Picket line with the United Auto Workers in wayne, michigan. Telling them that they deserve better. Deserve the significant raise you need and other benefits. Lets get it yeah step up for us. Wall street didnt know, the middle class built the country. Unions built the middle class. Thats a fact. So lets keep going. You deserve what youve earned and youve earned a lot more than youre getting paid. That right there, the giant boost for unionized labor and acknowledged the system is out of whack and that workers are just as entitled to success. Done by a man holding the most powerful position in our government. Also though, a man who needs a big boost himself. Because whats good for the gander here is also potentially quite good for the goose. Joining me now to explain, gabe gutierrez. Nbc news correspondent, gray jay, cnbc correspondent covering the auto industry, phil lebeau. All three are in wayne, michigan. We also have peter baker with us. Gabe, im going to begin with you. Were here outside of a plant in wayne, michigan. The president going to a gm plant nearby. I can tell you that Union Workers who he was speaking with this morning were very grateful to see the president coming to michigan. Hes one they hoped he would come here a little sooner. And that really shows the complicated nature of this. You see the video there. Sean fayne Standing Shoulder to shoulder with the president and the president literally with a bull horn talking about solidarity with Union Workers. This is a shift from just a few days ago and the white house is trying to walk this fine line, trying not to antagonize the Auto Companies in their negotiations with the uaw but in the last few days after that invitation to come to michigan by fayne, weve noticed a shift and the president s support is being thrown behind the uaw today and speaking alongside, he said the enemy is not far away but in this area for corporate greed. It was a message that the white house says that President Biden felt that he needed to come here to speak about. You see, you hear the honking behind me. Cars going by this plant. And supporting the Union Workers that have gathered here. Youve been talking to Union Workers and covering this for a while. Tell me what youve been hearing from them and whether their minds were changed . They felt differently about President Biden after he showed up today. Well, look, i think its no secret that it was really a boost for those who have been walking the picket line here. Take a look behind me. You can see outside the ford plant here, they have been excited all day. Weve seen larger crowds than weve seen throughout the strike here and all of them very appreciative for the president s visit. Did it change their minds about whats happening here . Not really. They want to see some results in these negotiations and they say they havent seen that to this point. What it did do, they believe, is really shine a brighter light on everything thats happening here and they say thats important as they continue this fight. Jay, pan back at the people picketing, it doesnt look like many people. Doesnt look like that big of a deal. Are looks deceiving or is this not as big of a deal as its been covered . No, no. It is a huge deal. Weve seen the crowd at this particular gate drop off just a bit but understand that for more than a mile, there are gates just like this along this roadway and there are crowds at every one of those gates, carrying signs, marching back and forth. This has been an important day for them. You talk about the history. Sean fayne talked about why its so important for the union and what they hope to gain from this visit. Without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel would turn thats whats different about Working Class people. Whether were Building Cars or trucks or running Parts Distribution centers, whether were Writing Movies or performing tv shows, whether were making coffee at starbucks, whether its nursing people back to health. Whether its educating students from preschool to college, we do the heavy lift. We do the real work. He believes this visit makes a difference across the board as far as unions are concerned. So, phil, does this drive the big three back to the Negotiating Table with a better offer . Im sure theyre not happy with what was reported by the pool camera. Somebody yelled out should the workers get a 40 raise. Thats what the uaw is asking for. 4. 5 over the next four years. The president appeared to say yes. Now, i could see the white house trying to walk this back in some fashion but it appears he says yes. To put this into context, the uaw wants 40 over four and a half years. The big three with offering 20 or 21 . Its a huge gap. I can tell you from talking with executives at the big three, theres no way they are going to go to 40 . All of them said theres a limit to how high they can go in terms of a raise. If this visit does anything, will it spark more discussion . Absolutely. We know there are active discussions today between ford and the uaw. Having said that, i do not see this being resolved anytime soon. I think the uaw is embolden. I think the president s visit, his comments will make them say were not going to give in. Were going to push for everything we believe in and i think we could see this extended further. Part of what makes it so hard to do reporting out there, all three of you, is the number of cars that are driving by and honking their horns. We see it every few seconds. The protest behind you doesnt like giant. The cars, one after the another, honking. There you hear it. The gallup poll on opinions, it shot up over the past few years. 67 of americans approve of labor unions. A record high of americans, 61 , say unions help rather than hurt the u. S. Economy. They are overwhelmingly in support of these protests, strikes. Does that though push the big three a little bit more than people even the president showing up . Public opinion is not for a ceo right now getting a 40 wage hike while the workers do not. Phil. Theyre not looking at those terms. Heres the way the executives are locking at this. First of all, they dont like these strikes but they have not been pushed to major pain yet. Just 15 of the u. S. Auto production for the big three has been shutdown and its not their most profitable vehicles. Inventory levels remain relatively strong. So if you are an executive, youre not to the point where youre crying uncle, however, you have to look at this and say okay, how much further can we go and still be competitive with foreign automakers and tesla. Before this, the average all in hourly wage for a line worker was 64 to 66 an hour for the big three. For a foreign automaker, their line workers in the u. S. Are making somewhere around 55 an hour. And its estimated teslas line workers are making 45 an hour. So now youre looking at this saying they want more and weve already got this huge gap . How much does that hurt us in terms of competition . Thats the counter to everybody saying sure, give them 30 . 45 an hour to work for the richest man in the world. That says a lot. Let me ask you, jay, about what youre hearing in terms of how long the workers are willing to stay on the picket line. Do you get a sense of whether theyre feeling the pain now and how long they can they can last . I think theres no question that they are prepared to be here for the long haul. Weve talked with several of the striking workers including some just called out last friday who say theyre glad they got the call. They hoped they would be called out initially and they are glad to be on the line and supporting the union. I think they understand this is going to take some time. What a lot of these workers have told me is theyve been making a sacrifice for more than a decade. Returning some of the pay. Returning some of their pension to help. Theyll hold out for as long as necessary to get some of that back. All right. Peter, let me ask you about the politics of this. I started this by saying whats good for the gander also might be good for the goose inverting that saying. President biden needs a goose himself. President biden is known, wants to be known as union joe. He says hes the most Union Friendly president in decades. The uaw is not yet endorsed him. He did show up today. Does this insure hes going to get their endorsement or donald trump shows up tomorrow, hes not going to be on the picket line but he is giving a speech to workers. One of the reasons why donald trump won in 2016 is because he was able to make inroads in the Traditional Democratic constituencies in places like michigan. Working class. Voters decided they werent getting what they wanted and went for trump. Its been a priority for democrats like joe biden to win them back, to say were going to compete for these voters. It should be for us not the republicans as biden would like to say. So hes out there competing. Its why you see him doing something no other president has before. Hes not going to simply surrender michigan. Michigan has been trending toward democrats. He wants to make sure that stay, whether the Union Leadership endorses him or not, hes making a message to the Union Membership and thats what youre seeing. Whats the risk for him . Traditionally, president s dont get you know take one side in a labor strike in a major industry like this because as president , your desire is to keep people relatively happy and keep the economy going. If this strike were to go on for a long period of time, that could endanger the overall economy in a way that obviously would work against his reelection interest. But hes gambling that he can help put pressure on the companies to come to the table and find a way to end this. It is a gamble for him. What about those Approval Numbers i just showed of his handle of the economy . Voters have generally given the economy to republicans recently. Theyve said theyve done a better job of it. The president though is presiding over an economy thats doing pretty well. There was all this talk of a recession. It never came. Jobs numbers are pretty good. Inflation is up but slowing. He cant seem to catch a break in terms of Public Opinion though. No, he cant. Not yet anyway. Part of the argument is white house, give it time. These things are a lagging indicator. Takes a while for people to see in their lives that things are going better than they had been. Inflation is baked in. The prices, inflation has come back down to a more rational level than when it was 9 last year but prices havent come back down. So it will take a while for wages to catch up with the inflation that took a bite out of peoples take home pay. When they start to see that, maybe theyll feel differently. Thats the white houses point of view. Otherwise, the economy has been doing pretty well. Markets are doing well. Wages are starting to make progress against inflation. There are a number of indicators. No recession so far. Well see what happens but for the moment, theres a disconnect between those numbers and how people see the economy. At least in relation to President Biden. Peter, phil, gabe, and jay, gentlemen, all of you, thank you very much for starting us off. Up next, the dilemma facing kevin mccarthy. Keep the government open or save his speakership. Plus, the pressure is on. 18 Senate Democrats have called for indicted senator, bob menendez, to resign including cory booker. What we are hearing on capitol hill. And a judge is deciding whether to dismiss new yorks civil suit against donald trump. The ruling should come down any second now. If he lets it proceed, trial starts next week. Were back in 60 seconds. Starts next week were back in 60 seconds the senate is readying a clean cr. A simple shortterm budget bill. In this case, one without Ukraine Funding that will allow congress a little more time to negotiate a full budget. Thats the easy part. The hard part is whatever is going to happen next. Whatever is going on in speaker mccarthys head right now. Does he put the senates bill to the floor when it comes . If he doesnt, the government will almost certainly shutdown. Joining us now is punch bowl news cofounder, jake sherman, and former Press Secretary for john boehner and nbc news political analyst, brendan buck. He was with john boehner during the 2013 Government Shutdown and ryan during the 2018 shutdown. Youve got a lot of experience, my friend. I know you and jake dont agree on whats going to happen next. Im curious to hear this debate. Jake, this clean cr thats going to come from the senate, is that the likeliest path toward avoiding a Government Shutdown . Lets start with this. Im not convinced it will be clean, as clean as is being reported. We reported this morning the white house does want some ukraine money in this. There are people who are going to push for disaster money. So im not, lets see what this, when this bill comes out, whats in it. Thats number one. Number two, heres where brendan and i disagree sharply in our Text Messages for the last month or so. I think so the house is going to spend all week with spending bills. Theres a chance none are going to pass. Mccarthy is going to try to pass a republican cr. Also includes some Border Provisions. If a clean cr or anything approaching it comes from the senate to the house and mccarthy has to pass it with only democratic votes, hes not going to do that before sunday. I just, i think what hes going to do based on my reporting and we reported this today, hes going to try to amend it and add Border Provisions. I dont think it will be in time to avert a shutdown. Brendan disagrees vehemently with me on this. I really dont at this point sitting here today, i dont know how he averts a shutdown. Youve been reporting on the Government Shutdowns in the past, but brendan, youve within in the room. Tell me why you think jakes wrong. He caused all these Government Shutdowns. I dont know whats going to happen. Ive never seen a situation this frankly screwed up. Heres what should happen. The senate is giving mccarthy an off ramp. It was always going to be very tough pill to swallow, try to jam the house with Ukraine Funding. I think Senate Leaders understood that. Here, kevin, heres a clean cr. You have proven the house is incapable of passing anything. Continuing resolution to keep the government open with republican only voting. Funding bills. It is patently absurd to say that the house is going to be able to pass all of the funding for the rest of the government this week. Now i understand there are people like matt gaetz who dont want to do a spending bill. They want to stay shutdown until all the governments funded. Thats not going to happen. I think mccarthy given this exit ramp should say i understand what you want, but thats absurd. Were going to keep the government open for 45 days so we can work on this together. The sharks are circling. I get it. The weaker You Act In This Moment and the more you let them push you around, its only going to excite them. If im mccarthy, we need more time to figure this out. Im just going to extend the timeline for 45 days. Thats not a big deal. If matt gaetz wants to take him out, this is ridiculous. Isnt it insane where were in the position of keeping the lights on and mccarthy wanted to keep his job . It doesnt have to be that way. I think he can survive a 45day cr. Jake, do you think im wrong . I dont disagree. I think if he were to choose in the unlikely scenario in my estimation. Listen, i dont disagree but what i do think is it will be his second step. I think hes going to have to show some fight here. Have to try to get some Border Provisions in the cr. I think hes not going to be successful. Lets get that out of the way. But i dont think before September 30th hes going to take the move of taking that off ramp. But in my guess is that when he eventually has to cave to that reality, that he needs a cr, a Stopgap Measure and if people try to take him out because of that, id have to imagine there are some democrats whod vote to table that motion or try to support him. I dont know that to be sure but i think thatst the likelihood. I just dont think given all the things that have to happen in the next couple of days that we get to a place by sunday where his first move is taking that off ramp. Just my guess. Jake, i want to ask you about menendez. Weve been talking to democrats and there seem to be rumblings that they might be interested in Helping Mccarthy save his job. Maybe understanding the chaos is not great thing for anybody and also that what comes after mccarthy might be worse. Is it wrong to think about democrats coming to save him . Well, no. Its not wrong. I think theyre not going to get what they want policy wise but i do think that what sits on the other side of a Mccarthy Speakership is not as good for democrats. Let me ask you about menendez. Everybody was waiting to see what cory booker would do. Today, he said menendez should resign. Booker went to bat for him during the last indictment. Were still waiting on what Chuck Schumer might say. Whats going to happen next . Well, schumers going to the floor about now. I dont know that hes going to say anything on this. Heres the signals that im seeing now. Number one, Senate Democratic leadership clearly isnt doing anything to try to tamp down the resignation or the calls for resignation. Thats a telling sign. Number two, its not in menendezs incentive right now to resign. True on capitol hill is that the best time, the worst time to resign is when youve been indicted, you have your seen, its typically a bargaining chip. Thats the maximum that most people follow in the situation that hes in. Ive got no signals that hes imminently stepping down at any point anytime soon. And what happens if he does . Does the governor of new jersey appoint somebody . Yes. His wife has indicated she might be interested in running. So you could have someone close to home. Hes term limited, too, so maybe he would want that seat after that. Jake, brendan, please always bring your online texts arguments to this show. Well just add you to the chain. I would be happy to wake up to a slew of Text Messages arguing what might happen next in congress. Gentlemen, thank you. Coming up next, we need adults in congress who can actually pass things and keep the government open and funded. Just my opinion. What Donald Trumps lawyers are saying about jack smiths request for a gag order in the january 6th case. And the hollywood Writers Strike is over. What is in the deal they reached with the studios and when are we going to get our shows back . Going to get our shows back . Yo . You dont have to take it to the dealer. Bring it to safelite. We do more replacements and recalibrations than anyone else. Customer thank you so much. Tech vo schedule now. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace dad, whats with your toenail . Oh, that. . Im not sure. Its a nail fungus infection. Thats gross its nothing, really. Its contagious. You can even spread it to other people. Mom, come here dont worry about it. 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The judge basically laughed and said what do you mean . Fraud is fraud. It is true that maybe the banks made money off of donald trump but the fact remains in new york it is illegal to falsify business records. So you think the judge is going to let to proceed. Yes. Is it goes to trial monday if it does proceed. In d. C. , a new filing from trumps lawyers. Saying this narrow Gag Order Request from jack smith because they said trumps rhetoric was too much, is an attempt to muzzle trump during the campaign. Theyre arguing free speech. They did not say donald trump cant speak about his case. He can quote from public documents. They want the judge to say stop him from making disparaging, intimidating statements against witnesses, judges. Does he for the judge on this because donald trump will use any ruling against him in this respect to say hes being silenced. I know this is a case that everyone says should be treated like all others but it is a guy thats running for president. A guy that has a giant platform and can cause a lot of harm if he uses that platform to rile people up. Thats why i believe the judge will give a gag order. The harm to the credibility, the Trust Worthyness of the justice department. The problem is for the Perspective Jurors. The prosecution is tainted. The witnesses, he said mike pence, who is a witness. He can say mike pence would make a horrible president. What he cant say is mike pence will be a horrible witness. Dont believe him when he comes and testifies. Donald trump is not a dumb person. Speaking of stuff you can find online because people are angry about this case and donald trump himself, georgia, fulton county, the Perspective Jurors that are going to come in for the first trial on october 23rd with two the witnesses or codefendants, the identities of those jurors will be kept secret. Why. Its a good decision. Particularly before the trial, there has been you know threats or something the judge feels i have to protect these jurors. The judge in the federal trial with jean carroll did the same. We did not learn the identity of those jurors. There is security for those jurors. One last one. This is hunter biden suing Rudy Giuliani over his laptop. Whats the case . Rudy giuliani, if you remember back in 2020, basically bragged about having Hunter Bidens laptop. One thing, he had the external hard drive and has the right to sue. I would be upset if it was going to conflict with his pending case. This has nothing to do with Firearm Possession or alleged tax crimes he committed. Its a privacy thing. Thank you so much. That was quite a few cases. Appreciate it. And knowledge. Coming up, the stage is set for tomorrows debate. The second Republican Debate who did not make the cut this time around and what voters frankly want to hear from those who will on the stage. 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Com im excited to read it and see what it is. It feels good. Theres a reason why we have a tentative agreement. Im glad one log jam was broken and i hope it means the next is going to be broken soon. I love those glasses. The wga and hollywood studios, their deal looks like a go. This was the celebration in los angeles once the news of the deal was announced. Union leadership says the terms are exceptional. Terms that the actors are now studying for their own negotiation. So when are the lights going to come back on in hollywood . Joining us now is matthew bellamy. The terms, the deal, are spectacular. What are the terms . Thats according to the deal. We havent actually seen those terms. Theyre set to reveal them when the leadership votes on whether theyre going to put them in front of the membership for ratification. The early buzz on them is they did get gains in most of the areas that they were fighting for. How big those gains are, we dont know yet, but they did get big advancements on some of the things. Especially from what was Overed On May 1st when they decided to go on strike. So once this deal gets ratified, when could the writers be voting on this and after they vote on it, when are we going to see production turned back on . So, the writers process now is that it will be put before them for a vote assuming the leadership is okay with these terms. In the last strike, it was 94 of the writers that voted voted for the deal. So thats about two weeks it takes to do that. So the writers will be free after that to go back to work. That will probably mean the production on late night shows, on daytime shows. The things that dont need actors can start right then. The bigger question is the actors guild. Sagaftra. They are still on strike and they have not yet started the negotiations with the uds. That could begin as early as next week, but they have to come to a deal before traditional film and television can go back into production. I imane theyre studying the terms of this deal because there was a lot of the same issues between these two unions. Absolutely. They do have distinct issues. The sagaftra Ask On Minimum Wage is about double what the writers are even asking for so thats going to be a big negotiation. But a lot of the things the writers wanted, protections against Ai Exploitation Andhis transparency metric they wanted so they got paid more when their shows did more on streaming, thats similar to what the actors want. The thinking around hollywood is that the writers deal will be a template for what the actors will use to go and negotiate and thus, it could take a lot less time to come to a deal. The best Case Scenario people are talking about is around thanksgiving. So i know you havent seen the terms of the deal and tell me if you cant answer this, but i wonder what this teaches us about the future of the industry . The fact they were on strike for five months and were able to come out with a deal. What does it tell us about what things are going to look like the next five to ten years . Well, the devil will be in the details of this deal. Generally speaking, depends on what you think of unions. If you look at the damage that was done to the economy for almost five months of inactivity, its pretty significant. Billions of dollars. However, the writers have maintained from the beginning that holding out is necessary to continue writing as a profession that middle class people can actually have and it wont just become a situation where theres a couple that are phenomenally wealthy and then everybody else is scraping by. So i think the fact they held out and at least got something here signify that is the Union Process in hollywood does work. We just at the top of the show showed polling, how the American Public feels about unions and majority of, good majority of americans think unions are on the right side and that theyre necessary to keep things fair. Matt, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it. No problem. Coming up next, donald trump is skipping tomorrows Republican Debate. Will his absence matter to voters . Absence matter to voters taking off. But so is your sound engineer. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. Indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. Visit indeed. Com hire you love rich, delicious ice cream. But your stomach doesnt. That disagreement ends right now. Lactaid ice cream is the creamy, real ice cream you love that will never mess with your stomach. Lactaid ice cream. They slept on me for 15 years. Things i collected, pollen, dust, dander. All that time they could have protected me with an allerease mattress protector. 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Do they have a shot at trying to unseat him by having a floor that hes not on . Well, look, it means that they have an opportunity to not have the oxygen sucked out of the room by donald trump, right. Thats what i heard from voters who watched the last debate. They were kind of happy that trump wasnt there because it means they could actually hear from the other candidates. The last debate did kind of move the needle. Nikki haley had a pop. Ramaswami stole the spotlight. These debates matter because there are a few states that are really critical. Iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. Voters in those states are paying really close attention now. Nikki haley right now is probably preparing to take some heat because as you know, once you have momentum, the knives come out. Last time it was ramaswami in the hot seat. The person expecting the most, ron desantis, did not get him. It will be if he does this time around. Hes probably the person with the most pressure on. Hes had the most sort of slip and slide in the polls, so hes got a lot to prove this time around. He needs to create a moment for himself. Dasha burns, thank you very much. Tomorrow, rachel ddow, joy reid and Nicolle Wallace will bring you expert analysis following the second Republican Debate. Thats 11 00 p. M. Eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. Coming up, a new report on how much teens are actually using their cell phones. Why they just cant look away. And what can be done to help break the addiction . Ion . [music playing] subject 1 cancer is a long journey. Its overwhelming, but you just have to put your mind to it and fight. Subject 2 it doesnt feel good because you cant play outside with other children. Subject 3 as a parent, it is your job to protect your family. But here is something that i cannot do. I cannot fix this. I dont know if my daughter is going to be able to walk. I dont know if shes going to make it till tomorrow. 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Even today after losing a child, its still about the hope of tomorrow, because. Childhood cancer has to end. Interviewer please, call or go online right now. [music playing] it was never exactly easy to Pay Attention in school, but now it can be nearly impossible to focus. Why . Because of these godforsaken things. Heres nbc News Senior National correspondent kate snow with some surprising data and what can be done to help curb the addiction. We have known for a while that kids are spending hours and hours on smartphones. But this groundbreaking report is giving us a better understanding of what kind of apps theyre using, at what times, for how long, and how, despite kids best efforts to pull away, a lot of kids and teens get sucked back in. Reporter its a defining feature of a generation, kids constantly scrolling, messaging, playing games, watching videos. Now a new report is shining a light on just how much phones are trying to grab our kids attention. Common sense media tracked the android phones of 200 kids ages 11 to 17 to see what theyre doing. 97 of them use their phones during school hours. Almost 60 use them between midnight and 5 00 a. M. On school nights. And the most striking headline more than half the kids got 237 notifications or more every day, with some receiving more than 4,500. Researchers say snapchat and discord, apps kids use for messaging, sent the most notifications. The Business Model of Social Media Platforms is to keep you on the platform so they can sell you ads. Its an arms race for your attention. Reporter not all notifications are created equal. Teens said its easier to ignore impersonal alerts, but if its from friends, theyre drawn to their phones. Every time somebody sends you a direct message in snapchat, you get a popup. Yeah. Does it make you want to look . Yeah. Reporter this young girl wasnt in the study. But her top social media app is tiktok. What do you love about tiktok . I think that feeling of indulgence when youre, like, scrolling through the videos and how you get so interested and pulled into it, its interesting to me. Reporter she spends a lot of time on the app, which was news to her mother. Im shocked. Reporter a lot of moms, if their kids sat down and told them exactly what theyre doing, would have that feeling. Reporter nbc news reached out to social Media Companies highlighted in the report. Tiktok says it sets a 60minute daily screen time limit on Teen Accounting under 18, but teens can enter a pass code to continue watching. Snapchat and discord said their notifications are similar to text alerts. On snapchat, users have to opt in for notifications. Both say the number can be adjusted. Meta, instagram, and facebooks parent company, tells us it has tools specifically designed to help teens limit their time and minimize notifications. Teens are sent a takeabreak mess aej after a certain period of time. Many kids are trying to set limits. But it doesnt always work. I know the password to it so i can get by the limit. Reporter you reach the limit and do you find yourself putting in the password . Yes, all the time, all the freaking time. Reporter why is that, do you think . I think most of the time im just not done watching a video and im really invested, or, yeah, i just want more time on my phone. Reporter she admits her understanding of social media is limited, making conversations about what app her daughter uses challenging. It is difficult because the new generation, more about these cell phones than my generation. Reporter many parent are with her on that. Common sense is offering questions and talking points to help parents start the conversation, like which apps take up most of their time . What draws them in . Begin with admitting how you use your phone. Its really up to you as a parent to be having an ongoing, i say nonjudgmental discussion with your kids, but also talking about the positive things they can get from interaction on screens, because that is the life kids are living. Every single kid is using their phone differently. Some its gaming, some social media, some are have youtube on all night long because theyre listening to music as kind of white noise as they sleep. We mentioned there is a list of actual questions that parents can use to start the conversation with their own kids. We pulled all that together on today. Com. Back to you. Makes me want to throw this thing into the east river. That does it for me today. Deadline white house starts right now. Hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in new york. Im ali velshi in for Nicolle Wallace. A highstakes battle is unfolding at this moment. What is an expresident with a history of inflammatory remarks allowed to say about the criminal case involving the plot to overturn the 2020 election . Late last night, trumps attorneys filed a response opposing jack smiths request for an order limiting what trump can say about the case. That request is as close to the response is aslo