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At this hour, a president on the picket line. Joe bidens unprecedented show of support for labor ahead of Donald Trumps visit to michigan tomorrow. The major blow to senator bob menendez. Long time friend and senator, cory booker, now among a growing group of democrats calling on him to resign. Plus, the stage is set for the next republican debate. Who made the cut . And the new poll showing momentum for one candidate in a key, early battleground state. And crisis at the border. Nbc news cameras are rolling as hundreds of migrants, including children, Cross The Rio Grande into texas. First, to michigan. Gabe gutierrez is at the nearby plant. Gabe, the uaw president called this an historic moment. Tell us more about it. Hi there, chris. Yes. The president sean feign calling it an historic moment and Standing Shoulder to shoulder with President Biden who seemed somewhat removed. That changed today. President biden using literally a president ial bull horn to give his full throated support of the uaw. Of course, the union demanding among other things a 40 pay increase. President biden at a gm plant not far from here Standing Shoulder to shoulder with those workers. Take a listen at some of what he had to say. Save the Automobile Industry back in 2008 and before. Made a lot of sacrifices. Gave up a lot. And companies were in trouble. But now theyre doing incredibly well. And guess what. You should be doing incredibly well, too. Yeah that is something weve been hearing from the white house the last several days. This idea that the u. S. Auto industry, these Union Members sacrificed during the tough Economic Times in 2008 and 2009. I was actually covering the uaw at this time. I worked at a local station in flint and those were very dark times in the u. S. Auto industry around gms bankruptcy. Well, now, the white house and uaw leadership to kind of shake up the status quo, President Biden saying that these workers now deserve a share of those profits and again, as you just hear the support from those cars driving by here, honking in solidarity with these workers, President Biden throwing his full throated support today behind the uaw. Something no president has done to this extent before. Chris . Gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. The calls for senator menendez are growing today within his own party as senators return to washington. Sahil, has anyone seen him on the hill and what are his fellow democrats saying now . Not yet. We have not seen senator menendez on the hill today, chris, but the dam is certainly breaking among Senate Democrats when it comes to his future. We can now count that 18 Democratic Senators who are calling on menendez to resign after these jarring allegations in the indictment. You see the names on the screen. The most notable is cory booker. The other democratic senator from new jersey who said the allegations have shaken the faith and trust of the people of new jersey. He says quote, stepping down is not an admission of guilt but an acknowledgment that Holding Public office often demands tremendous sacrifices at great personal costs. The senator has made these sacrifices to serve in the past. In this case, he must do it again. Again, thats Cory Booker Calling On his fellow new jersey senators to resign. Among that, we have other Democratic Senators including those up for reelection in red states calling on menendez to resign. Sherrod brown in ohio. Jon tester in montana, saying that he does not have the right to continue to be a senator if he is not trusted. You need allies. You need people to cosponsor your bills. People to vote with you. If Democratic Senators no longer believe that, it calls into question. One other person calling on Me Nen Menendez to step aside is nancy pelosi. Right now, sadly, because of the challenges we face, is skepticism about governance, the Republican Party that doesnt believe in governance, doesnt believe in science. Wants to take down everything in order to give tax breaks to the wealthiest. Weve got to stay focused on that and for that reason, it would probably be a good idea if he did resign. Now, look, pelosi understands the power of this issue. She ran for the first time in 2006 against what she calls a republican Culture Of Corruption. It also has a connection to 2024. A lot of democrats want to run and present themselves as the party of good government, clean government, contrasted with what they will call Donald Trumps Culture Of Corruption and criminality with the allegations that he is facing. Having someone like menendez out there with these accusations of bribery is not consistent. Is that Speaker Mccarthy behind you now . So, if you want to go, if theres some new information and you want to come back to us, please let us know and we will go back to you. Thank you for that. The stage is set for tomorrow night when the republican candidates for president will debate in california. Just as new polling shows some Actual Movement in the race. Nbcs dasha burns joins us now. Tell us who made the stage and where this race, at least as we know it, stands right now. Well, chris, youre going to have a very similar lineup to the first republican debate. The one person who did not make the cut is former governor asa hutchison. He didnt make it this time. He says he is going to stay in the race though, but look. This is a date this is important because we saw from the last time that things did shuffle a little bit after that first debate. You saw nikki haley pop. She is now polling second in that critical first primary state and were looking to see how much heat she gets on the debate stage tomorrow night because she is now gaining that momentum. And because this is sort of a moment where these candidates are able to have their time without trump on the stage taking up that oxygen and there are few people watching who are in these states that really do matter. Where voters are paying attention. This is something that can move the needle. Im really looking forward to what ron desantis is going to do because hes had the most slide in the polls and so he really needs to have a moment here. We saw in a memo sent around to donors and supporters that was shared with nbc news that was sort of the campaign critical of former President Trump on abortion, on his strategy in states like iowa and was talking about how others, other candidates might throw some false attacks around but that the governor is going to be focused on the mission. So kind of giving a preview of what we might see from the florida governor. Again, candidates are prepping right now for something that could potentially move the needle. We havent seen it cut into former President Trumps lead, but we have seen debates sort of shake up for the candidates that are on that stage, chris. Well see what happens. Dasha burns, thank you. Now to the new video captured by nbc news showing the crisis at the southern border up close. Julia ainslie just got back from the border. Were coming off a record breaking month in migration. Tell us what you saw there. Thats right. I just got back from seeing those scenes there yesterday. Overall in august, there were 300,000 migrants who crossed both northern and southern borders. That is a record high that is even topping the Record Set Back in december. And so now what were looking at as were getting back to really the same highs we saw before title 42 lifted. Where those covid19 restrictions. After they lifted, there were other policies put in place thought to be more restrictive. We saw a dip from 11,000 a day to as many as 3 to 4,000 ill crossings a day. Now theyre up to about 11,000 overall. That includes some who might make an appointment to come in for an asylum claim. By and large, were seeing a humanitarian crisis. We stood there throughout the day as we saw more and more migrants come through. As many as 100 migrants came through carrying children over their heads then Border Patrol agents were faced with a life or death decision. They had to see hundreds of migrants wading in the water behind layers and layers of this wire that the Texas Governor has put up and decide are they going to let them in. Eventually, they did. They cut the wires so no one would be hurt or drown in the water or pass out from heat exhaustion. Still 100 degrees down there. We see people who were exhausted, cheering, crying. Every level of emotion. Then theyre quickly processed and taken to a Processing Center where theyll either be released with a court date or removed. Motive are released with court dates. Its really a matter of time as these numbers continue to build to see what might happen next. Im told that as these months go on in the fall, we should be looking at more and more migrants starting to cross the border. I couldnt stop watching your coverage. It was exceptional. Thank you so much. Kevin mccarthy stuck between the speakership and the hard place. Were back in 60 seconds with the tough decisions ahead as the clock ticks toward a Government Shutdown. D as the clock ticks toward a Government Shutdown with fastsigns, Brew Signature Flavor into every sip and sign. Fastsigns. Make your statement. [bones cracking] tense music one aleve works all day so i can keep working my magic. Just one aleve. 12 hours of uninterrupted pain relief. Aleve. Who do you take it for . House speaker Kevin Mccarthy faces what could be a Career Altering Decision this week. Keep his job as speaker or team up with democrats to keep the government open. With just four days left before a Government Shutdown, hes still battling gop hard liners who are being cheered on by former President Trump. I want to bring in colorado republican congressman, ken buck, a member of the House Freedom caucus. Four days left. I dont have to tell you that. We have a clock going. Four days, nine hours, 47 minutes. At this point in time, do you believe that a shutdown can be averted or is that unlikely . I think a shutdown can be averted. I think there are a number of possible paths to avoid a shutdown and i certainly hope as does everyone that i know that we avoid a shutdown. The New York Times dubbed that group of republicans the Wrecking Ball caucus. I wonder what youre saying to your constituents back in colorado about whats happening . I looked it up. Your state has i think close to 37,000 federal workers. Just for starters. Some of them will be out of a paycheck. A lot of them. What are you hearing from back home . I hear a lot of things. I hear one that my constituents are very concerned about government spending. They realize we cannot continue to go down the path were going down. This is the 27th year in a row that we will fail to pass Appropriations Bills in congress. Thats democrat leadership, republican leadership, democrats in white house. Republicans in the white house. It doesnt matter. This place is broken and we need to stop spending the way we are. We need to get spending under control and it should be the top priority. The constitution gives congress the power of the purse. This should be the top priority for congress. Not running investigations. Not running all these bills that are Messaging Bills we send to the senate to die. But doing our job and getting spending under control. Does the buck stop at the top . Does Kevin Mccarthy still have the ability to govern . I want to respectfully disagree with your i think that in some ways, Kevin Mccarthy could have done a better job and he will be judged on that. We know when September 30th is. Weve known it for months. It comes after September 29th and after September 28th and we have not passed bills we needed to pass long before the august recess. The other important thing to note, when we have a problem with the debt ceiling, it goes fll the last day. Now were facing the same situation. Its really crisis management. Its a problem with the way we govern and it should stop. We should be arguing in may and june and not wait until the last week of september to have our disagreements aired in public. If i can, congressman, go back to my first question. If a shutdown is to be avoided, realistically, what does that look like . I think tonight we will pass a rule. I hope we will pass a rule. Ill certainly support the rule for four different bills. Late tonight, about 11 00 eastern time, we will vote on and i believe pass amendments to those four Appropriations Bills then tomorrow morning, we will pass those four Appropriations Bills. Thats the first step. The second step is to actually look at the cr. Debate the cr. And do our very best to pass this continuing resolution so we dont shut down government. Thats going to happen on wednesday, thursday of this week. Many millions of americans watching and hoping youre right in your optimism. Congressman ken buck. Thank you. Appreciate you coming on. Thank you. Hunter biden is suing former trump attorney rudy giuliani, accusing him of hacking, sharing, and tampering with data from his infamous laptop in what the suit claims was a Total Annihilation of bidens privacy. Tom winter is looking into this. What else is he alleging here. Well, basically saying, one of the members of his legal team has told me theres this idea of the original sip of this laptop. Theyre not confirming here in this filing that in fact the story that has been out there that has been well reported on including by this News Organization that a copy of Hunter Bidens laptop. A hard drive copy was sent to the attorney for giuliani and from there, giuliani disseminated to various News Organizations or through his representatives. One of those organizations is us that it was reported on. But in that process, they didnt protect his privacy. They accessed this information. They say theres violations of federal and California State Law in filing this lawsuit in california. And that they manipulated or accessed or altered the types of things that were on this hard drive. So thats their main focus. Basically what theyre saying and they filed a number of lawsuits now including against Darren Zeigler whos published through a website that he has pretty much the entirety of this hard drive that had been turned over. They filed a separate lawsuit involving the irs. A real effort by bidens legal team to basically go after the folks that have put out so much of the private information of hunter biden. Thats on one side. The other side is what weve reported is that robert costello, the attorney for rudy giuliani, was contacted by mick isaac. Said look, if youve legally obtained this and he said look, after a certain amount of time when hunter biden didnt show up for his stuff, it became my possession. Thats how they said they had it and disseminated that information. Theyre not sure how thats not anything thats protected by current law. It will be interesting to see how this case plays out. Biden, as you can imagine, clearly upset about the invasion into his privacy. But the question is also raised. Do you want to keep yourself in the news at this point. This is something that they thought was all going to more or less go away. I think theres a two handed if youre hunter biden and his attorneys, its not going away because congress is going to continue to bring us into it, publish my stuff, continue to talk about it. Case in point, the discussion were having now. On the other hand is perhaps the view our White House Team and our reporters and full team that covers this have looked at it from a political calculus. Were having this conversation. Were not talking about, you talked about what the president was doing with the auto workers earlier, but this is now reporting back on another side of this in another side of the biden family. I think thats a political calculation and outside of my lane for sure but it is something in a discussion that i think is very occurring. Tom winter, always great to have you. Thank you. Up next, a make or break moment for republicans. Former trump aide talks about why this is a Pivotal Moment for the country in an exclusive interview with rachel maddow. 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Why do you think your fellow republicans want him more than they want anybody else as their next candidate for the white house . Want speak to the psyche of my, i wouldnt say my fellow republicans because i do not think we are part of the same Republican Party. I do not believe that mr. Trump is a strong republican, but in this next election cycle, in my opinion, its the make or make moment for the Republican Party. Now is the time if these politicians, these men and some women that are currently in congress, want to make the break and want to take the stand, they have to do it now. We cant wait any longer for them to do it. After the boo and before the interview, a spokesman for meadows provided a statent which reads in part, much of her claims in this book about mr. Meadows or otherwise are filled with half truths, falsehoods and purposefully omitted context to sell books. Ryan nobles joins us from washington. It was quite an interview last night, ryan. She also described classified documents just being casually carried in a shopping bag then that race by meadows to declassify other documents. Tell us more. This is going to be an important part of the Special Counsel issue of trying to remove classified documents from the safe spaces in the white house then the accusations of his careless protection of them at maralago. She could be a key player. She said shes had conversations with the Special Counsel and this is what she talked about with rachel about the way mark meadows took care of these documents in the closing days of the white house. You then describe mr. Meadows at 11 45 a. M. On Inauguration Day asking the Secret Service how quickly they can get to the Justice Department because he wants to try to declassify something literally in the last 15 minutes when donald trump is president. Joe biden was about to be sworn in. What was that about . What was he trying to do . That specific binder was pertinent to cross fire hurricane. Bringing it back to next years election, these people very well could be in power again. And do we want people who have already shown theyre willing and want to overthrow an election. And so of course republicans have obvious believed that she is not a credible witness when it comes to issues like these. That she has a vendetta against the former president but her testimony is compelling. She was one of the sfar witnesses and if she is in contact with the Special Counsel, she is someone in the proverbal room where it happens. She said in the interview with Rachel Last Night that she has been in contact with the Special Counsel and if called to testify that she would be willing to do that and do so truthfully. Chris . Ryan nobles, thank you so much. Voters, tired of The Same Old Story on capitol hill. The caricatures that are capturing growing concerns over the countrys aging leaders. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. S jansing reports only on msnbc. 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What are young people or any voter for that matter to make of 77 and 80yearold president ial candidates, a house where the median age is 58 and senate where the median age is 65 . Chris, first of all, youre running for president. Sometimes people got to get a little older. Not in all cases. Kennedy was i think 43 years old. Churchill was i think 77. The second time he was elected. Left at 81. Meier, the great Prime Minister of israel was i think in her 80s. With age can come wisdom. But i think, chris, that age has to reflect some other things. What are your ideas . Have you been exercising . Are you fit . Are you getting enough sleep . What about your clothes . Who do you hang out with . Just because you have a number doesnt mean you have to quote, be old. Were saying all the time. I saw the White House Press secretary said bidens 80. Thats the new 40. I dont think we can quite say that. But look, if you are with it, if youre fit, if you have ideas, if you have enthusiasm, you can belie your age. Ive got a warning to everybody out there and that is you should hope youre, that youre going to be lucky enough or fortunate enough to get old. Right . Yeah. Lets just not throw them away because theyre older but with age does come wisdom. My dad used to say any day he wakes up and he didnt see his name in the obituaries was a good day. When people got daily newspapers, i have to say. I want to go back to your first point. One of the most iconic moments in debate history was in 1984 when a 73yearold reagan was asked about his age. I want you to know that also, i will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponents youth and inexperience. Mondale laughed there. Diffused what had seemed like a threat to him. So why is it so different now . Well, i think part of it is because were not seeing really whole ideas. Say what you want. Bernie Sanders Sanders still attracts a lot of young people. Why . Because he kind of goes with it. Hes kind of hip. Hes out there. Got these ideas. It catches peoples attention. The real key for biden to be able to avoid the criticism of his age is not just the way he looks but also what are the ideas that he has . What is he excited about . Enthusiastic about . Sometimes you wonder does somebody else have them . I wouldnt say that. But i think if he can project enthusiasm, he can project new ideas then he can begin to work against that issue of age. I really believe that. Just because youre older doesnt mean youre not with it. It doesnt mean you dont have judgment. That you have certain amounts of energy. Youre not going to be like somebody 40 years younger but it doesnt mean you ought to just be put out to pasture. I just dont agree with that. Theres a New Washington post absolutely poll that shows voters are a lot more concerned about bidens age that trumps. 74 to 50 but just yesterday, trump confused the bush he ran against, jeb, with the former president. George w. Lets listen to that. You know the beauty was when i came here, everyone thought bush was going to win then they took a poll and found out trump was up by about 50 points. Everyone said whats beginning on. Bush supposedly was a military person. He got us into the middle east. How did that work out, right . He also said, often says things that arent true, that windmills are causing whales to die. So why its our eyes, chris. Its our eyes. Look, we look at people and we look at the way they move and we decide you know, it kind of clicks inside our brain who looks older and who doesnt. You know, for some reason, theres other reasons why i guess if you really drilled down, trump just doesnt, we dont think of him as old. Some people do. I was in the gym today. I asked the question to some of the people what they thought and some people said oh, no, theres no difference between the two of them but the poll indicates that people are not seeing age as a factor as much they do with biden. Thats just where we are right now. Again, i think that biden can begin to mitigate the age idea if he can show some real passion and some real things he really cares about and projects. Look, you think about churchill. Look at what he was able to do. He projected. Thats really the key i think for being able to mitigate the issue of age and again, tom friedman had a column in the New York Times about how biden used his age and experience to really teach netanyahu about what needed to be done for developments in the middle east. That was friedman, who can be critical of biden came out and said in that case, wisdom won the day. Former governor kasich, love having you on the show as you know. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. 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The nations opera company, brings it to the stage about the life of sister Helen Prejean and her friendship with a Death Row Inmate in louisiana who was ultimately executed. Sister prejean joins Me Along With Civil Rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. Good to have both of you here. Youre a teacher. When you became one of the leading voices for this issue in the country if not the world, you said it happened after you learned about the other america. What was the other america that you found, sister . Yeah, well when i read the gospel of jesus more closely and he talked about justice for the poor, i moved out of the suburbs and into the inner City Of New Orleans and thats where American People became my teachers. I knew nothing but white privilege. I was never scared when a policeman stopped me but black people, everything was different. All the rules were different. And it opened my heart. It woke me up. Thats how i awakened to justice. Then one day, i got an invitation, hey, sister, you want to write to a man on death row . I want, yeah, i could write some letters. And thats how the whole thing started. Well, it went pretty far because you developed a close friendship and ultimately he was put to death. This is notn unusual story. 1576 women have been gassed, shot, Elect Row Cuted and lethally injected since the 1970s. Weve seen the failures of lethal injection. We see this debate in arkansas now about killing inmates with only nitrogen. What goes through your mind and what did you learn about people who were on death row . First of all, i learned theyre human beings and this is the recent evolution and the teaching the catholic church. No matter how terrible a Crime A Human Being does, hes still a human being that has dignity. Most of the people i met have had terrible childhoods. They had experienced violence as children and later they worked that violence on somebody else and then the state is going to execute them. I also learned that this system of death, only poor people are chosen. Overwhelmingly, its when you kill white people. Everything about it i started learning. It makes a huge amount of difference what lawyer you have by your side when you go to your trial for your life. And none of it works. For every eight people weve executed in this country, that total you just gave, one has had to be freed because we made another mistake. There have been 193 wrong decisions because the truth doesnt come out at trial. If you dont get all the facts out to that jury, the fact finder, then they make a decision according to what they have and you make mistakes all the time. We cant handle this thing. And the vast majority are black. Yes. Almost always for killing someone who was white. Not when a black person dies. The key thing to keep your eye on, who cares about the victim that was killed and 80 or 75 all people on death row. Its because they killed a white person that has status in society. It is a natural human reaction, right . Right. People hurt us, hurt people we love, we want to hurt them. So what do you say to the families . Yeah, well i dont say much to the families other than is there any way i can help you because i havent experienced their pain and they need a lot of help. Their marriages break up. They lose their jobs. They need a lot of assistance, a lot of support. What the state offers them is an average wait is 17 years. You wait, were going to sit you on the front row. Kill the one that killed your loved one. You get to watch it and thats going to heal you and give you justice. Look how morally bankrupt that is. The support for the Death Penalty in this country right before Dead Man Walking was 80 . Since you started to shine a light on this, its 55 . So significantly lower. Is it your hope that this Metropolitan Opera production that were going to see tonight and that will continue. I think we have some video of it. There you see it. Will bring this back in the way weve also been seeing headlines that people will Start Talking about this . Yeah, like the movie of Dead Man Walking did that. Yeah, you know what im happy about . Opera is the fullness of art because people are going to see live drama and it opens with everybodys going to see the murder. And maybe youll know who did it so youre not using any moral energy. You know he did it, you dont like him and hes not remorseful and you want to see him die. Thats the audiences journey and thats the irony of my character. I thought tim robins was running the movie, the nun is in over her head. I was. I come from Teaching Religion to being on death row. Its going to be shown in times square. Its going to go to 20 countries in Movie Theatres in october so its going to get the story out. Because you know what, chris . The Death Penalty is pretty much a secret ritual. Only a few choice witnesses go behind those prison walls and theres a saying from latin america. What the eye doesnt see, the heart cant feel and thats my job. Ive been witness, accompanied six people to excuse. Ive been the families and seeing their struggle toward healing and were going to pull the curtain back through art in every way and the opera does it in a very full way. Charles, youve been deeply involved in these issues of Racial Disparity and civil rights for a very long time. Do you see a way forward in this . And when you see the Death Penalty, when you hear about the Death Penalty, what do you see . I think the biggest thing that serves as an impediment to understanding is information. People dont necessarily understand how the system works and there are a number of different holes and gaps that we were just talking about that people are generally unaware of. For example, there is no requirement for a prosecutor to have dna evidence to convict someone of a Capital Punishment crime. When you couple that with the notion that cross racial identification has been proven to be consistently unreliable, you now create a situation where a jury maybe gives a decision about someones life based off a firsthand account by someone who did not necessarily have the strongest identification skills. That is a problem. The standard for convicting someone is beyond a reasonable doubt. Its not beyond any doubt. The significance of that is when youre making decisions with irreversible consequences, you cant afford to be wrong. Now when you couple an additional societal issues around race, socioeconomic class, the access that people have to actually have qualified representation, all of these things play a role into why the Death Penalty is so controversial in addition to the fact that in many respects, it has become a political issue, chris. 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