chuckle. Something tells me he may not even be watching. Probably not. Let me ask you what this tells us. Does tell us something about the power of the far right . Obviously they had the power to oust mccarthy, they did not have the power to install jordan or is this something completely different . Theyve always had power to stop things, and theyve been very good of stopping things. Now theyre getting a little bit of their own medicine. Now the centrists are saying were going to stop your guy. This was a decision by a lot of people that they are not going to reward bad behavior. Jim jordan lost the election in the conference for speaker, and what ended up happening is his folks, as they always do, ended up hijacking the plans of the conference. Theyd hijack Steve Scalises speakership and took him out. They can turn around and say now were going to give this to you, i think people saw that as a bring too far for a lot of people. To your conversation with david, if mchenry becomes empowered in some way as speaker, it is a very tenuous situation for him. There is not a Governing Coalition within the republican party, and you can only imagine that if they bring up something for ukraine, there are people going to be wanting to take his head off in that conference. The interesting wrinkle here, and this is an unresolved question, we dont know if you can move to vacate a speaker pro tem in this situation. There may not be actually a mechanism to vacate what Patrick Mchenry, position he may have. He may in some ways have a little more breathing room. That is something that the parliamentarians have ever had to rule on either. Either way, its going to be really unpopular in that conference every time he has to work with democrats to bring a bill to the floor. Isnt the bottom line nobody can please that conference. I mean, it is exactly what were saying. My issue with all of these folks for a long time is their issue is not necessarily with a speaker, its not with john boehner, its not with paul ryan, Kevin Mccarthy, its with the realities of governing. When youre in the majority, there are certain things you have to do, and there are certain things you cant have. Theyre always wanted the speaker to turn their wishes into reality whether or not theyre realistic or not. They dont invest the time to become legislators themselves, they want the speaker to make it happen for them. When the thing is so farfetched cant become reality they get upset, and the cycle goes on and on. Eventually youre going to have to realize and say you cant have everything you want. And the centrists said were not going to let these people get charged. Jim jordan has not gotten a bill passed while he has served in congress these many years. What now . Do they go into the basement . Do they hash out what the next step is . Do we know what next step is . Tell us. Reporter look, we see the Blue Screen Of Death as we so affectionately call it here. The house is in Recess Subject to the call of the chair. That basically means a full slate of Question Marks, and weve got some members inside this building talking about how the house needs in their words divine intervention. I guess what i would say is brendan, feel free to come on back with us, if your old boss is getting votes. Come back on. The water is warm here, its a little bit wild, but wed love to have you. I do think in terms of what actually happens next, though, is the Open Questiononce again. We dont know if jordan is going to go another round. We dont know if theres a desire for him to go another round or hell drop out. Ive seen from some allies of Kevin Mccarthy, specifically david value day owe, a congressman in a swingy district in California Tweeting in the last few minutes, we dont have more time to waste, which is why i support Empowering Speaker pro tempore mchenry so we can reopen the house and work to find consensus. Thats another moment where youre now seeing some people who are steadfast mccarthy allies saying they think its time to move past a jordan moment. Well look for mccarthy on this to the extent that he still has sway over this conference. Well see what that sway looks like, but i do think that this is a moment for members who are feeling frustrated, who are feeling like theyre continuing to run into a brick wall to pivot to the only other option out there, as brendan has detailed, which is trying to empower the speaker pro tempore, and i do think its a good question, can you vacate that person . How do you get them out of that job if theres consensus within the conference . I mean, it brings a lot more questions, but at least it would allow this house to function, and i do think that more than any feeling right now, im hearing a lot of feelings in my Text Messages from members, there is a feeling they want to get this place working again. Consensus within the conference has proved elusive. I thought we were friends, ali. You have a huge Building Full of people to interview. I have one brendan sitting here, and youre trying to take him away. Well talk about that another day. Reporter im sorry. Ali vitalis great reporting continues, steve kornacki, bren dakota bun, and david drucker, thank you to all of you. The other big Breaking News is next, President Biden on his way back to the u. S. Right now after that whirlwind trip to israel. What was he able to accomplish . Plus, the growing protests after an explosion at a Gaza Hospital kills hundreds. Were back in 60 seconds. Choosing a treatment for your chronic migraine 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more can be overwhelming. So, ask your doctor about botox®. Botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. Its the 1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. So far, more than 5 million botox® treatments have been given to over Eight Hundred And Fifty Thousand chronic migraine patients. Effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. 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Embassy today after the militant Group Hezbollah calls for a day of unprecedented anger toward israel. Crowds also gathering in iran where people were burning the israeli flag. And in the west bank where more fires were set, protesters were also throwing rocks. During a visit to israel, President Biden said the intelligence made him confident israel was not behind the attack. Two senior u. S. Officials telling nbc news that an independent assessment found it actually was Palestinian Islamic jihad rocket that misfired and hit the hospital. What has never been in dispute is the gravity of the tragedy that unfolded at that hospital on tuesday. The Palestinian Health Ministry Says 471 people were killed, many of them children. A surgeon there said you could, quote, see bodies all over the courtyard and amputated parts of bodies all over the courtyard. Another eyewitness described it as a scene from the day of a resurrection. I want to bring in nbc Foreign Correspondent Josh Lederman who is in tel aviv following all of this for us. Josh, just so many images coming in of protests all around the globe, talk to me about what were seeing. Reporter chris, the arab street right now is on fire. It has been a long time since we have seen this many cities simultaneously having protests around the arab world. Over in lebanon, the u. S. Government has urged americans simply not to travel there. They are saying it is a dangerous situation as those protests erupt in beirut, and in fact, the u. S. Embassy has said that today there were violent protesters who actually caused damage to private property there, although they say that there was no damage to the embassy itself and that all of the american diplomats are safe, but over in the west bank, were seeing something interesting, which is that a lot of the anger there is actually being directed toward the palestinian authority, which despite being an agency, an organization that is perceived as being an extension of israel, almost a proxy for israels government, and so a lot of anger towards the p. A. And president Mahmoud Abbas that were seeing from those protests where people are throwing rocks in the west bank. And then over in turkey where Prime Minister president erdogan has called on all of humanity to take action against what he calls israeli aggression, we have heard from the embassy there saying that americas consulate is now closed indefinitely. The embassy there is warning that for the coming weeks, they are expecting large, potentially violent protests in turkey and urging americans and others who are there to stay away from crowded areas, stay away from protests for their own safety. One of the challenges here, chris, is that so many of these nations came out so quickly to accuse israel of being behind this strike, really within a couple of hours of that explosion yesterday. Including the socalled grownups in the room, if you will, of the arab world. Egypt, jordan, countries that have long had peace with israel that now, even as conflicting accounts are coming out, the Israeli Government insisting they were not behind it, the u. S. Now firmly backing up israels version of events, its going to be very difficult, if not impossible for those arab nations to walk that back, even if they wanted to because the public there is now so enraged and this has kind of taken on a life of its own, and so we are continuing to see the Biden Administration trying to tamp down those tensions, trying to prevent this from spiraling. So far we have not seen any indication in any of these middle Eastern Countries that they are believing the israeli version of events. Instead we are seeing those governments double down on their accusation against israel that it was an Israeli Military strike that caused all those fatalities at that hospital in the gaza strip. Very difficult to put the genie back in the bottle, no matter what the United States says, no matter what israel says, this is a very volatile situation clearly. Thank you so much for that, josh. I want to go to raf sanchez who is live. What do we know about whats happening . What are we seeing around that hospital right now . Reporter well, chris, its been interesting. Things were actually relatively quiet for the seven hours or so that President Biden was on the ground here. We didnt hear a lot of israeli air strikes inside gaza. We didnt see a lot of palestinian rockets coming out of gaza. Air force one has left. The president is on his way back to washington, and the fighting has resumed. We dont know if there was any kind of understanding. You may actually be able to see that looks like the iron dome in action behind me, which is a sign of that rocket fire resuming again. There were rockets over tel aviv, which i can tell you was a real concern for israeli and u. S. Officials, when Secretary Blinken was here earlier in the week, the sirens were going off. He was twice forced to run to the bomb shelter, one time with netanyahu. There was a lot of concern that the president s visit could be disrupted by rockets. Its not so much that there was ever a real, real danger that one of these rockets could physically injure the president but if it sounds the alarm over tel aviv you have no choice as a responsible public official but to head to the bomb shelters. Fighting does appear to have resumed intensively. We have 24 hours on from the explosion at the hospital in gaza city. The fog of war lifting somewhat. The Israeli Military over the course of the day has been presenting what it said was evidence that this explosion was caused by an errant palestinian rocket. Two main pieces of evidence, one drone video from an israeli drone over the hospital that israel says shows that there is no crater outside the hospital. You would expect to see a crater if it was an israeli bomb, one of these massive ordinance dropped from a fighter jet. Israel is saying it has intercepted communications between two hamas officials where they acknowledge between themselves that it was a palestinian rocket. We should be really, really clear, nbc news has not been able to independently verify either of those claims and there is still a very big Question Mark over how a single palestinian rocket could cause such a significant death toll. These rockets are deadly. They are dangerous. They do not typically kill hundreds of people. One possibility here is that there was some sort of secondary explosion, maybe this rocket triggered some kind of either a gas canister or potentially, you know, hamas explosive or weapons depot. Those are questions that remain unanswered. As you were saying earlier, the United States is now saying it assesses that it was not an israeli air strike. Raf sanchez, thank you for that. Im joined by nbc senior White House Correspondent Gabe Gutierrez for the late latest on the president s trip. It was in the end seven, seven and a half hours. How how much can get done. What does the white house feel it accomplished . Reporter it is a very tall order. The president on the ground in israel for a little more than seven hours. In terms deliverables, we heard earlier today from a spokesperson for the israeli Prime Minister saying that because of President Bidens demands that israel has agreed to allow a humanitarian aid to flow from egypt into gaza, though its unclear when that will begin, but this trip, chris, comes just hours, of course, as it is part of it unraveled yesterday. 24 hours ago, we thought that President Biden was not only supposed to go to israel but also to jordan to meet with leaders from the arab world, egypt, jordan, the palestinian authority. That all unraveled when news of that Hospital Blast came out yesterday. So the president heading back to the u. S. Right now, and there are a lot of questions about the future of this conflict and the president also announcing that 100 million in humanitarian aid will go from the u. S. To the palestinians in gaza and the west bank, and according to two sources familiar with the discussions, we understand that the Biden Administration in the coming days plans to send a supplemental funding request to Congress Asking for more money for not just israel but also ukraine, taiwan, and u. S. Border security, but todays trip, chris, was focused on showing solidarity with israel. The president also met with top israeli officials as well as First Responders and families of the victims and hostages. Heres some of his message earlier today. Take a listen. Nations of conscience like the United States and israel are not measured solely by the example of their power, and were measured by the power of our example. Thats why as hard as it is, we must keep pursuing peace. Must keep pursuing a past so that israel and the Palestinian People can both live safely in security and dignity and in peace. For me, that means a twostate solution. A key portion of those remarks, chris, was also the president not just giving support to israel, of course, which he did, but also bringing up the mistakes as he called them after 9 11 that the u. S. Made and warning israel that while you feel rage, do not be consumed by it. Certainly it appears to be the president asking israel to tamp things down a bit amid these humanitarian concerns, amid these protests that have erupted across the arab world. Gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. I want to bring in the Senior Adviser with the sister for strategic and International Studies International Security program. It is good to have you here. I wonder at this point what you think, will any proof be too little too late to change the narrative in the region where hezbollah declared a day of anger over what happened at the Gaza Hospital and brought out thousands of people in protest . Well, we certainly need some objective analysis of what happened given the evidence we have so far, the israeli version seems to be the most likely, but as weve heard from other correspondents, the hamas got out so quickly and so many other states supported them, its going to be very hard to walk back, even if this story is shown to be untrue. Lets talk about the backdrop for the president as he is asking for these things including to try to tamp down some of the heated rhetoric and protests that weve seen. American lives are at stake on air force one, nsc Spokesman John Kirby said there are currently 31 americans who have been killed. The number unaccounted for is 13 right now, we dont know how many of those are hostages. Earlier this morning i talked to a woman now living near tel aviv but shes from virginia, who has five Family Members being held. Heres what she told me. We have met with the Secretary Of State blinken. We have spoken on zoom with President Biden. We have met with Senator Schumer and his delegation. We are speaking to the State Department and the fbi, and we are working with the red cross. We are doing Everything Possible from bureaucratic level. We as a family are just going to push until we have them home. Theres no eating or sleeping or stopping. Thats the Modus Operandi right now, we just keep pushing. With americans being held, how does that impact the calculation by the president . It makes it very difficult for the president because our hearts go out to the families who have loved ones who were either killed or being held hostage. Theyre willing to pay a very, very high price. On the other hand, the price is often paid by other people. Historically whats happened is that israel has swapped prisoners for others who have been captured, israelis who have been captured. That may well be what happens here, but that case wed be swapping maybe 200, 250 hostages for thousands and thousands of Palestinian Terrorist who is will go on to kill a lot more people. Its a tough tradeoff to make. Colonel, thank you for coming on the program. We appreciate it. Up next, a critical hearing on capitol hill for the next u. S. Ambassador to israel. It just wrapped up. The urgency to have an ambassador in place when american hostages are being held. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Snbc a prime target for cyberattacks. But the same aipowered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. Heres why you should switch from chrome to duckduckgo. Duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. Unlike chrome, the Duckduckgo Browser has privacy builtin. It comes with a private alternative to google search, which doesn■t spy on your searches, and it blocks cookies and creepy ads. 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How are we supposed to see all of that and then somehow confirm you to this very important post when youve deliberately, in my view, misled me, misled senator kirk, misled the congress on what was happening behind the scenes. Senator, i dont think the facts are exactly the way you describe them. There are people in this body, mr. Lew, who theyre not going to let you out of the penalty box over that. Also on the hill today, three separate classified briefings for members of the house and senate tasked with voting on fundgor israel. Nbc news reports that th white house plans to include funding for ukraine, taiwan, and the border in its israel request, a number which is expected to total around 100 billion. I want to bring in nbcs Julie Tsirkin on capitol hill, and dan de luce who covers National Security and global affairs. So julie, tell us a little bit more about that Confirmation Hearing and the importance that a lot of democrats for sure see of having an ambassador there when americans are being held hostage. Yeah, and chris, thats exactly the question that i asked Senator Cardin who is the chairman of the Foreign Relations committee after the hearing wrapped, after about two and a half hours. Heres what he told me and well talk about it more on the other side. So if we say we have a Special Relationship with israel and they say, well, you dont have a confirmed ambassador, it doesnt look like its a Special Relationship. It does impact the ability of the United States to carry out its policies. We need a confirmed ambassador and israel expects a confirmed ambassador. Reporter and i asked cardin if he had any specific conversations with his republican colleagues. You heard them in that clip share their concerns over that iran deal. He said that he has a good partner on the republican side and Ranking Member rich, he hopes that republican members on the committee wont stand in the way of a Swift Confirmation for jack lew next week. When it comes to the supplemental, some interesting timing updates. I was told by several sources that we could potentially see that supplemental requests, including all of those items you laid out, taiwan, israel, ukraine need Border Security money come as soon as today. Previously we were tracking the end of this week, that also could still happen. Timing is fluid. I was also told by these sources that ukraine aid is actually expected to take up a bulk of that 100 billion, of course, as you note that administrations prior request on ukraine was 24 billion. That was only supposed to cover three months. This supplemental request is going to go for a full year, chris. So dan, lets talk about those three classified briefings that are being held as more military american, American Military personnel and equipment head to the mediterranean. What is the most likely message to congress in these briefings . I think the first message, chris, will be that there are no plans at the moment for u. S. Troops to be entering into some kind of combat situation. But theyll also say that the whole purpose of a major show of force right now with two Aircraft Carriers headed to the eastern mediterranean, an Amphibious Force of thousands of marines as well is to try to deter iran, to send a very blunt message for iran not to try to exploit the situation through its proxies in lebanon, for example. I think the other thing theyre going to have to talk about with lawmakers is the assistance for israel and ukraine in that package. There are plans to provide more ammunition to israel as they need it for their air defense, iron dome system, and i think theyll be urging lawmakers to approve this package because ukraine is also dependent on u. S. Military assistance for its war against russia. Dan de luce, Julie Tsirkin, thank you both so much. Up next, how do israelis view a visit from the u. S. President and how much has the Gaza Explosion ratcheted up tensions. Ill talk to an israeli journalist on what hes hearing there. And then in our next hour, the agonizing wait for information about missing loved ones. Ill talk to one israeli man whose Family Members were abducted by hamas. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. They switched to google tools for education because theres never been a reported Ransomware Attack on a chromebook. Now theyre focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. as americans, theres one thing we can all agree on. 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I know you told the National Review you feel President Biden has been an extraordinary leader in this moment, but you also said you dont think the president needed to visit today. Do you feel any differently now that youve actually seen what has happened in these six, seven and a half hours that he spent on the ground in israel . The feeling among every israeli is extraordinary. Its been an extraordinary visit. Visit. He came in and really took israels side, that was extraordinary. When i said he didnt need to visit, im asking diagnostically. Is he here for more reasons than showing solidarity, which hed already done magnificently and extraordinarily for israelis. I dont mean he didnt need to visit in the sense im criticizing him. I think there was more to this visit than solidarity. Its hard to imagine that the only put it this way, israelis woke up, from that massacre. Not disastrous conflict, and they thought that hamas was a manageable, containable problem, a disaster for the palestinians. Possibly because they are quite ambitious. There is such a thing as a bear hug from america, america wanting to be in that war room. In order to limit. International reaction and even those who dont blame israel for whats happening, they seem they see doctors talking in gaza city about performing surgeries on the floor, workers say its not just people who are going hungry. People are at the risk of starvation right now. Where is the lane . Is there a lane that doesnt involve what the president tried to differentiate, the difference between civilians and terrorists . The americanled coalition decided that Islamic State had to be rooted out of muscle of iraq, it besieged, it didnt let anything in and anything out, and it went in uing local forces, not american forces, but it went into just grim and awful and horrible fighting that lasted a very long time in an urban environment. There is no way to do this fighting gently. The humanitarian humanitarian sn gaza is quite bad. Hamas, by the way, makes it much worse than it needs to be. Hospitals that run out of electricity because they dont have generators and fuel, well, all of hamass bunkers and tunnels have months worth of generators and fuel. Hamas is intentionally tried to keep people from fleeing the war zone after israel published maps of the war zone of where its going to attack, and so the simple answer, im not in the war room. I dont know what israel plans. I know one thing we all know. I came from a funeral an hour ago for a father who we just buried, a grandfather. He still has a daughter, and three grandchildren. And a daughterinlaw, who are hostages in gaza, the youngest of the grandchildren is 3 years old, the israeli people give their government infinite credit to do what needs to be done, infinite time, hamas cannot survive this thing. And the only question israelis are asking, the world has moved on to other conversations, that makes perfect sense. We have not. And the only question that needs to be asked is how much cost is hamas going to exact from gaza for the israelis doing what the israelis have to do. Hamas cannot survive this thing and no government on earth would allow that group that did that to survive this thing haviv gur from the times of israel, much of the world mourns with you for the losses that you have seen so up close and personally. Thank you, we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. 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