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This as were learning more about the Special Counsels other probe into election interference. So what did jack smith find in trumps twitter files . Also breaking, multiple arraignments this morning for alleged false electors in michigan. The charges they face in connection with the 2020 vote. Good to be with you. Its 10 00 eastern. Im Ana Cabrera Reporting from new york. We begin with the Breaking News out of hawaii this morning and the near apocalyptic scenes from the wildfires in maui. Authorities confirming that the death toll now stands at 36, an unfathomable number. As they say, it will still climb likely because Search And Rescue efforts are still underway at this hour. The pictures of the destruction on this island are just hard to wrap your brain around. The town of lahaina, a Historic Place in hawaii has been reduced to ashes. Nearly 300 homes and businesses now gone. My moms place is gone. My place is gone. Pretty much everybody i know lost everything that we have. I mean, i havent been able to assess, but everybody told me that front streets gone. Meteorologist Angie Lassman is standing by for us. First lets go to hawaii and nbc news correspondent dana griffin. So many people there just lost so much and the fires are still burning. Communications are still down, evacuations are still underway. I know youre at one of the shelters where people are trying to seek cover and comfort. Tell us what youre seeing and hearing right now. Good morning, ana, right now its about 4 00 in the morning. Were outside of Maui High School where about 3 to 400 evacuees slept here overnight. Everyone is devastated. A lot of people are still sleeping this morning. So we havent weve seen a few walking around. As you mentioned, this is just unprecedented and its devastating. People have lost loved ones. Theyve lost pets. Theyve lost homes. Some 300 plus businesses, homes, and landmarks are now destroyed. We are about 13 miles from the historic lahaina district, popular for tourists. This community fueled by the tourism industry. It is just devastating not only for people but also for the local economy. You know, yesterday just before sunrise when this fire really ripped through town, it forced people to evacuate. Some even had to jump into the ocean to get to safety. Heres one survivors story. I was the last one off the dock when the firestorm came through the banyon tree and took everything with it. I just ran out to the beach. Reporter at least a dozen people were pulled from the water. Some had to be flown to oahu for treatment at a burn center. Right now there are some 4,000 tourists that are trying to evacuate the island. Theyre planning to ship them out, put them up in buses and hopefully put them on planes to take them to another island. Right now the extent of the damage is unknown. We know that the Maui Fire Department is heading out at first light in about two hours to assess the damage and to also continue Search And Rescue. The number 36 fatalities likely to climb as they get out into those communities and see what else is left behind. Ana. Dana, just to be clear, are the fires now under control . Are they contained . Reporter well, thats the big question. They have not been able to assess that. It is nightfall. We know that they are still actively burning. They have not released any information on containment numbers, so hopefully well get those updated today. Thank you for the work youre doing there, and angie, we still dont know what exactly sparked the fires. We do know that Hurricane Winds and dry conditions really fueled them. Are conditions changing at all for the crews still battle . Theyre improving in short. Thats whats going to happen basically from now through the next couple of days. Well see those winds die down. We know the setup of those Pressure Systems that were to the North And South of the islands that really picked up those trade winds and brought them to gusts 50, even 60, close to 70 Miles Per Hour over the past 36 hours. The High Pressure to the north and hurricane to the south, theyre going to start to move away. With them those winds will start to lighten. That doesnt mean the winds are going to go down to zero. Well still likely see some breezy conditions in this area. It wont be quite as windy as it has been which of course made it a struggle for firefighters to get up in those helicopters to fight these fires. Over the next 24 hours these winds will start to subside. 38 Miles Per Hour here is what were calling for in the shortterm. By the time we get to this time tomorrow, say late into the overnight hours for thursday going into friday on the island, well see that come down to 10. Again, we could still see some gusty conditions, so maybe gusts as high as 20 Miles Per Hour. We know that its still fairly dry there. They have limited all of those Wind Warnings and fire warnings. Those have all come down. But we still are dealing with Drought Conditions in that area. Now, its not severe in the specific area that weve seen the worst of that damage. They do need the additional rainfall. This is fire season for them. The worst of their wildfires usually occur in august into september. So typical for this time of year. But of course all of those ingredients coming together with the really strong winds of those Pressure Systems sandwiching the island and bringing those winds up along with the dry conditions, the low humidity. If rain is on the way is the question. There is some passing showers. You saw it in part of danas shot there. Were going to see maybe a little more rain working on shore here over the next couple of days. No substantial amount of rain to battle that drought. It will help as far as the winds are concerned coming down over the next 24 hours. Really heartbreaking to see whats happening. Angie lassman, dana griffin, thank you. More Breaking News this hour, Donald Trumps codefendants in the classified documents case appearing in a courthouse in florida. Walt nauta and Carlos De Oliveira are set to enter pleas on new charges linked to a scheme to delete Surveillance Video at maralago. The former president has waived his appearance at this hearing. Also with us is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian along with joyce vance, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. So ken, what can we expect from todays Court Hearing . And explain why the former president was able to just waive his appearance. Former President Trump has been able to waive his appearance because hes already been arraigned in this case. This is a superseding indictment. Hes not required to appear to answer these latest charges. But the new codefendant, Carlos De Oliveira is required to appear. Walt nauta also expected to be there. If it does go forward, its a very standard, pro forma, routine kind of thing. We wouldnt be expected to learn much new about this case, which is a pretty dramatic expansion of the obstruction of Justice Charges in the classified documents cases. But its possible judge Aileen Cannon may address some of the other issues shes been raising lately including she criticized the Special Counsel and asked questions about a grand jury that it was using down here in d. C. To continue to investigate aspects of this case, and so we may see whether she theres also an issue about former President Trump requesting to view classified documents at his home in maralago. He wants the government to set up a special facility there where he can review the documents so he doesnt have to go to an fbi office. She may talk about that as with el. Well talk about that as well in just a second. Coming back to todays hearing, joyce, and these two codefendants, who will be appearing in court. Weve seen de oliveira have some problems getting a floridabased attorney. Do you think thats a legitimate issue for him . Are attorneys not wanting to be part of this case and his defense, or do you think this is a delay tactic . Well, there are a lot of attorneys, a lot of qualified Defense Attorneys in the Southern District of florida who would likely be delighted to be involved in a high profile case like this. So this looks more like delay than a legitimate search for an attorney, and at some point, the court can step in. They can even appoint Standby Counsel to handle the arraignment in the entry of his initial guilty plea, thats pro forma, and give him a deadline for finding an attorney. If he qualifies financially, the court might go ahead and appoint one for him. So trump asking the Justice Department to reestablish a secure facility in maralago so he and his lawyers can safely discuss classified documents. We know he had what they call a scif at maralago during his presidency. Joyce, does this seem like a reasonable request . Its not a reasonable request. For one thing, this is trump asking for Special Treatment that no other defendant would get. No one gets a scif built in their home or in this case i suppose their hotel when theyre involved in this sort of litigation for a lot of obvious reasons including cost, and yet again, time and delay. For trump this is a particularly disingenuous request because a federal judge does not have the ability to order the Intelligence Community to locate one of these highly secure facilities in a specific place, and its easy to understand just the lunacy of the notion that someone whos accused of Mishandling Documents would be entrusted with a scif. It would require 24hour surveillance to maintain its integrity and even then the Intelligence Community might have very legitimate concerns about doing Something Like this in this particular location. So this is a request thats Out Of Bounds in all regards. Ken, lets pivot to jack smiths other investigation into election interference. What more do we know about the Special Counsel obtaining a Search Warrant apparently in 2020 for Donald Trumps twitter account . Yeah, we learned that yesterday for the first time it had been secret since he applied for and obtained that Search Warrant in january of this year, and he also got an order against twitter that twitter not reveal the existence of that Search Warrant to donald trump and his legal team. Now, twitter contested that. They delayed and they were ordered to pay a 350,000 fine as a result. So we are seeing an appellate decision in that case that revealed the existence of this warrant and the decision does not tell us had what material jack smith was seeking. It tells us that he had probable cause to believe there was evidence of a Crime Associated with that twitter account, and look, we all know that twitter accounts are public, right . You can go online and look and read Donald Trumps now dormant twitter account, but whats not public are any direct messages that were sent by or to that account, potentially drafts of tweets that were not sent and metadata and other kinds of data associated with the account that might show whether he was tweeting from a phone or a computer. All that kind of information could be relevant to jack smiths investigation, ana. This was a Search Warrant in 2023, i think i misspoke, said 2020, obviously they were looking at his behavior and what he was doing on twitter in 2020. So joyce, why would they need this Search Warrant, though, when trumps tweets are all out there for the world to see, and what do you make of the Special Counsel getting permission to not tell trump that they were obtaining this Search Warrant . Right, so ana, ken has the most important detail here, which is that in order to get this Search Warrant, the government had to convince a federal judge that there was probable cause to believe that they would find evidence of crimes when they obtained the information about the twitter account, and that would seem to point directly to the direct messages that trump either sent or received in twitter. We know that he infamously does not text. That leaves open the question of whether he dms, but its possible that they could be based on information that they got in searching other peoples telephones or other peoples cell phones have decided that there would be information inside of the former president s account that would be revealing about some of the elements of the crimes they have to prove. This Nondisclosure Order suggests that this is anything but routine. If all the government was trying to do was authenticate trumps tweets or get surface level information, they wouldnt be entitled to the Nondisclosure Order. This is a very telling detail. Okay, well hope to learn more. Thank you so much, joyce vance and ken dilanian. I appreciate the conversation. When were back this just 60 seconds, multiple arraignments in michigan this morning for people charged in that states fake electors scheme. What we know about the allegations. 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So, no matter what, im running this kitchen. vo make the switch. Its your business. Its your verizon. More Breaking News, this morning out of michigan, where the arraignments for the majority of people charged in the fake elector scheme are happening right now. Michigan attorney general Dana Nessel Announing the charges last month alleging the defendant signed paperwork falsely claiming donald trump had won the 2020 election and that they would cast the states official electoral votes for him. And of course that would be when the Electoral College certified the results. Some of this evidence that was uncovered here you may recall came out during the house january 6th committees work. So far the seven people who have already entered their pleas all have pleaded not guilty so far. Joining us now from outside that courthouse in lansing is nbc news correspondent shaq brewster. Shaq, seems like a lot of activity, these backtoback arraignments. Hows the court navigating this . Reporter theyre relatively quick proceedings that weve been witnessing and theyve been mostly happening via zoom, the judge there in person but the defendants appearing via zoom. We saw the judge read through the counts, eight Felony Counts that all of them are facing. We heard the judge read through their rights. At this hour all 16 defendants have pleaded not guilty. The attorney general is arguing these defendants attempted to defraud the state of michigan by signing a certificate of votes that would have, if accepted, given the states 16 electoral votes to donald trump instead of joe biden who earned the most votes in this state, but ive been talking to the defendants rather than their attorneys, and theyre saying this is a political prosecution at worse and a stretch of the law at best. Theyre saying that despite the signatures that you saw, that was never a document that was intended to be used, despite it being sent to the national archives. Listen to a little bit of one of the conversations i had with one of the attorneys. It was just sent it was signed and sent to washington, d. C. , just in case Something Else came up . Its to preserve an objection. It was not to supersede the certificate of election that was sent, so no one really would think in their right mind i would maintain whether, again, in d. C. Or if we take a look here in michigan that this was to sort of have a forgery. Again, their document doesnt have the signature of the secretary of state. They didnt try to forge that. Reporter another attorney told me that his client never actually saw the certificate of votes, but only signed the second page where there was just a line for him to put his signature. This is just a preview of the arguments that we will hear in court if this ultimately goes to trial. We do know were expecting to see these defendants back in court later this month, ana. Shaquille brewster, thank you very much. Now to new details this morning about the fatal fbi shooting of a utah man accused of making online threats against President Biden and other public figures just days before the president s trip to that state. Nbcs senior White House Correspondent Kelly Odonnell is tracking the latest for us, kelly, what have we learned about these threats and what led to the shooting . Reporter well, good morning, ana, there are many more questions, and this will unfold. One thing we do know is the fbi had been aware of this particular suspect for several months. They were tipped off by a social Media Company that had concerns about the nature of his posts, and we know that they were particularly specific and graphic and violent. Officials say those posts crossed the line from political speech and commentary to what they think is the real potential for political violence, and of course this comes at a time where were seeing more of these events play out with threats and attacks against politicians and their families. New this morning, this video of the deadly encounter outside a utah mans home wednesday. The fbi was there to arrest him for alleged threats to assassinate President Biden. The suspect was shot and killed by agents just hours before the president was due to land in utah. The fbi says it had been tracking months of as a rule vulgar and violent threats against the president and other prominent democrats, made by craig d. Robinson. Wednesday morning the fbi says it shot and killed robinson while serving a warrant at his home. The s. W. A. T. Team went through his back door with a battering ram. They called for my neighbor to come out, and hes like, im not coming out [ bleep ]. Here is a look inside a Weapons Stockpile displayed on his social media. The timing became urgent wednesday when the suspect made fresh threats tied to the bidens scheduled visit. The fbi says robinson knew about the trip. I hear biden is coming to utah and referred to cleaning the dust off the sniper rifle. Investigators told the court his photos and comments showed robertson had the gear and was prepared to use sniper tactics. In the Arrest Warrant robertsons own posts described him as a maga trumper. The fbi also noted he had been wearing a trump hat when he was under surveillance. Pages of detailed and graphic Death Threats targeted many of the same public figures mr. Trump often talks about. Officials responsible for prosecuting the former president , including manhattan d. A. Alvin bragg. The criminal is the district attorney. Reporter more than angry words, the official papers charging robertson with crimes say he had, quote, intent to kill, at a minimum, d. A. Bragg and president joe biden. The fbi says robertson threatened federal agents too. President biden later arrived in utah and was briefed on the deadly incident and the threats. And of course the Secret Service deals with threats against the president. They have deferred to the fbi in this, and the fbi will at some point perhaps give us more details about the moment that weapons were discharged that ended the life of this suspect. What we do know is that some of the posts that he had used did make direct and explicit messages to the fbi, as if he knew they were watching his social media posts saying that if they came to his home, he would greet them with weapons. Ana. Kelly odonnell, thank you. And joining us now is rob damico, retired fbi agent and Hostage Rescue Team member. Rob, this happened after agents had gone to the suspects home to serve an Arrest Warrant. Given his history of threats including even against the fbi, knowing he had weapons, how would they have prepared for this kind of visit . Yes, so this is going to be one of the worst warrants youre going to have to do. You know hes armed. Hes very wellarmed. He showed pictures of nine of his weapons, sniper rifles, ar15s, all of those can penetrate a lot of gear that you even wear in protection. So its a bad one, and he actually mentions in a social media post about when they show up next time, they better have their guns ready because hes going to have his. Its really one of those the worstcase scenario for a s. W. A. T. Team. Kind of surprised a Hostage Rescue Team wasnt brought in, but timingwise the real threat to President Biden on sunday, the warrant on tuesday, and then they decided to do the warrant in the morning before President Biden showed up. And theyre very specific. He demonstrates he shot a hole through a nickel back in 92 or 82, i think, but he has weapons, suits he put all that in his page. One of the things he actually talks about when the fbi first surveilled him to identify him, they got the tip on march 19th from the National Threat center, when they talked to him, they said, hey, we want to talk to you. He said oh, i was just talking about a dream. And in the reference they talk about is to the d. A. Bragg where he actually says hes going to fulfill a dream by traveling to new york and then later tries to cover it up by saying, hey, i was just talking about a dream. There is a big difference in those. So you talked about some of what makes this case actionable for Law Enforcement to take action because of his behavior online, but sadly, so many threats are on the rise were told. There are new studies showing that 500 federal threat cases involving Public Officials have occurred in the last ten years. That sounds like a lot. We know the kind of polarized climate were in. We know, you know, what we see on social media. Do you think Law Enforcement needs more resources to handle these kinds of threats . It is. Its getting and every president gets them. So this threat showed, again, it wasnt just First Amendment intellectual like thoughts, i wish so and so would be dead or Something Like that. It actually shows intent. It shows that you have the means to do it. It shows youre starting to look at operationally operationally planning an event that you talk about. Theres a big difference, Behavioral Science Unit has many people that look at it. You can tell in writing when someones just going on and on, and then you also have to look at proximity. If someones maing a threat and theyre across the country, obviously its a little different. All those come into play. Were very conscious of First Amendment rights. People can say what they want, and then we have to monitor it for when it starts taking that operational look at it. Again, weve been doing it for years. Secret service has been doing it for years. They may start to need more just because of the rhetoric on both sides. Its starting to gear people up on the fringes. Rob damico, as always, appreciate you. Thank you for joining us. Now back to the Breaking News out of florida, we just learned the hearing for former President Trumps two codefendants in the classified documents case has just wrapped up. I want to bring in msnbcs katie phang who was in the courtroom for us. Katie, tell us what happened. Reporter so the long story short, ana, is that Carlos De Oliveira, the newest codefendant in the classified documents case brought by Special Counsel jack smith was not arraigned today. He still does not have local counsel. The judge set his arraignment for next tuesday august 15th at 10 00 a. M. At the force pierce federal courthouse. Its interesting because there was a gentleman by the last name morel who appeared who may be local counsel but when questioned by the judge indicated, quote, the details still havent been hammered out yet but were ready to go indicating theres something left to be done to secure his retention. Walt nauta did appear with his counsel and counsel for donald trump in the form of chris kise and todd blanche were here. Mr. Trump not here. Fascinatingly, again and again, his counsel kept on referring to him, as, quote, plump. The magistrate jump referred to him as mr. Trump. There was an attempt by this counsel for de oliveira, mr. Irving whos not local, said can we set this over for august 25th, which is the next major hearing in this case, and the Magistrate Judge said no. Judge cannon wants to make sure that counsel is in place as well as De Oliveira Being arraigned before the 25th of august. While i have you, i want to ask about new reporting we just got in about the judge in Donald Trumps d. C. Federal case there, now receiving extra security. In fact, she was seen this morning with three u. S. Marshals. Is that typical in a high profile case . Reporter yeah, so its not atypical to increase security not only for the judges but for the staff as well. Just, for example, ana, here at this small federal courthouse in fort pierce, there was a number of people that appeared, many of whom were supporters of donald trump, and so you can imagine at a larger place like d. C. With the bigger courthouse theres a possibility of there being something. But right now it is not rare to be able to obtain additional security for somebody like the judge. Obviously it is not good that the judge would be having the need for additional security as well as any of the staff. We know that the former president has been publicly attacking all the people who are involved in trying this case including prosecution, judges, and so forth along with family members. Katie phang, appreciate your reporting. Thanks for joining us. Up next on ana cabrera reports, inflation nation. Is your wallet in for some relief anytime soon . Were breaking down new Inflation Numbers just out a short time ago. Plus, the new reporting from propublica about Supreme Court Justice Clarence thomas, billionaires, private jets and lavish vacations. Jets and lavish vacations woman why did we choose safelite . We were loading our suv when. Crack safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when theyd arrive with a replacement we could trust. Thats service the way we want it. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. What do we always say, son . Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance. So you only pay for what you need. Thats my boy. 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This is the first time reach seen an increase in this figure. Were talking about the peak of inflation, which is june of last year. Were no longer comparing against that anymore. Mathematically that might be behind the reason weve seen a slight uptick. Where in the Price Categories did we see Price Inflation in the month of july. We did see it in the form of food prices going up by 22 . We also saw Energy Prices going up, gasoline has been going up in the past two months up 0. 1 between june and july. And shelter, mortgage payments, rent payments, that increasing by 0. 4 between those two months. I do want to contextualize this within the things we buy on an everyday basis if were talking about july of this year compared to july of last year. Prices for a lot of these categories have gone down. Broadly speaking weve seen food, gasoline, and also a milk decrease. Things like bread have increased almost 2 bucks now compared to a buck 72 last year. Different take place of Price Categories are increasing, others are falling, but broadly speaking, good to see that were past that Peak Inflation weve had in the summer last year, ana. That is such good news. Really happy to see some of those food prices going down. You all need to eat, thats for sure. Up next here on ana cabrera reports, Supreme Court Justice Clarence thomas in the spotlight again. The new reporting from propublica about the wealthy benefactors who have treated him to a luxury, i mean, luxurious lifestyle. Plus, the gop president ial contender who says he will not sign the Loyalty Pledge for the first primary debate. But i manage it well. Jardiance its a little pill with a big story to tell. I take oncedaily jardiance, at each days staaart. As time went on it was easy to seee. Im lowering my a1c. 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You can see fernando via va sense owe in the tan pants in the center of your Screen Walking out of an event surrounded by guards skprs then he gets into a white pickup truck when those gun shots began to ring out. A suspect died from wounds in the firefight that followed while the president suggested Organized Crime was behind the killing. The election is set to be held in about a week and a half. Back here in the u. S. , new reporting this morning about Supreme Court Justice Clarence thomas and dozens of luxury vacations, courtesy of some friends with deep pockets. Propublica is uncovering even more gifts thomas has received, at least 38 destination vacations including a yacht trip around the bahamas, 26 private jet flights, eight private helicopter rides, a dozen vip passes to pro and College Sporting events, two stays at luxury resorts in florida and jamaica, and a standing invitation to an exclusive resort on an Atlantic Coast golf club. This is almost certainly an undercount. The story goes on to note that while some of these stays may not have required disclosure, Ethics Experts told propublica that thomas may have violated the law by failing to disclose the flights, the yacht cruises and some of those sporting trips. Nbc news reached out to Justice Thomas for comment this morning. We havent heard back at this point. Lets bring in justin elliott, a propublica reporter who contributed to this story. Justin, these vacations all sound quite luxurious, but lets say you have rich friends who want to do something nice for you, whats the problem . What exactly are the rules for Supreme Court justices on accepting gifts . Yeah, its a great question. You know, one of the striking things about this reporting is that there are very few rules for the Supreme Court compared to other parts of the government. I mean, weve spoken to federal employees who say they cant even let somebody buy them lunch, let alone 100,000 vacation, but there is a code of conduct for judges that says youre not supposed to be taking gifts that would make a reasonable person think there was something improper going on, and weve talked to i think seven judges now from both parties who say they would never take anything close to this, just violates judicial norms. And as a public servant, you shouldnt be sort of living the life of a billionaire essentially on the dime of people that might be trying to influence you, which is, you know, what we found is happening here. I mean, accepting these gifts is just the first step. I guess maybe they wouldnt accept, but if you accept, youre supposed to disclose, right . To have that level of transparency, have there been any disclosures . Thats right. So i mean, one of the firm rules there are actually in the law passed back in the 70s after the watergate scandals is that even if you accept these types of lavish gifts, you have to disclose it publicly, these judges and justices file these annual disclosures, and Justice Thomas for more than 20 years now has not been disclosing these trips, you know, as you mentioned, you know, dozens of private jet flights provided by Billionaire Businessmen, vacations around the world to places like indonesia, the bahamas, jackson hole, wyoming, and the fact that he hasnt been disclosing these gifts is really in contrast to other judges including his colleagues. I mean, the late Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg as far as we know took one of these trips a single time. But the reason we know about it is she disclosed it, which everyone we talked to said is what she was supposed to do in accordance with the law. This disclosure statute, which Ethics Experts tell us Justice Thomas has been violating, you know, does not appear to be something thats been enforced for, you know, decades now. And justin, the piece notes that the total value of the undisclosed trips since theyve given thomas since 1991, is difficult to measure, but its likely in the millions. So who . Whos paying for all of this, and how are these wealthy people benefitting, if at all . Yeah, its a great question. So what we found is that so far we know of four very wealthy in some case Billionaire Businessmen who are picking up the tab for these vacations and private jet flights. You know, weve written a lot about harlan crow, the dallas real estate billionaire, in this story, you know, the wealthy businessmen include a Guy Named David Sokol who was a Top Executive at berkshire hathaway, Warren Buffetts company, the late Wayne Hizenga who owned the miami dolphins. These are people who are broadly ideologically aligned with thomas. We didnt find that they had actual cases before the court, but some of them are very generous political donors and have given to causes related to the courts and the law, so clearly have ideological interests. And you know, one sort of unanswered question still is what are they talking about with Justice Thomas with so much private time, you know, while theyre taking him on vacation or flying him around on private jets. You know, its something that were still reporting on and we dont really fully know the answer yet. Youve been doing incredible reporting. This is a very long and thorough piece. Explain for our viewers how you and your colleagues uncovered all of these details and all of that leg work that went into really doing your Due Diligence before publishing this. Yeah, i think the insight with this reporting is that if youre living essentially like a billionaire, which is how Justice Thomas has been spending his leisure time, it requires a huge number of essentially service workers, you know, the people that fly the private jets, the fishing guides, the White River Rafting guides in wyoming, and my colleagues and i have been spending a lot of time talking to those people as well as legal experts, you know, getting flight data from the government to piece all this together, its taken months, but were still reporting if anyone out there, you know, knows anything we should, please get in touch. Justin elliott, thank you so much for taking the tame. Great reporting. Encourage our viewers to go to propublica to read it for themselves. Thank you. Up next on ana cabrera reports, corn dogs, fried butter and some good Old Fashioned retail politics. 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Lets bring in dasha burns in des moines, iowa, for us. Walk us through who we can expect at the iowa state fair. Reporter ana, this is the opportunity for candidates to show they are the real deal, by, youre right, eating anything and everything fried. Ive got my eye on these Fried Cheese Curds here. Weve got deep fried oreos, brownies and twinkies, pickle dogs over here. Look, this is a storied tradition, and while it could be a lot of fun, it could also be an opportunity to have to cross some land mines here. This is a place of some historic political gaps. Are you going to wear the right shoes . Are you going to eat the right fried stuff and eat it the right way. So this is a chance for voters to really sniff out the authenticity from these candidates, and today were going to see mike pence here. Were going to see doug bergam, on saturday is the clash on the titans a lot of folks have been waiting for. Donald trump is going to be here and ron desantis is going to be here on the same day. The same day also were going to see nikki haley, Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert Kennedy jr. , of course and Robert Kennedy jr. , the democratic candidate. Everybody is going to be coming to the fair at some point. It is a tenday event. And they have got a lot to prove to these iowa voters. We have been talking to them and they are ready to sniff out who is the real deal and who is not. I see the dogs behind you. It is calling my name. It is lunch time after all. Thank you so much, dasha burns, live for us at the iowa state fair. Up next on ana cabrera reports, some lucky people are about to head to the edge of space aboard a Virgin Galactic Space Tourism flight. Youre looking at live pictures as they get ready for the flight and i believe thats the plane that will be carrying the spacecraft at least part way. So were back after this with much more and the details from truth or consequences, new mexico. 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Um, its called commitment. Could you turn down the volume . Here, you can try. Get way more into what your into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Welcome back. Come take a look at this. This is the mother ship for galactics second space flight, the first with private customers. Once it reaches high enough altitude, the shuttle will separate to take flight. On board is retired british olympian jon goodwin who paid close to a quarter of a Million Dollars for his ticket and this mother and daughter duo who won admission in a giveaway. Here is the plan for this flight. The first part is called a made it climb where it goes through the thickest parts of the atmosphere and at around 50,000 feet the mother ship releases the spaceship, which is boosted by a rocket to climb close to 250,000 feet above the earths surface. At the flights highest point, 300,000 feet up, the astronauts will experience several minutes of weightlessness and theyll see the curvature of earth against the blackness of space. Nbcs Marisa Potter is following the latest for us. Also joining us, theoretical physicist mishu. When we will see takeoff here . Any minute now. Hopefully we can pull the live stream up for you in a moment, you might be confused, you might be saying were talking about a flight that is supposed to happen in five minutes. The flight is under way. It is a 90minute flight overall. That mother ship and the spaceship together are flying through the air right now. Theyre going to reach a height of about 50,000 feet. Thats about 9 1 2 miles. Those final Safety Checks are being done every step of the way. And then once it reaches a safe altitude, then that rocket ship will launch just over the mother ship and that will be 50 miles above earth and then there will be several minutes of weightlessness. When we talk about some whole experience, those three minutes are what this whole entire experience are about, ana. Were talking about a 90minute flight in total for three minutes of weightlessness that every single one of them has probably spent their entire life waiting for and at the very end, that spaceship will glide on it a runway. Virgin galactic takeoffs and landings, not like anything we have seen before. Lets keep watching this. This is Space Tourism now. This is a new age of travel. Do you think the world is ready for this . Well, well see. But i think Richard Branson of Virgin Galactic has done it again, a number of firsts. The first time we have a mother daughter combination, the first time we have citizens of the caribbean into space, the first time we have an exolympian being on board, and the second time we have somebody with parkinsons disease being sent into space. So, were entering a new era. Were no longer in the era of competition between the Old Soviet Union and the United States with military pilots manning these things. Now wealthy individuals and if youre lucky you can win the lottery, you can get tickets to go on board. I think eventually well enter stage three, where Mom And Pop Go Into Outer Space and who knows, maybe one day youll be able to honeymoon on the moon. Oh, my gosh, can you imagine . I just i guess i thought it took months of preparation for astronauts to go into space. So how much risk is there for just any average joe to take this kind of trip . Well, just remember that there are risks involved. Rocket misfire, for example. We have seen many rocket misfires, about 1 of the time we have them. So just remember that going into outer space is not like a sunday picnic. Just remember that the history of space travel is like the history of the railroads. When the railroads first came out, it was basically used for the military to send troops and lumberjacks and industrialists. Station two is when wealthy individuals used the railroads for luxury liners, and then stage three is when mom and pop can take a ticket on a railroad. Were now entering stage two of this space exploration. And in other words, wealthy individuals at 450,000 a pop can now go into outer space. So if you have spare change, or half a million, you too can go into space. A little spare change, if you are a billionaire, maybe, because, again, 450,000 per passenger for a 90minute trip, that is, like, the very tip of the top 1 who could afford Something Like this. Richard branson says his mission is to make space accessible for everyone. How far off is that, do you think in. Realize we have a threeway race. This competition involved. Jeff bezos of amazon has his blue origin rocket, which takes up and goes into space and back down again like a conventional rocket. And then we have elon musk who is actually selling tickets to go to the moon. Think about that. A japanese billionaire has already bought up all the tickets for the first commercial flight to the moon, complements of spacex and elon musk. So we have a threeway race with elon musk leading the pack. He wants to go all the way to the moon and eventually to mars. When are you going to go, michio . Well, given the fact that 1 of the time we sometimes have rocket misfire, i think ill be more comfortable sitting in my chair. Okay. Now we know. Youre not much of a risk taker, are you . But just incredible to think that this is possible, what were watching. Thank you, both, so much. Marisa, michio, great to have both of you as part of this discussion. Thats going to do it for us today. Were going to hand it over it our friend jose diazbalart to pick up our coverage as we continue to follow this amazing historic day with the galactic space shuttle, Mission Number two under way. Thanks for being here. Good morning. It is 11 00 a. M. Eastern, 8 00 a. M. Pacific. Im jose diazbalart reporting from new york. Were following several breaking stories. In new mexico, were Just Moments Away from history, Virgin Galactic is set to blast into space with its first flight carrying paying customers. In hawaii, dozens are confirmed dead as officials desperately search for survivors. Residents escaing wildfires in maui with just moments to spare. I was the last one off the dock and the firestorm came through the trees and took everything with it. In florida, former President Donald Trump waving his in