He never said and no, that is wrong. That is wrong. A Technical Violation Of The Constitution is not a violation of criminal law. Later on this hour, im going to speak with congresswoman Elaine Elmore about trumps indictment, efforts by her house aop but i will talk to former Ohio Republican governor John Case Ick about the struggle trumps liables are having in taking on the front runner directly, including the just mentioned mike pence. You can say right here that you will rule out voting for donald trump again for president . I will tell you, i dont think we will have to make that decision. But you do. Im confident i will be able to support the republican omni, especially if it is me. We are also keeping an eye on that major flooding in juneau, alaska, that has produced scenes like this one. And then a story of triumph. Simone biles returning to competition in a very big way. That story is coming up later on this hour as. Well we begin, though, with an Election Interference Case against former president , trumps legal team has until 5 pm tomorrow to respond to a request for a protective order filed across after a judge Last Night Rig rejected a request for an extension by the former president s attorneys, and as Trump Lawyers took his case to The Sunday Show to say that from former president continues to make his own arguments publicly in his signature style we and an appearance in South Carolina last. Night we and we sees Julie Circuit isnt colombia, South Carolina with the very latest. Also joining the, nbc legal analyst renal Defense AttorneyDanny Cevallos as well. Julie, let me start with you on this one. Do we know it all how the trump team is planning to respond . Does there seem to be any plans by the former president to cool down the rhetoric . Lets start with the first part of your question. We heard with the former president s lawyer all day long today essentially defending his client, of course, about saying he did nothing wrong as, well saying this is all politically motivated, he did not break any laws, even if a constitutional violation was question will. There they certainly plan to keep pushing back, especially as we got this protective order request. You mentioned some of that. Of course, this comes after the former president used his truth social platform to win special counsel jack smiths word try to threaten or intimidate witnesses that could be involved in the case against him, in the 2020 election interference probe. By the, way that when the former president was just a rain, don i know you were out there on thursday, less than 24 hours later, he hit those backtoback rallies in alabama, South Carolina, talking to crowds of supporters who really just ate every single thing he said completely up. Here is what he said yesterday, he asked to cool his rhetoric, this was after that protective order came down. Heres what he had to say in comparing himself to president biden, saying hes beating the current president in the polls, which i should note is not true. They are actually neck and neck. Watch. If i wasnt, if i wasnt, we wouldnt be under investigation by deranged jack smith. He is a deranged human being. Take a look at that face, you say that guy is a sick man. There is something wrong with him. Of course hes talking about jack smith there. He is saying hes beating biden in the polls, which is the only reason hes going after him. Obviously, the president very careful to point a separate special counsel. He is not talking about this investigation, he isnt even talking about the documents case as well. The former president s 2nd federal indictment, but all this comes down to the former president and what he wants to hear. He also took shots of the former Vice President and his running mate, mike pence, posting on truth social as well again, calling him delusional. Pants of course a critical witness in this election interference probe, his contemporaneous notes leading jack smith to producing some of that evidence that they will begin to hopefully share with the trump Team Starting tomorrow night. Julie circuit for us. We appreciate it, julie. Thank you. Lets talk through some more of this stuff. I want to turn first and foremost to this media blitz weve been seeing with jon mauro specifically, the defense as weve been seeing that he is mounting, this trial gets up and going. First and foremost, this criminal intent and the fact the former president actually believed that the election had been stolen from him. And on top of that, relying on the advice of his counsel. I want to play a part of what we heard from laura today and then we will talk. In order to have a violation of law, you have to have criminal intent. In this case, corrupt intent, and what that means is you have to have some desire to do something unlawful. If your attorney is telling you that you have a right to Petition Congress, and then that completely eliminates any criminal intent. The 2 things i think, of danny, you know im not a lawyer, i always say this, the desire to do something unlawful, the conversation he had with the former president Vice President of the United States when he said you are too honest, so its likely he knew in his mind he was doing something that was dishonest, i. E. Unlawful. And then relying on the advice of your council. Which council is he talking about . The attorney general, the assistant attorney general, the odion i White House Council as well, all told him he lost this election. I dont like the advice of counsel defense for a few different reasons. The first of which is it is too focused. If you deploy advice of counsel, and then you are giving up privilege and in addition you may have to take the stand to testify this is what my counsel told me and why i believed it. I think the more prudent approach is to back out and really call this more of a generally people telling me counselor not council that this is something i could do. I know it sounds strange now. Does it matter who these people are . Doesnt it matter who these people are . Who are we talking about . Conspiracy theorists . Thats what they point out, right . That someone said to him at one point, no, sir, there was not over 10,000 votes cast by people who had died. There were 12. Right, so for example the indictment lists that senior members of d. O. T. Told him there was nothing nefarious about the election. And that is significant to. Me but it also lists Vice President mike pence told him that. That is less significant to me. You also mentioned that, for example, people like johnny smith may have been discredited. At the same time, he was an employee constitutional scholar at the time. I get now that these are people who are considered cracked pots, thats not my, where that is former Vice President mike pences word. And hes probably right. But at least at the time, could trump have relied on what they were saying so that he didnt form the Requisite Intent . There is quite a showing the government has to make of intent. If you are someone reading the indictment and you say, for example, if it is true donald trump called sydney powell crazy, does that mean he shouldve disbelieved everything she said . I think there are a lot of reasonable minds that will say yes. A member of a jury might, say that is not quite enough for me. While i think the government has gone a long way, i dont think their intent evidence in the indictment is airtight yet. Okay, but why does intent really even matter if he was looking to break the law . If you were doing incentives everything. It is everything and intent goes to whether his purpose was to break the law. And away, this is intent, it is more about corrupt purpose in a sense. But if you say i think laura brought this up a couple days ago, if you brought if you say bank stole my money, if you believe a banks all your money, it doesnt mean you are than justified to go break into that bank and steal your money back. Thats a good analogy. Here is one i think maybe a little closer. If, for example, it is the case that donald trump believed he had lost and still made efforts to overturn the election, that might meet that level of intent. But if instead the Envy Evidence shows that he believed democrats had stolen the election and he doesnt even need that reason to believe, it its not a reasonable if the statute appears to require what he actually thought, the statutes, what im saying is i think the government has enough and i am sure they have more than is in the indictment. But intent, in this case, is everything. And we cant really poohpooh the idea that there is zero chance donald trump would be able to mount a defense based on intent. What you are saying is a great you are a great Defense Attorney. Burrow as well as delaying, in canada lenient, one of our correspondents on this air, he wrote this piece about some of the defenses that could be mounted by the former president s defense team. Coming up with this theory that in fact a would require trump to testify if in fact he did believe this election was stolen. Do you think that is a bad idea . The first 2 on that list, if we put it right back, up free speech relied on the advice of counsel. We talked about. Those free speech i dont think is as compelling as people are making it out to be. Free speech has never been an absolute right to commit crimes. While there is Supreme Court precedent that says it is legal to lie, i think this free speech argument is kind of a red herring. All roads, ultimately, lead to intent. That is the only thing that is the burden of proof for the government, really on all of the charges. Yeah, free speech is interesting, you do have a right to Petition Congress for redress, but it all comes back to his intent and what trump believed. For that reason, the government has the burden, not just any burden, beyond a reasonable doubt, as to his intent and purpose. I think that is what they are going to seize on. Whether they package it as advice of counsel or whether he reasonably believed or actually believed, its all the same. When you put donald trump on the stand . No, never. I would never put him on the stand. But heres the thing, the client has an absolute constitutional right to take the stand. The Rule Of Thumb is you dont put your client on the stand unless he has evidence that you just cant get from anywhere else. And you may be able to get evidence about what trump thought from other sources, just as the government has been able to get evidence that they will introduce about what was in trumps mind from other people than trump. I hear that baby coffin that background. I heard a child cough in the background. You are living my, life i know. Viewers dont know, Danny Cevallos, my kids are sitting right off camera as well. I, know mine are Danny Cevallos, my friend, as always, thank you. Coming up in just 60 seconds, former President Trumps rivals are framing the latest indictment from the former vp, mike pence, straddling the fence to former governor as a warning to dopey voters. 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I want Republican Voters to know, this is a preview of the election coming up, if donald trump is the nominee. He will be talking about donald trump rather than joe biden. And what we should be focused on is talking about joe biden and his record, and that is why he cannot be the nominee. All right, we want to bring in now for the former Ohio Governor msnbc political analyst, john kasich. Thank you, sir, for joining us on this. Appreciate it. Let me kind of get your overall reaction, first, so what weve been hearing from members of your party, in reaction to, of course, the latest indictment of the former president of the United States, and what could be in the pipeline, of course, an indictment coming out of fulton county. Well, first of all jasmine, i just want to make clear, im an american before im a republican. You know, the republican party, a lot of these guys and ladies have been just too quiet. And what they are playing with here, i dont happen to agree with them, is they are trying to figure out how to thread the needle. How do i capture the never trumpers at the same time, i get those people who sort of, they are for trump, but they really dont like him. How do i get them to join the never trumpers, to have a sizable enough number of voters where, you know, maybe i can figure out a way to thread that needle . I dont agree with them. I mean, its pretty clear what the guy has done here, particularly the last charge, in terms of his efforts to, i mean, look, there are all charges, right . We want the process to go forward. But its very serious charges about trying to stop the transfer of power. That is what has to be litigated and i think they should be very clear about that. So, my question is, we just played some sound here, obviously, of folks in a bit more vocally trump, youve been one of them, but also a former new jersey governor, chris christie, now it seems, as former Vice President stepping up to the plate as well, considering, it seems, his involvement and the notes that he gave over to the special counsel, as well. But amidst all of that, why isnt there more unified front amongst the republican party, right . Looking at this primary race of challengers, why isnt there a movement to consolidate power and understand maybe if they do, they could actually beat the former president of the United States in this primary race . Or are they too scared of the trump base . I mean, consolidate behind one candidate, is that what youre saying . Possibly. Its sort of like or even messaging wise. Anybody but, right . Well, everybody has their own views, number one. Number two, when people say, well, they all ought to get out, who ought to get out . I mean, if youre running for president , youre running for president because you think youre the best person. So, why All Of A Sudden would you say, okay, im just going to quit . Anymore than somebody comes in, a few to give up your time slot. What . I dont want to do that. They believe, they believe in what they are doing and so to, ask them to drop out when they think they are on a mission to help improve the country is not realistic. Now, jasmine, there is something a read today that i thought was very, very interesting. There is pulling that begins to indicate that this message that somehow the republicans got onto and virtually all of them about being anti woke is not working. I have been suggesting, on the air now for months, that this message does not connect with people, its a sliver of people that you are affecting, and people are more concerned about other issues, you know . The economy, crime in the cities, you know . And so, i saw that desantis is now starting to say, well, let me talk about the economy, let me talk about how we would govern. And i think its really good for the republicans to figure out how to get off the anti woke message and begin to appeal to people on things they care about. That, combined with the notion of trying to join the never trumpers, along with the weak biden people, you know, that might be the route that can get you there. But look, 80 , 83 of the republican members of the party think that these charges are not very serious against trump. Now, that might change, but right now they dont even believe what are in the charging documents. Not only do they not believe theyre not serious, they dont even believe what are in the charging documents. I mean, they dont read them because they dont believe a word that the special counsel or the Department Of Justice is putting in those 45 pages, because they believe in these conspiracy theories. I want to ask you quickly about something else. Wait a minute, let me just tell you. Lets not talk about conspiracy theories. A number of them will say is that i dont believe the elites and i dont believe the news media. That is a little bit different than saying there is a conspiracy. They really believe that these folks are all lined up against him and theyve looked at their lies, many of them, not all of the, many of them look at their lives and say, my life hadnt been very good. Ive been ripped off by the system and finally, we have somebody here whos, you know, kind of standing up and going against the system. I dont agree with that, but i think that explains why some of these people are that way. And look, the other thing is, go ahead. One other point i want to make and that is democrats believe that republicans are an existential threat. Republicans believe that democrats are an existential threat. Its just not one way. Both parties live in fear that the other party is going to have power and destroy their way of life. So, thats another thing that has to be factored into all of these discussions. So, i want to ask you one last thing and then weve got to go. And it is this thing that you brought up a couple of days ago about possibly a deal with former president could strike with the attorney generals office, right . With the special counsels office saying, listen, i wont run, right . Maybe these legal troubles would go away. Would that not then make it even kind of add to this idea that this is a political, politically fueled fight against the former president . That it is not about breaking the law, but it is about politics . Well, you know, i guess the way i would answer that is, i would suggesting, and still think, that it is possible that in order to avoid, you know, going to jail or something, that if he could make a settlement here, you know, and that is not, you know, that is something that you have to think about because other people have done it, you know . They plead the lesser things and then they kind of get away with it. So, i think the fact is that if thats the case, people have to feel the justice has been done, jasmine. If they feel as though justice has not been done, that its been a rip off, you are right. It feels more sense that things are just not right and that is not healthy either. So, we just have to see where this all goes but interesting times, isnt it . And in some ways, sad times. Certainly is on both fronts. Former governor john kasich, thank you, sir, appreciate it. Thank. 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We saw the attack on the capitol. The attack on the Police Officers and the insurrection. And so, for his lawyers or for him to somehow say that this was just a mistake and bad legal advice is pretty sad at this point. Joining me now, democratic representative from minnesota, ilhan omar. Thank you so much for joining us, congresswoman. Reappropriate you. You were a real target of january 6th rioters. You posted this video i want to show for folks while you are sheltering in place. And by that afternoon, you were calling for the former president s impeachment. Really, a full circle moment, i imagine, for you, as that indictment came down. What was your reaction . I was pleasantly surprised. I actually was one of those people that never really thought this day would come. You know, many of us have gotten used to seeing trump get away with his criminal activities. As president and even before that. Many of us believed that the january 6th commission, what they uncovered was not going to lead to much, thats the Department Of Justice was not going to take action. And the fact that this indictment has happened, i think, has restored some hope for myself and others in our Justice System. So, one of the Text Messages that i got back from some kind of political strategist after this indictment dropped was, okay, what now republicans do to weaponize the government to get back at what they see as the weaponization of the Department Of Justice by president biden, which is obviously inaccurate and, as to what is going on here. We are now seeing movement and, of course, calls for a potential impeachment of president biden, for what . We are not quite sure. Do you think this is something that could see a vote on the house floor . Well, we have to remember that trump is a cult leader and any Cult Follower is willing to die and commit crimes on behalf of their cult leader. These Cult Followers of his in congress are going to do everything that they can, including obstruction of justice. We have seen them previously threaten witnesses who would come in front of congress to speak about his criminality. We have seen people go to jail for obstructing justice, because of their loyalty to their cult leader. And i will not be surprised, i dont think the American People are going to be surprised, when they see a Sham Impeachment of biden take place and distract from the fact that there are actual criminal charges that their cult leader is facing, and that he is going to be held accountable. You are not going to get away with calling, you know, Georgia Officials and saying, i need 11,000 or so votes, in order to remain president. And that be found guilty for that. You know, not going to see anybody, you know, not notice the fact that not only did he ask pence to overthrow the election, but literally called a mob in to intimidate him and other members of congress. The level of criminality that the former president has engaged in is undoubtedly true and i believe that the Justice System is going to hold him accountable, regardless of what his Cult Followers do and believe. So, there is this Washington Post oped which kind of somewhat draws on what you were saying. But talking specifically about how, in fact, an impeachment could feasibly backfire on republicans. Im talking specifically, of course, an impeachment of former president bill clinton in which he gained popularity after that impeachment. In this russian post piece, they say, although the president s opponents think it would enable show them to how evil this administration supposedly is, the only once exposed by impeachment would be republicans, themselves. Yeah and the basis also on this impeachment that the republicans want to move forward is based on the president s son and his activities. The reality is, the president s son is a 50 sum year old man, who has never held a political position. His father, as president , or Vice President , has never given him any authority. Unlike trump in what he did with his children, and his in laws. So, the fact that they believe the American People cant see the hypocrisy in wanting to hold Trump Accountable for his sons actions, but never trying to hold Trump Accountable for the actions of his daughter and his soninlaw, and his sons, really is something that is, you know, to me, very hilarious and im sure very hilarious in telling to the american public. Two things, congresswoman, i want to get to before i let you go. First and foremost, the third specifically a black man that was shot and killed this week by Minnesota State patrol officers during a traffic stop. There are now calls to fire the three officers involved and you responded in a tweet saying this. Ricky cobb should be alive. Im in anguish with his family and our community that was experience far too much violence at the hands of Law Enforcement. The Video Footage is deeply disturbing, but only reiterate that what we already know. Interactions like these with Law Enforcement should not be a death sentence. We need to do more to ensure this never happens again. I have been in contact with State Leaders and im urging them to move swiftly to investigate and get justice for ricky and his family, calling for, of course, the removal of these officers involved, as well. What action needs to happen here . I mean, we obviously need, you know, swift investigation. Ricky was a constituent of mine and its really important for us to see a thorough investigation for there to be accountability and justice for him and his family. We also have to end this sort of execution that takes place in these kind there might be an interaction with Police Officers. In situations that should not escalate in the way that this situation escalated. We also need an overhaul of our Justice System to look at and get rid of opportunities that are created by the laws that we have for this kind of tragedy to take place. And i think its really important for that to happen. Congresswoman, i want to end on a high note. We tease it coming to you, high note, pun intended here, i should say. Celebrating Recreational Marijuana being legalized in your home state of minnesota. You performed with a band called ilhan omar and the music rockers. Why was this legalization so important . It was a long time in the making, you know . To join former governor jesse ventura, who introduced this idea 20 some years ago. He was really incredible minnesotan, hes been fighting as well to get rid of the Criminality Aspect that goes along with cannabis. There are so many people who have been incarcerated, the fact that this legislation allows for those convictions to be overturned and expunged is something to celebrate. So, its really exciting to first be at first its a historic place, that our beloved prince used to perform in. And it also was really cool to join, you know, over 100 minnesotans celebrating this really great achievement for our state. Quite historic, when you think about, obviously, prince and his history of music and and entertaining as well. The league has i got to perform on stage for the first time, so that was fun. My gosh. The lead singer of ilhan omar and the music rockers, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Im sure a record label will be calling you soon. [laughter] after the break, everybody, symone sores to victory in her first competition more than 700 days. The gold medal gymnast returned, as if she never left. We will be right back. Left we will be right back. We will be right back. H. 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And i want a Washington Post report on thursdays arraignment saying, quote, for all the online outrage, only a handful of Trump Supporters turned out to protest the latest charges against former president , continuing a shift in the right wing fervor that once drew thousands in d. C. With boat parades and mobilize a de facto maga militia, the armed groups that took his extremist rhetoric to the streets. Nbc news cnn reporter, ben collins, had been following the online response and joins me now. Ben, as always, great to talk to you. So, i was outside, obviously, the rain it on thursday, and it was a very poor showing, to say the least. It was just a small gaggle of folks there with a very large flags. Even smaller than we saw in florida and smaller than in new york as, well. Do you think they are being turned off, of course, by what weve been seeing with the january 6th rioters, the sentencing, and trials that have been playing out . Yeah, i think they are afraid, frankly, of the feds. They want dont want to end up on a list. I do want to say that there is this paranoid extreme of trump supporter now that believes that they are being constantly tracked. The thing right now is that they believe everything is being digitized, so all of their purchases, every look up on the internet, every, you, no phone call they make, is being tracked back to make it so they can eventually be politically persecuted. Thats a big thing. Called cbdcs, which they think are the eventual online coin of the internet and the United States government that will track them all the way through the world. So, they are very paranoid about the concept of showing up for trump in public, as they feel like they are going to be eventually imprisoned. Does that mean that his support isnt dwindling . I think probably there is probably, you know, its a little bit of both. Its not 1 to 1, but they are afraid, mostly, of being in jail. Wait, talk more about that because if youre looking online, right . Are you seeing still his support pretty full force or is there some conversation happening where folks are saying, well, you know, we still support him, but he might be a difficult guy to get behind, considering all the legal troubles that are bouncing . Based on the republican partys has never been more in support. At least some support of donald trump, because you see this in the polling, they have, in some cases, just take on ron desantis is far right policy ideas and that hes enacted in florida and said, donald trump will just do that. But the heat rhonda scientist. Like, on the trump forums, theyre very anti around desantis because trumps as well. They sort of listen to him for cues. For example, theyre not as upset at tim scott as trump has said explicitly. Be easy on tim scott. So, they listen to him as, you know, the top of The Food Chain here and i think thats just going to remain that way, by the way. For the rest of his life. I dont see this shifting in any way. This is a cult of personality around one guy and that is going to take an extraordinary event for that to change. What difference, if any, do you think . Because some argument has been made as to publicizing these trials and because of possibly these, you know, Extremist Factions watching it all play out, right . And seeing firsthand what actually took place. Would that make a difference . I dont know. I think its in the Public Interest for this stuff to be as public as possible. I dont think you can prosecute a former president who is running for president again and have that happen behind closed doors. I think exactly the ammo that extremists want. They want to think there is a big shady operation, even things behind closed doors. I think more public, the better, frankly. When i say that there is a paranoid extreme trump part of the party, its probably the dominant strain. You know, the idea that the government is secretly coming to get you, personally, is the entirety of his campaign. Its every single issue is shaped around that. There are, you know, ancillary parts of it, but they all have to connect back to that thats what this race is going to be about or at least it will be if donald trump is a candidate in 2024. Us against them and this being him indicative of that, i. E. , i have been prosecuted by the Department Of Justice, bidens Department Of Justice, over and over again, and it really is us against them. That is obviously trump talking, not me. Interesting stuff. Ben collins, as always, my friend, thank you, sir. Appreciate it. That wraps it up for me, everybody. Im yasmin vossoughian, im going to be in the chair this friday for Chris Jansing 1 to 3 pm eastern right here on msnbc. Im also going to be back in my chair, as usual, saturday and sundays two pm eastern. Symone starts right now. Ern. Symone starts right now. Greetings, everyone, you are watching symone. Attorneys for former President Donald Trump are busy, trying the 2020 election case in the court of public opinion. Even saying, trump commit a, quote, Technical Violation Of The Constitution. That is not really a crime. Will their Defense Arguments hold up in a court of law, though . We are asking our legal experts about that and the potential charges against trump coming in georgia. And delay, deny. The judge presiding over trumps Election Interference Case says, the defense cannot have more time to respond to a