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But first, we begin this hour with the very latest update on hurricane hillary. National Weather Service forecasters have died rated hillary to a category two hurricane. Theyve estimated sustained winds at a maximum of 110 miles per hour. Just moments ago, California Governor Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency, had expected landfall tomorrow afternoon. The california Emergency Management officials warning that there will be Power Outages across Southern California as a result of the storm. According to nbc news is weather unit, up to ten inches of rain in just one day is expected in the santa rosa mountains. That is east of san diego, and mud and rock slides are also expected. Were going to follow this story, bringing you more updates on the trajectory of the storm as we get into our newsroom throughout the evening. Shifting gears, we want to talk about some Breaking News out of the state of georgia. Ex Trump White House Chief Of Staff mark meadows, of course, you may recall, he is one of trumps 18 codependent in the Georgia Election interference case. Hes just filed a motion to dismiss the charges against him, citing president ial immunity. The filing reads, quote, as a federal official at the time of the charged conduct, he is immune from State Prosecution under the Supremacy Clause of the federal constitution. The filing reads, meadows also argues that the charges should be dismissed based on the first and 14th Amendments. Were going to get reaction on that in just a moment, what that means for the case, perhaps others. But we do want to take a step back for a moment and look at the dangerous game donald trump and his allies are playing here. They are launching relentless hateful attacks on the men and women investigating him, and the judges adjudicating his cases. Of course, he is called the special counsel jack smith deranged, and a trump hater. He has smeared Fulton County District Attorney fani willis as corrupt, incompetent, and bizarrely racist. He has posted a barrage of attacks against the newest target, his newest target i should note, judge tanya chutkan, assailing her as highly partisan. Very biased and unfair, and baselessly asserting she obviously wants me behind bars. As the New York Times notes, lawyers have said that if the former president were an ordinary citizen, issuing these attacks, he would be in jail by now. We cannot draw a direct line between trumps words on the reactions of others, i want you to consider this for a moment. A texas woman was arrested, she has been charged this week with threatening to kill judge chutkan. In addition to referring to judge chutkan as a quote, slave, this woman in a Phone Message left at the Federal Courthouse in washington, said, quote, you are in our sights. We want to kill you. If trump doesnt get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. So tread lightly. Awful. Chilling. Disgusting remarks. It comes just a week after the fbi shot and killed a man in utica, who allegedly made online threats to kill President Biden in manhattan d. A. Alvin bragg, while serving a warrant on his home. And this trend is not limited to public officials. This week, nbc news reports that a fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury, that just indicted trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the election. The Fulton County Sheriffs Office says that its aware that this information is being shared online, and quote, our investigators are working closely with locals and federal Law Enforcement agencies to track down the origin of the threats. Now, the atlanta Fbi Field Office says that it is working with the Sheriffs Office. Again, we could not directly linked donald trump to these actions, but lets be very clear here. Not just rhetoric. These words have consequences. One of the other consequences might actually come in the form of accountability. Donald trump being published for his attacks. As writes in the Washington Post, donald trump seems intent on testing the rules that apply to tampering with witnesses and intimidate judges. Despite being warned about such things, he has shown no signs of falling down. Effectively daring the legal system to do something about it. And in early august, in Federal Court in washington d. C. , Magistrate Judge told trump that his most important condition of release was not committing a state federal or local crime while on release. Now, if trump were to do so, she warned a warrant could be issued for his arrest, and he could be detained pending that trial. On monday, trump posted something to social media that certainly could be interpreted as violating that most important condition of release, because just a few hours before the Georgia Grand Jury voted to indict him, the now defended posted, i am reading the report that the failed former Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan will be testifying before the Fulton County grand jury. He shouldnt. And as a glenn kirschner, a colleague and friend of the show writes for msnbc. Com, here we have trump publicly telling a witness who he knew was scheduled to testify before a grand jury investigating his alleged crimes, that the witness should not testify. Cutting right to the chase, this is trump taking a page out of the Witness Tampering for dummies playbook. Georgia state law criminalizes attempts to influence witnesses, specifically georgia code 16 ten 93, makes it unlawful to knowingly use intimidation or threats to persuade or attempt to persuade another to influence delay or prevent the persons testimony in an official proceeding. So now, trump adds to an already distinguished criminal resume, by allegedly attempting to influence a witness in apparent violation of both state and the conditions of his pre trial release. As Grand Christian writes, this is only the beginning of a convoluted and lengthy process of justice for donald trump. Those involved have a responsibility to apply the law equally, without fear or favor, otherwise his brazen floating of conventions, not to mention laws, may only get worse. Joining me now are erin hayes, a Founding Member and editor at large at the 19th, in a bow, or a law correspondent, and Chief Executive Officer at the new georgia project. Its great to have all three with you, thank you for making time for us. Anna, i want to get your thoughts on this Breaking News that we just had into our newsroom. Mark meadows moving to dismiss the charges against him entirely. Not just to have the moved to Federal Court, but now hes saying he shouldnt even be charged for anything he did, because of the Supremacy Clause of the constitution. Right. So meadows is arguing that under Supremacy Clause, immunity, because he was fulfilling his federal duties as the former Chief Of Staff during the time of the alleged conduct, he therefore cannot be held accountable under a State Prosecution. Whether or not that is successful, i think is something thats being debated right now by lots of folks that im speaking to. There are many different opinions on this, some say he had no chance at success on this, and others saying it is not so clear. What i will say is out of all these defendants, meadows likely has the strongest claim to supplement the clause immunity, because the acts that are articulated in the indictment involve things that, if construed one way, a Chief Of Staff usually would do. Things like setting up a phone calls or kind of taking directions from the president. So, while meadows will try to focus on really narrowly focusing on that kind of conduct, i think we will see a motion or filing from fani williss office that shows how this was all part of the conspiracy thats alleged in the indictment, that is alleged to seek to overturn the results of the election. So, i think that its a little bit tough to tell right now how much this will succeed. But, to be determined. So, tough to tell how quickly it will succeed. But, do we know how it plays out in terms of timeline . I mean, we just got this motion of being filed tonight. I believe weve learned about it tonight. Do you have any sense, anna, how it plays out over the next couple of days, when might the judge Schedule A Hearing about that or when is fani willis expected to respond to it . Right. So thats one of the unusual things about this filing, coming now. Because mark meadows is seeking to move his state Court Criminal prosecution to Federal Court, and that motion is still pending before the federal judge, judge steve jones. That has not been decided yet, and in the usual process of things, you would first file a motion to remove, have that decided, and then filed this motion to dismiss. However, meadows seems intent on speeding up the process, he makes the claim that as a part of removal analysis, the judge also has to decide whether or not he could potentially have these charges dismissed under the immunity claims that he has raised. And so therefore, he wants the judge to decide these things together. Hes requested a hearing and has a hearing on the Removal Matter Set for august 28th, so its to be seen whether the judge will set a Scheduling Order for the motion to dismiss as well, we dont know a whole lot at this point how the timing will end up working, and how those things will coincide. All right, well certainly keep an eye on that and see if theres any developments on it. Erin, let me get your thoughts on what i started out this segment with. The premise of words having consequences, because as we have seen, the threats in recent weeks against alvin bragg, now judge chutkan, they have real life consequences for the people on the Receiving End of those threats. Talk about this pattern that is emerging here, and what this means for us as a country and a nation that our Law Enforcement officials and members of our court, and people who investigate those in power, are receiving these types of Death Threats. Yeah, well first of all, ayman, its good to be with you and on a panel of current and former georgians, but look. You are so right to be praising exactly the issues that you are raising, because this case is not just about former President Trumps deal for innocence. One of the issues at the center of all these cases, is what kershner raised in his piece, whether there really is equal justice under the law. We had District Attorney fani willis and others saying, despite being a former president , trump is not Above The Law and that he shouldnt receive special treatment. And this is why you have people raising the question of whether his behavior would be permissible if you were any other defendant. As president , we saw trump constantly floating norms, but this isnt about norms. We cant move into this legal arena, and trump may find that these judges are not as productiveing as a court of public opinion. And if i could just make one more point, because you brought it up. These latest developments to highlight the on light and the question of trumps culpability in either provoking or promoting or condoning that type of violence, whether implicitly or explicitly. I mean, not only is he continuing to rile up his supporters by falsely claiming that the 2020 election was stolen, hes inviting them along in his legal war. And so is not just going to be about rhetoric . Or is that going to go further . And really, can we afford to find out . To your point, he basically docked former president obama by putting his address and lo and behold a couple of weeks later a man shows up outside his house with guns and ammunition, and the Secret Service had to be involved. So the dangerous thing here is, yes, its dangerous for the officers of our judicial system, but then you also have the private information of a grand jurors that is being shared online, that is being weaponized by Trump Supporters. And ive got to say, this is tragically par for the course. In georgia, if youre trying to do your civic duty. , yeah, it is. Thanks for having me on this evening. You guys are going to ruby freeman and shaye moss. These are Public Servants you try to do the jobs. And we have someone, a perch in the bully pulpit of the presidency, take that bully to heart. And set there and cast aspersions on his when and they had nothing wrong. When in fact, he was the one with between the 20 election. We have him on tiptoeing. So and that is the problem he has right now. He cant wriggle out of this one. It is historical that a southern state, georgia, has stepped up behind d a fani willis who has simply gone where the facts have laid her. This is not partisan, this is not anyone attacking this man. This is him being held accountable. He was indicted by a jury of his peers, and that is what the court system is for. And i know we talked about, oh, is there a difference for president s . No there is not. Because what i know, and every black and brown person knows in this country, that if barack obama had been caught on tape called the secretary of state, asking him to look for votes to overturn a duly executed election, he would be indicted, he would have been indicted immediately. He would have been arrested. And so, i am just so proud to be in georgia right now. I am proud that d. A. Willis has said her ego aside. She is not concerned about the aspersions being cast. This man got on social media and said that she was sleeping with a gang member. There is no low. There is nothing too low for him. And so this is something that we georgians feel like is just a little bit of retribution and it is my sincere hope that ruby freeman and shaye moss, even though we cant rogue at the trauma that has befallen them, i hope they see now that at least someone is fighting on their behalf. I certainly hope the local fails on that and their privacy is respected. And, if donald trump were as pretty much any other person in america, not even president obama, for that matter, at what point would his efforts that were seeing right now to intimidate witnesses, to harass and threaten judges, to disparage District Attorneys result in him being put behind bars . This would not be a conversation were having if anyone else in this country was making those comments. Youre right, its not a conversation we would be having with any other criminal defendant. Its difficult to say where the line is for some of his touches. You know, theyre all going to have different considerations in mind. I think with judge chutkan, its likely will be the case that she will wait until the Department Of Justice makes a motion on the matter, instead of doing something on her own accord. However, she has said that this inflammatory rhetoric will potentially calculate into how fast the trial schedule goes, so that could be something that trump needs to be thinking about, its also the case that, you know, all these statements whether or not they open him up to additional criminal liability, they are things that could be included in a recent investigation report. And if he is convicted of federal crimes, then that could be something that the judge takes into consideration when imposing a sentence. So i certainly think that his legal team is probably advising him to temper his rhetoric and whether or not he will continue this pattern, i dont know. But it seems like if past is present for told, it seems like he will continue. So we will see where the line is in the future. And about, kendrick, and thank you to both of you for joining us and starting us off tonight. Erin, please stick around. Well speak to twitter in the program. 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In the days weeks and months following his election loss, trump and his allies employed a desperate scheme to hold on to power, with no consideration for the innocent people they took down along the way. Of course, there is georgias publican savory of state, Brad Raffensperger, who earned the ex president ire after he refused to help trump and his allies find enough votes to win the election. Raffensperger would soon find his commitment to democracy and the rule of law, basically came with a state cost. His wife told reuters healthy threats and intimidation from Trump Supporters first family into hiding for almost a week in late november, the harassment continued for months. Often in the form of threatening text messages, including this text that raffensperger toddlers, she received in april 2021 reading, quote, we plan for the death of you and your family every day. There is of course gabriel sterling, back in december of 2020, hes a republican senior election official who held the Emotional Press Conference at the state capital, in which he recounted the Death Threats and abuse he and others had endured in the weeks since the election. Sterling even cold at the President Trump directly and cautioned what could happen if the violent violent rhetoric continued. Someone will get hurt. Someone will get shot. Someone will get killed. Perhaps no two people born the pride of trumps big lie and georgia more than these two. Ruby freeman and shaye moss. In the days after the election, the mother daughter duo, both atlanta election workers, found themselves at the center of one of the most persistent conspiracies spread by trump and his allies. Using selectively edited video, trump and Rudy Giuliani claimed that freeman and moss committed voter fraud by pulling out fraudulent ballots permissive case on election night. Giuliani also sit freeman and moss were present u. S. Patriots containing votes, quote, like vials of heroin or cocaine during ballot counting operations. Trump had referred to the two women more than a dozen times during his call with raffensperger, falsely Colin Freeman a professional vote scammer and hustler. Despite Georgia Election officials in the middle east about this ever just claims, the lies spread and spread and spread in conservative media like wildfire. Last year, freeman and moss testified before incinerate six committee. And they shared how the ex president s dangerous Information Campaign merely destroyed their lives. Watch. I started my life upside down. I no longer give out my business card. I dont transfer calls. I dont want anyone knowing my name. I dont want to go anywhere with my mom, because she might yell my name at over the Grocery Aisle or something. There is no way i feel safe. Nowhere. Do you know how it feels to have the president of the United States to target you . The president of the United States is supposed to represent every american. Not to target one. But he targeted me. Lady ruby. A Small Business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen, who stand it up to help folks and county run an election in the middle of the pandemic. Im like Brad Raffensperger and gabriel sterling, officers of the state, ruby freeman and shaye moss didnt ask for this national spotlight. They didnt run for public office. They didnt take on highprofile positions that came with resources and security. They simply volunteered, just as thousands of ordinary americans to every Election Cycle to help the fellow citizens at the polls and do the work that keeps our democracy functioning here after year. And what things did like it from the president . Eight monthslong Harassment Campaign led by the most powerful man in the world. And fortunately it seems accountability is on the horizon for fragment and, mawkish last month really jelani was forced to admit in a court filing that he made false statements about the duo manipulating ballots. And now a significant part of this weeks and diamond focuses on that Harassment Campaign. The target them. The indictment charges trump and others with repeatedly and falsely accusing freeman of committing election fraud, with some go as far as travel and from out of state to freemans home to intimidate her and solicit her she falsely confessed to election crimes that she did not commit. Freemans place in the indictment serves as a reminder of the human toll of trumps lies. Far too often, when we talk about the ex president s election interference, we center one victim. Democracy. Yes, that is important. To acknowledge the damage that trump did to our democracy. And it continues to do to our institutions. 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Trump might be leading in republican primary polling, but he has a lot to worry about if he gets to the general election. There is a new ap poll that finds a majority of americans, 53 , approve of the Justice Department decisions to indict the ex president for his efforts to overturn the test 20 election. That same poll found 53 of americans would definitely not support trump if he was the gop nominee. Another 11 person probably would not. That is 64 of all adults in this country saying they likely wont vote for trump in 2024. And that poland was connected before which end up. And lets be clear. The fact that donald trump, i twice impeached, now four times indicted ex president is leading primary poland by 20, 30, sometimes even 40 points is an indictment on the set of the republican party. Joining me now is elaine there really, a political strategist and the host of our Marriage Podcast and erin haines is still with us. Great to have you both here. Alina, how worried should trump aide by those numbers . He is bragging about his popularity, now, but he is apparently not taking into account the general electorate. Is it going to matter once he gets into the general election, if he does get into the general election, which i think you, will the small margins that he has to win in states like pennsylvania, georgia, michigan, wisconsin, maybe arizona as well . Thats right. Youre exactly right. He has the republican party, the, based on locke. Supporting him or saying they would support him in november. The real challenge for him and his real vulnerability is as a general election candidate. Because hes going to have to win those independent voters, hes going to have to win those swing voters. And he, the more that he is speaking to his prosecution, and his indictments, and relitigating his personal grievances, the more he alienates that base. That base that helped to turn georgia blue. Those independents and swing voters and helped to toward georgia blue and other swing states that the democrats. Those same voters that helped ensure that what was supposed to be a right tsunami was more of a trickle into thousand 22. So he has real vulnerabilities when it comes to the general election. The power right now, at his apex, as a primary campaign there as the nomination. But once general election comes around, he has real vulnerability. So erin the reality is, trumps Popularity Remains High among a quarter of Republican Voters. The indictments have not hurt him. According to that ap new york poll, 74 of republicans said they definitely or probably would support trump if you will gop nominee. What does that say about the state of party, off the party, and the gop voters . I think it says a lot. Exactly. Definitely or wouldnt vote for him, that group of folks. Im very interested in this 11 its responding probably wouldnt vote for President Trump. Much like voter enthusiasm, right . Voter enthusiasm, the like of enthusiasts doesnt officially made that one pull the lever when the time comes. Yes, to repoint, the effect theyre really not have been any real consequences thus far for President Trump, whether in the courtroom on the campaign trail, really only seems to embolden him. So if hes not going to stop his behavior, who is going to reject it. You see people like Governor Brian Kemp who continues to reiterate to people that featured election was among the most, if not the, most thorough examination of Election Results in the country, and it was declared secure and fear and legal. Multiple times. But you know, voters rejected fees kinds of politics in 2020, but it remains to be seen if theyre going to do the same and 2024. And i think, you know, one more thing i would say is that, you know, i think we have to note that these attacks the former president has been making racist and bigoted. Thats not an accident. But it is part of a gop playbook that has been affective with some numbers in this country. Alina, there was a recent poll by university that from the majority of americans, 54 think trump should be prosecuted on criminal charges. And a separates poll, 68 said a person convicted of a pelosi should not be able to be president. Do you think a precedence would move the needle on any of his Republican Voters . I think they would. I think that a conviction would obviously, it doesnt make him an eligible for becoming president under the constitution for running, with the exception of the fact that a conviction would solidify that he helped to purchased the conspiracy and in many ways for the insurrection. So i think there is a clear appetite for him to we held accountable for that. And by virtue of him being held accountable, that conviction wouldnt prevent him from being president. Buts article three of the 14th Amendment could potentially prevent him from being eligible for president. 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All of which has now been returned after a County Attorney found insufficient evidence for the Search Warrant. A group of Media Companies also sent a signed letter to mary and police chief gideon cody condemning the raid, including msnbcs parent company. The rate was influenced information that one of the papers reportedly from a confidential source about a local Restaurant Owners drivers license history. Which was suspended after a Drunk Driving so thousand four. The Report Effect verify this through public records, and cara newell, the rest were on, or accused the paper of using the legal means to acquire information about her. The police say they believe that an Employee Paper had committed a computer based crime. Today, we have new reporting from the Washington Post about their justification for the raid. According to sworn affidavits, the Marion Police chief told a judge that the Kansas Department of revenue had confirmed to him that reporter donald and the profit records that would have required her entering personal information. She confirmed to the post she did download the record. The Candace Bureau of investigation is currently looking into whether the newspaper violated state law, but concerns about Freedom Of The Press have really risen over the past few days. And with reason. As the newspaper publisher eric meyer puts it, the Police Response was like working the swat team out for jaywalking. Joining me now is brittani rove, attorney representing the Marion County record. Mr. Rhodes, where to have you on the show. Mr. Barr play a clip of mayer talking to reporters on wednesday after that Search Warrant had been lifted. Watch. We cannot let police when. Cannot lead police. When and eventually, italy will cross the line to the point it becomes so egregious when other people come around and support. I cannot thank enough the support we got from journalism, news okanagan mission,s people in general. All of this blasted planet who just realized this isnt american democracy to do Something Like this. First, how is the staff and mr. Myre doing today . I know they had to work painstakingly long hours this week in order to get the paper out on wednesday with our equipment, and unfortunately the tragedy of mr. Myerss mother passing on south today, the day after the raid. Theyre doing all right. But that was a tough day. Today was the day that joanne mayer was laid to rest. But that doesnt mean that the story needs to be laid to rest. This story needs to remain out there. Because as erik said, police need to be stopped. And more importantly, we need to make sure that the next robe koch who gets his Here Brain Scheme Of Raiding A news room think twice before the do it again. Let me ask you about some of the specifics in the investigation if i cant. Youve got the Kansas Bureau of investigation looking into whether something had breached the kansas criminal Justice Information system. And then theres this new reporting from the Washington Post that expands on that, saying, Court Records show the police chief told the judge that the reporter could not have exchanged the personal information without either impersonating victim or lying about the reasons why the report was being sought. That the quote in the post. Did your client do something wrong here . Absolutely not. The very first sentence of the kansas statute on Drivers Licenses says Drivers Lessons will be subject to the Open Records Act. We all know what the Open Records Act is. That means its information that is open. We did not access and find her photo and then stop her. We already knew who she was. Weve received a tip giving us her name. Its a small town, 2000 people. We knew she was. Drivers record information, driver suspension, dui convictions, those are public records. Just like, and you want your Insurance Agent to be able to confirm you dont have 100 traffic tickets, because if you do theyll cancel your insurance. Same thing here. Reporters can verify information that they receive. That is no identity theft. The chief is just plain wrong. What if it had been a more evenhanded search . Was the search at all justified and your opinion, if it was not a rage . I understand mr. Mike saying the point was this was breaking a swat team for a jaywalking offense. You are saying that no, nothing wrong was done once ever to warrant any kind of activity from the police. Is that right . Youre right. Nothing was done wrong, first. Second of all, even if there had been, this jaywalking violation, there is a process in the law for that. Its called issuing a subpoena. You may have seen the report that in one of the former president investigated of President Trump, the Justice Department served a subpoena on twitter. They didnt come in with jack booted thugs with a Search Warrant in the San Francisco office of twitter. They served a subpoena that allows lawyers like me to get involved. That allows the metal to be in front of a judge to resolve that. It is not judge, jury and executioner. Which chief kelly thinks he is. Let me get your thoughts on the topeka resident who filed a formal complaint against the mentally judge here, who approved the Search Warrant by police. In her complaint, the resident notes, Legal Protections for journalists in the County Attorney finding insufficient evidence for the Search Warrants in the first place. What type of accountability could we see stem from this complaint . What do you think would be the right course of action from here on out for your organization . We need to obtain some justice for what has occurred. Its great the County Attorney has finally woken up and realize the search was illegal. And avoided it. And we got the other documents, the computers and the phones back. But you know, thats like putting a tourniquet on your lake after you step on a land mine. The injury is already occurring. And the idea that were going to get any justice out of the Marion Police Department Without suing them seems farfetched. Since the agenda for Mondays City Council meeting, the first meeting after this obscene and a legal right, they put in all caps. We will not be discussing the recent events with for his even exclamation points after its. Let make your thoughts on the bigger issue here. That is the Freedom Of The Press. James raisin, who writes in the intercept, wrote the unjustified assault on the mary county record is another reminder that Press Freedom is one of the most important democratic traditions under threat from trumpism. What do you make of the trend recently, that has put newspapers and journalists and increasingly under threat in this country . Ive been doing this for 40 years. And i couldnt agree more. The threat is increasing. And it is increased dramatically in the last decade. This is not just a threat to newsrooms like the Marion County lake. Or this as a threat to democracy. I guarantee you, ayman, that there is crooked cops, crooked politicians, unethical businessmen. Who have gotten away with their misstate because people are afraid to report them to the media for fear that some other policeman will come in and search a news room here in kansas, in new york, and los angeles, anywhere. Theyll find what that information is. Sources have to write up. I guarantee you, crooks are getting away with what the. Doing this as a threat to democracy, not just effort to journalism. I couldnt agree with you more. It certainly has a chilling effect, even if this is an unsuccessful raid and the documents, computers were turned. Back the message it sends is that things like this should never, ever be normalized in our country. Bernie rhodes, thanks for joining us tonight. We appreciate. It will be following the story into check back with you as a develops. Thank you. More ayman coming up next. Up next sweet pillows of softness this is soft holy charmin oh excuse me roll it back, everybody sorry sorry sorry charmin ultra soft is now even softer, so youll want more but its so absorbent, you can use less. So its always worth it. Now, what did we learned about using less . Youve got to, roll it back everybody enjoy the go with charmin. ella fashion moves fast. Setting trends is our business. 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