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Warrant for donald trump. An Appeals Court opinion states, quote, the District Court found probable cause to search the twitter account for evidence of criminal offenses. Turns out that twitter and jack smith Squared Off On Whether Trump should be told about the Search Warrant, with the Federal Court ultimately ruling to keep the warrant a secret from trump. It says that, quote, the District Court found there was reasonable grounds to believe that disclosing the warrant to former President Trump would seriously jeopardize the Ongoing Investigation by giving him an opportunity to destroy evidence, change patterns of behavior or notify confederates. Its hard to remember now given that the expresident was banned for twitter for years and has not posted since his return, but his twitter account was one of the most powerful weapons in the aftermath of the 2020 election. He used it to spread baseless Conspiracy Theories to his millions of followers and urged his supporters to go to washington on january 6th. Be there, well be wild, galvanized farright extremists. The second memo written by coconspirator number 50. It has been obtained by the New York Times. We should note nbc news has not been able to independently authenticate the memo. The memo shows for the first time that lawyer Ken Et Chesebro acknowledged from the start that he was planning a bold strategy. But even if the plan did not ultimately pass legal muster at the highest level, he argued it would achieve two goals it would focus attention on claims of voter fraud and buy the Trump Campaign more time to win litigation that would deprive biden of electoral votes and or add to trumps column. Prosecutors allege that the memo was a critical moment in the plot to overturn the election, the moment when a concrete plan to derail president joe bidens victory came into focus, hinging on january 6th. The fraudulent elector memo suggested that the dedefendants electors contested states arizona, georgia, michigan, nevada, pennsylvania and wisconsin. On january 6th the Vice President should open and count the fraudulent votes setting up a fake controversy that would derail the proper Certificate Certification as president elect. With me at the table, former Top State Department official, rick stengel. Walk us through how we learned about it and the legal fight between the Special Counsel and twitter. Sure. We learned about it because this was newly unsealed. Its still redacted but it details not only the fact that the prosecutors wanted this information but they made credible arguments that in fact if donald trump knew about it, that he would try to destroy evidence or try to somehow publicly influence others to do something that would harm the investigation and even though with the existence of the investigation. In fact a judge ruled that this was true. I think what it does is it underscores the idea that donald trump is not somebody people believe could be trusted with evidence of any kind of information of any kind if it was going to benefit him to reveal it, manipulate it or somehow use it to make his own political case. I think this is really relevant today given the fact were about to go into a hearing where a judge in the January 6th Case is going to rule whether or not a standard protective order should be placed around the information that donald trump is able to see and receive and how hes able to use it. The timing on that not lost on any of us. Yeah. The twitter files that the Justice Department wants to retrieve clearly relate to that time period right around the election. All of those materials could be relevant. Its fairly typical for prosecutors to obtain social media from the platforms like twitter, like facebook and others. I think the only reason this is getting so much attention is they resisted in this case and it had to go to the Appeals Court to get timely compliance. But clearly there is evidence here that is important to jack smith and the investigators. So im sure well see pieces of that during the trial. Barbara, help us understand what you think that evidence might be. Because to state the obvious, trumps tweets are there for the world to see. You do not need a subpoena for that. What then do you think it was that jack smith was looking for . Well, to authenticate those documents, getting them right from his account is probably the best way to do that. To get documents into evidence, you have to show they are authentic. To just show a screen shot that somebody grabbed, it could open you to a defense of that wasnt my really my tweet, that was somebody elses, that was an imposter, some other fabrication. You have to show a whole chain of foundational evidence to show this is The One And Only donald trump who communicated this. If you can so hes the owner of that account and obtained that document directly from twitter, you can even put a twitter official employee on the stand to say, yes, i keep the records at twitter, this is the account of donald trump and this came from that account, that is the chain of evidence that you would need to show authentication of this exhibit in court. I know it seems obvious that weve all seen it and we know its donald trump, but in court under the rules of evidence, you have to actually show that chain for foundational purpose. Part of what were looking at here is the cause and the fact that im sure youll remember that the january 6 select committee put together in montage, the response that that December 19th Tweet got from extremists. Take a look. Its saturday, december 19th, the year is 2020 and one of the most Historic Events in American History has just taken place. President trump in the Early Morning hours today tweeted that he wants to the American People to march on washington, d. C. On january 6, 2021. And now donald trump is calling on his supporters to descend on washington, d. C. , january 6th. He is now calling on we, the people, to take action and to show our numbers. Were going to only be saved by millions of americans moving to washington, occupying the entire area, if necessary storming right into the capitol. You know, we know the rules of engagement. If you have enough people, you can push down any kind of a fence or a wall. This could be trumps last stand, and its a time when he has specifically called on his supporters to arrive in d. C. Thats something that may actually be the big push Trump Supporters need to say this is it, its now or never. You better understand some, son, you better understand something. Red [ bleep ] wave is going to be a red wedding going down january 6th. On that day trump says show up for a protest, its going to be wild. Based on what weve already seen from previous events, i think trump is absolutely correct. His twitter does not exist in a vacuum, right . It is a powerful tool and then there is an entire echo chamber that is there to up the ante. Im feeling post Traumatic Stress syndrome from having watched all of that. I know. One of the things that jack smith did was he didnt go down the path of the select committee in terms of using trumps speech as a form of incitement. I would argue his speech is not protected because it led directly to violence, which contradicts everything that those folks are saying. But smith was careful not to do that in his indictment. In fact, in the third paragraph of his indictment, he says trumps lies and fraud are protected by the First Amendment. What is not protected is using those as the basis for phony electoral scheme and to obstruct the proceedings of the ratification on january 6th. I think one of the things that this twitter stuff will do is it will foment more of the people defending trump saying that this is a First Amendment free speech violation. Its not at all. Jack smith did not indict trump for any violation of the First Amendment. He indicted him for defrauding the American Public. None of these things are legal arguments. Theyre meant to be political argument for his base to repeat over and over, this argument of the First Amendment. That was one piece. Katie, walk us through what your piece from the times obtained. The unindicted coconspirator number 5 is one of the several people that he had around him telling him legal strategies to undo the results of the election, Testing Courts around the country where they did in fact take many cases to court and they lost again and again and again and then after those losses, whats next . And so chesebro was Helping Eastman and donald trump to come up with a plan. One thing would be to say there were fake electors and chesboro says this is probably going to fail at the Supreme Court level, there are courts that wont allow this. But hes cognizant of not winning legally but politically in the minds of the public. Then he talks about things like, but, this could help us to convince people that there was fraud. This could help us to create a scenario in which donald trump is never in the vote count and it always looked like he won. Even if you get to the point where the Supreme Court says this isnt real, this is wrong, at that point in done, what he could have done is undermine the validity of the election itself, created a scenario in which americans across the country are not actually sure what happened and they dont know what to believe. Those are exactly the kind of circumstances you need to create if what you want to do is undo an election or retain power falsely. And part of what we have experienced, rick stengel, is that is the long tale, that is what has continued to haunt american democracy, the fact that he may not have succeeded the way he intended to, but he did convince a swath of American Voters that the past fair and free election was illegitimate. Yes. Its so complicated. The electoral counteract, which is the guiding legislation that covers this was actually passed in 1887 because it was compensating for the Tilden Versus Hayes election. Hes trying to use the law in his favor and basically say we dont think there was actually fraud but if we set up these separate electors for this state election theory, we can present the states with two separate electors, the fraudulent one, which was illegal and the legitimate one. Its complicated, its trying to fool voters. Its worked successfully for 150 years and he tried to undermine it. Im curious as you hear all of this, what does it say to you about chesboros legal exposure. Theres no mistake that is coconspirator number five. All of them could be charged. They have participated in this agreement to violate the law. I think hes a really important figure here. You may recall from the January 6th Hearings that he joined the Justice Department only in december of 2020, a very odd time to join the Justice Department theres just an election that trump has lost. People will be leaving but he joined at that time. He was the glue between john eastman and jeffrey clarke, this official at the Justice Department who almost became the acting attorney general. So he was the one who was the architect of all of this, Feeding The Eastman Theory into the Justice Department to sort of land launder it. You should never look at evidence in a vacuum because there is a lot of context to look at around it but this explains what the fake elector scheme was all about, it was about creating enough chaos to give cover for delay so donald trump could continue to throw sand in the gears of this election. And understanding this, dozens of people involved, campaign officials, lawyers, what does jack smith allege about trumps involvement himself . That donald trump knew that this scheme was wrong and false and predicated on the idea that there was Election Fraud and he had been told again and again by Justice Department officials by lawyers in the office of Legal Counsel and by others who were considered legitimate voices that he had actually loss. He wanted these plans to go forward knowing that in fact he had lost the election. And that is the crux of the Justice Departments argument, that donald trump, he can speak freely and he can say that he believes certain things but if hes been told again and again that things are wrong and what hes doing is stealing an election, that that speech does not protect that activity. Theres a remarkable twist for my fellow nerds is he reportedly cites law professor Lawrence Tribe in this investigation. Tribe is a prominent, vocal critic of donald trump. My own conclusion is that all of this, the indictment included is at least from mid November 2020 chesebro had a scheme including using my treaties that he used as my justice assistant, thereby casting me, wrongly, would make it easier for trump to circumvent the election law act. It seems like chesebro was trying to implicate Lawrence Tribe in all of this. I think tribe is a wellknown legal scholar. The idea is if we can train this was a theory advocated by Lawrence Tribe, the liberals wont know what to do with themselves. But in fact, as Professor Tribe writes what chesboro was really a bastardization, number one, that its unconstitutional and the other, that congress can change the law at any time and is not beholden to the laws of prior congresses. Thats true but they have to change the law. They cant ignore or flout the law just because they disagree with it. They must use normal legislative process to change the law. It is a Sleight Of Hand to say larry tribe would condone this plan whatsoever. They used him as a Stalking Horse there just as a form of disinformation. Katie, thank you so much for getting us started. Barb and rick, youre sticking with us. When we come back, were likely four days away for the already twiceimpeached, thrice indicted Vice President. And later in the show, an august Special Election, one that people were expecting low turnout for defying the odds yesterday. That story and more when Deadline White House continues after this. Ine white house cons after this you founded your Kayak Company because you love the ocean not spreadsheets. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. Indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. Visit indeed. Com hire rsv is in for a surprise. Meet arexvy. the first fdaapproved rsv vaccine. Arexvy is used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. 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At least three georgia officials could take the stage in the next few days as part of williss attempt to seek indictments. Former State Lawmakers jen jordan and bee wynn were present for that December 2020 hearing in which Rudy Giuliani peddled Conspiracy Theories for Election Fraud and posed a fake slate of electors. Barb and rick are back with us. Patricia, the Special Grand Jury spent nearly eight months helping willis compile evidence and later recommended indictments. How can we expect willis to use these witness necessary her presentation . Well, we certainly think shes going to use these witnesses to continue to late out her case that donald trump was involved in most likely a Criminal Conspiracy to overturn the Georgia Election results in a way that was not legal. That will most likely involve multiple other people, we understand, and the District Attorney here has many times brought rico, meaning they would be Racketeering Charges, indicating it would be sort of a large Criminal Conspiracy, including many people, different story lines and different efforts all getting to the same point, which would be to overturn the 2020 elections here in georgia. Barbara, here is one of those expected witnesses, former Georgia Republican Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan. What he describes as the Turning Point to overturn joe bidens win in georgia. Take a listen. For me one of the pinnacle kind of broken moments in this whole process was the state farm arena, right. Here we have this kind of cooked up, fake Senate Hearing that shows up at the Georgia Capitol that Rudy Giuliani put on for the sole purpose, in my opinion, in releasing a spliced video. He started to take those folks on the fence, good, Hard Working Republicans on the fence and all of the sudden the president of the United States is telling them its a real video and then Rudy Giuliani are telling them its real. Sure enough its not. Its bits and pieces of misinformation. It is additionally compelling what you hear witnesses lay out exactly what happened. These witnesses are going to be keep for building williss case. If you are willis, how do you deploy them in a way that tell as clear, linear narrative . Well, it appears that willis may be looking at several different schemes and maybe even using the rico statute to bring them all together. Keeping those straight could be a challenge for a jury. My guess is she would tell the story in chapters. She would talk about the fake electors chapter, the threat to poll workers chapter and threatening of the officials and Georgia State Legislature Might be its own chapter. We would hear from witnesses who could tell their stories so people could understand. I think one thing that is particularly compelling and that will give these witnesses credibility is many of these witnesses are republicans. It shouldnt matter whether youre a democrat or republican, but i think it makes it more difficult for trump and his lawyers to crossexamine them based on any political bias when you have Republican Office holders saying they were trying to sell a bill of goods to the georgia voters. And that strikes me in as much as that is true in legal court, which is most critical here, that also theres an element of truth for that in the court of public opinion, right . The fact that its not easy to dismiss anyone get up on that witness stand. These are republicans who dont want to be here, right . Who dont want to be in the middle of this standing up and doing the right thing and sharing with the people of georgia and the people of the United States what it was that happened that led to that day. Yes. And the fact that its local, Americans Trust their local mechanisms, their local institutions. According to reports half of the phony, bogus electors of the 16 have cooperated. Theyre all republican. When trump said to Brad Raffensperger that republican Secretary Of State, can you find the 11,780 votes, hes dealing with people who would supposedly support him but in the end, supported the law and supported the constitution. I think that will be powerful not only to the people of georgia but the people around the country. Patricia, this investigation began February 2021 before the January 6th Select Committee was established, before trumps second impeachment trial wrapped. What have you learned about the depth, the breadth of this investigation . Well, we have learned certainly by finding out who were witnesses in the Special Grand Jury Investigation and then again who was being duplicated in this investigation exactly what kind of strings and strands of a story line fani willis may be polling. We look at bea wynn on the end of Rudy Giulianis testimony. County officials were called, thats going to be an important part of this as well. Weve seen people including ruby freeman and shane moss also testify about exactly as they did to the january 6th committee about just the incredible effect, the incredibly damaging effect all of this had on them in their personal life, their personal safety, receiving multiple Death Threats and they were far from the own ones. We also know that Brad Raffenspergers wife testified to the Special Grand Jury about the Death Threats that she received. It was an incredibly dangerous time and i think that fani willis is trying to show that this wasnt just an effort to move around pieces of paper. This was not a victimless crime. There are people whose lives were just completely turned upside down and whose lives were put in serious danger by the acts of the former president and many of his associates. Weve learned it goes very deep, very wide, in some cases across the state and multiple story lines learned itself to the concept of a Racketeering Charge as well. Its just so remarkable we know so much before we read the indictment. A big part will be walking us through this chapter by chapter, but we already understand. We already have the tape that we have heard ad nauseam. I mean, it is going to be amazing to sit down with that indictment and almost see what more there is. Well, she has to tell the story in a linear way in a makes sense. And actually one of the things that are ironic about it is that she may use the rico statutes, which was first used by Rudy Giuliani when he was a prosecutor in the Southern District of new york if against the mafia. Shes turning the tables on him and what he did to the local Election Officials in official was odious. He ruined their lives with kind of impunity until now for this false elector scheme. Hold that thought. Turning the tables, going full circle, no one is going anywhere. Up next, much more on what are likely going to be the alleged crimes out of georgia and how whats happened there has had a chilling, longterm effect on every day people just trying to do their jobs. christina wanna know the secret ingredient to running my business . tina her. christina being all over, all at once. tina all the time. christina but my old network wasnt cutting it. And thats not good for baking. Or judging. Or writing. So, we switched to verizon, the Network Businesses rely on. With Verizon Business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. So, no matter what, im running this kitchen. vo make the switch. Its your business. Its your verizon. Being middle class right now, its tough making ends meet for sure. Republicans in congress say if we just cut taxes even more for the biggest corporations the money will eventually someday trickle trickle down to you. Right. Joe biden would rather just stop those corporations from charging so damn much. Capping the cost of drugs like insulin. Cracking down on Surprise Medical Bills and all those crazy junk fees. Theres more work to do. Tell the president to keep lowering costs for middle class families. Ive lost my name and ive lost my reputation. Ive lost my sense of security all because of group of people starting with number 45 and his ally Rudy Giuliani decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shea, to push their own lies about how the president ial election was stolen. I just dont do nothing anymore. I dont want to go anywhere. I second guess everything that i do. All because of lies. And me doing my job, same thing ive been doing forever. Its a heart breaking firstperson account heard before the january 6th election committee. Ruby freeman and shaye moss. Today there is brand new reporting that fani willis could be seeking justice for them in her expected indictments next week. Quote, the grand jurors approved several summons for people who visited her home and convinced her to falsely implicate herself. Several jurors recommended they were on the same page of people. Talk to us about this reporting and what it is that justice might look like. What we know from our own reporting and also from people inside the process that there were multiple people reaching out to ruby freeman and shaye moss. One gentleman was inside her home, was intercepted by deputies. He said i just want to talk to miss freeman and tell her the truth, im not going to hurt her. Other people, they werent so sure. So they were being surveilled, they were being in many cases harassed. They were, as we discussed, getting Death Threats. They had to move out of home and they were in real specific danger and peril. And so that goes beyond harassment. That certainly looks like it could be something that puts their lives in danger. And so we dont know exactly what the charges would look like but we do know that thats a significant piece of what fani willis is pursuing, again to demonstrate that this was not a victimless crime, this was not about submitting pieces of paper to a federal agency. This had very real world consequences in a way in a could have gone yes, very badly. We all saw Gabe Sperling come out in front of the cameras very famously. He was the deputy Secretary Of State here in georgia and he said, mr. Trump, you have got to call off your people, someone is going to get shot, someone was going to get killed. That was the environment in realtime. That was also sweeping up dominion Election Security workers, as long as anyone who was known to a poll worker. It really was a very dangerous time. Theres a sense from what we know from interviews with the special grand jurors that they would like to see some kind of punishment for that behavior, if only not just to punish for what happened but to prevent it from happening again in the future. It was bad and it could have been worse. Giuliani lied about freeman, lied about moss. They became public targets of trumps attacks. Speak to giulianis exposure. Giuliani we know was recorded talking about the exchange of information. Here they are passing what clearly is voting data on a usb drive, turns out to be a ginger mint. So the charges could be anything from conspiracy to violate election law to something more specific about these individual targets, threats, harassment, cyber stalking. Theres also been reporting that individuals approached shaye moss and asked her to falsely admit that she had been involved in Election Fraud. Now, if that is the case, then there could even be crimes of extortion or bribery if they were put up to that task by others. The reporting says those intermediaries have been questioned. It would be useful to know who asked them to do that, if anyone. They could be part of a conspiracy or bribery to get shaye moss to join in a fraud. What happened to freeman and to moss was terrible. Theres also a Chilling Effect that continues to this day where its becoming increasingly difficult for Election Officials to solicit Election Workers. Why would you want to do it if this is what youre facing . You, my friend, have actually been an Election Worker. So take us through what does it look like when you are actually in there doing your civic duty . So the larger idea is that democracy doesnt go on its own. People have to volunteer to participate. I volunteered to be an Election Worker in columbia county, new york where i live. And its eye opening because its so buttoned up. High and these are people who volunteer for a long day for long hours and get paid very little. The whole system of residents asking people their birthday. Its a belt and Suspender Roach that doesnt allow for Election Fraud. Youre counting them in realtime and during the dave and i would encourage people to do it because you see democracy in action. People coming up, voting by hand in this case, voting in their community. Theres no sense of who is a republican or whos a democrat. Theyre voting for what they think is the right thing to do. Thats a good system for all of us. To the point that you made that this is not just accountability for what happened, but setting a precedents so it does not happen before. Quote, several jurors ints viewed by the Atlanta Journal constitution spoke on the condition that they not be identified said they were deeply affected by the mother and daughters testimony and found no evidence of wrong doing on their part. Its not hard to manage the two of them given the video we have seen and telling their own story, being very compelling witnesses on the stand. Yeah, they must have been formally cleared by the station after the eggs had to be open because Donald Trumps associates accused them of participating in Election Fraud. And a good piece of that or a large piece of that was Rudy Giuliani going to the statehouse and the State Senator playing this video and releasing it on the internet, ruby freeman and shaye moss saying look at what theyre doing, these are suitcases full of illegal ballots. That was totally false. He was narrating it incorrectly. This was being carried on live tv and it was unleashed back into the world. There was no way to put his words back in his mouth and no way to undo the damage. And in his phone call with Brad Raffensperger, he continued to talk about the state ballots and continued to push this narrative, even though he was told they were false. It was pushed over and over again in different venues by President Trump and his associates and it is certainly a piece that we know the special grand jurors were really deeply affected by because it took it out of the realm of, well, theyre elected officials, public officials, arent they signing up for this . This is not what they signed up for and it was done to them in a way that was very, very damaging and continues to be for this. We talked about Fani Willis Laying This Out Chapter By chapter. How does she lay out the indictment and make it clear to people what it is that is at stake in this case . I think thats something that can be handled at trial. It can be in the indictment if its a speaking indictment, but i think to bring it home you have to show who the victims are in this case. One is we just said shaye moss and ruby put a face to the case so their testimony could be compelling. But all the motives of georgia are also the Federal Court. The victims are all of us. One of the things that jack smith case was to have that count four, which was deprivation of rights. All of the voters who didnt have their votes counted properly if trump had gotten his way under his conspiracy. I think in the same way framing this case as trying to victimize the people of georgia, the people who voted for joe biden and had their votes not counted. I think portraying all of them as the victims that they are will be an important part of her strategy as well. Indeed. Patricia murphy and barbara, you are sticking with me. Sticking with the coupe and one republicans windy road back to trump. That story is next. Ump. That story is next tourists tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists photographing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. That can be analyzed by ai in real time. So researchers can identify which areas are at risk. And help life underwater flourish. She found it. The feeling of finding the Psoriasis Treatment shes been looking for. 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And today kellogg has formally endorsed President Trump. He writes in part President Trump stands apart as a figure of unwavering determination, a deep vision for america and a courage to take a stand where others wont. Not exactly what he told the committee and not what he also said on january 6th when he urged pence to use trumps plan to jove turn the election. This is an email that i got from Keith On January 6th and the evening of january 6th in which he said the president is up in the residence, i recommend you stay up on the hill and finish the Electoral College issue tonight. I responded thats our plan. He said thats not a good plan, thats great plan. He knew. I dont know whether you call this hypocrisy, cowardice, selfpreservation to choose to endorse trump despite all of those receipts. It was also reported at the time that kellogg told pence to stay in place, not to leave the capitol and he argued with the Secret Service because he thought they were going to spirit him away someplace. So he was righteous on january 6th. There were a lot of people who were righteous on january 6th. Thats true. I dont understand if you put country over party and the constitution over victory why you wouldnt continuecase. Youd have to ask him why are you supporting donald trump after you basically saw that he was committing fraud against the American Public and trying to overturn the election . That should be disqualifying, i think. He told you, its that unwavering determination and deep vision for america that i am still waiting to see. Here is more of what kellogg had to say about mike pence in his endorsement of trump. While i respect his service to our nation, i must express my disappointment in his recent actions regarding President Trump. It is not the decisive leadership that we have seen from President Trump where President Trump is bold and unafraid to challenge the status quo, pence has often chosen the passive route, avoiding confrontation. It reads like mad libs, i want to acknowledge that. And it speaks a precarious position mike pence finds himself in where he is inching closer and closer to actually standing up toer the truth. This is the blowback he is getting from people he would ordinarily seek endorsements from. Well, and the one time mike pence was not passive is january 6th. Its a completely wrongheaded statement. What he did that day was bold where he stood up for the constitution and the republic over donald trump. So i dont understand that at all. And i guess you mentioned the word hypocrisy. That seems to be relevant here. I dont understand that at all how often we have circled back to that in this conversation. Rick stengel, as always, thank you so much. Quick break for us. Well be right back. Back. 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Migraine pain relief starts with u. Ask about ubrelvy. Learn how abbvie could help you save. This was four times the turnout that the Secretary Of State had predicted, and the race was overwhelming. It was clearly about it was clearly a rejection of the power grab that politicians in columbus were making. And then the voters it certainly was about abortion, but certainly was about the corruption in columbus and the power grab by state officials. With a huge turnout in the compelling 14point margin. Thats all good news for ohio, and its a bipartisan effort. Hi again, everyone. It is 5 00 in new york. Im Alicia Menendez in for nicolle wallace. That sound you hear is the resounding no from ohio voters in yesterdays election, sending an overwhelming message to republicans, do not take our reproductive freedoms away. More than Three Million ballots were cast in the Special Election, voting 5743 against issue 1, which would have made it harder to amend the states constitution. Issue 1 would have raised the Voting Threshold for amendments. It was an admit aid tempt by republicans to head off a November Vote on a measure that would enshrine Abortion Rights into ohios constitution. About the results, the ap reports voter opposition to the proposal was widespread, even spreading into traditionally republican territory. In early returns, support for the measure fell far short of former President Donald Trump in nearly every county. Ohio joins the ranks of six other states who have had ballots on Abortion Rights since the Supreme Courts decision last year that overturned roe. And in every case, the voters chose to protect womens Reproductive Rights. The washington potion details what these votes detail about the current electorate. Including ohios shows that in 500 of 510 counties, access to abortion outperformed President Bidens 2020 results. Across those counties, including a lot of deep red ones, the margin of support for Abortion Access topped bidens 2020 margin by an average of 26 points. A significant shift to the left. Abortion rights were a central pillar of yesterdays vote, voters also sent a message about what you heard senator brown allude to, a power grab by state officials. Republicans were trying to make it harder for certain voters the get their voices heard. It was power grab that President Biden acknowledged in his statement just last night. This measure was a blate attempt to further erode the freedom of women to make their own health care decisions. Ohioans spoke loud and clear tonight and democracy one. Joining us at Georgetown Law School and author of policing the womb individual women and the criminalization of motherhood, Michelle Goodwin is here. And former deputy National Security adviser to president obama ben rhodes. It is good to see you all. Minnie, we were here. We spoke on this program just yesterday. You said to me republicans are trying to change the rules, and theyre still going to lose. Well, you are right. When are republicans going to recognize that antiabortion positions are a loser for them, not just among democratic voters or independent voters, but among their own voters . Thats the Million Dollar question, right . I think as these losses continue to pile up, you are beginning the see some republican operatives and stakeholders and donors asking tough questions. There was news recently about a mega donor to ron desantis who has decided to pause on his contributions because he thinks the candidate is, quote, too extreme on abortion. And that raised a lot of eyebrows on our side, because it sounds like the Establishment Republicans are beginning to be caution and concerned. The candidates, however, are too far out there and extremists are too much in control of the infrastructure in the states we saw. Its important to note again, franklin rhodes, who championed this prop 1 is the candidate who is going to potentially be running against Sherrod Brown. So he made himself the face of the defense of abortion sorry, this election, a Ballot Initiative we knew was about abortion, and he is not shying away from it. So its not clear to me that candidates and republicans on the ground are getting it. But their donors are beginning to Pay Attention. Michelle, here is the thing. When the Supreme Court announced the Dobbs Decision, they said they were returning the decision back to the states. If you believe that, were now seeing time and time again what it is that voters in those states want. In kansas, 59 voted to keep abortion legal. Michigan, 57 voted to enshrine Abortion Rights into their state constitution, and now, 57 in ohio voted against issue one. This is an overwhelming message from voters here, michelle, and its not just voters who might consider themselves prochoice or proAbortion Rights. It is voters who are saying what republicans are doing is extreme government overreach. Thats right. And thats the concerning part. So even though weve seen these Ballot Initiatives be very successful on the behalf of Preserving Abortion rights or blocking in some indicates like kentucky where they wanted to permanently block access to Abortion Rights, and weve seen people come out, the real challenge that Voter Suppression is also taking place in the United States. So while on one hand, we see the ballot issues that attempt to undermine reproductive health, losing, at the same Time Critical states like michigan and others where Voter Suppression is at a high in georgia and other places like that. So while on one hand, this is Great Success and its unfortunate that the Supreme Court in dobbs said that look, if you care about Abortion Rights and you have to take to it the polls, that shouldnt have been the case when the court overturned roe v. Wade, at the same time i think we ought to be cautious and concerned about what this means in states where voting is such a high hurdle for so many people who have been historically disposed from the right to right to vote. To that point, the Voter Suppression wasnt on the dl. You had republicans saying yeah, this is what were doing. Were trying to make it harder, and were doing it specifically because were afraid of what theyre going to be able to do on Abortion Rights in ohio. I want to read you something from the Washington Post, e. J. Dionne. He brings, if issue 1 defeat was a statement about Abortion Rights, it was also harsh judgment against the antimajorityian politics the republicans are practicing in many states they control. Their efforts include highly partisan gerrymanders, efforts to make it harder for some groups to cast ballots, particularly black and younger voter, and State Takeovers of Election Demonstration in cities. There is an antidemocratic effort under way, ben, by republicans. And here is the thing. Voters see what they are doing, and voters are not standing for it. Thats right there. Is a lot of positive things to take away from this. And part of what i think has happened here, alicia, there have been discussions about threats to democracy for years. Particularly since trump came on the scene in 2016 and had so little regard for democrat norms. What was so important about the Dobbs Decision is that it clarified for people just what that could mean in practice. A fundamental right was taken away from half of the American People, and they didnt like it. So all of the sudden the arguments about democracy and the need to defend democracy, they were no longer academic. It got to the most personal foundational issues for a lot of voters. So i think that combination of the concern about democracy and the concern with this right being taken away, that is what has turbocharged the electorate. And look, this is staring us in the face. There is no way the democrats should have performed as well as they did in the last election based on every historical barometer. The main thing that was different in that election was the Dobbs Decision and the sense that republicans had become too extreme and were undermining democracy. And were seeing now, that is a voting issue, and frankly, a leading voting issue in this country. So were still accustomed the economy or even particular cultural issues. This is more foundational. And it is really telling that in a state like ohio that has been trending red, after voting for obama twice, voted for trump twice and was getting deeper red as it went, those voters in such a resounding way stood up against it tells you the tenor is up among the american voter. They dont like what theyre seeing. They understand the threat to democracy, and they dont like taking away Abortion Rights. One of the things that is interesting in as much as this is a win for ohio, it has a big impact on other states. Weve already seen groups in arizona launch a bid to Add Abortions to their state constitution. You and have i talked a lot about offensive wins and defensive wins. Talk about the ongoing efforts to protect womens rights in the aftermath of dobbs. Well, i think this conversation is so important. Thank you for continuing to focus on it. To understand where we are is also to understand that this is an issue that republicans have long actually supported Reproductive Rights. Roe v. Wade was a 72 decision. Five of those seven justices were republicanappointed. And the justice that wrote that opinion, Just Blackman was put on the court by richard nixon. When we are seeing these victories and it has become a shining light and beacon for other states, its important to be mindful there are republicans that support these issues. In fact, they overwhelmingly support these issues. That may not be seen by who dominates in terms of state legislators, but i think what were also seeing are republican women quite frankly standing up privately and going to the ballot boxes and voting not only on behalf of themselves, but voting on and a half of their daughters. Lets keep in mind that there are State Legislatures that are now refusing to allow exceptions for cases of rape and incest. And any mother looking across the table at her 8 or 9yearold daughter has to wonder, will i allow myself to be governed and ruled by these men who are governing the legislature, or will i stand up for my child if someone rapes my child, will she be forced as a 9 or 10yearold to become a mother simply because of where republican politics are today . And i think there are women who are voting no. We saw that in ohio. Right. Who dont want the government involved in those decisions. Ahead of the ohio election, a superpac put out a controversial ad. So here it is to remind us, a warning to you, our viewers that it gets a little steamy. Do you a condom . Yes. Sorry, you cant use those. What are you talk about . Who are you . Im your republican congressman. Now that were in charge, were banning birth control. This is our decision, not yours. Get out of our bedroom. I won the last election. Im not going anywhere. Im just going to watch and make sure you dont do anything illegal. Minni, what is the challenge of the messaging in this moment given that in some ways youre now messaging to a broader swath of the electorate, and there are different messages that resonate with those different corners of the electorate . So that ad was definitely eyeraising. It got a lot of attention. It went viral. But actually, the core message that works with the majority of americans is talking about our fundamental freedoms. And ill piggyback off of something that ben said. The end of roe really crystallized for folks how important those fundamental freedoms are, and how vulnerable they are and how under attack they are by the trump administration, the current courts, not just the Supreme Court, but many, many extremists embedded in the courts thanks to donald trump. So whats really important, when you talk about abortion, the reproductive freedom as a fundamental freedom, the freedom to decide if, when and how to have a family, it transcends politics, and its something that all americans can connect to. Its some of the best political ads in the midterms by folks like pat ryan, a veteran who tied his service for the fight for americas freedom to the freedom to decide when and if to have a family. We encourage candidates. We know that messaging works. We know that it transcends race, class, economic background and party. And its particularly persuasive with independent voters who are going to be critical for the biden harris ticket to get reelected and to preserve a set of majority and win back the house, which is how were going to pass federal legislation to codify and protect abortion acts nationwide. Ben, to pick up on your earlier analysis, there are a lot of folks who said yes, this issue resonated during the midterm because the decision was very recent. So it was very motiving to voters. But by the time you get to 2024, its going to feel like it was in the rear view, and people are not going to be focused on it. I would argue that watching what has happened in these states, youre actually seeing the stakes and the consequences, the reality that abortion is health care become increasingly real to voters. As michelle said, perhaps not just for themselves, but for their daughters. So i think you were actually seeing this issue, which once pundits argued would lose its heat going into 2024, only gaining momentum, especially in the context of what you laid out, right . A party that has become so extreme that it is no longer recognizable or tethered to the realities of what it means to be a person living in this country. I think youre spoton, alicia. Look, ive lived through big issues that determined elections in the past. The iraq war and the 2006 midterms, or the post financial crisis and backlash to the first years of obama, and on and on we can go. This is different. This is fundamentally different for a couple of reasons. The first is this was a constitutionally protected freedom, right . Reproductive freedom is something that the Supreme Court found should be constitutionally protected. To take away that kind of right from that many americans, its not like its a tax cut that theyre going forget in a couple of years. Thats a right that they won. Thats a decision that theyre not just going to absorb. Now second, you point out exactly correctly that its not like theyve taken their foot off the gas, the antiabortion movement. Theyre passing law in state after state, that people are reading about. If you are in those states, youre losing your rights. Youre losing your access to care. If youre not in those states, you are thinking that could be me if the election goes wrong in my state or the federal government. I think were actually potentially underestimating how long this issue is going to be around. Because this is something that people are not going to stop caring about this year, next year, or the year after that. This is something that is motivating people. And it is crystallizing for people what is so dangerous about having essentially an Antidemocratic Party in the Republican Party. Again, theyre telling us what their playbook is. Theyre staying in ohio, because we know we cant win this in a fair vote among our people, were just going to start to tinker around with how many votes they need to get and who can vote. People are aware of this. So the republicans had an advantage for a number of years in getting people they wanted to Pay Attention to down ballot state legislative races that is flipping now, and i think its largely buzz of this issue. Many of the initiatives that ohio voted down yesterday, a step, a big one. I want to loop back to something you talked about and let me put a fine point on it. We have the Abortion Rights amendment on the ballot in november. What needs to happen next . So it is an offyear election. Its important to understand that those are tough. Weve got over 100 members in the state. Weve got partners. Our partners on the ground, i just want the say incredible coalition of democracy, as well as Reproductive Rights held at justice organizers on the ground who have just been pounding the pay. That work doesnt stop. It continues to build between now and november. Its essentially in the off year fullblown election. Its going to be expensive. Opponents have already committed 50 million to this race. So we are back to work on the ground, raising money to fuel a big campaign. The good news is the momentum is on our side. But i cannot understate the importance right now of citizen activists, grassroots organizers, and the folks on the ground who are really doing the hard work to preserve democracy and democratic principles in ohio, but fundamental reproductive freedom. I cannot believe it is 24 hours since i spoke to you last. So much has transpired in that time. Michelle goodwin, mini, ben, thank you so much for getting us started. When we return, one of the organizers who helped defeat issue 1. What last nights victory would mean for the november Ballot Initiative to enshrine Abortion Rights in the state. Later for us, the draconian effects of floridas dont say gay law. Why High School Students in the Sunshine State will no longer be able to take ap psychology, all thanks to Governor Ron Desantis and his misguided war on woke. And Desantis Making headlines again, suspending another elected State Prosecutor in one of the states big cities. Deadline white house continues after a quick break. 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The election has yet to be finalized. The constitutional amendment to raise the threshold for Ballot Initiatives to pass from the simple majority to 60 was defeated by 57 to 43. And the turnout, especially for an off election in the middle of summer, well, it was huge. Almost twice as many people voted on then capped ballots in the statewide primaries last year. Joining our conversation, democratic congressman chantel brown. How are you feeling about last nights victory . I am feeling just like she was. I am super excited. I do want to start off by thanking you for having me and thanking the voters and the volunteers of ohio for showing up. Clearly the live they were fed up and fired up. And as a result, they showed up and showed out. This issue 1 referendum was a message to the rest of the country. As i said before, ohio has been a barometer, a litmus test, if you will, for the rest of the country, especially when it comes to politics. Weve heard the expression so goes ohio, so goes the nation. To that point, i want to get your take on some of the numbers from last night. This is the New York Times reporting this, quote, the ohio defeat was powered by a strong showing from democratic and swing voters. Opponents overperformed in some critical suburban battleground counties. In athens, for example, a democratic bastion in the form of ohio university. Voters opposed the measure by 71 . Last fall, former representative tim ryan, the democratic candidate who lost the senate race to j. D. Vance won the county by 61 . Katie paris, the founder of a group what organizes suburban women voters for democrats said she saw voters who wouldnt normally have turned into the election in the summer on an obscure political process get engaged. Abortion she said snaps them to attention. There is constant evidence of how personal she said. Its the perfect case study. I wonder for you, as someone who is familiar with watching those numbers roll in on election night, how does it feel to see voters show up like this in the middle of summer, on an off election year, for as they said, something that could seem like a Process Question . In ohio there is no such thing as an offyear election. We have elections over year. But the sad part is the Secretary Of State said the quiet part out loud. And he made this issue 1 about abortion. And what we learned and what we witnessed from the victory of this very critical election, which they the State Legislature deemed they would no longer have the Special Elections in august because people are not conditioned to vote. Theyre getting ready for back to school. Theyre vacationing. Theyre focused on their kids little league. But people were paying attention. When you talk about issues around abortion, that translates to health care. And health care does not only impact women, but it also impacts men. It does historically impact democrats. It impacts democrats and republicans and alike. This was never and it should have never been a partisan issue, right . This is a bipartisan result, and democrats and republicans and independents came together. It was a broad consistency of folks that wanted to make sure that we enshrined the right to protect peoples decisions, peoples ability to make their own health care decisions. So you talk about that Broad Coalition that came together. I am struck by Secretary Of State Franklin Rose running for senate again, Sherrod Brown. Give us his reaction to defeat. Writing, quote, now that his central issue has lost badly, rose will likely be the republican candidate challenging Sherrod Brown for senate. Blaming all the people he claims to want the represent. Im grateful that nearly 1. 3 million ohioans stood with us in this fight, but is only one battle in a long war. I wonder, are you surprised to see him continue to tie himself to an issue that voters in your states have overwhelmingly opposed . Sadly, i am not surprised. This is straight out of the, again, if you cant beat em, cheat em republican playbook. The extreme decisions of these Maga Extremist Right Wing republicans has no boundaries there doesnt seem to be any limit to where they will go. And so just like in kansas, just like in wisconsin, just like in michigan, ohio is proving that they are wrong on this issue. And sadly, they continue to dig their heels in further. But thats good news for democrats. So for us, we know that 58 of ohioans support peoples ability to make their own health care decisions. And again, thats a broad consistency. Not just women, not just men, not just democrats, republicans, or independents. Its everyone. So i think theyre going to have to change their strategy, because they should take a note from whats happened yesterday in ohio where we had over Three Million people, more than who showed up during our 2014 gubernatorial election. So this is an issue that people are certainly enthusiastic about and certainly are willing to Pay Attention and show up, despite the suppressive manufactured election efforts to try to intentionally silence the voice of the voters. So you have voters across this country in a number of states moving in one direction. Youve got the gop base moving in another. The Washington Post reporting thats a base that is beginning to coalesce behind a federal ban. Quote, the Republican Partys quest to restrict Abortion Rights a the state level continues to run into roadblocks. Meanwhile, the gop base appears to be warming to an alternative course. Restricting abortion at the federal level. Cnn poll conducted after roe was overturned. Republican voters who approved the Supreme Courts decision and overwhelmingly 83 to 16 , the politicians, quote, shall leave decision on Abortion Restrictions up to the states. The percentage who prefer to instead push for further restricts on Abortion Nationwide has doubled to 34 . They now lean in favor of state level restrictions 66 to 34 . Do you think your republican colleagues are feeling pressure . Do you hear that when you talk to them to play to the base on this issue . I think we witnessed the power of the people and that issues matter and that messaging matters. So i think that republicans do need to reevaluate their strategy. I think youre starting to see some republicans come around. We had, again, some republicans, Goran Ivanisevic john kasich and bob taft who supported issue 1. Im not sure where they stand on the effort that will take place in november. But what i do know is no one wants to be on the extreme side of things. And so in a state like ohio, after the Dobbs Decision was made and roe v. Wade was overturned, we were the state that had a 10yearold rape victim who had to flee the state because she could not access an abortion here. We are also the state that has a program of Volunteer Pilots that were helping women who dont have the resources to be able to fly out of the state to get access to abortion care. So when you think about these things as it relates to state by State Initiatives and a federal ban on abortion, that is wrong. It is wrong on every level. So we need to make sure we are doing serving the people that are that elected us to represent them. And that was another thing that was key about issue one. It wasnt just about abortion, although they said that quiet part out loud. But if you wondered about protecting the one person, one vote simple majority. And that will impact. Including raising the minimum wage and ending gerrymandering in a state like ohio. This was about choice. 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As we start a new school year, theres something new happening in californias public schools. Jessie theyre called Community Schools. David where parents and families, students and educators are Making Decisions as one. Damien its a real sense of community. Leslie we saw doubledigit gains in math, in english, and reading scores. David its an innovation thats transforming our public schools. Narrator californias Community Schools reimagining public education. High School Seniors are right around 18 years old. They can be drafted into the military. They can buy firearms to their hearts dont. Theyre old enough to vote. But in florida, apparently the age of 18 is not old enough to think about things that may matter most to them. The latest victim of floridas dont say gay bill, ap psychology. The Washington Post reports larger School Districts in the state are dropping plans to offer the course as discussions about Sexual Orientation could violate the law. Because nothing says advanced psychology quite like limiting Free Expression and avoiding complicated questions. Joining conversation, Randy Weingarten and an Advocacy Group for floridas lgbtq community. Randy, the post reports 8 of the 11 districts with the largest enrollment in ap psych are switching to alternate courses. One said it is sticking with the course. What is the actual harm done here . So what this is doing is just eroding opportunity for floridas students. And thats what thats what the governor is doing, and thats what the Department Of Education is doing. Ap sites, look, im an ap teacher. Ap psychs is one of the most popular ap courses. There is about 1800 people, 1400 kids in palm beach who were going to take it. There are 27,000 kids in florida who were going the take it. In the last few days, College Boards did the right thing. They said you cant just take a chapter out of Human Development and identity and say its ap psych. And frankly, i think those other Alternative Courses that are doing it, theyre going to be told that there is not going to be its not College Ready and its not appropriate. So the good news is today palm beach stepped up and said were giving it to our kids. And the teachers have said were doing this. And thats the pushback that weve been doing it. Brandon has been doing, that weve been doing to basically say you have a right, parents to make this decision. You have a right that your kids can go to this class. You can opt out of it. Give that class to kids in florida. You have been clear with us since the beginning, the dont say gay bill, it wasnt just about what was on paper. The consequences, the tentacles of it are ever expanding, right . And these kids, theyre not elementary children. Theyre young adults. They are living this in their life, even if they are not allowed to talk about it in the classroom. Yeah, youre absolutely right. And keep in mind, some of these students are 18, by the way. I appreciate that were getting to a solution. Im so grateful for palm beach and the other counties that have made the decision to go ahead and teach the course. But i think we need to be clear on two very specific things. Number one is that this is putting School Districts once again in an impossible situation thats being driven by the policy you just talked about. They get one set of guidance, no ap psych allowed from the Department Of Education, and a second later different guidance from the commissioner of education. Meanwhile, they have the careers of thousands of educators and the Class Schedule of Tens Of Thousands of students that are hanging in the balance. And they have a responsibility to do right by all of those people. So they get stuck wondering if offering the course might cost teachers their job, and also understanding that pulling the course out from under people is going to cost students their opportunity for college credits. Its no wonder that these tricks are paralyzed by this bigoted law. The second thing, this is the intended outcome. This has been the desantis mo for 4 and a half year. They use vague language and ominous threats to get communities to selfsensor so they feign ignorance. They dont get to wash their hands of this crisis. I think the School Districts should call the commissioners bluff. I think they should teach the course in its entirety. We should make no mistake that we did not have to be here. We are here because of this governors breathless obsession with queer people, a State Government that has been completely bent to his appetite for power and this War On Freedom that has put families in florida squarely in his crosshairs. Put a pin in your thought about your governor. I want to come back and talk about him as a president ial contender. Randi, i have got the get to this. Which apparently, William Shakespeare who died more than 700 years ago is woke now. Students in florida only are going to be reading excerpts from the bards play. From the associated press, several Shakespeare Plays use suggestive puns and innuendo, and its implied that the protagonists have had Premarital Sex in romeo and juliet. Its just parody. Go ahead. Its just ridiculous. The ap psych course has been around for 20 to 30 years. Shakespeare, 400 years ago. 400 years ago it was amazing. 200 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago. This is exactly what brandon just said. The confusion, the chaos, the taking things away, the keeping people on eggshells, that is the point. And it is harming students. It is frightening teachers. And im glad that palm beach has stood up. I will defend every teacher who teaches this course because they are doing it for students. Brandon, as a former floridian myself, someone who has family in florida, i care about all of this for the sake of florida. But i also think we have to look at what ron desantis has done in florida as a prelude to what it is he would intend to do where he to be elected president. He is showing us what this vision looks like. I think its interesting that when you look at the newest polling, the socalled war on woke isnt appealing to a national audience. People are just that is not what they are sitting around and thinking about as they go through their daytoday lives. Yeah. 100 . I mean, listen. Just listen to the conversation were having. Its not out of the onion. Its a real conversation that were having, and its totally absurd, especially when you consider the things that keep people up at night are whether they can put food on the table or whether theyre going to be able to fill their car with gas. They put an ad last year warning this very thing is going to happen. A proponent of the governors extreme agenda said we were being hyperbolic. No one is going to be censored. We were being hyperbolic. We were foreshadowing. The freedom to read is under siege in the state of florida. The freedom to learn is under siege in the state of florida. And we should take ron desantis at his word when he says his plan is to make america florida. He has already not just shown whats the road map, he has told us it is his blueprint for the country. So america, know that florida is your canary in the coal mine. It breaks my heart to say that as you noted, i moved here to florida 15 years ago. And i chose florida as my home. But i proved to Barack Obamas florida, not ron desantis florida. And it is really heartbreaking to watch the damage that he has done to the state and its reputation. A lot of freedoms under siege for a place that ron desantis claims to be a bastion of freedom. Randi weingarten, brandon wolf, as always, thank you both. 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One involved a man who shot and injured two Orlando Police officers over the weekend. Desantis in a statement saying, quote, we will not tolerate a state attorney who pursues an agenda at the state of floridians. Florida is a law and governor state. As long as im governor, it will stay that way. Joining us is the state attorney for Palm Beach County. Talk to us how unusual what the governor has done. Yeah, alicia, it really is troubling, because Monique Worrell was elected with 66. 6 of the vote. And if you read the order from the governor, it reads like a Campaign Flyer against her. Her political opponent would put out against her. They dont like that she is not tough enough on gun crimes or she hasnt filed enough charges under the mandatory minimum laws. She is maybe too slow in prosecuting juvenile cases. Okay. If you belief that, then the answer is to run against her and vote her out. But its not to remove her and take away the power of the voters to make a decision as to whats best for their own community. In fact, none of their policies was a surprise for her community. She ran as a progressive prosecutor, wanted to look at alternatives to incarceration. Although she and i may have some differences on our policies, the one thing i dont try do is to second guess the voters in a community that overwhelmingly elected her. What you saw today was undemocratic and unfortunate. I wonder, dave, as your fellow state attorneys watch this all goes down, if it impacts the way you approach your work and your job . You know, you cant run scared as a prosecutor. You cant keep looking over your shoulder to see what the governor is doing or what the polls are saying. A scared prosecutor is a dangerous prosecutor, because then they just go to the whims of the polls or just respond not based on the evidence and the law, but based on what a governor wants you to do or, you know, the political whims of the day. You cant do that. When you do that, you get in trouble. You become like nifong, the disgraced prosecutor in the duke lacrosse case. You have to focus on the evidence, the facts and the law. You to do justice. Sometimes that means youre contrary to public opinion. Sometimes youre going to irritate elected leaders at a statewide level. But you know what . You never expect that the leaders are going to remove you from office. But now weve seen it not just once, but this is the second time this governor has done that. There is a disenfranchisement of the 60 of voters who voted for her. There is also the fact that now she is being replaced with someone voters rejected. Just how chilling is that piece . Yeah, thats part of it, you know. Look, democracy has to mean something, right . But what youre seeing now is some of the leaders of the Republican Party that theyre using levers of power to do things they could not accomplish at the ballot box. It is up to the voters of her circuit to make these decisions. This is no surprise. She landed the progressive prosecutor. And now youre replacing her with someone who the voters did not vote for, and now she is going to run again in january 2025 excuse me, next november because her term extends until january 2025. But if she is voted into office again, you can count on this governor to remove her again. Dont look at the courts for an answer here, because andrew warrant went to Federal Court, and he got a judge appointed by bill clinton. And the judge said governor, you cant do this, but i cant undo it because of the 11th amendment. And so now andrew is stuck. And monique may be stuck as well. I dont think there is any good outcome for her or for andrew in this. Part of the reason we wanted to talk to you is because your county was leveraged at todays Press Conference as part of the just satisfy 5 indication for firing. Here is how the Herald Tribune described it. Attorney general general ashley moody said worrell dismissed more than 16,000 charges against defendants this past year, more than any other Florida State attorney. She said the dismissals stand out, being four times the number of dismissals in Palm Beach County where another Democrat Dave aronberg serves. As you sit there, what would that mean to you . Monique is my friend. Andrew warrant is my friend, and theyre good prosecutors. Look,. Andrew warren is my friend. Theyre good prosecutors. And they represent their communities. When my name is invoked like that, it really gives me quite frankly, because i hate to be used as a reason why my fellow prosecutors with being suspended. Theyre both democrats. They both follow the democrats and the law, and if you have a disagreement with the way youre doing it, you run against them. You vote them out at the ballot box. What you dont do is take away the voice of the voters and take away their choice. Just one more thing rick scott, a u. S. Senator whos very conservative, he was the previous governor. He had an issue with moniques predecessor. She said she would not impose the Death Penalty in any case. He removed all the Death Penalty cases from her. One thing he didnt think about doing is removing her from office entirely. Thats where we are today. Ive got less than a minute left. Can we talk about the irony of that statement about not tolerating a state attorney who pursues an agenda at the expense of floridians . Is that not what ron desantis is doing with the vast majority of his legislation . Yeah, you know, you wonder how popular some of these things are book bans and wars against disney and dont say gay and sixweek abortion bans. A lot of these things are counter to what the public wants, seem to be counter to democracy. Here you see it again, and it is worrisome, but i just dont feel like theres going to be any good news at the end of this rainbow, because the courts have refused to intervene. Dave aaronberg setting the stakes for us. Thank you so much for spending the time. The prosecutor suspended by governor desantis, she is going to be joy reids guest tonight on the reid out coming up at 7 00 p. M. Eastern. Quick break for us, and well be right back. Quick break for us, and well be right back family is just very important. Shes my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. Shes the rock of the family. Shes the person who holds everything together. Its a battle, you know im going to be there. Keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. In a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. 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