Above the law. Also, deeper dysfunctions. Speaker Kevin Mccarthy had to turn to democrats to avoid a shutdown just hours before the midnight saturday deadline. Will democrats rescue him from the hard rightwing move to punish him by taking away his gavel . If somebody wants to make a motion against me, bring it. There has to be an adult in the room. I am going to govern with what is best for this country. The latest on the effort to end his speakership with Congress Matt gaetz set to take the house floor at any moment. Plus the back story of just how that last minute deal came together at the last minute to keep the government open, and the crisis its creating for ukraine. And the new democrat in Town Appointing Butler as the only third black woman senator in history as she temporarily fills senator Diane Feinsteins seat. What that means in the growing list of democrats already competing for that prize. Good day, everyone. Im Andrea Mitchell In Washington. Former President Donald Trump is inside a Manhattan Courthouse On Trial in that civil case along with his two adult sons on his business on charges he wildly inflated his assets for years and years. The judge has already fund trump liable of fraud claiming trumps real estate valuations were, quote, a fantasy world. Now the future of the entire Trump Organization in new york is on the line with more allegations of persistent fraud still to be decided along with the size of the penalty hell have to pay. Before walking into the courtroom today, trump denounced the case as Election Interference and insisted his financial returns were, quote, phenomenal. This is a continuation of the single greatest witchhunt of alltime. There was never a default. There was never a problem. Everything was perfect. There was no crime. The crime is against me because we have a corrupt District Attorney, but we have a corrupt Attorney General. Trump also lashed out on social media overnight against the judge and the new York Attorney general Letitia James as you just heard her calling them both democratic operatives. The former president is expected to be in Court Tomorrow as well, spending the night in his trump tower apartment, an asset hes accused of reporting as nearly three times its actual size and that added 200 million to its claimed value. Joining me now is nbc news correspondent vaughn milliard, Pulitzer Prizewinning Journalist michael schmidt, author of donald trump versus the United States. And andrew weissman. Vaughn, whats happening inside the court. Explain the penalties trump might be facing, and the fact hes spoken already outside in the hallway is extraordinary to me because hes attacking the Attorney General and the judge again only yards away from them. Reporter this repeats history for donald trump here, attacking not only the prosecutor bringing this lawsuit against him but also the judge who is sitting there directly in front of him. For donald trump he doesnt have to be here in court today, but he chose to attend the proceedings the first day of his trial here in Lower Manhattan after staying the night in trump tower and motorcading down. Currently the courtroom is in a 10minute break. We believe the defense has wrapped up its opening statement. They were allotted two hours, the amount of time his attorney actually took was substantially less here. Potentially we could hear from our first witness today, the former accountant for donald trump himself who had put together his tax returns in the past year. For donald trump he is looking at a witness list to go before the judge in this lawsuit against him and his children and the Trump Organization that includes the likes of don jr. And eric but also his former lawyer, michael cohen, who is whose own testimony in cooperation with the new York Attorney generals office, Letitia James, shes credited him for providing the testimony that allowed her to start this investigation more than 3 1 2 years ago on march of 2019. But we should also expect to hear from allen weisselberg, long time chief Financial Officer when he was brought onboard to work for Donald Trumps father, fred trump. For trump here this is moment in which hes looking at potentially not only the ten entities that have already been determined by the judge in this case to be turned over to a receiver and be all but dissolved here, but hes also looking at potentially a 250 million financial peniment that could have severe repercussions to the Trump Organizations at large and his properties outside of new york. But he and his children could also be barred from ever doing business in new york. They could also face a real estate suspension here in the state of new york. And so for the Trump Organization back in 1927 is when the family first founded it, nearly 96 years later they are in peril that has far reaching implications that go much greater beyond donald trump himself but an entire corporation here that goes down to his children, others in the family and of course a workforce that could be looking at the trumps no longer at the helm. So, michael, this is civil trial, not a criminal trial unlike the four others that trump is facing, but its really striking a chord with trump. Its getting him where he lives, his finances, his businesses. This case cuts to the heart of perhaps the most important thing to him, and that is what he thinks his worth is. This is something that has come under question for many decades. It was the subject of a book that was written, you know, about how much he actually had. Donald trump sued the author of the book at the time trying to refute that, to prove that he was worth more. And i think that this also cuts to probably what he what struck so Many Americans across the country when he was running in 2016. If you lived in new york city you knew that donald trump was was a showman who did overstate a lot of Different Things. But to many people in the country he was the person from the apprentice, the person in the boardroom, the person worth all of this money. And what this trial does is it essentially says that was all a fraud, that was all made up, that was all smoke and mirrors. And, look, who knows what type of impact this will have on trumps standing, which has obviously seen so many Different Things over the past what is it six, seven, eight years now. But this does cut to heart of that notion of him as an extraordinary businessman. That is on trial here, and he is taking some big blows on it. And that could affect whether he can get insurance or bank loans for any of his other businesses even outside new york. Andrew, i want to play another portion of the former president entering the courtroom this morning and going after both the judge and the whole system. Now, i have to go before a rogue judge as a continuation of russia, russia, russia. As a continuation of the greatest witchhunt of alltime, and i dont think the people of this country are going to stand for it. This is a disgrace, and youre going to go after this Attorney General because shes turning off everybody from coming in. So hes hes gone after Letitia James repeatedly. Could these comments be interpreted as something far more serious . Then i want to ask you about something Merrick Garland said on 60 minutes last night. Andrea, absolutely. I think that the former president , unfortunately, has a habit of using language like that that has an unfortunate call and response effect. You know, you just have to look at january 6th and, you know, his comments there and the governments allegations with respect to the call and response effect that it had, and then a whole series of others most recently involving General Milley now saying that the Attorney General should be stopped. These are the kinds of things that are going to certainly be raised and addressed by the d. C. Federal judge. She now has before her all of the papers. But put in all of their submissions with respect to restrictions that should be placed on or not placed on donald trump because hes out on bail on four criminal cases, and so this is exactly the kind of language that the government is very concerned about because they dont want to see any further violence. And Merrick Garland whom you know well, has not been speaking out very, very carefully speaking out when he does. But he gave an exclusive interview to 60 minutes defending himself and the Justice Department against charges of politics but also speaking emotionally about whats at stake here. The democracy, the constitution, and how he feels as a family as someone who came from an holocaust family, lost relatives, about the protections under our constitution. Take a look at this. That we pass on a Justice Department that continues to pursue the rule of law and protect it, and its the same thing that every generation has to hope, that we can pass our democracy on in working order to the next generation that picks up the torch and is responsible when were finished to continue that job. Merrick garland, he was emotional throughout that section of the interview, an extraordinary interview with scott pelley on 60 minutes. Andrew . He was similarly emotional when he spoke at his confirmation, when he spoke at ellis island, talking about what the country means to him and particularly given his background and what it meant to his family coming here. Whatever one thinks about Merrick Garland in terms of whether he should have acted faster or not in connection with any of these investigations and particular decisions, i think its very notable that he is understanding that its so important for the Attorney General to be speaking out and for the public to get to know him because there really is a void otherwise where you only hear from detractors, you only hear people talking about the weaponization and politicization of the department of justice. And so he is clearly trying to counter that. And hes been getting it from both sides, a lot of tension with the white house as well. Vaughn hilliard, michael schmidt, andrew weissman, thank tuesday all all of you. And the speaker challenge. The House Speaker is striking a deal to keep the government open for now, but inflaming the rightwing of his part. Will Kevin Mccarthy survive . Thats next when Andrea Mitchell reports is back in 60 seconds. Youre watching msnbc. 0 seconds. Youre watching msnbc. Pneumococcal pneumonia . I help others. But i need to help protect myself. Honestly . I couldnt afford to get sick. I want to be there for this one. I cant if im sick. Pneumococcal pneumonia is a potentially serious bacterial lung disease. You may be at risk if youre 19 to 64 with certain chronic conditions. Or if youre 65 or older. Dont pause a moment longer. Ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated against Pneumococcal Pneumonia today. A Government Shutdown was averted at the very last moment late Saturday Night with Congress Passing a 45day Funding Extension. But only after House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy had to cave in and turn to democrats to get it over the finish line, eliminating money for ukraine as well. And breaking his repeated commitment to a group of hardright conservatives who said that would trigger a move to force him out of his job. Of course by floridas republican matt gaetz. I do intend to file a motion to vacate against Speaker Mccarthy this week. I think we need to ripoff the bandaid. I think we need to move on with new leadership thats trustworthy. He says hes coming for you. Can you survive . Ill survive. This is personal with matt. Bring it on, lets get on with it, and lets start governening. Garret, classic congress, last minute deal. But this one was even more perilous right up until the last second. And how did they pull it off . Andrea, the main reason they were able to pull it off is because the speaker totally changed course. You describe it as a cave. He basically changed strategies between Saturday Night and friday morning after trying several times to move to a conservative effort to keep the government open, pair it with Border Security funding, make other changes. On saturday he said, you know what, forget it. Well do what amount today a clean extension of Government Funding for 45 days and pass it under a type of rule called suspension where they dont have to do a rule vote, a number of procedural steps but did have to do a cross over, more democrats than republicans supporting this bill. And that may have been the final trigger here for matt gaetz. We expect him to come to the floor any minute now to potentially file that motion to vacate the speakership and essentially toss mccarthy over to the side. Mccarthy spoke to reporters on his way in this morning. He had a much more conciliatory tone, and suggested hes very comfortable with the decision he made and hes happy to see whats going to happen with gaetz and these hard liners. Heres what he told reporters on his way in this morning. Do you respect a motion to vacate, and if you dont win that vote, will you put yourself up for the speakship again . Youd have to ask them. I dont know. Im just going to focus on doing the work im supposed to do. I think this is a question to the institution itself. Im not worried about it. This block of people held up the floor and frustrated the conference. Do you kind of want to bring that vote to prove this point . I want to win the votes so i can finish the job for the American People. So, andrew, this has been a republican on republican melee for weeks now, but democrats have an opportunity in their hands if gaetz does push for mccarthys ouster here. If somebody ss going to need democratic votes to get out of this, either democrats with gaetz or democrats perhaps trying to extract concessions from the speaker in exchange for their support. Theres really no math here to put a democrat in the speakers chair, but democrats could approach this from a variety of strategic options. Right now the operative cliche is lets see how this plays out, and it to could take several days to play out according to house rules. Everyone is watching the floor closely now and waiting to see what gaetz decides to do and what mccarthy asks if anything for democratic support to keep his job. Garret haake, thank you so much. Stay close by. Were going to come back to you once we hear from matt gaetz on the house floor. And joining us now is republican congressman Kelly Armstrong of north dakota, a key player in averting a shutdown. Thank you for being with us because there are reports from the washington post, for instance, that you were part of a small group of republicans working behind the scenes for a cup of days on the sort of break glass plan b to make sure the Funding Extension passed, get it done before midnight, get it to the senate in time. How did you pull that off . It was also a group of small republicans working to get the most Conservative Cr on the floor that could get 218 votes. We started, you know, three weeks ago with the largest spending cuts in congressional history and the most robust Border Security, and our goal was always for the vast majority of the congress is what is the most Conservative Cr that can get 218 votes. And unfortunately we saw what that was on saturday because we couldnt get our party to coalesce around a really conservative package. A vast majority of republicans did not want the government to shutdown, and we got through it on saturday. I wanted to get back to you. If you could listen to me while matt gaetz speaks. Hes speaking now on the house floor. With President Biden and house democrats. So let me get this straight. To extend joe bidens spending and joe bidens policy priorities, the speaker of the house gave away to joe biden the money for ukraine that joe biden wanted. It is going to be difficult for my republican friends to keep calling President Biden feeble while he continues to take Speaker Mccarthys lunch money in every negotiation. The speaker of the house has responded to these reports of a secret side deal on money for ukraine, opaquely stating that he still wants to fund ukraine and our border. I have a few replies to this statement. First, the speakers statement confirms the existence of a secret deal. And i have talked to members of our own leadership who have said they didnt even know that Speaker Mccarthy was negotiating a secret side deal outside of our conference, outside of his own Leadership Team for the sake of ukraine. Second, ukraine has lost the support of a majority of the majority of the last time there was a freestanding ukraine vote on this floor it was last week. 101 republicans voted for it, 117 republicans voted against it. According to the rule which Speaker Mccarthy agreed to in january, you cannot use democrats to roll a majority of the majority certainly on something as consequential on ukraine. So for all the Crocodile Tears about what may happen later this week about a motion to vacate, working with the democrats is a Yellow Brick Road that has been paved by Speaker Mccarthy, whether it was the debt limit deal, the cr, or now the secret deal on ukraine. Third, this is sloppily logrolling. The American People deserve single subject bills. I get that a lot of folks might disagree with my perspectives on the border or on ukraine, but can we at least agree no matter how you feel about ukraine or the southern border, they each deserve the dignity of their own consideration and should not be rolled together where they might pass where each individually would . This is what were trying to get away from. No more lashing these disparate issues together so the American Peoples interests are subjugated on the floor of the house. You know how we should stand up for our border . Demand the United States senate take up our single subject appropriations bill that funded the border. It created republican unity. We voted for it. It has the policy demands that the continuing resolution that Speaker Mccarthy advocated for on this floor did not. Our Dhs Funding Bill requires you verify. And then hours later after we passed that, the speaker wanted us to vote for a continuing resolution that didnt include everify. Retreat isnt a strategy to win everything. So mr. Speaker, just tell us just tell us what was in the secret ukraine side deal . What commitments were made to President Biden to continue the spending of President Biden in Exchange Interest doing things for President Biden . It is becoming increasingly clear who the speaker of the house already works for, and its the republican congress. Mr. Speaker, i would ask these questions be answered soon because there may be other votes coming today or later this week that could be implicated by the answers to these questions. Members of the Republican Party might vote differently on a motion to vacate if they heard what the speaker had to share with us about his secret side deal with joe biden on ukraine. Ill be listening. Stay tuned, and i yield back. The gentleman yields back. And members are reminded to refrain and back with us now is republican congressman Kelly Armstrong of north dakota, a key player in averting a shutdown. Congressman, thanks for waiting. And it gave us the opportunity to have you listen as well to matt gaetz. What is your response . We passed hr2 earlier this in congress. We put it in the continuing resolution along with most significant spending cuts in history to put the conservative side of the house position in the best position possible. We didnt get that across. We didnt know democrats werent going to vote for it, but if you have a group of republicans in the conference that wont vote for anything in a majority, i dont know how you can come back and blame the vast majority of the conference for wanting government function. A motion to vacate seems a little silly because Kevin Mccarthy has the support of the vast majority of our conference. And then lastly, i would just say we left a motion to vacate in the back last week. Well wait and see what happens. Youre calling his bluff. Yeah, well see what happens. Kevin mccarthy i mean in order for Kevin Mccarthy to be thrown out as speaker Congressman Gaetz is going to need the support of a vast majority of democrats. So essentially hes going to need exactly what he spent five minutes railing against. He also has commitment from the leaders of both houses and the white house for Ukraine Funding in either a stand alone or something which the white house is acknowledging privately will have to include Border Security. Will you vote for Ukraine Funding with whatever is added to it as a separate legislation . Well, one, i want to see some oversight. I want to see some accountability, and i want to see a plan. That has been the biggest frustration with the vast majority of republicans, but also why we tried to cr three weeks ago. Nobody thought the senate was going to accept it, but we were going to deal with the three most important issues i think to most americans out of control government spending, the border, and what is the longterm strategy for ukraine. Again, we put a cr together so conservative we knew no democrat would vote for it, so one has to ask the question why it didnt get across the finish line. And it wasnt the vast majority of the republican conference but a few in the minority of the republican conference. Congressman Kelly Armstrong of north dakota, thank you very much for being with us. And joining me now democratic congressman Greg Landsman of ohio and brandonboil of pennsylvania. Gentlemen, would you also standby while we see what matt gaetz has to say now hes come out on the steps. I said on nbc this past weekend Kevin Mccarthys True Coalition Partner of all substances has been the democrats this congress. He worked with democrats on the Debt Limit Bill and only democrats are really campaigning on that bill. Republicans arent campaigning on the bill. That was a Democrat Bill passed with mostly democratic votes. Then we get to the appropriations process, and Speaker Mccarthy tried to delay us. He tried to not pass single subject spending bills, and at the end of the day he had to utilize democrats to pass a continuing resolution. So if Kevin Mccarthy works for democrats and utilizes democrats in order to keep power, that would be consistent with everything weve seen from him. What do you say when he says this is personal for you . For some people policy failures are recast as personal because their own failures are personally embarrassing to them. This isnt personal. I can cite to you the specific elements of house rules that have been violated. Kevin mccarthy agreed to a rule that we would have 72 hours to read legislation. He flew past that. Kevin mccarthy agreed to a rule we would not put anything over 100,000 on the suspension agenda. He ruled past that. He agreed that you wouldnt agree to democrats to roll a majority of the majority of on the last supplemental does this sound personal to you . Im pointing to specific things kevin agreed to he hasnt complied with. Hes just trying to subjugate his real and significant breaches of our agreement as some sort of personal dispute, but thats just more about him than if says about were trying to Change Washington how many team do you believe share your sentiment among House Republicans or among the house overall . I think tens of millions of americans share my sentiment. If you go look at Newt Gingrich and mark levin trying to attack me online its an avalanche of their own supporters and listeners where those folks are standing with me. Can you get five or six republicans to sign onto this . Well see and well see where the votes lie. If you lose this vote, will you continue to do this . And are you worried about throwing this institution into chaos, paralyzing the institution that your party runs . You know what i think paralyzes us . Continuing to govern by continuing resolution and comny bus. You know what i think throws this institution into chaos marching us towards the dollar not being the global currency anymore. You talk about chaos as if its me forcing a few votes and filing a few motions. Real chaos is when the American People have to go through the austerity that is coming if we continue to have 2 trillion annual deficits. You dont know chaos until youve seen where this congress and this uniparty is bringing us. Who would you want to see as speaker instead . We have a lot of talented people in our conference. Theres probably mun hundreds of talented people in conference that i would vote for speaker. Remember the speaker doesnt have to be hold on. Im finishing answering your question, but if you interrupt you other people cant so the answer to your question is we have a lot of folks in congress who i think would be very capable to serve as speaker. We need to rebuild trust, and so i think we need someone who can connect the most conservative features of our conference congressman landsman, your your reaction to matt gaetz who aside from being rude to ali vitali, our Network Correspondent i should point out, is also misstating the facts of if finances of what happens during a Government Shutdown. Hes not just being rude. Matt gaetz want to be on tv. This is what this is about. Matt gaetz wants the attention. The attention was pulled away from matt gaetz on saturday when the vast majority of us passed the cr. It was ulpull away from matt gaetz when we got the bipartisan Budget Agreement done in may and june, and hes schooling her on how to do tv. Thats his thing. He does tv. Hes a total fraud. He is a fringe, you know, guy who starts fires. Hes a you know, hes a conflict entrepreneur. Thats what he does. Its chaos and conflicts so that he can be on tv when the vast majority of us want to govern. And my hope is that well see some changes this week so that we can govern and govern effectively every day. Congressman, im going to ask congressmanboil as well whos with us will democrats vote to keep him in the speakers chair even though hes someone who has not been, you know not only not been working with democrats but who has gone against an agreement with the president himself and with the republicans in the senate and the democrats in the senate after the debt ceiling. I mean hes played it both ways several times. Yeah, i dont know how the votes will play out, but i do i will say this, one, the vast majority of us want to govern. If you put a bipartisan bill in front of this congress, were going to pass it. And weve shown that with the bipartisan Budget Agreement, with the cr on saturday. Number two, there will need to be some changes including marginalidesing folks like matt gaetz who just want to burn the whole place down so we can govern. And if theres a path where we can effectively govern together, i think a lot of us will want to take that back. Congressman, what price will they ask for . How about sus spending action on the Oversight Committee on impeachment . First, i think its worth taking a step back and recognizing this is actually not just matt gaetz. There are about 20 or so very hard Line Fire Brand selfdescribed maga conservatives who really have caused a great deal of dysfunction and have turned the house of representatives under republican rule into a circus. And Kevin Mccarthy has done nothing but enable them. I mean we saw this going back to january, the very first day of this House Republican leadership. What did we see . A first time a speakers vote lasted more than one round in over a century. And now we might have the first motion to vacate vote to take place in the house representatives also in over a century. This is historic level of dysfunction when republicans are in charge, and it continues a pattern that i saw back my very first term in 2015, 2016 when back bentures like mark meadows and other Freedom Caucus types moved on john boehner and ultimately boehner decided to retire rather than have to deal with them. Ultimately its the chaos and confusion we continue to get underrepublican leadership contrasted when democrats are in charge we get Bipartisan Legislation like infrastructure and ability to get prescription drugs. Are you going to have to get Border Funding as well in order to get it through . It is aside from being Ranking Member of the Budget Committee im part of the u. S. Delegation to the nato parliamentary assembly. I will be at our next nato meeting this coming weekend. Many of our nato allies ive already heard from some of them privately over the weekend are quite nervous about this development that has happened In Washington, d. C. Matt actually said something that was correct, believe it or not, when he pointed out that the first time a majority of House Republicans voted down Ukraine Funding late last week. So it is a worrying signal. That said, however, even despite a slight majority of House Republicans opposing Ukraine Funding, still when you look at the congress as a whole roughly two thirds of the house of representatives and roughly two thirds of the senate supports the United States continuing to lead the Transatlantic Alliance and standing up to putin. So as long as Kevin Mccarthy doesnt pander to his most extreme wing and puts that bill on the floor, i do believe it will pass by a strong majority. Thank you both, congressman Greg Landsman, and congressman brandon boyle. And garret haake joins us again from capitol hill. Well, garret, matt gaetz didnt sort of pull the trigger on that, but is he planning to . And where do you see this going . Will democrats keep Kevin Mccarthy in his chair if he does . Gaetz has been teasing this for some time in ever more specific terms. Now over the weekend suggesting it would be this week. He had a lot of eyeballs on him on the floor here this morning. Mccarthy is lying on gaetz doing and then trying to man explain how Television News works to ali vitali does make the argument hes doing this all for television. That said i do think gaetz is probably serious about going through with this. Hes gone far too farout on a limb i think to back down now and have any credibility remaining. And what he may be trying to do is extend this in such a way where he can figure out where democrats are going to be. As i said a few minutes ago theyre the people to watch here. Gaetz is not going to have enough republican votes to throw mccarthy on his side on their own. By drawing the sound, by speaking in public about it, he may be able to get a bit more of a tell there, but well see where this goes, andrea. And quick question about bowman because he did acknowledge triggering an alarm in the building. He said it to do it to rush to the floor for a vote, but he was accused and i believe theres an investigation going on by security as to whether he did it to delay a vote when they were trying to when Hakeem Jeffries was filibustering to try to figure out his strategy on that late move. What do we know . This all happened saturday when this vote was getting rushed to the floor. Democrats had asked for 90 minutes to consider this 70page bill. They werent given thatch. Hakeem jeffries was using his time as a leader to extend to buy time. He said he pulled this fire alarm thinking it would open this door in one of the house buildings that was locked. Look, there are some doors in the Office Buildings open during the week and locked on the weekends. It is possible he was confused as he claims. Republicans think this was all a stall tactic, a stunt if you will to try to delay things. There will be an investigation, andrea. Its hard to see if can be conclusive, but republicans want to see how far they can run the trail on this here. So weve not heard the last about fire alarmgate from this weekend. Stay tuned there. Could it get any crazier up there on the hill . Dont tempt it, andrea. Im sure it could. I should not mention that. Thank you so much, garret haake, for covering it all. And switching sides, one of the 19 codefendants in the Georgia Election fraud case pleads guilty. What could that mean for donald trump coming next . Youre watching Andrea Mitchell reports only on msnbc. Watching reports only on msnbc. Switch toe in any iphone, and get the new iphone 15 pro on them. vo trade in any iphone in any condition for a new iphone 15 pro on us. Only on verizon. This is Spring Semester at fairfieldsuisun unified. 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Exactly what it means for the other codefendants remains to be seen. We know that Sidney Powells defense represented by her attorneys is that the access to the Voting Machines in Coffee County was given with permission from those elected officials. Of course brad raffenspergers, the secretary of states position is they didnt have the permission to give any permission and thats what part of their conspiracy in the rico indictment. Youll anticipate scott hall has given some information about the Thought Process going down to Coffee County, how that happened that Sidney Powell was in fact a part of that decision and a part of that that decision and the part of the logistics of it, making that happen as opposed to her representation she didnt plan it, she wasnt part of the execution. I would imagine scott hall is going to testify to something contrary to that. But he has been consistent in previous statements i believe that information was obtained with permission. Thats still going to be a point of contention in Sidney Powells trial. And we also know he was involved with a phone call with jeffrey clark, that phone call mentioned in indictment. Theres been likely information about the phone call as well hed be testifying to once that case makes it to trial. Paul, also in the georgia case former new York City Police commissioner burny bernie carrick, he was named an oninindicted coconspirator. He of course very close as you know to the whole inner circle with donald trump and was present at a lot of those meetings and that gets a lot closer to the principled and certainly to rudy giuliani. It does, indeed, andrea. And it sets in motion a cadence that begins to take place between prosecutor and witness. Here mr. Karick may have a Fifth Amendment concern. Before you can actually claim Fifth Amendment you have to do so in good faith. What his lawyer says is you named me as Unindicted Coconspear and sent me a letter, but you didnt make it clear you werent going to charge my client on any charges going forward. The prosecutors will respond to this. What they dont want to do is put a witness on the stand that simply invokes the Fifth Amendment. They believe mr. Carrick has information that could assist them in this ongoing prosecution, so theyre going to try to negotiate in some way to hear what information he has. And in the first instance what that typically involves a is a kind of proffer. Mr. Carricks lawyers testified and they say if called to testify and he doesnt have to invoke his Fifth Amendment concerns or rights, heres what my clients will say. Its that back and forth between prosecutors and mr. Carricks lawyers that stale has to take place before we know what information he has regarding this ongoing trial. And paul, The Civil Fraud Trial that began today in new york city its the first of several donald trump is going to be facing this year, but the budden of proof is a lot lawyer in a civil versus criminal trial, right . And also on the civil case hes been put on the Prosecution List by the Attorney General. If he takes the fifth, it commits an inference, a negative inference, right, to the judge . It most certainly does. Civil law is clear. If a witness takes the stand and says i invoke my Fifth Amendment right, i do not wish to testify against myself, the judge whos going to be the decider in this case, gets to draw an adverse inference. Mr. Trump takes the stand, he says im invoking my Fifth Amendment rights, the judge can say and would likely put in writing in any holding, i draw an adverse inference. I believe that the reason former President Trump didnt testify was because had he done so it would have been adverse to him. It would have been inculpaatory, something negative about what it is occurred. There is risk for former President Trump if he testifies and waives his Fifth Amendment concern and certainly risk if he invokes the Fifth Amendment. Thank you so much. And off the trail Donald Trumps trials in new york, washington, and georgia are already keeping him off the campaign trail. We saw him in court today, but is he gaining more politically by showing up in court given how much his polling and fundraising has gone up every time he does . Youre watching Andrea Mitchell reports on msnbc. Reports on msnbc. Best thing ive ever done. Thats what freddie told me. It was the best thing ive ever done, and really . Yes, without a doubt i dont have any anxiety about money anymore. Great people. 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Call Coventry Direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect. Com. Donald trump is in the courtroom today not on the campaign trail. Hes not expected to host another rally until saturday in iowa. Joining me now is new york city chief White House Correspondent peter baker, former republican congressman from florida, david jolly, and former Senior Advisor to the biden harass 2020 campaign, welcome all. The images of trump appearing in court could start losing some shock value because of all the trials hes going to be facing, but as the form president and party frontrunner he keeps rising in the polls no matter how many court cases hes got. The sheer volume of Donald Trumps court cases does kind of have us numb and frankly for Republican Voters saying its a witchhunt and theyre offering political redemption where he faces legal peril. And some cases provide greater and greater scrutiny and the loss of assets is a loss of freedom we do have to revisit the psychological impact it has on Republican Voters. It goes to the heart of what donald trump has created himself to be, his image of a wealthy successful business person. This court is saying, no, youre a fraud and youve defrauded taxpayers and defrauded victims. I think the one piece republicans will hold onto is when donald trump says theres been no victims here, i wasnt arrested, why are they coming after me for being successful g after me for being successfu. When shes sworn in now that shes been appointed by the governor as a temporary senator from california shes going to be only the third black woman senator in American History which is incredible. But what about her role with the congressional caucusnd really upset that, you know, karen bass is not excuse me that barbara lee is not being supported and shes already running. People are conditions on that. If there were no conditions, why wasnt barbara leah potential contender for this . I will say this, i dont like to pit two black women against each other. Barbara lee actually said congratulations to laphonza and people are supporting her. A lot of groups are supporting her. I will say i think it speaks to the bigger problem we have in this country. In the years of this countrys founding weve only had three black women senators. Thats a fundamental issue thats bigger than california. Absolutely. Its pretty striking, shocking. Absolutely. Peter, youve been writing about the government dysfunction in the house. Both of us have been around for a while, but this is really beyond any previous shutdown because the fight is all internal. Its not even the majority of republicans, but a small Group Holding everyone hostage and the speaker completely going back on all of his commitments to them to, as he said, be the adult in the room and grie to something that the democrats supported. Thats exactly right. How many Government Shutdowns have we been through . Theyve all been about democrats versus republicans. Bill clinton versus Newt Gingrich over how to balance the budget or donald trump over nancy pelosi over whether to fund the border wall. This is an entirely internal fight in which the democrats are basically on the sideline. They were brought in to rescue Kevin Mccarthy over the weekend. Now the question of whether theyll be brought in to rescue him sorry over this motion to vacate that matt gaetz is going to file. You see In Washington, not only a shutdown averted, but the question of whether the speaker will continue to be in office, a new Impeachment Inquiry hes launched against President Biden and even some republicans say isnt justified by the evidence at this point. You see a lot In Washington happening against the backdrop with these four criminal indictments and rightfully focusing on the civil case in new yoolving the former President Donald Trump. Its a very dysfunctional moment where governing seems to be taki a back seat to partisan warfare, internal warfare among republicans. Peter baker, david jolly and alencia johnson, thanks to all of you. Its the First Monday In Octoberment that means the Supreme Court begins its new term exploring the scope of the second amendment, the power of the Executive Branch to regulate effectively, and free speech with Tech Companies on social media. This on whether the court needs an ethics code like all other judges since they dont have one. Justice Brett Kavanaugh told a judicial conference said he hopes there will be, quote, something soon to address ethics concerns. Joining us is ruth marcus, Associate Editor and columnist from the washington post, not only the author of the book Brett Kavanaugh and the supreme takeover. Lets start with ethics. Public confidence in the trust is low. I guess he has to do it by consensus. He cant order them to do anything. It would be better if he did it by consensus. It would be better if he actually did something. Ive been writing this since all of lart term. Happy first monday. He needs to either impose and let them dissent and say im not going along with this, call their bluff, or get them to agree on something that will take some steps to restore the understandably shaken faith of the public that these justices who have nous mouse power to affect all of our lives, are playing by rules that dont put them in a different category than other government employees, that theyre not taking junkets, not taking private plane trips, not having improper relationships with parties before the court. It is well past time to stop the drip, drip, drip of stories which are not good for the court and not good for the country. Do you see the six conservative justices, the Supermajority Continuing to drop in lockstep . Do you think there might be some divisions . I think thats really the critical question of the term. Two terms ago with the Dobbs Decision and the guns decision, we saw a very energized, almost entirely welded together with the exception of the Chief Justice on the abortion case, six justice, super aggressive conservative majority. Last term we still had a conservative majority. Youre going to have a conservative majority on this court for many years to come, but that conservative majority, at least some of them, were not quite as muscular. We saw the Chief Justice, Justice Kavanaugh and sometimes Justice Barrett as a block of three more moderate still conservative, moderate among the six. The question for this term is whether its going to be more like two years ago or like last term. I think its going to be more like last term. Were watching donald trump. Hes just come out of court. Ruth marcus, hes giving his first reactions i guess to what hes heard. Weve heard a lot from him already today. Ruth, back to you, the constitutionality of laws in texas and florida that would regulate how large social Media Companies like facebook and x, formerly known as twitter, can control content on the sites. The issues there . These are going to be enormously consequential cases for the reason that the Tech Companies and social media are so consequential in their lives. I think these are going to be the kind of cases that dont necessarily split so clearly on partisan ideological lines because at least some of the conservative justices also have some very strong pro First Amendment free speech views. So i think that is going to be one among the many, many interesting cases that were going to see at the court this term in addition to a likely ruling on the legality of the abortion drug, meth pris stone, donald trump to run for president. I dont think theyll declare him ineligible to run. Its going to be another one of these really compelling terms. Thank you so much, ruth marcus. Thanks for celebrating the First Monday In October with us. Thanks. No better place to celebrate. The Nobel Prize In Medicine has been awarded to two american scientists, Carolyn Carrico and drew weissman, leading to the breakthrough that pfizer and moderna could make in covid vaccines. I spoke with carrico and weissman of the University Of Pennsylvania in may of 2021 as the vaccines were bringing down infection rates. I asked dr. Carrico who came to the u. S. From hungary about the possibility of her winning a nobel prize for her work. I dont think about that i will get it. It is like i focus always on the work. Thats what is excites me. The Messenger Rna approach that she and dr. Weissman developed nearly 20 years ago was radically different and met at first with great skepticism. They really didnt care about it. It wasnt until around 2008, 2009 when people started to see the potential. From 1998 to 2008, 2009, all those years, you were in the wilderness. Took another ten years. Mrna and other covid19 vaccines have been administered more than 13 billion times now proving theyre both safe and effective. That does it for this edition of Andrea Mitchell reports. Thanks for being with us. You can follow us at mitchell reports on social media. Katy tur reports starts right now. Clear cleesh. Good day. Im Chris Jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. Donald trumps reputa,
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