Its saturday august 12th, youre watching velshi. Im Charles ColemanJunior Filling in for my friend ali velshi. We begin this hour with the latest developments in the fastmoving case of the United States versus donald j trump. There are major developments in the Government Election interference case against the former president. Federal judge Tanya Chutkan granted the Special Counsel Team Request for protective order just yesterday. The protective order seek salute what trump can and cannot disclose about the case, and the trove of evidence that prosecutors are set to turn over to the defense during discovery. Now the government requested a protective order that covered all of the discovery materials. But the judges ruling did not go that far. It does stop trump from publicly sharing quote, material that the government doesnt, designates has sensitive. And quote. This would include things like personal information of possible witnesses, recordings, and transcripts of testimony. The defense argued that a protective order would infringe on trumps First Amendment rights. But chutkan noted quote, mr. Trump, like every american, has the First Amendment right to free speech, but that right is not absolute. Later in the hearing, she added quote, if that means that he cant say exactly what he wants to say about people who may be witnesses in this case, thats how its going to have to be. And quote. Seems straightforward to me. It was the first time both sides met in the courtroom with chutkan, the federal judge assigned to oversee this case. The next time they meet will be in a few weeks, august 28th, to discuss the actual trial date. The special counsels team has propose starting that trial on january 2nd 2024, which is a sign of how fast they want to move the case along. Now even though the defense has yet to respond, if we can clean anything from the other federal criminal case that donald trump is facing, they are likely to push for a much later date, so they can delay this as much as possible. For more on this, im now joined by nbc News Senior National political politics reporter, jonathan allen. Jonathan, so great to talk to you today. Listen, donald trump has been framing this protective order as such an infringement on his free speech rights, not being able to save what hes able to constitutionally under the law. How has he been talking about this on the campaign trail . Is it actually resignation with voters . Good morning charles. I was in New Hampshire earlier this week. Donald trump up and wyndham talking to a High School Gym full of supporters. Talking about his First Amendment rights being infringed, potentially being infringed. Hes anticipating what we just saw. A couple things about that, number one, his team did not object to the idea of a protective order. They knew that wouldve been futile. They simply asked for a different one. The fact that even his defense team believes that his free speech should be unfettered in this case was, you know, sort of rendered moot by the fact that they filed their own protective order. People who listen to him believed that his, they believe his First Amendment rights, his big supporters, they believe the First Amendment rights are being infringed. More importantly, im not even sure they care about the sort of technical nature of it. Theyre behind him one way or the other. I think what the judge said, the First Amendment right is not absolute seems pretty clear. Youre not allowed to surefire, shout fire in a crowded theater. I think the Supreme Court justice once said that. Youre not allowed to intimidate witnesses. Donald trump has a history of trying to pressure people with his public commentary, and ends up being charge right now at least in the documents case, you know, with regard to the possibility of the obstructed investigation that he put undue pressure on people to try and destroy evidence. So its not like the judge pulled this out of thin air. Fascinating to me that even as his attorneys in court try to argue for a different version of the protective order, the public narrative from donald trump is that hes against it entirely. And this is infringing upon his First Amendment rights. I want to turn for a moment to georgia. We know that donald trump has been criminally indicted three times, twice on the federal level. And a fourth indictment seems like its coming in georgia very soon. Whatever that means. The term has been flown around, along with a minute, which is my favorite. Has this had any effect on the republican primary field at all . Is it penetrating . Is it breaking through . Theres a certain number of republicans who are uncomfortable with donald trump, period. Theres a certain number who are uncomfortable with the idea of him being nominated out at a time where hes under indictment, or could even be convicted. And then theres a large group of republicans why there love trump No Matter What, or are concerned that republicans could lose the presidency so much that they vote for him anyway. I was talking about all stripes. I think what we know from the polling, what i know anecdotally from talking to voters is these indictments have created a rally around the flag effect for donald trump. His numbers have gone up. Youve seen ron desantis, the florida governor, of course stumbling under his own weight. But also sort of dropping into more distances. So trump is in good shape. Nbcs john allen. Thank you so much. Thank you charles. Joining me now is former federal prosecutor, my friend and colleague, msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. He is a professor at Georgetown School of law. And the author of the book chokehold, policing blackmon. Also with us is danny so fall, is another one of my treasured colleagues. Hes a criminal Defense Attorney, Cofounder Of Snowfall Is also an msnbc legal analyst. Super excited to talk to two of my favorite lawyers. Lets get right into it. Paul. The defense invoked this First Amendment argument as part of its strategy yesterday. But that is not with this case is actually about. Tell our viewers how the protective order actually is going to help ensure a fair trial Going Forward . So youre right charles. This case isnt about what donald trump said, its about what he did. The judge is a former federal, actually state prosecutor. A state public defender. She was very fair to donald trump, like she is to every defendant. But she made it clear that she is not going to put up with this typical stuff. So she went along with this protective order, and at the Defense Request from donald trump. That if he restricted to sensitive materials. But then she imposed are really raw definition of whats included in that category of sensitive materials. So charles, most of the 11 million pages of evidence that the trump team is going to get, trump will only be able to look at under adult supervision. Danny, to pauls point, its clear for anyone whos paying attention that judge chutkan is doing as good a job as possible in terms of balancing the interest of both parties, and not making it apparent one way or another that she is trying to point to either side. This is a fairly routine order, in terms of it being a protective order. The three of us have seen this over, and over again. What we havent seen before is the unprecedented nature of this case. And how it came up during yesterdays hearing. How do you think trumps president ial campaign could complicate how judge chutkan has to go about Crafting Rulings in this case Going Forward . The bottom line is this. They simply cannot forecast all the different ways that donald trump might use the information thats given to him through discovery, and put it, out either on social media, or in rallies, or even on the debate stage. That was always the challenge. It was uncontroversial that there was going to be a protective order. It wasnt controversial, just as you pointed out charles, the reality was, even his own defense team acknowledge that there would be a protective order. And they submitted a protective order that included things like, no, we agreed, he doesnt get actual copies. We show him things. But the parties, the government, and the defense couldnt agree on the contents of the protective order. That too by the way is both common, and non controversial. When that happens, the judge source it out. Thats exactly what she did. And guess what, split the difference, because she cant give the government everything she wanted. They wanted a lot more to be classified as sensitive stuff. The judge essentially said, will you dont get everything that sensitive. I define sensitive. And of course, the defense didnt get everything it wanted either. But the problem still exists that nobody, not the judge, not the defense team, not the government knows the infinite number of ways that donald trump may use this information. And of course, the First Amendment is not a non issue. It does have to be balanced against the idea that political speech is arguably more cherished than all other speech. So everyone acknowledges, including the judge, the trump needs to be able to go out there and talk about his case. The problem is, nobody knows exactly how hes going to do it. But trust me, the government will be watching like a hawk. If they think hes violating, or if they think hes threatening a witness, they think, he will be the first to go before the judge and bring it to our attention. Danny, paul and i are both former prosecutors, i want to ask you as a criminal Defense Attorney sitting with us, if you are Donald TrumpsDefense Attorney, how concerned are you that while you are in court, trying to deal with the contours of a protective order, your client is on the outside talking about his First Amendment rights, what he wants to say, and apparently trying to make it appear that if he wants to vocalize things, where hes going after his opponents, political enemies, or things witnesses in the case, that hes gonna continue to do it. How concerned are you about that . If youd asked me that question in 2016, i wouldve told you, criminal Defense Attorneys clients never help themselves when they go out and speak publicly about their case. Strangely for some reason, i cant fathom a lot of criminal defendants feeling like if they themselves are on a podium somewhere, get on social media, will be able to help their case. Thats virtually never true. They should never speak openly about their case. If you have asked me that in 2016, i mightve said Something Like a criminal Defense Attorney has to put his or her foot, down and see if a clients going out there to talk, then they need to withdrawal. But its 2023. Trump has had probably 1000 lawyer since then. Every one of them knows that donald trump is going to say and do what he wants, No Matter What you advise him. So now, being Donald Trumps attorney is out of the norm, in that york sent, essentially acknowledging that youre gonna do your best. But you probably dont even bother this point to have the top with the client. The top being, dont get on social media, dont make phone calls from the prism, theyre all recorded, i dont know why, you to both know, that the defendants never get. That they keep making phone calls from the prison, for all recorded, and used against them. But this is, you know, if theres a new paradox. If your trumps attorney, dont even bother having to talk with him about not speaking. Hes going to speak. And you do, i think his lawyers did a good job here. They recognize that, they did it their duty. They tried to knowing that doing so now might head off problems later. Now, paul, to dannys point trump has not only threatened that he is going to continue to speak, he is actually done it. He continues to attack people connected to this case. He has called jack smith deranged. He said mike pence, impossible witness in this trial, is delusional. It was already warned about this during an arraignment. Are we bordering on something along the lines of Witness Intimidation . Is that something that should be a serious concern for donald trump . Totally. But, it wont be a serious concern for trump for the reasons that danny outlined. He doesnt listen to anybody, including his Defense Attorneys. Yesterday the judge said she has the power to lock up defendants while they are awaiting trial. One reason she is gunning donald trump remain free is the promise at the arraignment not to do anything that can be construed as harassing or intimidating witnesses. Shes not going to give trump the benefit of the doubt. Everyone in that quorum knows that donald trump is going to violate judge trump can actually said yesterday that she sees a potential for a lot of problems especially in regards to witnesses. People, other than donald trump, do not have the benefit of a Secret Service detail. She can do things like sign him if she violates she can lock him up for contempt of court. The genius move yesterday was to suggest this other sanction. Moving up the trial date. If there is anything that might motivate donald trump to follow the rules, it might be that. He needs for his political ambition for this trial to happen as late as possible. He would prefer after the election, charles. I do not think the judge is going to have that. 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Last year prosecutor Andrew Warren was suspended in a similar fashion because warren pledged not to prosecute people who were seeking Abortion Care this is the latest in a long list in similar actions that desantis is taking to issue more and more control over the state of florida this laundry list includes going to war with disney whitewashing history lessons, eliminating Diversity Programs and public schools. Signing a slate of Extreme Anti Lgbtq bills. Quietly signing a very restrictive Abortion Bill into law to enemy now is the honorable Monique Worrell the Florida Attorney suspended by Governor Ron Desantis earlier this week thank you so much for being here now that these Diversion Programs have been canceled, they were central to your Policy Platform as a when you are campaigning, when you are running for office. What does that do for the people who are in these programs . These programs are suddenly ended in these folks have nowhere to go . Thank you for having me. Yes, this is going to harm our community. The policies that we implemented surrounding diversion are based in research. I spent 16 years as a professor at the university of Florida College of law. There i was the director of the Criminal Justice center. There was a lot of research that goes into the fact that diverting nonviolent people out of the criminal legal system build stronger, safer, communities. What we did with my first two and a half years in offices we expanded Diversion Programs so we could make it easier for people who just needed a little redirection to be able to get that without having their entire lives ruined by a criminal legal system that is unfair given. One, that once you have been in it, and there is a mugshot circling a view, it makes it difficult for you if not impossible for you define education, employment, and to see the light. Our Diversion Program with central to Public Safety in our community. Monique, as a former prosecutor i can tell you that so much about our conversations about crime and punishment are not data driven. The fact that you are talking about research being the impetus for why you divide these things are the candidate is so critically important. I do want to say that i feel like so much of the conversation is not only about desantiss action with respect to you but also the disenfranchisement of an entire block of black and brown voters. Lets really run this down here. You won your election, overwhelmingly, with about 66 of the vote. Of the jurisdiction that you were in charge of, about 60 of those voters are either black, latino, or people of color. When desantis makes this decision to suspend you because your politics dont align, in the, effectively, invalidating the votes of those who chose you to represent them as their prosecutor . It is another one of desantiss many forms of Voter Suppression in the state of florida. In addition to gerrymandering Court Districts and the Voting Districts as well as and forcing regulations against the individuals who are formerly incarcerated who recently gained their rights to vote under amendment for. Desantis then enacted Election Police went out arresting people. This was in an effort to scare people out of voting if they were unsure what their status was even though the supervisor of elections had confirmed their ability to vote. This is just the multitude of ways hes using to suppress the voters of blue counties in the state voted that did not support him in the elections. Yes, those counties include a lot of black and brown voters. Now, money, gallon ask you question it a lot of people maybe would not. We know that desantis doesnt have the greatest record when it comes to race. You are the only black woman who was a local prosecutor in florida. You were removed by desantis. You were replaced by a conservative judge who also happens to be a black man who ran against you and who you defeated. Do you believe, that some level, that desantis is summing his nose and playing in terms of who we treasure a place you so that he doesnt have to have the argument of a racist being applied to him with respect to this move . I wanted to clarify. I did not run against the individual he has chosen to replace me with. Iran against the individual who was that persons number two. That persons number two came in fourth place in our race for state attorney. Now he is, effectively, running the state attorneys office. I do want to get back to what you said about race. Essentially what desantis has done here is he has swapped one blackface for another. I think there is strategy in that. He believes the Minority Community will be torn when we face off in an election in 2024. Between voting for me in voting for him. This is bigger than just the fact that im black. I am black and what i stand for and what i believe in. Because, just because youre black doesnt mean that you believe and we substantiated truth about matt incarceration in this country. The fact that we need to come together and do something about it. Desantis to found someone who does not uphold values. Who didnt understand the research surrounding Mass Incarceration and the things that we need to do, has a civilized society, or the place that we call florida to reduce Mass Incarceration. There is definitely race baiting going on here from his part. But it is bigger than race. It transcends race. Monique but worrell thank you so much for joining us for such an important conversation. Well be watching the story Going Forward. After the break, the latest on the case against hunter biden. Now the son of a special counter investigation. There is more velshi stay tuned. Otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. For one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. 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Farxiga one morning last february woodruff was in her home in detroit getting her two daughters ready for school when Six Police Officers arrived in her home entertained her. She was eight months pregnant the time it ended up spending most of the day in jail for no good reason. She hadnt broken the law. There was no crime that she had committed. According to a report from a detroit investigator, the police used Automated Facial Recognition Technology to identify an unknown perpetrator of a robbery carjacking. Woodruffs photo was in a database from, guess what . A 2015 traffic stop. The a. I. Facial recognition search wrongfully identified woodruff as a defender she spent eight hours in jail detain for something she did not do you. After being released on a 100,000 dollar personal Bond Woodruff went straight to the hospital at the time she was dehydrated with a low heart rate and forced in the early contractions from all the stress of this ordeal. Now, she has filed a lawsuit against the detective responsible for negligence in processing that a. I. Facial recognition tool. This incident highlights a pattern of racial bias in our Justice System and an antique naje. If you years ago a series of studies show just how unjust a. I. Recognition is. The 2019 federal study found that asian blind people were up to 100 times more likely to be misidentified by facial recognition tools than white people. Middle aged white man and were identified correctly with the highest rates of accuracy. No surprise there. Black and Indigenous Women were identified with the lowest degrees of accuracy by a long shot. Also not a surprise. These implications are serious. Our Justice System is already known to be heavily biased against both black and brown people. With Artificial Intelligence becoming more and more common in different aspects of modern life, from policing, to medicine, to hiring processes. These prejudices that existed society being programed into algorithms that will be relied on more and more every day, this is all cause for concern. Joining me now is ben collins, Senior Reporter for nbc news. And doctor joy weenie. Founder of the algorithmic justice lead. Say that three times fast. Author of the upcoming book, unmasking a. I. My mission to protect what is human in a world of machines. Coming out this fall. She closely studied the link between racial and gender bias in a. I. Joy, i want to start with you. There is a recent article and Bloomberg Business that dives into how and why a. I. Bias is actually worse in more skewed than what exists in human bias already in society. That study is based on your work and your time at m. I. T. Can you just talk about why a. I. Bias is actually worse than the bias we are to have as humans . Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me and highlighting the work of the algorithmic justice lead. We are looking at a. I. Systems. We continue to see amplify racial bias, amplify racial binds, and also the gender bias we are seeing with black women Indigenous Women and as you spoke to before part of the reason and i amplifies this biases it perpetuates the bias that has already been seen so if it is more likely that a woman has been a misidentified or not as well represented in a particular data set, then the a. I. Is going to make that even worse. What we are seeing is a combination of algorithmic bias. The a. I. Systems work differently on different faces. Also, confirmation bias. Here we have a Feedback Loop where somebody is seeing a black person being labeled a suspect. It is than being given an indication that confirms that bias as well. This story of Porsche Woodruff in detroit, that experience a wrongful arrest. It exemplifies some of the real dangers that and poses. This has implications in policing, the Justice System, health care, our medical system, and more. Can you talk about what can happen with these types of tools when they are unreliable and racially biased . I think a good quote here its from julius caesar, the fault is not in the start but in ourselves. We program these programs with our own biases. That is what is at issue here. We have developed a new technology that exemplifies and extrapolate that buys into technology to make it seem like objective facts. Not quite chatgpt spinning out answers at a wrong but feel very ray. It is happening on this level with average recognition. They will get back numbers and say it might be 78 who it is. That is a be, sometimes, right . In class. But you are misidentifying a person. A b is not good enough. You need to be 100 . What we have seen recently is cops Police Forces of america and also the Military Of America Leaning into a eye practices for things like the border wall. Theres something called from the border who started oculus, nothing you put on your face for facebook. He is now in a. I. Border security stuff. There is a massive complex around. This it is simply not there yet. It is taking in all the vices, the human biases that feed into these algorithms and are making them even worse. There is also the danger that there is a bias that will exist in the criminal Justice System towards these types of identifications. And as much as if a jury were to hear, for example, this person was identified by antitechnology, it may cause a georgia say, well, this must be extra reliable, compared to the human eye. When you talk about the potential for things to go wrong there, there are so many different implications. Joy, i wanted to turn to you because this conversation, nationally, there has been such a pushback about diversity and inclusion on so many different respects. People often underestimate the ways that those types of discussions have implications here in this space. Can you talk to us a little bit about why it is so important to really push back on the conversation about having diverse Engineer Courses that actually program they i tried avoid this kind of bias continuing to develop . I think it is really important that we recognize that even if the systems were flawless, if they functioned perfectly, we would still have an issue. Facial recognition is dangerous when it works. It is dangerous wasnt doesnt work. As we saw with the false arrest. When we are thinking about the teams that are creating these systems, we want to have people with a variety of experiences. People who know that black women already have a higher infant mortality rate, ray . This compounds even what it means to put somebody in prison while theyre pregnant, which is already bad enough. What we already know about medical treatment of black women, black pregnant people, that is also out on top of this. As we are studying a. I. Systems, it is crucial that we also understand the cultural, social, political contacts. You brought up a great example with how jurors could be swayed. There is an app that was introduced that was a facial recognition and Biometric Technology app which would say this type of evidence cannot be used in court. Also prevent federal funds from being used by local agencies to get this type of technology, which has already been shown to be discriminatory and ineffective. Watching the Artificial Intelligence hearings in may, one thing i was particularly struck by is that there are a lot of elected officials who have a very limited understanding of these technologies. Im not gonna say that they dont know what theyre talking about, but their ability to understand them and to discuss them is probably not aligned with what theyre trying to regulate, and the degree to which they are forming policy. Do you see that gap in understanding is being an obstacle to actually having sensible policy that is going to help regulators go forward . I think we are having the wrong conversation. As you said, im not sure Congress Gets it. It is a lot to take, and right . It is an immediate conversation. The conversations around eric now is the a. I. Apocalypse. How these machines will become sentient in turn honestly whatever, that is not what is going to happen. The real harm is already taking place. It is already taking place in cases like this one with this misidentified person. It is also taking place where jobs are being handed over to computers that are simply not ready, getting rid of 10 of workforces in some cases. In the hope that a. I. Can eventually take over. This sort of new technology is working in the same way that other relatively predatory industrialized technology have taken over. They have targeted minority groups. They have targeted workers who dont have much say, or power, in this sort of thing. They cannot stand up and say, hey, are dog and taken away. Hey, i got misidentified in this crime. The conversation is about the a. I. Apocalypse. Not what is actually happening. Joy, i have about 60 seconds left. You are our export here. As rapidly as a eyes growing, there is not a whole lot of regulation there. We were just talking about that. What is actually needed . Give us the top three concerns you would say from a regulatory standpoint that need to be introduced to help get this thing under control . One thing that we do have is a blueprint froma. Rits that thee released last fall. On that list, one of the things that says is the systems need to be safe and effective. We didnt have that. Another piece is we need to have protections against algorithmic explanation, data privacy, and Human Alternatives and fall backs. We know what to do. We have been studying these systems for quite some time. We know the hype around a apocalypse is not where the focus needs to be. We also have had multiple Executive Orders coming out of the white house. I believe that they should add an Executive Order to create a National Registry for false arrest links to facial recognition that can build on the National Law Enforcement accountability database mandated in a more recent Executive Order on policing. There are steps to take. There is legislation like the facial recognition in Biometric Technology moratorium at. We have action steps. Now we have to take them. Beyond, fascinating. Critically important. Nbcs been colins and Doctor Joy Buolamwini thank you for joining me. Thats gonna do it for me for this edition of velshi. Thank you so much for watching. Ill be back tomorrow starting at 10 am all the way through noon eastern. Stay right where you are. My friend and colleague, alex quinton reports, begins right after a quick break. She is glowing. She is 1 of 1. 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