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The 150 hostages will be brutal and painful. One former Law Enforcement official saying, dont expect a john wayne ending. Our next hour starts right now. Arts right now hi everybody. If you are just joining us, welcome. If you are sticking with us, thank you for that. Im Yasmin Vossoughian coming to you from msnbc world headquarters. It is two pm in the east, nine pm in gaza. New this hour, the idf warning of an integrated coordinated attack on gaza from air, sea, inland. The u. S. State department advise a Non Emergency Government Officials to leave israel. Hamas claiming 22 hostages have been killed an israeli strike national during the next phase of israels war hamas will no longer rule gaza. The search for survivors continues along the gaza strip following another night of israeli strikes even as palestinians evacuated from Northern Gaza to the south. Long lines formed outside a bakeries that remained open in gaza today at the United Nations warned of a worsening humanitarian crisis with dwindling food, fuel, in zero water. Meanwhile, israel is amassing tanks in Border Cities attacked by hamas, as well as the northern border with lebanon. According to nbc News Reporters on the ground for us there. Its really officials are restating the mission of a looming offensive in gaza. We have boots on the ground to try to seek out terrorists and find the people who are still missing. People who were objected. Those who have not been accounted for since the terrible attack, the massacre, of last saturday. We have the air force operating and artillery operating against hamas in their position. Theyre coming in control. Their leadership. In paris the louvre and Versailles Museum are empty at this hour following a stabbing at Northern France yesterday that authorities described as terrorism. We have reporters in place around the world for us from israel and lebanon, covering all of the days developments. We want to start with nbcs Ellison Barber on the ground for us in israel at the israel gaza border. Alison, if you, will take us there and tell us what you are seeing this hour. Yasmin, in the last ten minutes we saw a series of rockets launched, this time, from the israeli side towards the direction of gaza. We have seen a heavy Military Presence in this area. We are about as far as you can possibly go at this point. It is just checkpoint after checkpoint after checkpoint. No one is able to get through because israels military is in a position, a posture right now, to move forward with the next phase of this. They have said clearly that they will be escalating. That they plan to take this fight, directly, to hamas in every way. They say that is on the ground, by air, and by sea. We have already seen increasingly missiles flying through the air back and forth. Yesterday, on the border with gaza, the skyline in the city remember, there is no power there. It was dark. Except for the flashes, the glow, of orange from where the city was being bombarded by israeli or to the re, mortars, missiles, things of that nature. There was that Evacuation Notice that is you gave to about 1. 1 Million People who live in the northern part of gaza. Telling them that they had 24 hours to evacuate him move south. That ended at midnight, local time, last night. Today there was about a sixhour period where israel promised would be safe for gazans in the area to try to travel down to major roadways until four pm today to evacuate. Hamas with time people to stay put. The u. N. Was saying that having everyone evacuate, this order that have been dropped by israel, it would create a humanitarian crisis. Remember, there is nowhere for most people to go. Traveling within gaza right now is incredibly difficult. The one Border Crossing that they could, potentially, he used to leave if they wanted to is not open. That is the Rafah Crossing Going into key to. That has been fully close since tuesday. According to egypts foreign minister, that crossing was struck, nearby, by israeli missiles. Right now it is really a question of when will Israeli Forces launch their Ground Assault into the gaza strip . From everything we know, every conversation we have had with israeli spokespeople, everything they are saying, everything we have seen in the past 2 to 3 days in this area, in terms of tanks, military quitman, moving towards the gaza border, they have Everything Position for that. Now, it is just a matter of timing. They have called up over 300,000 reservists. The vast majority of those, according to a spokesperson with the idf, have been sent to the gaza border. Some up towards the north to deal with a possible threat of hezbollah. You know what . They are pointing, are we seeing something, guys . Yasmin, i will send it back to you . Alison barber yasmin, if you stay with us for a second. Yasmin, stay with us. It sounds like we have some stuff overhead we might be able to show you. You hear the sirens going off . It moved in the direction past this tree. This is what happens. Again, we are seeing this in waves every few minutes. The alarm sound on the israeli side, things will start firing in the direction of gaza. You can hear, in gaza, this constant la la booms. It almost sounds like thunder. We just heard a little bit there, im not sure if you can hear it on the microphones. It is the law of artillery, gaza just being pounded. Idf says they plan to focus the assault on gaza city. They say that is where hamas operates out of. The question, what happens to the civilians there . They do not really have anywhere to go, even if they wanted to . A lot of them do not want to go, they are afraid if they leave it will be what happened in 1978. What the palestinians refer to have the nakba. If you would, stay safe. We appreciate. It we want to go to nbcs foreign correspondent, matt bradley, standing by for us in lebanon. Lebanon, there are fears of this second front along the israeli lebanese border there. It is a primary concern given hezbollahs military experience. What we have been hearing from hezbollah over this time. I want to show some pictures of israeli troops amassing along the israel lebanon border, as well. Where do things stand, matt, at this hour . We just got some Breaking News. Two lebanese civilians have been killed at the shebaa farm area, an area disputed between israel and lebanon. It sits at the intersection between lebanon, israel, and the Israeli Occupied golan heights, which is part of syria. That is a major development. It is part of a titfortat that weve been seeing over the past week. We have heard that there are, at, least three or four hezbollah fighters who were killed. At least three Israeli Soldiers who have been killed in this exchange. We were there at the border yesterday. We saw some of this firing of lebanese shooting rockets. And one point we actually saw the israelis actually intercepting them. This is casting a pall over the whole of the region. Whether or not hezbollah will actually involve themselves. On that friday of rage, yesterday, we were out at a mosque where there were players. Hezbollah was out with their flags. Palestinian flags. A lot of bellicose language. A lot of threats. A lot of people saying, we are ready for war. It is unclear if the rest of the country has the same appetite. This is a country that has now endured four years of economic crisis, a depressed currency, power blackouts. You might even see what im standing here. This is regular event here. This is a country that, really, is reluctant to get back into a war even if hezbollah has been beating their chest. Where that decision is going to be made is a very big question. It could be made and iran. That is the main benefactor for hezbollah, as well as for hamas. We are seeing to know the sponsorship coming from tehran. Excuse me, the Iranian Foreign minister is now making the rounds. He is in beirut, today he was in damascus the capital of syria. Apparently going back to beirut. This week he met with the head of hezbollah. We are seeing this decision being made in realtime. A lot of this is going to depend on what we see from the israelis and whether or not they move into brutally take over the gaza strip. From what i understand, from what people who know the group, hezbollah have been positioning itself as a deterrent to the Israeli Military to keep them from really destroying hamas in the gaza strip. They might not be able to do that. This is a group, while it is more powerful than hamas because of its stature, its Experience Fighting in syria for the better part of the last ten years, it is not clear whether they will actually be able to put it that much of a fight against an Israeli Military that has now been bolstered by more than 300,000 reservists. This is a place to watch, yasmin. Matt bradley for us. Thank, you matt. Appreciated. We want to bring in retired four star general, Mccaffrey Talking with us more about this. A couple of things going on here, general. I want to talk more about this. We were hearing the statement from the idf. Ready to go, essentially, is what the same in the. Said obviously, im paraphrasing. Air, land, and see. Weve seen this buildup over the past week with tksined up alongthe israeli gaza rd. Not necessarily unexpected but ndering if the statement was released giving us a clue as to the timing. We also know that leaflets were dropped, statements have been ma. Clues have been given to gazans to go uth, especially gaza city, in preparation for what will be this Ground Incursion. Obviously we are seeing rocket fire into gaza as we just heard from our own alison barber on the ground there. On the israeli gaza border. Talk to us about what youre thinking right now about some of the things that just laid out. The bottom line is the idf has to go in and try to destroy hamas in gaza. 30,000 fighters. Maybe. They are meshed into the civilian population by strategy and by purpose they are trying to stop the civilians from evacuating out of the areas of high intensity combat. Hamas is an ongoing war crime. Not just the slaughter of hundreds of israelis, but the the way they are putting at risk their own palestinian population. Idf has to flood the zone. They have 50 200,000 troops. They will try to dominate the ground. They will look for hostages and they will try to exterminate hamas. The hostages are unlikely to have a very positive outcome. They are gonna have to find them underground, ton around, intelligence, offering rewards. Well see. And they will go. Israel could not exist as the state if hamas is granted impunity inside the gaza strip. That is it. The other thing, i think, is a major consideration for both the u. S. And israel is trying to not expand the war. Hezbollah is on the verge of going in, at a minimum, with rocket attacks. A couple things i want to talk through. Lets talk about the hostages first. We know that there is a Seal Team Six arm of the cia here in the United States. It is called the grfs. Wondering what the calculations are for the Israeli Military, for his sod. Why they wouldnt send their own, i know they have one, their own Elite Strikeforce in two, possibly, try to rescue some of these hostages before they start this Ground Invasion . With that be impossible considering the landscape of gaza . Right now there is no way the israelis, nor the United States, has a clue to where those 150 hostages maybe. They are underground, they are dispersed. They wont be talking about the Liquor Creation on anything with electronic intercept capability. The israelis have to get boots on the ground and then use human resources, tunnel rats, hostage situations, where more, is to try to find where they might be and then attempt to rescue them. Special ops really Cannot Go Into Gaza successfully and search for and find these hostages. It is just not possible. Right now what are we waiting for . A very high intensity combat intervention by the israelis using infantry and armor forces. They will try to discriminate carefully enough trying to kill civilians. What is going to be a messy, bloody, fight for both the civilian population and the idf. The intelligence they have, what they know, hamas is operating at a gaza city who is to say that hamas does not go south, as they have urged gazans to go south . Why would they remain in gaza city as Sitting Ducks awaiting the Ground Incursion from israelis . What we keep them there . I think some of them, the Senior Leaders of hamas, maney are outside of the country anyway. Living in luxury. Many have may well join the civilian population. By and large are thinking moss is there to fly. They will fight to the death. The idea of Main Objective will not really be, in my, view finding the hostages. They will try that but their primary purpose is to destroy hamas and the Senior Leadership the structure, the arms depot, that is going to keep them in gaza, in my view, for 2 to 3 months to try to wrangle these people out from underground. Meanwhile, in the north, hezbollah with 100,000 fighters and over 100,000 missiles, in my judgment, they will enter the war at the worst possible moment for the idea. Worst possi so, what im heau sir, and correct me if im wrong, do you feel as if the idf, essentially, is making the calculation it is more important to capture, kill hamas, then it is to rescue these hostages and the hostages may very well lose their lives amidst this . Well, of course, their purpose will be to protect human lives. A hostages, as well as palestinians and civilians, but i think the bottom line is, the political and military objective of israel, must be, at this point, to try and exterminate the hamas leadership and infrastructure. Without which, they cant continue to live as a free people. They essentially have a strategic surprise. Hamas has achieved a tactical victory in population, and with thats impressionable will not be so, there is a idf intervention will be crushing visible thank you, sir, as always. All right, might next, kiss everyone once. We are back in just 60 seconds. Ust 60 seconds and youre just the person to keep it running because a proud homeowner has a protective instinct and frankly, the brains to know the grid is gonna let you down sometimes. Thats why when the rest of the block is Lighting Candles and looking for flashlights, youre ready to rock and roll. Its not just a generator. Its a power move. Request a free quote today. This is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. But the same aipowered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. Welcome back. Were following this Breaking News out of the white house today. U. S. Officials depriving late warning resite israel to show restraint when her tally against hamas. Nbcs allie raffa is at the house for us. Ali, talk to us. What more can you tell us about kind of any conversation that israel has had with that United States between the Prime Minister and the president . And any indication, in fact, they will comply with this request . Hey, yasmin. We know of several conversations that happened privately between Top Biden Administration officials, and their israeli counterparts. But sources familiar with these conversations are telling us that while these Top Administration officials vowed to continue supporting israel, reaffirm their belief that israel has a right and continues to have a right to defend itself, they also offered some words of caution. And issued some advice of restraint to these israeli officials, saying they urged israel to follow the International Rules of war, urging them to avoid any unnecessary deaths of Palestinian Civilians. We saw some of this trickle down even publicly, when Secretary Of Defense lloyd austin was in tel aviv counterpart yesterday, where he told reporters, quote, Terrorists Targets of aliens but democracies dont. He added this, is a time for resolve and not revenge. That was a message Secretary Of State Antony Blinken echoed when he was visiting saudi arabia earlier today. Listen here. It is vitally important, that we always look after four civilians. We are working together to do exactly that. In particular, working on establishing safe areas in gaza. Working on establishing corridors of humanitarian assistance, who can reach people who need it. Officials are stressing bexar nuts telling israel how to conduct its military operations. They are also stressing that the u. S. Has not asked israel to hold off or pause this counteroffensive, this attack on gaza, because of their ongoing efforts to secure the rescue of hostages in got a. We obviously cant confirm whether the actions weve seen over the last 24 hours by israel or during that Evacuation Order from Northern Gaza, waiting over 24 hours before making these moves that we are seeing now, whether that is a result of these athletes and these are just by u. S. Officials, but, sources familiar tell us israel and these israeli officials were communicative and they did technology those requests, but as emotions run high, yasmin, only time will tell whether the respect for those requests and those urges remain, yasmin. Allie raffa for us, thank you. Appreciate it. I want to bring in the editor and chief of the Jerusalem Post to talk more about whats happening on the ground in israel. Of, thank you for joining us on this. I want to get your analysis, your reaction, to what we just heard from our White House Correspondent on the ground here in washington, d. C. , this conversation, the continued conversations weve been hearing the president having with the Prime Minister, and whether or not there is confidence thats he will, his unity government will now practice restraint . In this war with a mosque . Hey, yasmin. Its Saturday Night here in israel. Today was shot, but you a state of arrest. The same day on which this horrific massacre took place last week, and its a day where families come together and friends bond and we have large meals and we go to synagogue services. Thats what i did today. I did it last night as well for friday night shot dinner. And you, know we are all trying to put on some version of a happy face, if not for ourselves, at, least for the children. I have to tell you, i was around a lot of children yesterday, and a lot of children today. I cant be around children without starting to tear up. When i think about the horrors that were visited upon israeli, jewish children, last week, slaughtered in their beds, burned to the, i honestly have had trouble making it through the day. So, israel is exercising tremendous, tremendous restraint. Of course, asking civilians to vacate areas that are inhabited by hamas, that are used by Hamas In Civilian Territories as a way of using Palestinian Civilians as human shields, of course, there is ask those civilians to vacate order to enable it to engage militarily and destroy hamas infrastructure and take that its leadership. But i have to tell you, israelis are pressing their government to do whatever they can, whatever they, must do you respond to this threat, of course, to bring those hostages home and deal hamas a blow it will never forget. Is there anybody that you know, avi, thats not been affected by what is taking place in israel in the last of days . There is literally nobody i know vast not been affected in some white. Not a single home that prepared either lost a member of a family or thousands know someone, a neighbor, a friend, a colleague who has lost someone. Either someone who has been confirmed dead or who has gone missing and is kidnapped in gaza. This is a country in a tremendous state of trauma and a state of mourning. You have to understand by way of proportion, if you take israels population into account, this is the equivalent of 12 September 11th Attacks in a single day. It is September 11th and sandy hook and columbine and the pulse nightclub and pearl harbor and all the horrific attacks that america has ever gone through all compounded in one. That is what israel has gone through, and this is the state israel is in that the moment. So, its a state in a tremendous state of devastation, and, at the same time, one that is determined to move forward and rebuild after this horrific, horrific trauma. I want to pick up of that in the moment, but i also want to read a post you put out. Regarding the death toll being so high, and what is actually happening when it comes to people who are mourning. Those are the poems that have been lost. Cemeteries have to post electronic signs to direct mourners to the right funeral. You attended a funeral, i know, avi, this, week for a 23 year old soldier. Talk to me more about that. So, the soldier in question was actually the cousin of a friend of mine. He was an immigrant from france. He was at kibbutz beeri, one of the communities in israel, south park by these territories. He held fire for eight hours. He was able to maintain this position for eight hours. He saved an untold number of lives. He took a how many lives we he saved, but it is quite a lot, before he was unfortunately killed in battle. The funeral, which took place at mount hurtful Military Cemetery, the main Military Cemetery in jerusalem, was attended by hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people who didnt know him. I was one of him. I didnt know this young man, but who wanted to come and pay tribute to his sacrifice. And i can tell you in the same section of the cemetery in which he was laid to rest, there were three other fresh graves of other young people who were killed in last weeks horrific attack. This is, again, a country that has been devastated, 1300 people, that is an unfathomable number for our country of only 10 Million People. And thousands missing, thousands wounded, and of course, between 100 and 200 who have been kidnapped by hamas, it is a country in a tremendous state of trauma, but one, again, determined to move forward in a positive way and, of course, in life. So, you say rebuild, move forward, move on. I think it is a feeling that many of us had, obviously, after 9 11. And wanting to unite with one another to move on, to learn from our mistakes, so far and so forth, to figure out how to go forward and after our lives changed so dramatically, especially for those of us here in new york city. How do you go on . How do you move forward . How do you rebuild when you are facing what looks like to be a war with no end in sight, with no off ramp in sight . We just got the statement from the idf. We are ready. We are prepared. We are at the border. We are waiting by air, by land, by sea. I know gazans are fleeing to the southeast i have been warned by the Israeli Government to prepare for a Ground Incursion. How do you move forward with no, it seems, off ramp insight . You know, israel hasnt third successive wars of annihilation, meant to wipe it off the map. Countless acts of terror that have killed thousands and thousands of innocent lives. And yet, its a country that simply wants life and simply wants peace. I was a first grader in this country. My family immigrated to israel from the United States just before i entered the first great, and the first were you learn in school is shalom, and that means peace. Thats a mark on my education in this country. To educate all our children to want peace, to what, life to seek a better future. And that is all we can really hope for at this point. Yes, we are devastated. Yes, we will talk more, yes, it will take us a very long time to rebuild, but we will rebuild, because we have no other choice. There is no other place for us to go. This is a sovereign to a stay. Its the only place where we can keep ourselves safe, and thats what we will do. We have no other choice. Avi mayor, thank you, appreciate it. Thank you for having me. How is really see Benjamin Netanyahu after all the events that unfolded this past week. This conversation is coming up next. Next aidyl hi, im aidyl, and i lost 90 pounds on golo. I struggled with weight loss and weight gain my entire life. With all the yoyo dieting i did in the past, i would lose 20, 30, 50 pounds just to gain them over and over again. Thanks to golo, ive been able to steadily go down the sizes in my closet and keep the weight off. For the first time in forever, i feel in control. announcer change your life at golo. Com. Thats golo. Com. Hey, everybody. Breaking news. Live pictures of gaza, where we spotted some israeli airstrikes this hour. Its coming as its yearly Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, visited troops on the frontline and warmth that the next siege is coming. My next guest says Regimen Netanyahu is losing the war at home, adding incompetence against hamas and a difference to israeli suffering has the public boiling over. Were known a Turnip Hole Ski Choice you from israel. Thank you for joining us on this. We appreciate. It i first want to, you were tweeting about a protest that was happening in tel aviv earlier today. Tell us more about what you saw and what was happening there. The protest started with one man this morning, who sat down on a picnic chair in front of the Defense Ministry and said he was going on a hunger strike, and he wasnt going to budge until his family came back. This is a man called michai burdette. His wife and his three children were kidnapped by Hamas Terrorists in the village where they lived. We if im not mistaken, a week ago. He has yet to hear a single word from any government representative. And his case represents a lot of people, unfortunately, in this country right now. So, word that he was there got out quickly, and very quickly, he was surrounded by hundreds, then around 1000, supporters and many, many, many other Family Members in an equal sense of english. At one kind of ugly moments during the day, they were insulted and almost kind of attacked by supporters of the Prime Minister, who were saying very ugly things to them. Thought, yeah. The main message is that i mean, netanyahu hasnt yet met any member of the public in these eight days before. He has completely detached himself. The images that youre showing now show him, as you can tell in a not quite real flat jacket, meaning a very small group of soldiers and a very managed moment, and this is the very first time anyone has seen him outside of his office in eight days. And no member of the public was there. The mayors of israels south are enraged. Many, from his own party, they werent invited and they werent told the Prime Minister was coming to visit. It was a very staged event. Very controlled. Israelis are feeling that they have a kind of amazingly disappearing Prime Minister. Why do you think he hasnt met with anybody yet . What do you think is going on there . Im a political reporter, and not a psychologist. I am not the right person. [laughter] i have to tell you, i have observed netanyahu for pretty much my entire career, and he is a guy who has, you know, a lot of controversy around him. This is astounding, in my opinion, even for him its such a vacuum of leadership. Today, netanyahus National Security adviser, maccabee, became the First Official of the Israeli Government. Remember, we are eight days into this war. He became the First Official of the israeli, that netanyahu administration, to take questions from journalists. You got some pretty rough questions, but he is not a minister. He is not elected. He is, you know, an advisor to the Prime Minister. One of the questions he was asked was, is the Prime Minister going to stand up and take responsibility . Is the Prime Minister going to apologize to the people for this unimaginable failure to protect National Security . And he didnt really answer those questions. He took a certain measure of responsibility himself. Ive been thinking a lot about this, and you, know weve been covering, obviously, the internal strife that was happening in israel before all of this because of the judicial reforms that netanyahu was trying to put into place, without so many israelis were happen unhappy already with his leadership. Kind of the domestic strife that was happening there. And when you hear about netanyahu saying, essentially, they are going to eradicate hamas from gaza and that wont stop until they do, you dont know what the off ramp will be, but when there is an off ramp, should even include, morning if israelis feel this, shouldnt even include the Prime Minister . Can israel be safe and move forward politically with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in place, considering his history and what he has allowed to happen . You are asking one of the all important questions confronting israelis right now, and that is why having 1000 people in central tel aviv meeting on a saturday screaming, resign, is a significant thing. Especially, you have to remember, we dont yet know how many dead there are. We dont yet know have a real number of the hostages today, the National Security adviser said yeah, between monitor 50 and 200. The government and netanyahu, personally, who likes to call himself israels minister of security, have been caught on the back foot. It is not only a humiliation for him and for them, but it is the greatest civilian tragedy in the history of israel. Its one of the worst Terror Attacks ever recorded anywhere. , so i, would say we are still starting here to process all of this. I know that netanyahu has this reputation of being a political magician and always bouncing back, but i cant see how hes going to survive this. Israeli history teaches us the Prime Ministers in israel who failed to protect the country, that countrys security, have not survive politically. How can he . Also, i think the big question is also, should he, considering where israelis and palestinians are at. If they want to continue to survive living across the street from one another, noga tarnopolsky. Thank you so much, noga, i want you back. I can hear your family in the background, they also want you back. I appreciate hearing your voice today. Thank you. Thank you. Coming up next, everybody, were going to focus on the hostages held by hamas. What they might be going through from someone who was a hostage himself at one time. Well be right back. Be right back. [narrator] Power Outages are unpredictable, inconvenient, and disruptive to your life. Posing a real threat to your comfort and safety. When the power goes out, you have no lights, no refrigeration, no heating or air conditioning. Your well or sump pump wont work. 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Especially as we await this eventual, why it seems, Ground Invasion and getting the statement we did inform the idf, saying they are ready, they are willing, they are able, and prepare to invade gossip by air, by land, and by sea. If we take a listen again, the sound will come up once again. Its the sound of war. [sound of artillery] [sound of artillery] [sound of artillery] now, imagine if youre on the ground and wondering whether or not that rocket is headed straight towards your family home. That is what the israelis and palestinians are dealing with right now. Amidst this war. A very grim reality for so many. We have this new Nbc Exclusive Report revealing hamas targets in the lead up to this attack. I want to play for you part of nbcs raf sanchez report. Chilling new details on how Hamas Terrorists deliberately targeted israeli schools and Youth Centers in their hunt for hostages. Documents recovered from the bodies of hamas fighters and obtained by nbc news israeli officials show how the group drew up detailed plans to storm specific schools and pat special units to deal with the hostages. The documents contradict hamas claims that the group does not target children. They are part of an emerging picture of the scale and sophistication of the attack. Joining me now is david rohde, nbcs National Security editor, to talk about this. I know youve worked on that piece as well. Talk more about what we. Now i want to credit manufacture, a colleague of mine here in new york, who actually obtained the documents. They are stunning in terms of the amount of detail, hamas had, massive villages, abuses, with the border with gaza, and, then clear tactics with some of it was very grim. There were specific instructions about surrounding a cafeteria, where large numbers of people were gathered to in the coutts, and bluntly speaking, a school, an elementary school, and a youth center. The instructions were to take hostages, and another instruction was to kill as many people as possible. So, very grim, its amazing and unexpected detail in terms of the preparation that hamas put into this attack. I wondering how testing on information you have on this, and we can move on. U. S. Intelligence is, its really intelligence right now. Considering how this, essentially, fell through the cracks. It did. I think there was a variety of factors. Simply put, i think, u. S. Intelligence does trust is released intelligence. Its been a very close relationship for decades. The u. S. Missed 9 11. You know, this, it away, says this is israels 9 11. Its a failure of imagination. The idea that hamas could breach the border wall in 30 places that over 1000 hamas fighters could swarm into israel and reach 20 villages to reach this concert, is just stunning. And just a big strategic error, it seems, thats come out is there were a large number of israeli troops out of a move to the west bank, the records earns about clashes there, and, then sort of operations there. They just werent ready for this. Where were we on reports that netanyahu was warned by egypt that something was common . We have talked to sources in washington that has not been confirmed. But what clearly happened was an underestimation of hamas. They used drones along the border, theres a whole array of cameras, and sensors, and theres Remote Machine Guns that could be operated from a distance. These drones flew over each of these sites, they also drop them on Cell Phone Towers to limit communication. So, many of these Israeli Soldiers did not see hamas coming. Couldnt communicate with each other, and that is how their posts were overrun so quickly. One of the other reasons why we have you on, despite your wealth of knowledge, is the fact that you are a hostage at one point in afghanistan, captured by the taliban. You were held hostage by eight months until you were able to escape. You know what its like to be held hostage by a group like hamas. Having been held hostage by the taliban. Talk me through what it is you expect there its ferreting that . Especially as calculation, it seems it is being made by the Israeli Government now and the statement from the idf that its likely this incursion will begin before they are able to rescue any of these hostages, who may, in fact, become casualties. Off their own Ground Invasion. Yeah, its a horrific situation. I was able to escape with the help of an afghan journalist who was kidnapped with me. I think theyd all been divided into small groups, a positive thing, they had each other. Hopefully it, theres two or three of them together, and its an incredibly intense and very strong human body for. And i dont know whats going to happen. I mean, yes, it looks like the offensive will go and remember how difficult this is an israeli soldier years ago with captured by hamas and held for five years. Israel was not able to find him. There was a Prisoner Exchange there. I just want to say one simple thing. In my time in captivity, talking to other former captives, the person you blame is the kidnapper. Yes, theres frustration with the american government, with the Israeli Government, cant they do more to help us . But this is i am biased, but its an incredibly cowardly crime to take a civilian, as civilians family, who suffers through this as well, thinking, how can i save this person . You know, it if these hostages die, again, it is hamas that is responsible, primarily, for their death. Were thankful youre here with us and that you share your wealth of knowledge and you are part of our team. David rohde, thank. You thank you. Appreciate it. All right, a mothers anguish. After the offense unfolded one week ago today, well be right back. Back but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. For one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. One pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. sean i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. jason sean do you mean this one the one with titanium . Switch to verizon, you can trade in any iphone, and get the new iphone 15 pro on them. vo its your last chance to trade in any iphone for a new iphone 15 pro on us. Only on verizon. Theos nose was cause for alarm, so dad brought puffs plus lotion to save it from harm. Puffs has 50 more lotion and brings soothing relief. Dont get burned by winter nose. A nose in need deserves puffs indeed. Americas 1 lotion tissue. sean i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. jason sean do you mean this one the one with titanium . Switch to verizon, you can trade in any iphone, and get the new iphone 15 pro on them. vo its your last chance to trade in any iphone for a new iphone 15 pro on us. Only on verizon. Following this Breaking News, we have new reaction to the mass Hostage Crisis one week after it happened. Among the missing, hirst goldbergpolin, 23 year old, israeli american, a student who had been kidnapped by hamas after attending the music festival. I want to bring in his mother. Rachel goldberg. Well talk more about this. Rachel, thank you so much for joining us. I am so incredibly sorry for what you are experiencing right now. How are you . Thank you. Thank you for having me. You know, its funny because a lot of people keep saying how are you . And i just keep saying well, picture your mother, and picture her being told that you are either one of two things, dead or being held hostage with your arm blown off in gaza, which is currently eight were zone, and you are now a hostage. So, thats how im doing. I am doing how anyones mother would be doing if those were the two choices. If that were my sons, i dont know if i would be able to wake up in the morning. I have to be honest with you. I am not quite sure how you are doing it. Right. We feel like we are in a parallel universe, and thank god we had the most brilliant, supportive, creative, helpful team surrounding us, helping us through this time that everyone says i cant imagine it, and i keep saying, i also cant imagine it. Its me. When did you last speak to your son . So, i last saw hersh friday night, a week ago. We went to synagogue together as a family, and then, we went to Family Friends for a meal afterwards. And he then left with his Camping Backpack to go with his best friend down to this music festival. And when we heard the sirens and we knew things were going on down there, i grabbed my phone saturday morning. Normally, i dont use my phone on the jewish sabbath, but when it is an emergency situation, you have a Child Sleeping out somewhere, you know, you turn it on, and i had to text that had come in at 8 11. I had just come out of my bomb shelter here in jerusalem around 8 20, and i turned on my phone, and at 8 11, the first text said, i love you. The next text said, im sorry. And so, i immediately knew something horrible was either in the process of happening or about to happen, and you know, i tried calling him and they tried to texting him, and none of that was never answered. Have you had any confirmation from your government that he was, in fact, kidnapped . We actually did get confirmation of that. He is assumed kidnapped. We did have three eyewitnesses. He and the friend he had gone to the concert with ended up in a bomb shelter. Hamas came to the doorway of that bomb shelter and was throwing in grenades and spraying the room with machine gun fire, and obviously, a lot of people were killed and very severely wounded. There were three young men who were able to stand up. Hersh was one of them, and eyewitnesses who were pretending to be dead, three eyewitnesses have told us that his arm, from the elbow down, had been blown off. Oh my god. And that he had fashioned a tourniquet with his shirt or something that he found next to him. And they took these three young men out. Another one of the young man was shot in the leg, but was able to walk. May put them on a Pick Up Truck and they went in the direction of gaza, and the police have told us that the last known Cell Phone Signal of his was on the border of gaza, which was about six kilometers from the bomb shelter he was taken from. So, thats what we know. How do you reconcile that your son it is likely in gaza, a place in which a Ground Invasion will begin soon, by the Israeli Government, and your son may be in the way of that invasion . Right. I mean, look, hersh its obviously, as you as a mother no, is my whole, he is my universe. He is my whole life. He is the most important thing to me. I am also aware there is a much future, chaotic, horrible, devastating situation happening here. And we are one small part of that. I am aware of that. There are thousands of people right now down there from, you know, the people who are in my house right now, and right now, its almost 10 00 at night here on Saturday Night. I have 14 people in my house were going to help us, and they all have children who are they are now, trying to protect us. You know, were part of a small piece of this huge story thats unfolding, this year, Terrible Nightmare thats unfolding. And were going to see what happens, and were hoping and praying and i do have to say that the American Administration has been outstandingly supportive, helpful, transparency, here for us, for all of the american hostages that are being held. We met with Antony Blinken. We met, yesterday, with president biden. Just, weve really felt extremely supported, you know, by the americans. We cant be more grateful during the starkest, darkest hour, that anyone can think of. I have to say, i love seeing the pictures of hersh. He seems like a really happy, happy guy. That one with his green tshirt on and its arms raised, to the sky, he seems like a really good kid. Thats him. He was just in germany, and he has a bunch of france and germany also giving this a lot of press. And this green shirt is, when he was in germany with his, that creature is his german friends soccer team. In bremen, germany. They are fighting for his release as well. Because we want all the hostages released. We certainly want the ones who are critically wounded, like hersh, who could possibly be, you know, in a dire, dire situation. Weve understood from when you have a wound like that, how dangerous and lifethreatening it can be. Theres all these women and children, i mean, its total chaos, pandemonium, and beyond the imagination. And we would like for those people who are in such a precarious place, for sure, to be getting medical treatment. Rachel goldberg, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. We will be thinking about you, praying for you, and certainly, wish you and your family the best going forward. Thank you so much. Thank you, rachel. Well be right back. Right back. [city ambience sounds] [car screech] [car door slam] [camera shutter sfx] introducing neds plaque psoriasis. [camera shutter sfx] he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. Otezla is the 1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. 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