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Tired of the Drama Questioning why any of this has happened. He worked with the democrats, so what, to get things done, then he gets kicked out, and now nobody can do anything. Thats wrong, stupid. Plus, former President Donald Trump now trying to Short Circuit The Civil Fraud Trial In New York by asking a judge to put it on hold. Prosecutors pushing back hard. Were going to tell you what they said. And then one day after this horrific Missile Attack that killed dozens of ukrainian civilians, another russian attack rips through a multistory building killing a 10yearold boy and his grandmother, the boy found still wearing his spiderman pajamas. Local officials saying dozens more were hurt including an 11monthold baby. Were going to bring you the latest on that in just a couple of minutes as well. We want to start on capitol hill where we see lawmakers on the house floor just for about two and a half minutes or so today earlier, barely time enough for a prayer and the pledge of allegiance before adjourning until tuesday amidst this new uncertainty about whos going to be the next speaker. Behind the scenes the situation is very much in the air, Steve Scalise, jim jordan, theyre trying to twist just enough republican arms to get to the 217 votes they need to win this job, although neither seems particularly close just yet. That could change, though, as republicans absorb this news from last night, donald trump trying to play gop king maker by endoring jim jordan. And then this morning, Congressman Scalise spoke for the first time about why he wants the job, while simultaneously trying to down play the chaos inside his own party. Weve got to get our internal house back in order, and were going to do that. Were going to do that wednesday. Then weve got to go back and let people know the fight in the senate and in the white house, they dont want to engage in this fight, and were going to force them to. Im ready to do this job. Ive got the background to do this job, but you know, theres a lot of people struggling in this country that are counting on us. We got to go back to work for them. Lets talk more about this, want to bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin, George Steven ss a Senior Adviser for the Lincoln Project who served as chief strategist, and sam stein white house editor for politico and an msnbc contributor. Julie, start us off, if you will, where are we this hour . Reporter yeah, thats the big question. Well, we have at least two candidates who have officially entered the fold. Jim jordan, weve been talking about him all day, especially in light of that endorsement for somebody he was a big ally to and a thorn in the side of the current president which makes him appeal among hard right conservatives that much more certain. We have Steve Scalise whos also in the running for this. Both men have been working the phones. Im told that theyre meeting today with different factions of the house to try and secure the support, shore up the votes needed to hit that magic 217 number if and when they eventually get to the floor. I did Catch Up Today also with the speaker pro tem, patrick mchenry, an ally of former Speaker Mccarthy who walked off the house floor after opening the house floor very briefly. I asked him if he wants to be speaker. Heres what he told me. Do you think youll want to run for speaker . What is it like being in the job for this temporary position . Asked me once about financial reporter mchenry certainly a joker, hes the chair of the Financial Services committee. Im told thats where he wants to be. Hes only in this job because he was on that short list that mccarthy put him on to try and be the speaker pro tem just in case anything happened to mccarthy, which of course is standard policy. You saw him shake his head and let out a sigh that he does not want to be speaker. Politico reporting there are some real deep divides inside this republican conference in the house and yet you got Steve Scalise, even jim jordan saying they want to unify this party. The question is can they really. I was actually taking a listen to an interview with tim burchett earlier today, one of the eight who voted to out mccarthy from the speakership who does not when it comes to spending seem like hes going to negotiate on that. Is there any real room for negotiations inside that party right now . You said can they get over these divides, the other question is how do they get over these divides. Yeah. What kind of concessions will each side make. What will they do about the rules of the house, including the motion to vacate, which is the procedure by which Kevin Mccarthy was ousted. Will they try to make sure that the threshold for doing that gets raised . Will they make commitments around ukraine age funding and whether that can be brought to the floor. Will they make commitments around Government Funding when its set to run out in 40 days. Those are all major questions, and how will they go about doing it . Rumors of a debate hosted by fox seem to be batted down. Trump diving in last night could have an effect, although it may not. There might be moderates in the ranks who use that as a way to show their independence by voting against jordan. This is to borrow a scientific term, a mess. And its very hard to really see how it actually gets cleaned up. It could be a few weeks potentially before we have any resolution, and it could get pretty nasty, honest lirks honestly, withi the caucus. And then you have the possibility of the former president visiting capitol, were getting reports on tuesday. I want to pick up where sam left on on that in that if you have former President Donald Trump, who has been indicted now four times facing 90 plus criminal counts endorsing jim jordan, im wondering if that endorsement could actually be, as sam alluded to, a negative thing for him in this vying for speakership. Yeah, i dont think so. Donald trump is the most popular figure in the Republican Party. He dominates the party. You know, there are people that like to say that donald trump hijacked the Republican Party. A lot of us who work in the party would like to be able to say that, but the thing about that is hijackers are never popular with the passengers on the plane, and donald trump is very popular in the Republican Party, and you know, what really strikes me here is one of the key elements of the Republican Party was at least the image of being the grownups in charge. Theyre the ones that were, you know, calm, stability, no drama. And all of that has just been completely shredded with this absurd spectacle of a party that just clearly is not a governing party. Who are the grownups now, stewart . Listen, i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party really is the only prodemocracy party in america now. You think about what we used to argue about, things like what should the Capital Gains tax be. It just seems so trivial. Both scalia and jordan, they didnt vote to certify the election of the president of the United States. So that means that they wanted to throw out the votes of a president elect, he got more votes than anybody else in the history of america. What do you do with that . Thats not a party that supports democracy. Sam, i want to play for you some sound that we just heard from the president. He was at the white house obviously touting on the latest jobs numbers out earlier today that were going to get into later on in the show, but he was asked about the fight for speakership, and heres what he had to say. Whomever the House Speaker is, im going to try to work with. They control half the congress, and im going to try to work with them. Theres some people i imagine its going to be easier to work with than others, but whoever the speaker is ill try to work with. Who can in your reporting and you alluded to this a little bit earlier, be worked with at this point, or is this just an optimistic president right now looking at a very difficult moment for the body of the house . I mean, i think theres obviously differences between jordan and scalise, right . Scalise has been in leadership to this point. You know, say what you will, they did agree to a debt ceiling deal, which sort of precipitated all this drama, but he was there. Jordan is at the tip of the spear of investigating joe biden and hunter biden, an impeachment. Those are fundamental distinctions between the two men as it pertains to who biden could work with. But i think sort of at the end of the day, were kind of missing the forest from the trees here because whoever gets the speakership on the republican side is going to be under immense pressure not to cut a deal to fund the government in 40 days time. Thats exactly what precipitated Kevin Mccarthys ouster. Its hard for me to imagine that this person will win the speakership and then allow for a Government Funding bill to come up on the terms that mccarthy and biden negotiated. And so yes, one can be worked with more than the other potentially, but on the big sub stantive issues, its just going to be gridlock. Of course biden has to say im going to try and work with them. He has no other posture he can take. Its hard to imagine real substantive things happening in the next 14 months. Julie tsirkin, you think about the prospect of that, what we were just facing last weekend, avoiding a Government Shutdown. Youve got this 45day stopgap, a speaker pro tem, will they, wont they choose a speaker between now and then. They also have to fund the government, and youre up against these eight individuals who want to possibly see a Government Shutdown in order to not fund the government because they see the government as spending too much right now. I wonder what are the powers of the speaker pro tem and the worries on the capitol right now about the possibility of that hang . Reporter i got to be honest, yasmin, this is a chamber that likes to do its work right before the deadline. They like to study for the exam the night before. These 40 plus days seem like a short time to us and its right to be concerned, but the reality is they are very use ds to conducting their work until the last minute. When you talk about the power that the speaker pro tem has, not much. Mchenry doesnt want to be in this role. But the fact that he is in this position its because it was created with the continuity of government in mind post9 11. Theres a reason this list exists. He does have a set of legislative days. Right now we actually just finished the first legislative days because its in the process, if something does happen where he needs to act, theres some kind of emergency and the Government Funding right now is not one of them, he can certainly act and have that power to do so. The question is, though, if the house stays without a speaker for weeks to come, that becomes a problem not only on funding the government but also on these negotiations over ukraine funding, over border security, all of these policies that even some of those hard line conservatives want to be able to weigh in on, especially as we get closer and closer to next years election. Republicans dont want this to be the story. They want the story to be the Biden Administration, and they cant poke holes in it if theres no speaker to run the conference right now. I want to talk about this possible removal of the motion to vacate. There was th aicle written About Thatuoting republican Thom Tillis Sayingarstically this. You get more conservative and that attracts more liberals to work with you on Consensus Policy . I havent read that book. I know mcconnell has been advocating for getting rid of this motion to vacate with whoever becomes the next speaker of the house. Do you think any kind of senators have sway over House Republicans in making this move . Yeah, absolutely not. I think that the house resents the senate. I think that the senate resents the house. Look, the idea that mcconnell who still wont say Donald Trumps name, its just so telling that he looks to some sort of inside procedural issue here that is at the problem, when he had a chance to vote to convict donald trump for sending a mob into his office to try to kill his colleagues, and he still wouldnt do it. So hes talking about a procedural motion being something thats needed . It is just so absurd and so sort of Inside Baseball that has nothing to do with the larger cancer that is eating at the american democracy and is at the heart of the Republican Party. Stuart stevens not mincing words and because of that, were keeping you around for the next hour. Thank you, sir. Julie tsirkin, sam stein, thank you, guys, as well. All right, some breaking news, everybody, just moments ago, the former president s civil new york fraud trial just wrapped up for the week. The new details about how much maralago is actually worth and the key admission that just happened on the stand, live outside the courthouse when were back in just 60 seconds. J. , why did you get vaccinated against Pneumococcal Pneumonia . I help others. But i need to help protect myself. Honestly . I couldnt afford to get sick. I want to be there for this one. I cant if im sick. Pneumococcal pneumonia is a potentially serious bacterial lung disease. You may be at risk if youre 19 to 64 with certain chronic conditions. Or if youre 65 or older. Dont pause a moment longer. Ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated against Pneumococcal Pneumonia today. Breaking news, everybody, Donald Trumps Civil Fraud Trial just wrapped up in new york city with the former president still trying to stop it in its tracks. Trumps legal team filing this request for two stays during day five of the trial, one to stop a judges order that could gut his company and the other to pause the trial, Attorney General Letitia James responding this morning saying the court should not upend an ongoing trial. For now, though, that trial is going to remain ongoing and pick back up tuesday when former trump cfo Allen Weisselberg is expected to testify. Today extrump organization controller Jeff Mcconney was back on the stand being grilled over valuations of trumps properties. Joining us more to talk about this msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin who has been inside that courtroom, along with a barbara mcquade, an msnbc legal analyst. Lisa, pick up for us what you saw inside that courtroom, some of the major developments today. Reporter yasmin, the hubbub outside the courthouse has largely toned down without former President Trump here, but inside it ratcheted up to a rather fiery level at the end of the direct examination of Jeff Mcconney. Thats because andrew aimer was taking him through some of the most egregious examples of exaggerated valuations, whether it came to telling people in his statements of Financial Condition that he wasnt incorporates, for example, the Valuef The Trump Brand but actually assigning 30 , 50 Brand Premiums to his golf courses or treating maralago as if it could be sold as an individual residence when there is, in fact, a deed on it saying it can only be used as a club. He got mcconney to admit that the values of those properties were set in all sorts of inappropriate and deceptive ways, but really, the fireworks were left for the end when mcconney was forced to admit that not only did he engage in much of the conduct that the Attorney Generals Office has alleged here, but he also assisted former trump cfo Allen Weisselberg who as you noted is expected on the stand Tuesday Morning in the tax fraud for which he was convicted after pleading guilty to 15 Felony Counts last year. Mcconney said that he not only assisted weisselberg in the fraud, that he knew it was illegal, and most importantly, that he did it because weisselberg was his boss and he feared for his job. Yasmin, it was quite an explosive day to end the trial date. We know mcconney wont be cross examined by the trump side. Barbara, i need you to react to that, the three major things im hearing from lisa there is that the admission that he assisted weisselberg because it was his job, that he knew that they were essentially breaking the law and the deceptive ways in which they valued maralago, your reaction to some of what came out of the courtroom today. Thats an incredible admission that is powerful evidence in favor of the Attorney Generals case, and really quite surprising in light of the way so many of these Insider Trump employees had been very loyal to donald trump and the organization, but you know, when you put someone under oath, under penalty of perjury and prison for lying, people tend to think carefully about what they have to say. So this is some very important testimony that will be very strong evidence in favor of the Attorney Generals case. So how does this play in, barb to this motion filed by trumps team to pause this trial and or stay the order to dissolve the company in the likelihood of either one of those happening. I think the motion to delay the trial was dead on arrival, and this testimony only makes that more so. The reason is that a reason to stop is to show that there is a likelihood of success on the merits of the party seeking the stay. It would be disruptive not only to the parties but to the witnesses and the security personnel, so i dont see any reason to stop the trial. Now, the other one about the dissolution of the companies, that is one where the argument is there is irrle hm if the court should be reversed on appeal. So that is one that i think the judg could consider a delay. The Attorney Generals response to that, though, is that this is delayed anyway. This isnt something that can happen tomorrow. First there has to be the appointment of a receiver and dates for all of that have been set for later in october. So if anything, this request seems premature to me. What are the expectations of Allen Weisselbergs testimony when resumed on tuesday, former cfo of trump org . Reporter well, Allen Weisselberg was a key participant, not necessarily in the preparations of the statements of Financial Condition, u he was sort of one degree removed from that, but he was a key player in setting many of the valuations, and most importantly, some of th information that mcconney either couldnt recall or was concealed from him was known to Allen Weisselberg. For example, Allen Weisselberg likely knew trumps triplex was not 30,000 square feet. Mcconney probably knew that too, but Allen Weisselberg is sure to know some of those details that were baked into the evaluations. Theyre going to exploit that to show he knowingly and intentionally engaged in fraudulent filing of financial statements, falsification of Business Records and most importantly Insurance Fraud which is somewhere the Attorney General wants to go with Allen Weisselberg. Talk to me about the timing of all that is going on here when it comes to some of the motiiled by the trump team across the board. Its happening as hes trying to dismiss his federal election interference and manhattan hush money cases along with asking the judge to move the classified documents case until after the election. What do you see as the strategy here from the former president s team in doing this all at once . It seems like the Name Of The Game is delay, yasmin. This week we have seen motions in every one of these cases, all designed either to dismiss or to delay these cases, and i think that Donald Trumps main goal is if he can just get all this stuff put off until after the election, he will be in a position of power where he can throw a Monkey Wrench into many of these kinds of things. You know, theres the office of Legal Counsel memo that talks about not being able to indict or try a sitting president , so if he can get it to the election, and then if he can win the election, he can push all these off for four more years, and cases dont get stronger with the passage of time, so i think he sees that as the game here. And even if he should lose some of these motions and motions to dismiss, he might be able to appeal them and buy himself more time. So incrementally kicking the can down the road as much as he can i think is the Name Of The Game here. Barbara mcquade, thank you. Lisa rubin thank you as well rch the man once hailed as americas mayor is facing another major blow to his reputation. Former new york city mayor and extrump attorney Rudy Giuliani owes nearly 550,000 in federal taxes. The unpaid balance for 2021 was revealed in an august notice that said the irs was placing a lien on property that giuliani owns in florida. The tax debt is coming as giuliani faces mounting legal woes and fees as well. A spokesperson for giuliani saying he has a formal agreement with the irs to pay off the liability. Coming up next, this months new jobs report blowing everyones predictions out of the water, what the nations explosive job growth might mean for lingering inflation. Plus, Florida Governor ron desantis testing a new strategy to revive his struggling president ial campaign. Will it backfire with the maga base he needs the most . Youre watching Msnbc G Msnb Evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. Humana can help. 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Dont take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. Tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. Done settling . Ask your rheumatologist for rinvoq. And take back whats yours. Learn how abbvie could help you save. All right, welcome back, the president touting a brand new expectations today. Ing all the u. S. Economy adding 336,000 jobs in september. Thats almost double the 170,000 jobs that were anticipated. My dad had an expression, joey, a jobs about a lot more than your paycheck. Its about dignity. Its about respect, its about being able to look your kid in the eye and say, honey, its going to be okay and mean it. 336,000 more americans if they have children can say that to their children. I want to bring in nbcs brian cheung to talk about this. You see 336,000 jobs added, unemployment steady, great news but then you got the market looking at it going not so much. Then of course whats the fed chair going to do . We saw the markets go down originally. People are looking at this report and saying we need to remind ourselves had is a good story broadly. Nobody wants to see people losing their jobs. 336,000 jobs added in september. The august number was revised up in this report by about 40,000 to 227,000, Unemployment Rate at 3. 8 . That is still near over 50year lows. Where do we see the job gains in this report, and where did economists get it wrong so badly . We saw it in particular in leisure and hospitality, code for bars and restaurants. People are going out to eat. They love going out to eat. Thats the reason we saw that number. Retail trade jobs, this is ahead of black friday obviously. Interestingly, we saw a contraction in the Motion Picture sound recording in months data down 6,000. They surveyed people before the hollywood strikes were resolved. So that number is essentially going to flip into the positive likely in the next month. These are all pictures that kind of tell you the American Economy is roaring from the Jobs Market Side of things. Federal reserve didnt expect that at this point in time. It seems like markets are saying broadly speaking good that our labor market hasnt tanked. Were a heck of a lot further away from a possible recession than we were at this time last year, right . Last year we were looking at this and thinking at this Time Next Year were going to be inside of a recession. Now youre looking at these numbers saying were very far from that. Theres got to be some positive impact on wall street with that prospect in mind. For what its worth, the labor market had been the positive signside and remains the Positive Side of this economy because unemployment is low. Where are things bad, inflation. 9 yearly rate last year. Its been coming down. This is where we get a lens into what inflation looks like. Average Hourly Earnings growth, how much more are people getting paid in september this year compared to september of last year. Its a 4. 2 bump over that period, which is a bit of a slower pace than the august to august period. The Federal Reserve might be looking at this saying thats what we expected. To outpace inflation, this is above the yearly rate of inflation. Thats good news. Thanks for walking us through that, brian cheung. Appreciate it. As a candidate, he vowed there would not be another foot of border wall constructed under his watch. Now the president is having to defend the building of another 17 miles of border wall in the state of texas. The president said he was under a deadline to use or lose money that had already been appropriated for the construction, and that attempts to redirect that money have, in fact, failed. The news is coming as a new surge of migrants puts a strain on u. S. Resources. Last month the u. S. Saw more than 200,000 migrants crossing illegally a record high for 2023, and then now illinois democratic governor, j. B. Pritzker asking for help dealing with the crisis with his city receiving 22 buses of migrants just yesterday and another 11 buses expected today. Nbcs Julia Ainsley is following the situation for us in chicago. We want to begin, though, with this report from nbcs Morgan Chesky on the ground for us in texas. Yes, about 24 hours after that major announcement from the Biden Administration, we are starting to see and hear the impact here in the Rio Grande Valley of texas, and this is the area, the region where the Biden Administration says they are looking to extend a portion of the existing border wall by about 20 miles in star county. Now, this comes after the Administration Says this money was already dedicated to the project. Allotted to this wall by a republican president in 2019. President biden has said his hands are tied. He cannot redirect or reallocate those funds, so this wall must go up. And it comes amid a migrant surge. In fact, in the month of september alone, the office of homeland security, rather customs and Border Protection says that they have recorded more than 200,000 Migrant Crossings along the u. S. mexico border. We know that here in south texas, the numbers are particularly high. In fact, we had a chance to speak to organizers of the Catholic Charity behind me here in mcallen, texas, they are asking for donations of any kind. The majority of the people they are helping are from venezuela, and that is the nation where the Biden Administration says if a migrant from venezuela arrived in the country after july 31st, they are then working to deport them back to their native land. However, those who arrived prior to that date are still protected under the temporary Protection Order issued by the Biden Administration several weeks ago. In the meantime, all eyes will go to this portion of the border wall that the Biden Administration waived 26 federal laws to put up. No firm time line on when it will be constructed, but there is some hope that it could curb whats becoming a record surge of migrants here in south trademark texas. Well send it back to you. Thank you to morgan for that. From texas, i want to go to chicago, julia, walk us through whats happening there. I just got back from chicago, i spent the day with Community Leaders who say theyre really worried about whats to come. 10,000 are still in the shelter system, and theyre worried about how theyre going to house those migrants and chicagoans as the winter months approach. Heres what we learned. Reporter officials warning chicago is approaching a breaking point. Tens full of desperate migrants lining chicagos iconic lake shore drive. Migrant shelters inside ohare airport, a total of 17,000 migrants showing up since last august, and officials expect 1,200 per day to keep coming. Now chicago is Building Sprawling Tent camps to get migrants off the streets of places like this ahead of the cold winter months. Reporter democratic illinois Governor Pritzker slamming President Biden for not doing enough writing the federal governments lack of intervention and coordination at the border has created an untenable situation. The white house blaming congress. I dont want them there. Zplort. Reporter but protests here are growing. To have the government come in and dump 300 people right next door to me, it is not fair. Reporter the Latino Pill Sen Neighborhood was the first to build a shelter for migrants and theyre preparing a new shelter to take up to a thousand more. Community leaders tell us they want to help migrants but theyre worried about resources for Poor Chicagoans too. Im concerned because of the low response by the federal and state government. When winter comes not only will you not have enough room for migrants, you also might not have enough room to take in some Homeless People who live on the streets here in pillsen, American Citizens . Absolutely. We met these migrants sleeping outside a police station. Stephanie tells us she boarded a free bus in texas because she thought chicago had a refugee camp. Some of us have been here weeks, she said. She told us shes desperate for a job to support her 1yearold son back in venezuela. So you can see its a desperate situation there and dhs officials were on the ground working with City Officials to try to figure out how they can get these sprawling tent camps up and going as well as trying to let immigrants who might be eligible to apply to get work permits so that they can start supporting themselves and try to get out of these desperate situations. I was shocked to see how many migrants are sleeping on the streets and around Police Stations, at lot of those Police Stations we passed had tents lined up along the sidewalk as well as children and their parents sleeping inside just, you know, stacked right next to each other in the lobbies of the Police Stations. Yeah, important for us to see that story and the plight of these migrants now, just want to make a life for themselves here. Julia ainsley, thank you. On sunday, msnbc films presents Marthas Vineyard versus desantis. The film tells the story of the migrants flown to the new england island, the community that took them in, and the Florida Governor behind it all. Watch Marthas Vineyard versus desantis this sunday at 10 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc, streaming on peacock as well. Coing up next, the latest on another russian attack on civilians, this time a young boy and his grandmother. And new intelligence on the kremlins possible targets in the black sea. 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I want to bring in nbc news Correspondent Raf Sanchez to talk more about this. If you will, talk to us more about this strike, what more you have learned on it, and this new intelligence from the uk. Reporter yeah, yasmin, so just starting on the intelligence, when we talk about whats happening in the war in ukraine, we tend to focus about whats happening on land, but there have been a lot of developments at sea recently. This newly declassified British Intelligence alleges basically a russian plot, a plot to attack civilian cargo ships carrying ukrainian grain into the black sea. The british are saying the russians would most likely use these very large naval mines planted outside of ukrainian ports to try to damage or sink these ships, and they are saying that russia would try to conceal its role in these attacks because if you attack a civilian ship in international waters, that is potentially a war crime are, and as you said, they would try to pin the blame on the ukrainians instead. Now, russia has not responded to these british allegations, but if they are true, it would appear to be the latest russian effort to strangle the ukrainian economy of which, as you know, Grain Exports are such an important part, there had previously been a deal in place that would allow ukrainian grain out of those ports, out to sea, and into the world markets. The russians pulled out of that deal in july, that has caused food prices around the world to spike, including in some of the worlds poorest countries, and this comes as the russians are struggling in the black sea. The ukrainians have had a lot of success in recent weeks targeting the russian navy, in crimea, especially in that key port of sebastopol, long range ukrainian missiles hit the black sea fleets headquarters a couple of weeks ago killing a number of senior officers. The ukrainians say they sank a russian submarine, that they badly damaged a russian cruiser, and yasmin, crimea is so important to the russians not just militarily but symbolically, it is the first part of ukraine that they annex instead 2014, and these strikes are giving the ukrainians hope that they may one day be able to take the peninsula back by force. Thank you, raf. Appreciate it. Coming up next, Ron Desantiss floundering president ial campaign, its changing, but can this antitrump message win over the magabased voters hell need to clinch that gop nomination. Coming up in our next hour, im going to speak with democratic congressman Anthony Deexposito of new york about the fight for a new speaker. R. 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He touted the endorsement of 60 Florida Sheriffs and was surrounded on stage by a number of them as well, but he never once mentioned the 91 charges and four criminal cases facing the front runner who leads him in the polls making only a single Passing Reference to trumps rising legal fees. Stuart stevens is back with us to talk more about this. First off, why is ron desantis campaigning in florida, and what does that say about the status of his campaign . Yeah, its a great point. You know, the two things you cant lie about in a campaign is where you spend money and where you campaign, so heres a guy, hes been running for president for over a year. He came out. He was supposed to be, you know, the new incarnation of a different Republican Party, and here, you know, its october. Hes reduced to campaigning in his own home state. Thats not a good sign, its like nikki haley, was running third in her own home state. All of this really goes to the fundamental problem that these candidates have, running against donald trump. Except for christie and asa hutchinson. If youre going to run against someone, you have to walk on stage with the assumption i am going to defeat this person, and they havent gone at this with any sort of intensity and any argument why there shouldnt be donald trump, and thats still continuing. Its this sort of timidity at the campaigns that do you think, stuart, desantis would have had any more success kind of juxtaposing this law and Order Campaign that he is now on that he is touting, right, being surrounded on stage by sheriffs in the state of florida and comparing that what the former president is facing right now with 91 criminal charges. Yeah, i mean, look, of course, you know. If it woke you up in the middle of the night a year ago and said youre going to be running against somebody who has 91 indictments against them, 91 counts, do you think they ought to make it an issue in the campaign, of course you should. But he hasnt, so i just wonder why they havent gone back to the table and said maybe we should, maybe this isnt working for us. This campaign, the more money it spends, the further they go down, thats usually seen as a negative indicator. You know, the problem is where the party is, and you have to get inside their minds. So they see donald trump as the current president , as an illegal president. They stole the election from him, and now this deep state because they cant stop him from being elected president , theyre trying to lock him up to stop us from reelecting the person who should be president now. So inside that world it all makes sense. Its kind of like believing in crop circles, you know. Its a unified theory of the universe, and thats the problem a guy like ron desantis has. Hes running to get these voters, and hes not running to educate these voters. He wont go out and say you shouldnt look at it this way. This is wrong. We are the Law And Order party. We cant have this president. And you know, until he does that, i think hes just going to keep sort of fading into the background. Stuart stevens, thank you so much, sir, i appreciate it. All right, coming up next, everybody, the missing mississippi, how a historic drought is putting louisianas Drinking Water at risk. Risk at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. Humana can help. With Original Medicare youre covered for hospital stays and Doctor Office visits, but youll have to pay a deductible for each. 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Reporter the race to keep new orleans Drinking Water safe as the flow as the Mississippi River might not be Strong Enough to prevent disaster. Those In Port Sulfur struggling. When i run the bath, you can smell it. You can feel and smell the salt . Reporter yes, sir. When we met harold and his wife denise, they were unloading water for their kids and grandkids. How long have you been dealing with this. A couple of month the. Reporter with even Plaquemines Parish to keep Saline Levels down. In the regions most populous Parish Jefferson where close to half a Million People are set to be affected, its a race to get these pipes down and bring in fresh water. Do you anticipate having to tell people they can only drink Bottled Water . Were hoping not. Were hoping that this system is able to connect us upriver. Reporter the Army Corps Of Engineers has had some success bolstering an under water barrier called a sill, but following the hottest summer on record and the majority of louisiana under a state of exception that will drought, these Emergency Steps are only a stopgap. All levels of government are throwing everything we have at this problem, and unfortunately the Silver Bullet is rain. We need rain upstream. Reporter the salt water has already gone some 60 or 70 river miles up the mississippi. That was mostly unimpeded. The question is how much farther will it go towards new orleans showing its stopping short of the water tanks for now. Reporter if that halts, the biggest Population Centers could be spared, a many still worry about their loved ones having clean drink water. I dont want them to get sick if anything happens. Sam brock, nbc news. Thank you to sam for that. Weve got a lot to cover in our second hour of Chris Jansing reports. Lets get right to it. 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