Were looking at a critical week ahead for donald trump. The republican president ial candidates and american democracy. Former president Donald Trumps 18 codefendants are required to surrender to a Fulton County jail to face charges of attempting to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. Nbc news reports that the former president will not appear before thursday, Fulton County District Attorney fani willis, who gave the defendants a deadline of noon on friday august 25th. But they could turn themselves in at any time before them. So they also tell nbc news that trump is officially skipping the republican president ial primary debate on wednesday, and instead hes apparently seeking an interview with tucker carlson. Eight other candidates will take the stage without him, but inevitably that trump name will come up often. It remains to be seen how many of them will continue to defend the former president , and who will condemn his actions and stand up for democracy. This is the fourth criminal indictment that donald trump has, his second for allegations surrounding the 2020 election. He is facing 13 charges in georgia, including several counts of conspiracy, false statements, and writing, solicitation and violation of oath by officer, and filing false documents. But the bulk of the indictment is focused on violations of georgias Racketeer Influenced And Corrupt Organizations statute, or the rico act. Stating, trump and the other defendants charged in the indictment refused to accept that trump lost and they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of trump. That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity, in Fulton County, georgia, elsewhere in georgia, and in other states. President trump has continued to claim that Election Fraud occurred in georgia in 2020, just this morning he fired off a post that read in part, does anyone really believe i lost georgia . I dont. Even as his lawyers convinced him to channel out Monday Press Conference to present a report that the 2020 election was stolen, remember, trumps election lies are central to his legal liabilities here. The republican Governor Brian Kemp responded strongly after trumps indictment in georgia, tweeting that the 2020 election was not stolen, and on friday, kemp weighed in on the case against trump. During the whole 2020 election, there was a lot of things said, a lot of things done. And they all fall long in the constitution. I was subpoenaed for the special grand jury, so im sure i will be a witness in whatever goes forward. So i really cant say much about the indictment, but one thing is certain about these indictments, in my mind my opinion. This trial, despite what dates anybodys asking for and anything else, it is not going to happen before the election. The Fulton County d. A. Has already proposed for a case to go to trial in march of 2024. The trump team has yet to respond, but reading the tea leaves, based on their positions in other cases, they will attempt to push it to after the election. They want to begin the federal election interference case in april of 2026, a year and a half after the election. Special counsel jack smiths team asked to start in january of 2024. I want to bring in Atlanta Journal Senior Reporter tamar hallerman, and glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor. And msnbc legal analysts. Tomorrow, lets start with you. Lets talk about the jail himself that trump will turn himself into. The agency has done quite a bit of reporting on it. What is of interest about the jail . What i sure, the jail in fultn county, which is widely known around atlanta as the rice treat jail, is notorious around here. Very recently, the Justice Department announced it was launching a civil rights investigation into the conditions at the jail, after they found someone had died with bugs all over his body. The conditions are known as a very deplorable, its already overcrowded, way past its capacity. And the Fulton County sheriff has actually asked to build a new jail. So its very infamous in these parts. You listen to a lot of hiphop and you hear rappers from atlanta talk about bryce street. And that jail is open 24 7, were expecting any of these 19 people to show up, it could be in the middle of the night over the next six days, but a pretty jarring scene to see these folks who used to be in the white house, the Trump Campaign all over cable tv have to report to such an infamous jail. Do tamar, youre reporting this morning documents the 15 hours you spent inside the Fulton County courthouse on monday. Tell us what stood out to you, and what does that day signal to you about what we could potentially see in a trump case in that courtroom . Sure. I mean, there was quite a bit of confusion, just trying to figure out a lot of what was going on. These Grand Jury Proceedings are private by design, and just figuring out which witnesses were coming in, we werent able to confirm everybody ahead of time. So figuring that out, there was a big bit of confusion in the middle of the day with the clerks office, who apparently released and then immediately dummied a document that looked eerily like an indictment of donald trump. It ended up being a very similar, if not the same to what ended up being hinted out by The Grand Jury. But that was a very striking moment as well. And the presentation to The Grand Jury ended up taking a lot less time to. We thought this rico case would take about two days, the dea ended up rushing getting it done over one very long day, and i think it goes to show the sensitive nature of this case. A lot of these juries, weve seen their names, photos, addresses have been put on to the web. Fearing that they could be harassed, and i think that could be a continuing theme Going Forward as well. Good. Fani willis has said that she wants the trial to get underway in the next six months. Is that, to you, a realistic timeline . You know, its an ambitious timeline, charles. And im so glad you played that trip of Governor Kemp saying because he expects to be a trial witness, theres not much hes going to say other than he said theres no way the trial will go before the president ial election in 2024. Paraphrasing what he just said. Let me just bring my personal experience to bear on that issue, having tried large scale rico cases in Federal Court in washington d. C. We handle the case that had some very close parallels, obviously a different set of defendants than were dealing with here, but we indicted more than two dozen defendants in a large scale rico case. By the time we made our way to trial, all but 13 had played out. Pleaded guilty, some with cooperation, some without. Now, Courtroom Security is ordinarily what dictates how many defendants can go to trial at one time, safely, securely. And i suspect those concerns are present in every jurisdiction around the country. The United States Marshal Service and Federal Court in washington, d. C. , has a pretty hard and fast rule. They can only provide Courtroom Security for six defendants at a time. What did that mean for us, the prosecutors . We did trial number one, we tried six defendants, that case was tried by some colleagues of mine at the u. S. Attorneys office, we tried trial to with six defendants, i tried that case with some of my federal prosecutors, and then we had to do a third trial, because we had 13 defendants, so he had one rico defendant standing alone. That was trial number three, i also tried that case. So those trials unfolded over the course of about three years. So i suspect what youre going to see is one, a number of defendants pleading out, so its not going to be 19 going to trial, and to, i suspect that you may then see the trial occur in waves. And the first trial may have two, three, four defendants. But that one could probably kick off within six, eight, ten months. At least, that is based on my experience handling largescale rico trials. Lets talk about another rico here. Just this week, trumps legal team filed separate filings in washington d. C. , in florida. Notifying the judges that the federal cases were conflicting. With this new georgia case in the mix, how did they coordinate the timing of all of this . Yeah, thats a challenge. Particularly when you have multiple jurisdictions, federal and state. Not only multiple jurisdictions, but you have criminal trials and you have civil trials. I am hopeful, charles, that all of the prosecutors and to a certain extent, to the extent judges can talk with one another about scheduling matters, not about substance. I hope that they can all communicate effectively, and i hope they will try to come up with an overarching approach and plan to get these cases to trial. It really depends on the willingness of prosecutors to coordinate with one another, not about the substance of their cases, but about the scheduling matters, because among other things, youre going to have overlapping witnesses, and they cant be in two places at one time. So this will be a challenge for all of the jurisdictions. But i think the jurisdictions are up to the challenge. Lets talk about the judge assigned in the Fulton County case. What can you tell us about judge scott mcafee . I was kind of struck that i read that he was only 34 years old, and had only been on the bench for a few months. What can you tell us about him . Yes, very new to the badge, as you mentioned. But folks i know who have worked with him, or who have dealt with him over the last couple of years, because remember, he was a Fulton County d. A. , or a deputy. He was a deputy u. S. Attorney, and he was also part of the states Inspector General office. He was very well respected and seen as an even keeled kind of a guy. Hardworking, and willing to take everything into consideration before making his decisions. In a college, he was a top member of the federal society im sorry, in law school. So he has those conservative credentials. But folks i talked to said that hes very fair. This case is probably the highest Profile Thing hes ever done and will be closely watched. Glenn, trump canceled a Monday Press Conference where he had promised to present what he called irrefutable evidence of Election Fraud. But he continues to post election lies and harassing messages about judges and prosecutors. What kind of legal exposure is he creating for himself in all of this . So, charles, every word he utters, every post he makes, is a potential statement of a party opponent, that could be admitted into evidence against him by the prosecutors. But people should know that the rules of evidence prevent a defendant from introducing his own exculpatory, out of court statements. So this works entirely to the prosecutions advantage, and to the defendants detriment. So, as an old prosecutor, i say please keep talking, mr. Trump. Because all you are doing is one, potentially strengthening the prosecutions, and to, potentially limiting what it is your Defense Attorneys are going to be able to say to present and to argue in court, because if you contradicted it somewhere in a statement or a post, well done, its not going to fly. Yeah, i dont think he can actually talk himself. The tamar ends glenn kirschner, thank you both for joining me. I really appreciate it. Up next, Symone Sanders goes oneonone with republican president ial candidates and political outsider the vic ramaswamy. Symone has my viewers, if im not willing to sit across the table from folks like you, im not ready to sit across the table from jinping. Gee has something to say about that comparison. Well also hear his strategy going in to the first republican primary debate, and why hes drawing up a connection between the maui fire and dei and it should haves. But first, Richard Louis has todays other top news stories. 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Week with leaders of japan and south korea, for their first Camp David Summit of his presidency. The trio announced their intention to hold bilateral meetings aimed at strengthening alliances in the face of mounting tensions with china and north korea. The leaders pledged to hold Military Exercises together, and Share Warning data on north korea. Also this week, republican president ial candidate the vet Ramah Suwannee unveiled his Foreign Policy vision at the Richard Nixon library. In a wide range of conversation with simone sanders, just before that, the vic Ramah Suwannee expressed opposition to Bilateral Agreements, and emphasized his nationalist approach to protecting u. S. Interests. Heres their discussion for this weeks on the ballot series. You talk about reducing economic independence on china for what youre calling stronger relationships with other Asian Countries like india, like japan, and south korea. Isnt what you are describing similar to the end of Pacific Framework that the Biden Harris Administration announced in 2022 . No, i think thats actually loaded up with a lot of other orthography goals like Climate Change, that had nothing to do with my objectives. I want strong bilateral Trade Agreements with japan, with south korea, with even india. These are countries that actually have Strategic Interests that are aligned with ours, if were able to deal with them bilaterally. So these multilateral agreements and up with a lot of bureaucratic nonsense in them. But i think those Bilateral Agreements will focus on reducing our economic independence on china itself. Thats where my focus is. And i think if were serious about declaring economic independence from china, it is going to involve real far to the United States, which im absolutely in favor of. But if were serious of doing this in a relatively short time horizon as i am, it will require allies around the pacific, including india and south korea and japan. I just want to follow up on that, sir. Those countries that you named, india, south korea, and japan. They are part of the endo pacific alliance, so is australia. Singapore, i can go on. Other countries together account for about 40 of the worlds gdp. And the pillar say they are about trade, the pillars of the framework of the supply chains, clean economy, vera conmee. Is that not what you are describing . The clean economy, fair economy, is just a nice sounding buzzword for agendas that are actually hostile to, for example, Carbon Emissions in the United States. So im a big fan, symone, Of Abandoning The Anti Carbon Cult thats shackling the United States. Actually, being much lighter on other countries who are on the other side of those trade relationships. I personally believe we need to abandon the cult of Climate Change in the United States altogether that is shackling the United States, while leaving nations like china untouched. And thats what you get in these multilateral bureaucracies arrangements. Im deeply skeptical of multilateral agreements that the u. S. Should enter. I think our relationships with our allies should be bilateral, with each nation. Without these transnational climate and other unrelated standards that find their way into these Trade Agreements. Ukrainian leaders, including Parliament Members that ive spoken to, have told me directly that when it comes time to negotiate with russia, they will accept nothing less than full sovereignty to end russias war in their country. Now, your plan allows russia to keep a territory that it has seized in ukraine. But the war cant and without ukraine, right . Well, to be clear, ukraine is like a client state of the United States right now. We are literally paying their government employees, the people who work in the bureaucracy of ukraines government, are paid by u. S. Taxpayer dollars today. And so i do think the u. S. Is in a position to determine how this war comes to an end. Heres how i would do it. The deal with putin is this. We freeze the current lines of control, the same way the korean war and it. Its a korean war styled armistice. A further commitment that nato will not admit ukraine to nato, but in return, ukraine does come out with its sovereignty intact. Not without parts of the region, but the rest of ukraine comes out with its sovereignty attacked. But most importantly, i will require Vladimir Putin to exit his Military Partnership with china. The china Russia Military partnership, that alliance, is the single greatest Military Threat that the United States faces today. And i think it is shameful that neither politician in either party is actually talking about it. Ramos what, me i want to talk about the debate. The first republican president ial debate is august 23rd. You have qualified for that debate stage, and the second debate as well. How are you preparing for the first debate . Well, im traveling eight states in seven days leading up to the debate. I want to be careful not to over prepare. Ive done my best in this campaign, the weight paid running this campaign is by speaking the truth. In a way that is unconstrained by members of the donor class or the political consultant handler class. My bet is thats going to be a competitive advantage on the stage, but the truth is that every other candidates in this race has been a professional politician for a long time. Theyve been in professional political debates and primaries and general elections before. I havent. And so i think the first debate is a bit of a warmup. Ive qualified for the next few, were doing great in this race, i think my honesty and transparency and the fact that im actually able to speak freely in a way that many other established professional politicians arent, thats my competitive advantage. You know, you talk about your campaign. I think ive just heard a preview of your debate strategy, you talk about your travel, you spent about 19 days campaigning in iowa, 15 days campaigning in new hampshire. Only three days in south carolina, but youve appeared on more than 70 podcasts. Is this your strategy to reach voters . I say our strategy in this campaign is talk to everyone. Im not running to lead a Political Party, im running to lead a nation. I dont mean to interrupt you, but you are running to lead a Political Party. Youre running to be the republican nominee for president. Im going to lead the United States of america, actually. Whats visibly important is the way that im running this primary is different than the other candidates. Because im already planning for ultimate destination, leading a national revival. I was going to mention, ive been to the south side of chicago. Ive gone to kensington, in the middle of philadelphia. These are places where any republican politician or consultant will tell you, youd be crazy to waste time there in the middle of a primary. I dont see it that way. Many people might even say that about coming on msnbc. There are other candidates who said they wont talk to nbc news, because nbc news is not nice to republicans. My view is, if im not willing to sit across the table with folks like you, im not ready to sit across the table with xi jinping, and i believe i am. I think i reject the comparison. I think i reject the comparison of me to jinping. I want to ask you, we talked about Climate Change a little bit earlier. I want to ask you about maui, theres still a lot of questions about the governments response to the Deadly Wildfires in maui. Youve released a statement this morning blasting people, you say, that delayed the approval of extra water to fight the fires. And you link that to what youre calling the d e i agenda. So you think d. E. I is responsible for Wildfire Deaths in maui . I think a big part of sadly what is responsible for those deaths, and my heart goes out to those people, i think it is shameful that the Biden Administration has not done more. They do more for ukraine that theyre doing for own fellow americans in hawaii right now. A president who is not even showed up in hawaii since that catastrophe. I think thats shameful. But the reality is, what did contribute to those deaths, and this is a hard truth, is the delay in providing water, despite multiple requests that were made for access. And the person who was still mulling it is an obama appointee, who has a world view that is based on water protection. It is a climate activist. And so i think its a sad soup norrie. The romney, i think we could do this all day. Im looking forward to speaking with you again soon. Thank you very much for your time today. I appreciate it. We should mention that President Biden is traveling to maui on monday. Also this interview was conducted before news broke that trump would not be at the first Republican Debate. Now, ramos 20, after initially claiming in april to the press that he would not let trump get away with skipping the debate, today he said hes okay with trump missing the first few. If you want to see the rest of symone interview with Ramah Suwannee, it will be streaming monday on up next, our Political Panel is here to help us unpack what we just heard from him. And break down former President Trumps decision to ditch the first Republican Debate. 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What do you have to say about President Trump, the fact that he is not going to the debate . Hes a coward. Hes a coward. Hes afraid look. I dont know if i feel differently if i were out on bail in four different jurisdictions. But i dont want to go up there and defend my conduct. I dont think his conduct is defensible in any way, whether its a crime or not. Its not defensible. Our Political Panel joins me now. Ameshia cross is a democratic strategist and political commentator, and former congressman joe walsh of illinois was a republican candidate for president in 2020. Thank you both for being here. Before we dive into the debate, i want to talk about simones interview with republican president ial candidate vic ramaswamy. Look ameshia, he says that the United States should abandon what we call the cult of Climate Change, because it is hurting the country. What is your response to that . Science is real. And Climate Change is real. Were watching greater occurrences of Natural Disasters that are stronger than weve seen in the past. From hurricanes, two flooding, two tornadoes, to the wildfires that are spreading like crazy. This is ridiculous. We have one of the hottest summers on record, yet we have republicans, specifically vac, but others as well, who are fighting against what were seeing before our very eyes. And i think this is very demonstrative of what the Republican Party stands for, being antiscience up to literally Watching Americans die and Sea Level Rise continue to tank homes across this country. Watching a Power Grid System fail across the state of texas, and many other places that are extremely challenged. This isnt president ial rhetoric, this isnt policy that should be something that we actually even give any credence to you in a nation where were consistently seeing that Climate Change is not only real, but lives are at stake. Finn ramaswamy says that his lack of political experience will be a strength on the debate stage. Congressman, do you share that belief . Sometimes, but charles, not with him. It says so much about my former Political Party that this guy, vivek, who is way too young, way to uninformed, just an opportunist who has fashion and tailored everything he says to just appeal to the base. I mean, if he were, he could run as a democrat and just try to appeal to the democratic base. But it makes perfect sense. He has zero core, but in this day and age, with donald trump as the leader of this party, it makes perfect sense that someone like this is actually in second place right now. It says where the Republican Party is. We ameshia, the republican front runner, former president donald trump, is skipping the debate. What does this say about his hold on the Republican Party apparatus, and can we decide to never debate his opponents . If you are 20 plus Percentage Points ahead of 81 in the primary, its not exactly surprising that former President Trump wouldnt want to be in this debate. Its his race to lose at this point. But in addition to that, it speaks more to the Republican Base. And these arent just monetized, this is the Republican Base were talking about right here, who have consistently seen time and time again all the criminality that President Trump presents. The four jurisdictions that he is currently indicted in, and they simply do not care. Hes not going to show up to a debate stage knowing that hes going to take fire from multiple ends of that debate stage, acknowledging where these criminal injunctions currently exist. But also because, quite frankly, what would the point be . Weve seen both on the democratic side as well as the republican side, on various levels of government, people dont want to debate folks that are light years behind him when it comes to pulling. Thats not necessarily new. But i think here the biggest decision hes making is kind of drawing attention from this debate by arguing that he may have a sitdown conversation with former fox news giant tucker carlson. And i think that because hes so far ahead in the polls with the republicans at this point, there are a lot of voters who will be watching that instead of this debate anyway, because the big star wont be there. Congressman Chris Christie has been the most vocal in his attacks against donald trump. Could that end up giving him an edge on the debate stage, especially if he becomes an attack on the other candidates to the former president . I think kristi, and i think everyone else on that stage this week, will all go after ron desantis. Because i think the want to be the alternative to trump. He is right that trump is a coward, but he is not afraid of Chris Christie. Chris christie has your constituency in this Republican Party. There is no room in this party for an anti trump candidates. And i its even worse that the base doesnt care about trumps criminal indictments. They actually like it. They like that hes corrupt. They like that hes a criminal. They like the fact that hes a victim. They believe, charles, that hes a victim of the deep state going after him. So all of these indictments just play into that for the base, and thats what trump will solely. Ameshia cross and former congressman joe walsh, thank you very much. Up next, a live report for maui as officials struggle to account for an estimated 1000 people still missing in those Deadly Wildfires. Plus, pictures that reveal a potentially dangerous pattern involving the islands Emergency Management director. Dont go anywhere. E. An allinone cleaning tool with a 360degree swivel head that goes places a regular mop just cant. Mop smarter with the new swiffer powermop. Subway refreshed everything. And now, theyre slicing their meats fresh. Thats why this pro proffers the new grand slam ham. So does this pro. 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Hawaii residents are dealing in the aftermath of devastating wildfires that destroyed the Historic Town of maui county Officials Say that 78 of the burned area have been searched, at least 114 people are dead. And an estimated 1000 more are still missing. As search and rescue efforts go on, the embattled maui im Urgency Management Director has resigned, and a new statement from the hawaii Emergency Management agency says a reminder was sent before the fires swept through that Emergency Sirens could be used. Nbcs Steve Patterson is in lahaina, on the island of maui. Steve, you spoke with a firefighter who was on the frontlines, battling these fires. What did you learn from speaking to her . First of all, she described a scene that would lead to this. What you see behind me, which is buildings that go seemingly for us and leslie as i can look at. And they are completely stripped. Just a house cape, battling those fires as it was making its way through town there. Meanwhile, i want to talk about the sirens a little bit. You mentioned yes, they couldve been sounded, but they werent. The director stepping down two days ago, and we asked him why those sirens werent and its been a question the communities had for some time. His answer simply was that those sirens are usually used for tsunamis, he didnt want to send the wrong signal to people that might have been hearing them. Any fear that those people wouldve traveled into the fire, up into the hills where the fire was burning, because theyre used to hearing a tsunami siren. He has obviously stepped down. Meanwhile, back to that firefighter, this is an incredible story. She was battling the fire in town, and i want to tell you a little bit more after this. But just listen to what she describes as the flames encroached on her. Listen to this. It was surreal. I feel like thats something where you can describe what it was, it seemed like you are in this nightmare. This nightmare that was never going to end. And its almost like what you see on tv, but its ten times worse. It was a bigger, faster, stronger, more people than you can think of trying to escape, or run, and evacuate. It was a little mindblowing. Yeah, it was tough. Her name was tosha, she was involved in this in more ways than one. She has a missing uncle involved. One of the thousand unaccounted for. Her cousin just submitted a dna test to locate him. And secondly, her job burned down. The far station is no more, so shes curious about whats going to happen next as so many in this town are as well. Charles . Nbcs Steve Patterson, thank you so much for your reporting. I really appreciate it. Ahead, the Shocking Police raid on a kansas newspaper. My next guest has called it a quote, Fragment Insult on our Freedom Of The Press and how its sparking nationwide backlash in a state investigation. Why you should pay close attention to this case, next. 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Police were investigating an invasion of privacy case after a local Restaurant Owner claimed the newspaper illegally obtained and shared her driving record. The Police Department defended the raid, in a statement on facebook, citing the federal Protection Act, the department said, quote, it is true that in most cases it requires police to use subpoenas, rather than Search Warrants, to search the premises of journalists unless they themselves are suspects in the offense that is the subject of the search. Since then, the Search Warrant was withdrawn for insufficient evidence, and all confiscated property returned. But several questions linger, for eric mayer, the publisher of the Marion County record. The probable cause affidavit, which normally proceeds a Search Warrant, was actually filed three days after the search. We dont know why they searched my mothers house, we dont know why they searched or office. The evidence that we had, the documents that we obtained from our source, was sitting on my desk. They didnt seize it. We have some evidence that the police and actually the City Administration was not going to pursue this case, and still that was a political motivation injected into it. Sadly, the day after the raid, meyers mother, joanne, died. The 98yearold was the coowner of the paper, and her son says that the stress of the search contributed to her death. Her funeral was held today. The Marion County record was seen has seen an outpouring of support from across the country, and in recent days, their descriptions have skyrocket. Im joined now by david loy, legal director of the First Amendment coalition and that clay wirestone, Opinion Editor at the kansas reflector, another local paper thats been covering the raid on the Marion County record. Clay, what are some of the questions that you would like to have answered about what happened in Marion County. They . I think you have to listen to what publisher eric mayer said there. That probable cause affidavit is still outstanding, here at the reflector, we went down to marion on friday the 11th, when the rate was done. We actually requested that affidavit on friday, it still hasnt come through. We need to know who wrote that affidavit, does the probable cause they suppose that was there, and then we need to know the circumstances under which it was approved. Did anyone raise any questions . Did anyone say, hey, wait, stop a moment. This doesnt just violate the constitution, it violates federal law, it violates state law. Clay, in that same vein, this morning the papers attorney said that the city council is not interested in addressing what went wrong. How can you have accountability happen without cooperation from local leaders . Well, at this point, you understand even though the equipment has been returned to the record, that underlying investigation is still going on. Its been taken up by the Kansas Bureau of investigation. So until they issue their final report or their final findings on the matter, were probably not going to see much reaction on that local level. However, i certainly feel like, and many other people feel like the citys police chief, gideon cody, and the Magistrate Judge who signed those Search Warrants, they have a lot of questions to answer. And probably should face some employment consequences. News organizations are calling this a violation of the First Amendment. Initially, the Police Department cited the federal Privacy Protection act. What do you think went wrong here . What went wrong was a complete disregard for the controlling law. Privacy Protection Act clearly prohibits conducting a raid on a news room, except in the most extreme and unusual circumstances. Because journalism is not a crime. And all that the paper was doing was engaging in reaching investigative journalism. If i understand correctly, it went over and above by actually notifying the police they may have been provided a document unlawfully, and volunteered. That did not in fact published the documents, did their ordinary Due Diligence to verify the tip, and thats just routine journalism. None of this should have been treated as a crime, or as the pretext for a raid on a newsroom. Well david, in cases where people feel that they do need to investigate journalists, how should that happen . The usual process and the unlikely event that Law Enforcement are seeking information from a publication, is to serve a subpoena. And that is notice to the newspaper of what is being sought, and provides an opportunity to go to court and contest it. And explain why the material is protected by a shield of law or privilege, to have a judge review that in advance, and have all the arguments passed out in open court, instead of a Law Enforcement showing up unannounced to conduct a raid with a Search Warrant to seize books, papers, notes, computers, cell phones. And i think its clear, theres no way to know what was looked at and what was not. This raid compromised every confidential source, every confidential note, every digital record that this paper had. And theres no way to put that Toothpaste Back in the tube. David and clay wire stone, thank you for joining me. Thanks for watching symone on this saturday, i am charles in for simone politicsnation starts right after this break. This break fan 1 there ya go thats what im talkin about josh allen is this your plan to watch the game today . hero fan uh, yea. I have to watch my neighbors Nfl Sunday Ticket. josh allen its not your best plan. But you know what is . Myplan from verizon. 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