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Come as early as tuesday. We have more details in just a moment, plus ron desantis suspends another elective prosecutor in a move divided as politically motivated this as his Campaign Continues to implode. And the chair of the House Oversight Senate Committee says the vote to impeach joe biden even though he has found zero evidence of wrongdoing by the president. What a sad State Of Affairs for republicans. Im Ayman Mohyeldin lets get, started. Tonight we begin this hour with breaking news. Former georgia Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan, a republican, has confirmed to the Atlanta Journalconstitution that he is set to testify before a Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis Is williss grand jury willis, who is investigating trumps alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 Election Loss in georgia will start to present her case to the grand jury on monday. The new Development Means that we could see charges against trump and possibly others announced as early as tuesday evening, sources tell the guardian that willis has enough evidence to charge multiple allies of the ex president. Prosecutors believe they have sufficient evidence for a racketeering case. And that stands to reason. Given the scope of her investigation. First there is trumps attempts to pressure local officials into overturning the election results. That includes the now infamous call he made to Secretary Of State brad raffensperger. During which, trump told him he wanted raffensperger to find enough votes to reverse his loss. And then there is the fake elector scheme. The harassment of local election workers and the ballot fraud lies pushed by former trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Finally, willis and her team have been looking into less reported matters, in some cases extend beyond Fulton County. Stretching to rural coffee county. 200 miles southeast of atlanta where trump allies and contractors working on their behalf breached the Election System in the first week of 2021. After a two and a half year investigation, it seems that we have now reached the end point. Williss office has subpoenaed george who says he also will appear before the grand jury on tuesday you may recall on December 14th of 2020 Georgia State capital. Nbc news reports to other officials have been subpoenaed. Former state senator john jordan and state representative bee nguyen. Both attended hearings where Rudy Giuliani had urged officials not to certify the Georgia Election results based on debunked conspiracy theories. No word yet on whether jordan or when have been called to appear before the grand jury. Consider the scene outside the Fulton County courthouse. The road in front of the building has been closed to traffic. Metal barriers lined the street officers from both the sheriffs emotions are if us have a visible presence there. Now, it might be tempting to think that this is just another indictment, fani williss case actually differs from special counsel jack smiths investigation in many ways. One key way. The New York Times puts it if trump were to be convicted in a federal prosecution he could theoretically pardon himself, although theres questions about that, if you are reelected as president. But president s do not hold such sway instate matters. So even if trump wins reelection next, year he will still have to face justice in georgia. Theres no escaping accountability at the state level if he is charged and ultimately convicted. Joining me now are Kurt Bardella, democratic strategist and former House Oversight Committee Spokesperson for republicans. Hes also an l. A. Times contributor. Carol lam, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, and basil smikle, democratic strategist and former State Executive Director of the New York State democratic party. Director of the Public Policy program at the roosevelt House Institute of hunter college. Its great to have all of you with us to start off this hour. Carol i will start with you you heard my intro there into fani willis. She is reportedly planning to charge multiple people, it gives us a sense of might what she might be charging them with including the form of racketeering rico charges, or socalled rico laws require prosecutors that a group of people conspired to take part in organized criminal activity. Give me your thoughts on this as a possible legal strategy, how using those kinds of charges is different from what jack smith is doing. Even in that case and we know there are multiple coconspirators but only trump is the one that is currently being indicted well, Ayman Mohyeldin, Fani Willis Has said shes very interested in the rico statute. Shes very comfortable with it. Shes used it before and she studied it very hard. And thats all very important. When you have these types of statutes that are unique you want to make sure that you can anticipate all the motions and all the defenses that will be brought up against them. Now, the original rico statute, the racketeering statute, was a federal one. It exists. It was created to address really Organized Crime. Where you had a cop show and you had the head of the Organized Crime family. The reason the rico statues was brought into existence was because an organized Crime Association we do all kinds of different crimes they would do some extortion. They would do murders. They would lie to the government. There had to be some way to pull that altogether into a single case because if you just charged one case of extortion or one case of Murder A Judge may not let those be tried together. So it was really to deal with the organization. There is nothing in the statute, and either the federal statute or the georgia recur statute that says you can only use it for Organized Crime. Its been extended to be used against gang crimes as well. So, there are reasons to use rico that are helpful to the prosecution. You can often get more evidence in of the broader conspiracy jack smith probably didnt think it was necessary to use that. Because he had enough tools at his disposal. Fani willis likes to use the statute. Theres nothing that says she cant use it. It does carry a higher and more severe penalty. At least a five year minimum mandatory sentence. Its a very important statute. And she wants to use it. To pick up on carols point, basil, who do you think should be sweating right . Now if you are thinking of a short list of names, some people have dropped people like Rudy Giuliani, for what he did and the role he played in this. Others have gone so far to suggest senator Lindsey Graham could be in some jeopardy, who will you have your eye on this coming week . As a new yorker, certainly, im going to have my eye on Rudy Giuliani. This was americas mayor after 9 11. And there are so many new yorkers who are talking a lot about how far this mayor has fallen and so thats one thing. The other thing is certainly donald trump i think this point about using the rico statute is really, really important, in my view, because, as was said just a moment ago, yes, the intention initially was mobs and gangs. But fani willis and a consultant that she has working with her, they were involved in prosecuting the atlanta cheating scandals. The key here they wanted to have the ability to make sure that they pulled together the of a connected tissue that brought together the actors and their actions. For so many crimes in the past that we talked about ive always said that its of a conspiracy. You could not have had this level of engagement across the country with so many people involved speaking in the same way, with the same message about what happened after 2020 and is not be conspiratorial. It just couldnt happen organically with so many people. So im glad to see this happens if you have any question about what trump think about this he was in iowa it didnt seem to faze him at all and in fact he had a number of members of congress from florida as he was introducing them to iowa voters. So, though he should be the most scared, doesnt seem like he is at the moment. And his supporters love. That i was just going to say. That he teed off my question that i was going to ask kurt so perfectly. Because, you know, kurt, trumps joke that one more indictment and hes going to lock up the primary. He was joking. But the truth is, polls indicate there could be a kernel of truth there. That with every indictment from against him for what he did in 2020 hes gaining popularity with the republican base. It illustrates the kind of sad and dangerous reality that a totality of republican primary electorate is okay with the leader of their party wanting to so casually deconstruct democracy. Wanting to egg on an insurrectionist effort on january six a guy who has said that he hopes to pardon people who participated in the darkest day of our democratic process that weve ever had. I think so much about the republican base, this is a base that has put so much on the themes of faith family freedom every time theres a holiday involving a Military Recognition there the first ones flying the american flags on their f150 and their chevy pick up trucks and yet the very thing that those Men And Women who have sacrificed everything, the very thing that they do that for is the thing that donald trump and his band of idiots try to destroy on january 6th. The Cognitive Dissonance here is on another level. The idea that they would somehow once again believe that the best case they can make to the American People for returning to power is to nominate the criminal Syndicate Leader in donald trump to do that, and the engineer that it just speaks volumes about how far gone this is this party is not really a political party. Its a whitecollar criminal organization. Carol lam, let me talk to you about that little nugget i mentioned at the end of my introduction. Give me your thoughts on. And i said its possible that donald trump could pardon himself if he is convicted in the federal cases. If he is reelected. First of all, is that settled law, is that definite that if he is president , could he pardon himself . And if not, does that make him much more worried about what happens in georgia . Should it make him more worried and his legal team more worried about what happens in georgia since he will have no power to pardon himself . So, the constitution is not clear about whether president can pardon himself. So, it puts yet one more we are not sure paid on the board here. Its an uncomfortable place for lawyers to be we like to be certain of it. Things this is an untested area. Can a president pardon himself. What we do know is that president s, even if they could pardon themselves or if they were to pardon others they can, only do so for federal crimes or federal investigations. This of course, fani williss investigation, an incoming indictment is a State Indictment so the former president , were he to become president again, Cannot Pardon himself from the state of georgias indictment. That is a very important. Jack smith, special counsels indictments, the federal indictments, if the former president or to become president again and pardon himself in those cases, if he pardoned himself there, even though the Department Of Justice theoretically could appeal that issue through the court system, up through the supreme court, remember it would be Donald Trumps Department Of Justice we dont know what would happen there. We can guess. There would probably be no appeal of that particular party. Basil, what do you think the likelihood of trump ally starting to flip on him are . Because again, like in the federal case wouldnt be able to pardon them if he wins the white house again on a state level. Going back to the coconspirators in this case is there a chance that you see more willingness for them to flip on a trump and cooperate . So, im not an attorney, so i dont know the legal jeopardy that they may be in giving the evidence that might be presented. But i would say this. If you think about all the hundreds of individuals who were arrested and tried many of them convicted in are serving time because of what happened on january six. The one thing that has been common along all those individuals, they were not the ringleaders they were not the elite, they were not the top gear of individuals that were pulling all of this together and trying to, intimidate election officials, intimidate Government Workers and trying to create false electors. The people with the resources, the people that have the power that can make those goals and make something happen on the ground, i have yet to really see the accountability at that level. My point in saying that, i hope that a number of the individuals who may or may not be named in this indictment, the folks who are close to the Decision Makers the Decision Makers themselves i do hope that they flip. And i do hope that they sort of sunday count ability of, if you will. Because i dont think because what i dont want to see is folks not be held accountable, not to any jail time, and therefore you open the door for somebody to do this again i dont know who could flip, i dont know who will slip. I need to get some accountability on the record. I think the American People deserve it. We can all agree on that point. , panel please stick around. Theres a lot more to discuss ahead. Donald trump, his dangers dangerous attacks on the Women Overseas Case judge Tanya Chutkan we will talk about that. First, we do want to tell you about some breaking news. Out of maui. The death toll from the hawaii wildfires have tragically risen to 80, making it the deadliest wildfire in that states history. And now we countys mayor said the number of could go up. Certain Rescue Efforts continue for up to 1000 people still missing according to officials more than 5000 people will need shelter after their homes were reduced to rubble. Sadness has turned to anger for some residents who say they were not properly warned about the risk posed by these fires. Hawaiis Attorney General and lopez says she will review the policies and decisionmaking processes leading up to this crisis. Meanwhile, county officials in maui say Electrical Outages this week were impacting the ability to pump water to control the fires the issued a Press Release that urge the public to conserve water. Fema says it has deployed more then 150 personnel including Search And Rescue teams, with more on the way. Right now, the fire in maui his 85 contained more are burning on maui and the big island. 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But as expected trump and his appear aides to be taking any possible opportunity to delay the proceedings carlos to olivia, the property manager who was added as a codefendant in the superseding indictment hasnt entered a plea. Because he apparently cant find Local Council. Now, the Magistrate Judge rescheduled the arraignment for next tuesday, rejecting a suggestion that it be postponed until august 25th. Walt nada walt nautas all of this timing is crucial as we head into 2024. This trial is currently scheduled for may less than two months out from the Republican National convention, and just over five months out from election day. My panel is back with me. Kurt, lawyers, prosecutors in florida have said it is quite comical that the oliviera is not able to find it counselor, specially because of the fact that he does have a d. C. Based lawyer. And then youve got other experts pointing out the possible cause issues and conflicts with trump too promised to find him in attorney. Your thoughts on this. Is this a delay tactic, couldnt be more going on here . I think all of it is a delay tactic. And i think trump world has made it any secret that their long game is to push all of the avalanche of Court Proceedings that lie ahead of them as far away as possible. So the hopes that he can, when the republican nation, when the name nation and presidency and pardon himself for his alleged crimes. That is the only hope that donald trump has. I think he knows that on some level that the only chance he has to escape with his freedom intact is to become president of the united states. Thats quite a hail mary to have to throw when the only way out for you is to win the highest office in the lands. Presumably against the person who already beat you last time. Carol, there was a report based on a source that the olivieras legal team was told in advance that he would be facing charges. If he did in fact have that advanced warning does the to oliviera have a valid excuse in not having found a Local Council yet. What kind of legal consequences could he face if he does not meet in the next deadline. Look, Ayman Mohyeldin, none of us really knows whats going on behind the scenes. But needed to do the oliviera or walt nauta particularly sophisticated in the legal world on it actually would not surprise me that they are having some difficulty finding Local Council to represent them because that Local Council wants to get paid. They probably dont have the funds to pay themselves and so they would have to go on Donald Trumps word that he is going to pay for their lawyer carlos de oliveira. And i wouldnt be surprised if a number of lawyers in florida are skeptical that at, the end of the day, they are really going to get paid by donald trump. Theres some ethical issues as well. You may remember that Michael Cohen his Attorneys Fees were paid by the Trump Organization until he decided for his own good to testify against donald trump. And at that point, to Trump Organization cut him off. He had to sue to has his Attorneys Fees paid. Ultimately, that was settled for an undisclosed sum. There could be attorneys out there who might be interested in representing walt nauta, but are nervous about getting paid. That, said i think there is truth to the fact. That delay is the name of the game. Here we are playing bumper cars now with all of these upcoming trials. At the end of the day if the Magistrate Judge isnt satisfied with his representation, he can appoint somebody, he can appoint a federal defender to represent him from the local federal defenders office, so we can at least for the time being keep the show on the road. Basil, let me turn to judge chutkan here in the Election Interference case. She handed down a protective order on trump and his legal team. She also gave a clear warning that the more a party makes inflammatory statements, the greater the urgency there will be to move this trial quickly,. Your thoughts on her No Nonsense Approach so far. You are absolutely right, it was a No Nonsense Approach. She said, i know you are in the middle of a political campaign, but youre not going to be treated differently than the other defendants. Which clearly did not go well. It is a No Nonsense Approach. I think shes absolutely right. To do it considering all that weve experienced with trump and his supporters. There was a guy who was killed by the fbi a few days ago because of his intention to attack or statements that heat made threatening joe biden. Weve already seen violent incidents with potential witness tampering. Potential intimidation of this judge, other people who may be involved in the case. Absolutely right to do what she had done trump will continue to do what has been a Winning Strategy for him thus far make himself the martyr he has to be grieved in the scenario. Meaning that he will go out, and argue, look, theyre coming after me, this judge does not want me to talk whats going to be interesting is when he does open his mouth and he does Start Talking which we can assume that he will. What happens when he has to go back to court and face the judge. What will she say and do to try to essentially put a muzzle on him. Thats really where the rubber meets the road. I cannot imagine, maybe this is an instance where for the first time perhaps ever in his public life he actually listens to people and listens to his attorneys. I have to think that. I have to think that hes going to perform in the ways that we come accustomed to. Its going to go out and try his case in the public. Im not going to be holding my breath that donald trump is going to be listening to anybody certainly not to his lawyers, caroline, basils michael thank you to the both carol lam and Kurt Bardella basil smikle its never good when your president ial campaign titanic, ron desantis is a sinking ship next. Sinking ship next. When i was diagnosed with hiv, i didnt know who i would be. But here i am. Being me. Keep being you. And ask your Healthcare Provider about the number one prescribed hiv treatment, biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in many people whether youre 18 or 80. With one small pill, biktarvy fights hiv to help you get to undetectable and stay there whether youre just starting or replacing your current treatment. Research shows that taking hiv treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting hiv through sex. Serious side effects can occur, including Kidney Problems and kidney failure. 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After warren pledged not to bring charges under the states new 15week abortion. And then. More in Suspension Spark a months long legal battle, it eventually ended when the States Desantis Friendly Supreme Court throughout his challenge. Now, the states attorney is making it clear that she too wont back down without a fight. I am your duly elected State Attorney for the ninth judicial circuit. Nothing done by a weak dictator can change that. But under this tyranny, elected officials can be removed simply for political purposes but and by a win of the governor. And no matter how you feel about, me should not be okay with that. If the perfect guest for this conversation. Here to discuss this, nikki fried, chair of the Florida Democratic party, in a managers, mentioned andrew warren, the duly elected Hillsborough County State Attorney. Its great to have both of you with us. Nikki, id like to start with you. Welcome back on the show. This marks reboot number three for the Desantis Campaign in just as many months. Hes not getting any traction one so whatsoever. If your Campaign Needs that many overhauls in a full year before the election, is there a bigger problem at foot here then staffing . Could the issue be the candidate himself . Thank you again for having me back. Of course, its a candidate itself. You see on the campaign trail. You even saw him today in iowa. He is awkward. He doesnt interact with people. Even if you look at how he addresses individuals, people in the campaign, people just interacting with him look at his eyes. Theres a who is over his eyes because hes not making connections, which is what Public Servant need to do. They need to instill faith and confidence that you are going to take care of them. And hes not making those connections. The fact that this is his third review reboot, taking his Chief Of Staff, who ethics complaint against for threatening and holding over elected officials as legislators as well as lobbyists, Budget Line Item vetoes, and now they are taking this guy out of the Chief Of Staff position and putting his campaign manager, somebody who has never worked on a campaign before. I cant imagine how this is going to go well on this third reboot. At the end of the day, it is absolutely the candidate. Ron desantis is not connecting with people. Andrew, ron desantis and some have speculated for his motivation for going after monica worlds worked her suspension into his political speech. Take a listen to this. We and the prosecutor orlando she would prosecute cases. Shes people out of the street and made this one guy shot two Police Officers because he should have been in jail. And hes not there. So, i removed her from her post. Im not going to just we should note here that regarding that case, the governor reference, the suspect was shot dead during that incident was out on bail for a previous defense. And the states attorney said the Bonding Question was a judges decision and not hers. But what do you make of the governors attempt for the justification they are. Are you buying it. Or was this politically motivated . This was absolutely politically motivated. Governor desantis does not believe in the rule of law, period, full stop. This was another unconstitutional and illegal attack on our democracy. This was a political stunt by a man who is desperate to rescue his floundering campaign and when he suspended me we sued him in court. A judge said you are not allowed to do this and found that it was illegal, that it violated state and federal law. Yet, he does it again. This is a man who just doesnt care about what the law is. He is doing whatever he can to promote his own political agenda. And right now, to try to prop up his own failing campaign. Given how bad hes doing on a national level, nikki, do you think the states attorneys suspension and desantiss campaign could be connected . Is this a distraction . Do you think florida ron desantis given how tyrannical it seems he is. Of course they were duped. He did not campaign on any of this and he came in in 2023 the most aggressive legislative agenda that we have ever seen here in The State Of Florida and a sixweek abortion ban. A permitless and training going after our lgbtq community. Making it harder for people to vote again. The list goes on and on and on. So we are seeing that right now. He has dropped to the polls in florida. He has dropped 19 points here in underwater, and in fact if, the election was held today, he would lose his reelect. So, this is his attempt to come home. He hasnt been here in weeks. He comes home for 24 hours and goes after monique worrell. At the end of the day, this was politicallycharged, as andrew just said. She was the only State Attorney in the long before that incident he was talking about earlier today, this is his attempt to try to get back into the narrative of being the tough guy again. And at the end of the day, the people of our state are not buying it. People around the country are not buying it. Unfortunately, he is going to come back here into our state seeking revenge and this evil tyrant that we have here, i feel bad for the people of our state, which is why Florida Democrats are working around the clock to take back our state, because this is extremism that has backfired and has significant consequences on the people that are living here in our state. We have the highest inflation in the country. A property Insurance Market that is crumbling. And Economic Disaster here in our state and of course kids are back at school and we have the highest Teacher Shortage in the nation. He has created a Dumpster Fire here for state and, unfortunately, we are going to be living with these repercussions for a very long time. Andrew, desantis has been labeled a dictator and florida is, as we heard earlier, suffering from his tyranny. He has restricted what people can teach, what women can do with their bodies. And now you have to ousted elected members of an opposing party from elected office. Is this authoritarianism . Is ron desantis and authoritarian . He certainly pretending to be one. Look at his resume. He has championed and passed a lot of laws that are then thrown out by the courts as unconstitutional, for violating the very writes that he is supposed to protect. Hes gone after businesses that he disagreed with from disney and the Tampa Bay Rays because they just spoke out in opposition to his policies. He is gone after teachers. He doesnt like people teaching history accurately. Detect the lgbtq community. Hes gone after elected officials because of political reasons, and for pella the city reasons. By the way, that is not my opinion. That is a fact. That is what a federal judge founded our case, that the government had targeted me for political reasons and for publicity. So, hes doing this all to try to pretend to be this want to be authoritarian. The reality is that, right now, voters have more choices than a long john silvers menu. And if they want a candidate who is going to present solutions and a vision to make our country better, and what Governor Desantis is offering is this war on woke poetry and political stunts. Its not playing in florida. Its not playing nationally. Speaking of war on the woke, certainly with poetry, nikki, this week youve got florida shakespeares plays and then the full text you to the states new laws that restrict Classroom Materials whose content can be deemed sexual. Ive got to ask you, how do you think voters will react to the fact that even William Shakespeare under ron desantisss War On Culture is not safe . The chaos that is happening in his campaign is the same type of chaos that is happening at home. That you have School Boards that are changing the policies, whether they are going to be offering ap psychology, then they are not offering it, and offering it again, because they are scared. They are scared to move from office. I talk to School Board Members all across our state. And they are scared that they are going to be to move like and Monique Monique worrell pushing forward on academics. There is this Chilling Effect that is happening in our schools, which is why teachers are leaving, and are creating policies at a local level that are so insane, that, in fact, there is one that will make a teacher have to get permission in order to kill somebody by their nickname. So, if i am in school, i would have to get permission from my teacher to call me nikki. Thats a State Of Affairs here in florida. Not teaching black history. Not teaching the history of our nation. And of course, now is the latest of ap psychology and shakespeare. We are in some serious troubles here. But ron is out there, the iowa state fair, i think, putting a stick today in the eggs. That is where his priority is. Not coming home here and actually dealing with the issues. The people of our state just want government to work. It wants their elected officials that they elected to stay in office and to represented them. We all know that those who are in their elected officials are the ones that represent them the best and unfortunately he has made and im going to go further i know that andrew is being diplomatic. He is still in some lawsuits. He is a dictator. I call that in march of 2020, he is trying to do everything in the last three years to consolidate power, to put fear into the people of our state, and it is backfiring. Nikki fried, and editor warren, thank you to the both of you for joining us on this important conversation. Theres only one candidate for worst of the week. You know who it is. House oversight chair committee james comer. His lies about President Biden could turn into dangerous action from house republicans. We will tell you about. That ll you about that nooo. Nooo. Quick, the quicker picker upper bounty absorbs spills like a sponge. And is 2x more absorbent so you can use less. Bounty, the quicker picker upper. Rsv is in for a surprise. Meet arexvy. the first fdaapproved rsv vaccine. Arexvy is used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. Rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. 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Id vote for impeachment right now. I dont have to think twice about that. Ive always seen enough public corruption that makes me fear for the future of our country. Yeah. Im sure. As comer continues to conflate President Biden with his son hunter, theres been a Big Development in the Justice Department investigation into hunter biden with Attorney General Merrick Garland appointing announcing trumpappointed u. S. Attorney david weiss, who has been seeing overseeing the hunter probe, as special counsel status. But its a move that comer has demanded for months but he is actually upset, making based allegations that this move is somehow tantamount to a doj coverup. Get it . A coverup involving a trumpappointed u. S. Attorney doing the thing republicans want him to do, which is investigate hunter biden. Back with me is Kurt Bardella, a former spokesperson for republicans on the House Oversight committee. Kurt, comer got what he wanted with the special counsel. But hes still not satisfied. What will the Tech To Satisfy Jim Comer . You know, theres an old adage that you never argue with a drunk or a fool. Im not sure which one jim comer actually is in this equation, but, my god, it is just embarrassing. As someone who spent many years working at the oversight committee, on the republican side of the aisle, we used to believe internally that it is not a good idea to get out in front of the evidence. To miss manage expectations and build things up that you actually dont have the goods, on that you can prove. These clouds right now seem to have adopted the exact opposite of what used to be sound investigative strategy and messaging strategy, and instead they just make these wild Conspiracy Theory laced pronouncements and then they hope that the witnesses or the testimony all the documents will somehow back it up, when in actuality, by the time we actually hear from a witness, they tend to disprove what the claims Coma Republicans are making. We have seen comer saying later on a completely different than what comey are saying the other day. The righthand has no idea with the farright is doing. They seem like a bunch of plans that will all end up blowing this whole thing, and imperiling the very small republican majority. Because, Ayman Mohyeldin, i can tell, you people the American People dont give a crap about any of this right now. What do you make of comer vowing to subpoena the entire biden family to testify before the committee. We are now beyond the theater of the absurd. Talk about something that reeks of desperation. Thats what it is. It is so funny. Republicans are always the first to go out there and accuses democrats of using the reigns of power to get political retribution and to politicize everything and to do something for the 2024 election. Yet, why in the world, do you think, that james comer wants to bring the president and his family before congress for a Kangaroo Court tribunal . I cant imagine what they would want to do that so close to the 2024 elections. Lets just think about that for a second. Its just absurd. Its embarrassing. And frankly, kevin mccarthy, speaker of the house, needs to step in here and get his people under control. Because i can tell you, there are a lot of republicans who are going to be running in very contested races in november of next year who want no part of this. I was going to say, you dont have to be a political genius to figure out what republicans are doing here. Comer says he is interested in finding the facts. But, as we played earlier, hes already saying he would vote to impeach biden now before these facts even come out. How is this kind of talk going to play out among republicans . Surely, not everyone in the party is going to go along with james comer. Do you think this could potentially backfire if republican candidates have to begin to distance themselves from impeachment talk . It will be the litmus test for 2024. The problem with that for republicans is that that might score them it kills them in a general election. There is your appetite from the majority of the American People for the impeachment of joe biden, who has done nothing wrong. Theres not a shred of evidence connecting him to any wrongdoing at all. Comer is out there saying he would vote to impeach biden right now, and yet they admit didnt have any evidence linking joe biden to any of Hunter Bidens financial dealings. And you look at the context politically here. After just getting she lacked shlacked in ohio impeachment of joe biden. Thats not going to work. Kurt bardella, always good to see you, thanks so much for joining us. Quick break more ayman in a moment. Nt check. Psych and im about to steal this game from you just like i stole kelly carter in high school. You got no game dude, thats a foul and now youre ready to settle the score. Game over. 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