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Im talking about, maybe, the idea that that bear was a person and that set the Internet Ablaze with everyone speculating. Because it looked way to real. What does it tell you, though, that neither the beer nor the dog is the craziest thing we have reported on it tells you, exactly, the world we are great show as always, my friend. Great to see you. Welcome to ayman, everyone. Weve got Breaking News in the Election Interference Case these Special Counsel has protected requested trumps debunked defense the empty arguments his legal team and his republican allies are already making. Then, the women at the center of the criminal trial what to know be about what judged Tanya Chutkan and her surprising history with the ex president. I am Ayman Mohyeldin. Lets get started. A riddle out of Breaking News this evening. Just moments ago a string of developments regarding Donald Trumps third and arguably judge Tanya Chutkan, who is overseeing this case just denied trumps legal team and extension to respond to a Protective Order request from the Special Counsels office. Now, prosecutors filed the request for the Protective Order with the judge last night, asking that to trump be barred from disclosing any evidence in the investigation, as the Discovery Phase begins. In the request, the Special Counsel cited a post from trump s failed social media site that said, quote, if you go after me, im coming after you. Now, prosecutors argued that post suggests trump might intimidate witnesses by improperly disclosing confidential evidence received from the government. Now, trumps team had asked for extra time to respond to this order. But judge chutkan has now made it clear. Trumps team must respond by the original deadline that she laid out. Monday at five pm eastern. The ex president had already received a warning from the Magistrate Judge who oversaw his arraignment, that judge reminded trump then that it is a crime to influence a juror or when this and retaliate against anyone for retaliating providing information to the prosecution. Lets note here, this is all taking place before trumped trump actually goes before a judge chutkan for the first time. His first hearing is now scheduled for august 28th. At that time, we will most likely get a trial date. Now, a lot has already happened since tuesday when jack smith made public the 45page indictment against trump. To some, Indictment Fatigue might be setting in in america. After all, we have already gone through this twice before. But unlike the first two indictments issued in new york and florida, this indictment is different. Put it simply, it is way more important. As Richard Hastened writes in slate, forget Hush Money Payments to porn stars hiddens as business expenses. Forget showing off classified documents about iran attack plans to visitors. And then order in the pool guy to erase the security tapes. Forget even corrupt attempts to interfere with Election Results in georgia in 2020. The federal indictment just handed down by Special Counsel jack smith is not only the most most important indictment by far of a former president donald trump, it is in fact the most the important indictment ever handed down to safeguard american democracy in the rule of law in any u. S. Court against anyone. As your casten also mentioned, this trial isnt just about accountability for trump and his allies. It is about a pillar of our democracy. Free and fair elections. It is about ensuring our founding principles are protected. And that if another trumplike figure comes along someday, he or she will look at how this ex president was held to account, and maybe, just maybe, think twice about trying to overturn an election. Joining me now to discuss this is my satellite panel, anthony coley, and maybe see justice and Legal Affairs analyst. Hes also former director of the office of public affairs, and former Senior Adviser to attorney general merrick garland. Cynthia alksne, nbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. And olivia troye, former Homeland Security advisor and Counter Terrorism advisor to Vice President mike pence. Its good to have all three of you with us. Cynthia, ill start with you. There were already reports this week about how judge chutkan would likely move this case through very quickly. And i think we just got a glimpse of that today with her swift response, appearing to prove that. Point do you think or moussa de set the tone for how she plans to see this case throughout . And what do you make of how todays string of legal news unraveled, quite rapidly, i would argue. It continues to unravel. Because the president former president continues to tweet in violation of her order which i feel sorry for the lawyers because they obviously have no control over their client. Hes either completely different because a woman of color telling him what to do, wordy he is purposely trying to push her to do something that he can raise money on down the road. But it is shocking that he was told not to retaliate against a witness and that is exactly what he has done on the pence tweet, and he was told not to interfere. And thats exactly with the threats that he has made are doing. And when she says, we expect a report by monday, and his lawyer say, im sorry, we dont think that makes, sense we want more time, but then they have time to go on five Television Shows tomorrow morning that is going to do nothing biden reach her. The one thing that the judge has absolute control over is her calendar and when that trial date is and the one thing trump really wants is to delay the trial. Remember, hes going to find out, this trial is not going to be delayed. Shes going to push it and push it very hard to be done before the election. You bring up really important when we will dig into it a little bit about the lawyers for trump, virulently ask you really quickly, as cynthia, to explain to us and viewers, the difference between a Protective Order which is what the Special Counsels actually asking for here and not a gag order. How do those two differ . Well, the Protective Order was something that just said, you are not going to you arent going to release the information about the witnesses. A gag order actually is stronger, which is, you are not going to speak on x y or z topics. Fanned whats really on also on the table here, is you have violated your terms of release. And maybe youre going to go in the back in handcuffs. Thats where we are on this. If he continues to push her, she may very well put him in the back the. If it was a regular person, ayman, if you had done this, if Ayman Mohyeldin the had violated terms of the release, the manner in which trump had done, you would be sitting in the back in handcuffs, eating a really bad cheese sandwich. The only reason why hes not doing that is because of politics. Im so glad you bring up that point. Because his allies every guy whos arrested, every person whos arrested in this country would be sitting in the back eating a cheese sandwich. Because this guy has gotten away with it for so long, and because there are so much strife in the country, it is a very difficult situation for her to manage him as a defendant. And shes going to have to walk very carefully. I was going to say, really quickly, sorry to step over you. But to your point, what we have seen time and time again, when his allies say, oh, trump is not receiving equal treatment. I would argue hes actually receiving special treatment because of who is. Because he is an ex president. Because hes now a president ial candidate. Hes getting away with things that me, or you, or any other normal citizen would never have been given the privilege to. Both in terms of the legal pace of this, but also just politically speaking. And, i want to get your thoughts, anthony, specifically about the Special Counsel here. In the Special Counsels request, they cite how trump has previously issued public statements on social media witnesses on social media, about witnesses, judges, attorneys and others associated with legal matters, pending against him. So, it seems to go without saying that this motion was necessary from the dojs perspective, very early on. It was absolutely necessary, amen, and they moved with the seed that we have all come to expect from jack smith. To cynthias point, right now, we have, on the one hand, a very aggressive prosecutor in jack smith, the doj would say we pursue justice about the fear or your favor is absolutely doing that. And importantly he is in that independent, hes not some left wing idealogue that donald trump is trying to make him out to be. Now, to the second point, judge the chutkan, she is well known in legal circles as someone who is fair to all sides. But she also has a reputation for being tough. I would note, Ayman Mohyeldin, i think i have seen some commentary from you perhaps, that earlier in some of her january 6th cases, she sentenced defendants who were found guilty in her courtroom to even more time than the government requested. So, judge chutkan, shes the real deal. She has a reputation for having fidelity to the rule of law. And shes not going to be afraid of donald trump. Olivia, you are on this Network Earlier today. You mentioned how trumps third indictment is actually the culmination of a man who has run his entire life on lies. You are someone who worked in the white house, who saw the Inner Workings of these lies. What are your feelings as you see trump, you know, and his delay tactics here, denied . Well, its classic on who he is, right. This is a man who thinks he is untouchable. He thinks that he will get away with everything, and anything. I think you are going to continue to see him deflect. Youre going to see his inner circle of advisers deflect. The whataboutism that continues, that youre seeing play out. They will double down on it. Theyll attack people that they think they are threatened by. I just saw, hes out there attacking mike pence, still today. But this is what he does. I think that Protective Order, as someone who has been docked to personally by members of the trumps own cabinet, i will tell you, that is something to be taken very seriously. This is who these people are. They will try their best to intimidate witnesses. Theyll put information out about any of these individuals, whether its the judges jury, anything like that. Anything like private information. Any information they can use as a tactic, and as a dog whistle, to some of his more extreme followers, who will take action, or spread it, or do anything to engage in those threats. They will do. And they will do it time and time again. Thats how these people behave. You know, cynthia, some of us have described this as the most important case facing our democracy. Just because of what it portends as an outcome. Im curious to get your thoughts on whether we are being hyperbolic with it. Obviously, the other case, National Security is just as important, with the classified documents. But this case, really as i said in my introduction, is more than just about trump. Its about the rule of law, its about democracy, and whether or not we get a future authoritarian leader who may think twice about trying to overturn an election. I absolutely agree. The idea that we cant have a peaceful transition of power in this country alters the country completely. Im a big democrat, ive been a democrat my whole life. But i always go to all the because i lived in washington, i go to all the inaugurations. I went to ronald reagan, as i went to bushs, i stand outside and cheer. Because its so magical that in our country we have a peaceful transition of power. Now we dont have it anymore. Weve had it since washington. And we dont, its gone. We lost our innocence in that way, as a country. Thats what trump has done for us. The only way to get it back is to assert that the rule of law is going to control, and we are going to go back to those democratic norms. The first thing that has to happen is this. There has to be a conviction in this case. It looks to me, after reading the indictment several times, even listening i havent listened to it when ali velshi read it. I did both because its so important. This indictment is overwhelmingly strong. And as soon as it gets to trial, the sooner the better, and we can begin to put our country back on the path of an organized decent democracy, where we have values, and when the loser concedes. And has a speech, and says they love the country, and they go to the inauguration of the next person. And the democrats and the republicans come together on that day, and cheer our country. But step one is a conviction in this case. It is very important that it happened quickly. Olivia, let me ask you about somebody you know well. Mike pence, hes obviously played a very Important Role in. This as we are learning. He was mentioned several times in the indictment. And we read in detail how time and time again he denied trump s request to overturn the election. What do you make of his fair weather stances on trump, at least certainly what he says in public, and what hes been doing behind the scenes, and when the indictment came down on tuesday, he said that anyone who puts himself over the constitution should never be president , but the very following day, he placed blame on trumps lawyers . Well i think that clearly tells you where the republican partys base is. It is the party of trump. And so i think pence finds himself consistently walking a fine line here between standing up for himself, which i think he should be more aggressive about, telling the truth about what happened, since he lived it, and he is a key witness in this case. He lived it firsthand. I think the thing is here, trump knows this. Pence is the one person who can really take him down. Because hes lived it. Not only has he lived the january 6th and the lead up to it, and everything that happened when it came to this particular case, but hes also lived all four years of that administration. He knows the good, the bad, and the ugly. Many of us saw the good, the bad and i agree with him. And i think trump is actually worried. For pence, i think he should stop waffling. I think what he does that, he makes himself look weak. I know hes lost a lot of confidence from other republicans who want him to take a stand, or moderate voters, even across the american people, people wonder why. The truth is on his side. Youve got that going for you, right . You did nothing wrong. You followed up. You stood your ground on that. So why go ahead, anthony. Ayman, i was going to say, this is why this Protective Order is so important. Right before we came on air, we saw a post on trumps social media account where he attacked mike pence yet again for saying that mike pence, if i can back up for a second and briefly tell you a story. In early january, he tried to pressure mike pence yet again to overturn the election. Pence refused. And trumps response was, you are too honest. Can you believe that, man . This is where we are. When i reread that in the indictment, when i just heard what olivia was talking about, in terms of being doxxed, this is somebody who, olivia, was telling the truth, and dozens and dozens of witnesses in this case have been subpoenaed. Theyre telling the truth. They are at risk of being intimidated by this president , who is using language that we tend to see from deposed leaders and therapist countries. That we tend to see even from mobsters. He was the one who just said, if you come for me, im coming for you. Thats the language that we hear from mob bosses, not former american president s. Whats also interesting, incredible, anthony, when you read the indictment, as lisa pointed out, the effort that trump and Jeffrey Clark at the doj went to try and convince other officials at the home of justice that they were Election Fraud allegations, which ultimately never proved to be true or were never substantiated. It goes to show you what degree they wanted to weaponize the department of justice against our elections. Please stick around, everyone, we have a lot more to discuss. Were going to squeeze in a quick break. On the other side of it, will knock down the possible Defense Tragedy Trump and his legal team for putting forward in the Election Interference Case. Stay with us. S what im talkin about josh allen is this your plan to watch the game today . hero fan uh, yea. I have to watch my neighbors Nfl Sunday Ticket. josh allen its not your best plan. But you know what is . Myplan from verizon. 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I would like them to try to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that donald trump believed that this allegations were false. Thats gotten a lot of attention. Most of it appropriately dismissive. Even trumps former attorney general, bill barr, believes defenses like that are nonsense. Ive come to believe that he knew well he had lost the election. There are not attacking his First Amendment right. He can say whatever he wants. That does not protect you from entering into a conspiracy. Were looking at the tip of the iceberg on this. You think jack smith has more . Oh yes, i would believe he has a lot more. Lets bring back my panel. Anthony coley, cynthia alksne, and olivia troye. Cynthia, lets start with a legal argument. This socalled Free Speech Argument that trump is a lot to say whatever he wants and believe whatever he wants. Trumps lawyers are saying jack smith is criminalizing trump for saying the election was rigged. I want to give you a shot at the debunking that for us. Walk us through why that is just nonsense. I think what happened was they prepare their Talking Points when this indictment was going to come thinking it was going to be about the Ellipse Speech and the following insurrection. And that is not with the indictment is. But they never really had a chance to rejigger their defense. And so they went with what they had, which doesnt really make any sense given this indictment. And, fact the indictment says he is perfectly able to have his First Amendment rights to talk about the election and say anything they want. Heres the thing, heres the example that makes it most easy. If you are in a fight with the bank over your money, and you think the bank owes you money, you can stand outside the bank and scream and holler and you can write them emails and you can do all kinds of things. But you cannot involve yourself in a conspiracy to rob the bank. And thats essentially what jack smith is saying here. You can argue about the election but you cant enter into a conspiracy to have fake electors that violate all the laws. You cant enter into a conspiracy to try and force pence to do something he wasnt able to. Do you cant get involved in that conspiracy and think you are going to have a First Amendment defense. The First Amendment defense as a matter of law is bordering on laughable. Yeah, and he actually, in the indictment, says you have the right to say that, you have that even right to say you feel the election was stolen, you have a right to spread that lie as much as you want that its one thing to see president s aide and believe it. Its another thing when you get other people involved in trying to impede congressional proceedings and put forward right, its about action. Its about action, yeah. Its all about action. Anthony, from the Special Counsels this is clearly not about free speech as we were just saying. What do you think trumps lawyers are leaning on this First Amendment argument. Its so easy to debunk then is it just about the messaging, that its an easy message to rile up his base around that they are attacking me for my speech and what i believe in . Its absolutely the easiest message he has, Ayman Mohyeldin, but let me do a hat tip to cynthia. Ive been racking my brain and the bank robbery think that she just mentioned, that is it. That is absolutely the best analogy. From my Vantage Point there are two things going on here in terms of his public approach to this case. The first is him trying to delay the case, delay, delay, delay is the name of the game. And i have been around illegal circles for a while and i will tell you most defendants who are innocent want to have the trial as quickly as they can, so that they can be proven innocent and a court of law by a jury of a peers and move on with their lives. That should tell you everything that you need to know about the strength of the governments case. To, to your point, my second point, the court of Public Opinion is where he is trying to make his strongest our comment. Argument. Using the language that we talked about. Incendiary language, we talked about earlier in the segment. Which is merely to tear our country apart, ayman. I know youve written commentary on this. My hope is that his trial will be televised so that all the public and the world can see what he tried to do to overturn american democracy. I think that transparency is the best way to fight back against misinformation that continually comes from donald trump and his allies. No doubt about it. Speaking of his allies, olivia, when we keep hearing from him, from trump and his allies, that this is not going to be a fair trial. It is in d. C. And its compromised. Its mainly a democratic voters, and the judge is an obama pointy. Listen to what Lindsey Graham and ron desantis are saying. Any conviction in d. C. Against donald trump is not legitimate. You could convict trump of kidnapping lindbergs baby. In d. C. You need to have a change of venue. The d. C. Jury would indict a ham sandwich and convict the ham sandwich if it was a republican. And the irony, which doesnt seem to be lost on ron desantis and Lindsey Graham, is that the classified documents trial is taking place in a florida city that voted overwhelmingly for trump, with a judge he appointed. Not a previous republican president , but he himself trump appointed. Help me understand, Lindsey Graham and Ron Desantiss logic where they think that is fair and yet the other is not . Thats a classic right wing talking point that theyre espousing. Its the way they undermine the situation. Thats what they push out their followers and viewers. Thats how they convince their followers and voters, this is not going to be a fair trial from the start. But it doesnt change the facts. It doesnt change the legal situation. It doesnt change the fact that donald trump is being held accountable for heaven broken the law. The classified documents case, exactly, by the way, you and i, if wed taken classified documents, anybody, i was at National Security for 20 years, i would be sitting in jail already. There will be no question. It would be no nuance on this. Lets just level set here for all of these republicans who continue to be the masters of the spin. Again, it is their most effective strategy. Right now, they have nothing else. They have nothing else that they can push out there, except for continuing to undermine the situation. Undermine our judicial system, that the only lever they have. Because the reality is some of these people were complicit in the situation. Yeah, they spent years undermining our elections another spending years undermining the judicial process and its only just getting worse from here. Anthony coley, cynthia alksne, and olivia troye, thank you to the three of you for starting us off tonight. Next, a timeline of events over just three short months that brought trump to this third indictment. Stay with us. Just by switching. Ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. On the top of the pile oh. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. When i was diagnosed with hiv, i didnt know who i would be. But here i am. Being me. Keep being you. And ask your Healthcare Provider about the number one prescribed hiv treatment, biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in many people whether youre 18 or 80. With one small pill, biktarvy fights hiv to help you get to undetectable and stay there whether youre just starting or replacing your current treatment. Research shows that taking hiv treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting hiv through sex. 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Jack smith lays out in great detail how over just three months, donald trump ignored his oath and in an effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election went ahead. And that effort begins just after election day, 2020. Two days after the election, under number fit, november 5th trump claims, again, without any evidence, there had been a suspicious dump of votes in detroit, michigan. On november 7th, a senior staffer tells him he only has a five to 10 chance of winning the election. Now this is important here because it goes to trumps state of mind. That he knew he had lost and his challenge is to the results were made in bad faith. That same day, joe biden is declared president elect. And soon, people in trumps orbit, one by one, begin to acknowledge that loss. In fact, on november 13th, Trumps Campaign attorneys recognized in court that he had lost arizona, and the election. The next day, according to the indictment, trump turned to coconspirator number one who appears to be rudy giuliani, to execute a strategy to impair, obstruct, and defeat the electorate voting system. Between November 20th and november 25th, trump and his coconspirators began contacting leaders cross top swing states. Including michigan, arizona, georgia, pennsylvania. Alleging Election Fraud to spot, again, no evidence of fraud existing. This is an effort to get republican officials on board with trumps scheme. Under the 20th, trump meets in the oval office with the leaders of the Michigan House owned senate, and talks about that vote dump in detroit. Again, the one that doesnt exist. Under member 22nd, trump and Coconspirator One call the speaker of the Arizona House and repeat election lies. On november 25th, coconspirator three, who appears to be sidney powell, filed a lawsuit against the governor of georgia, falsely alleging massive Election Fraud. On this same day, Coconspirator One Orchestrates and event in pennsylvania, attended by state legislatures, legislators where he spreads more lives of fraud that doesnt exist. But trump and his team, despite these efforts, they continue to hit roadblocks. On november 29th, the results of a recount in wisconsin, which Trumps Campaign has had petitioned and paid for, determined that trump did in fact lose the state. And soon, State Leaders begin to speak out. On december 4th, the Arizona House speaker, a republican, says he will not change the outcome of a certified election. And georgias Secretary Of State Debunks Coconspirator ones claims of Election Fraud. Around this time, when these elected republicans refuse to go along with trumps scheme. A new plot is set into motion. The fake electors plot. On december 6th, trump and Coconspirator To, who we now know is john eastman, calls rnc chair woman Ronna Mcdaniel to get her support for that plot. The next day, Coconspirator One receives whats known as the wisconsin memo, and the fraudulent electorate memo created from ideas mapped out by coconspirator number five that become the legal strategy of which these fake electors is based. Coconspirator one toasted talks to coconspirator six about attorneys who could assist in the scheme in targeted states. Arizona, georgia, michigan, nevada, new mexico, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. On december 14th, when legitimate electors actually submit their votes to congress in favor of joe biden, fake electors meet in those seven swing states to cast their vote for donald trump. Eventually, thankfully, these fake documents are rejected by the National Archives and the u. S. Senate. And thats when another game start to unfold. Because in the following days, trump works to get the Justice Department to support his election subversion efforts. And he begins basically laying the groundwork for the rally that he will hold on january 6th. During the last few days of december, and into early january 2021, Trump Presses the acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and acting Deputy Attorney general Richard Donahue on Election Fraud claims in wisconsin, georgia, and pennsylvania. All of which are debunked. On december 28th, coconspirator full, four who appears to be ex doj official Jeffrey Clark sends a Draft Literal To Rosen and donahue. He pushes them to sign. The letter he wants to send to this if interpreted state contains election lies and claims the Justice Department had, quote, identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election and multiple states. Luckily, donahue rejects that. But trump, no. He doesnt give up. He keeps going. On december 31st, trump meets with rosen and donahue and other advisers were he again raises election lies. Trump suggests that he might change doj leadership at this meeting. And january 2nd, 2021 trump makes that now infamous phone call to georgia Secretary Of State brad raffensperger, asking him to find 11, 870 votes. The next day, he tells mike pence that he has the absolute right to reject electoral votes. He does not. He does not have that authority. Over the next two days, trump and Coconspirator To work to convince pence and his aides that he should reject bidens electoral votes or stanton back to the states. At the same time, trump encourages his supporters to travel on to washington, d. C. , on january 6th. And on the morning of the six of that january, trump attempts to send fake elector certificates from michigan and wisconsin to pence, which his staff reject. This timeline is going to get detailed now because the lastditch efforts of trump and his lackeys that day ramps into overdrive. At 11 15 a. M. , trump calls pence to reject legitimate votes. Mike pence refuses. Just before one pm, pence announces the Certification Proceeding is about to bring in. As trump finishes his speech on the ellipse, the trump mob start to advance toward the capitol ,. At 2 24 pm, trump tweets, pence didnt have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and constitution. One minute later, Secret Service evacuate mike pence to a secure location. At 4 17 pm, trump releases a Video Message on twitter repeating election lies. As the evening comes, trump and Coconspirator One attempt to exploit the violence. Calling republican lawmakers to convince them to delay the certification of electoral votes. At 7 01 pm, the white House Counsel asked trump to withdraw his objections and allow for certification to continue. He refuses. The senate and house come back into session hours later, and come together in a joint session at 11 35 pm. At 11 44 pm, up until the very last minute, trump and his allies are still attempting to overturn the Election Results. 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That is when activists proposed an amendment to the states competition that would codify Abortion Rights, ensuring, quote, every individual has a right to make and carry out ones report of reproductive decisions. By the end of last, Month Amendment backers had gathered more than 70,000 signatures, nearly double the required amount. Forcing a referendum on the matter. That is now set for november 7th. As you can imagine, there is a catch here. Because republicans introduced the Ballot Measure of their own, called issue 1 that would make it harder to pass constitutional amendments. Increasing the threshold from a simple 50 majority to a 60 one. Republicans pushed for a special august vote on the measure in an effort to influence the outcome of this november Abortion Rights referendum. That brings us to next weeks Special Election. Ohio voters will decide whether to make it more difficult to pass constitutional amendments, and as you could imagine, its a makeorbreak moment for Abortion Rights. In new usa today poll, 58 of voters back guaranteeing access to reproductive services. For both sides, that is cutting it close. Now, Zooming Out To Abortion Right Battles and other states, underscores how key this threshold could be. While Abortion Rights won in all six states that had measures on the ballot back in 2022, in four of those elections, the majorities were just under, or under completely, 60 . Joining me now is democratic congresswoman Shontel Brown of ohio. Congresswoman, great to see you, thanks for coming back on the show. We are seeing a huge and historic turnout from ohio voters, and as we mentioned this as a Special Election in the middle of summer, no less. Two weeks into early vote, and votes are surpassing 18,000 per day. As of august 2nd, more than 533,000 people had cast their ballots, according to an Associated Press tally. Thats nearly twice the number of early votes in the two previous midterm primaries, and i wanted to give that context to our viewers, so we know what were talking about here in terms of turnout. Who do you think is turning up to vote and what are you hearing on the ground . Once again, thank you for having me. On the heels of the 58th Anniversary of the voting rights, this is an issue that is very personal to me as a black woman. When we think about issue one, as you laid out a perfectly, this is really, in my opinion, and illegal election. One of the things you did not say is that this republican dominated legislature stated they would no longer have august elections. Because we are not conditions to vote in august. In fact, the last time they had a statewide august election was in 1926. So they thought people were not going to be paying attention. But im proud to say, as of yesterday, i spoke to a group of enthusiastic voters in the city of cleveland, who today spent their time pounding on pavements and knocking on doors and making sure their friends and neighbors knew that issue one was on the ballot. Im also proud to say that on monday, as we expand voting hours this week, i gathered with some community stakeholders, labor leaders, State Leaders, to have a Press Conference to remind people. Because this is really one of those things that feels like thieves in the night. This is something they wanted to fly under the radar. We know that in august people are focused on their childrens Little League games, vacationing, and going back to school. But as you have so eloquently pointed out, people are paying attention because this issue will not decide what ohio was or is, but what it will be. And the nation is watching. Because this is going to be a barometer, a litmus test, for the rest of the country to see how this issue one shakes out. If this issue passes, we will be in a terrible situation as a state and as a country moving forward. The other thing i would be remiss to say, in addition to raising the threshold from a simple majority to a supermajority of 60 , it also raises the qualifications just to get the initiative on the ballot. Going from 44 counties to 88. This means that one Little County, one Little County can hold up an entire initiative for the state. This is why it is so important to vote no. This is 100 years of precedent that has worked well for the east of ohio, so there is no need to change it now. What we know is that when things dont shake at well, the numbers dont look good for the republicans, what do they do . If you cant bake them, cheat them. That theyre playbook, thats what they can i do. Let me ask you about something you said. To get our viewers context, there has been a huge influx of money on both sides of the Special Election. We talk about the attention this race is getting. Some are calling it a proxy war on Abortion Rights. You have a pro 60 Threshold Group called particular constitution, who has raised four point 9 million. 4 million of those dollars came from one gop megadonor, who is not even in ohio. Hes an illinois. What is this influx of cash stay say about the state of this race and how far republicans are willing to go to a Tech Reproductive Rights . This issue one is really about protecting the peoples one person one vote rule. The majority rule. When you have special interests, the wealthy and well connected spending this type of money, those will be the only people who have the power to make changes in the future, if this issue 1 successfully passes. That is why it is so critical that we vote now on issue 1 so we can maintain our democracy and protect the freedom of the people to make their own decisions. And yes. This is a proxy for the Abortion Rights. Secretary of state said the quiet part out loud. He said this is 100 about abortion. As you pointed, out four of six states during the midterms to limit 60 number. They are very intentional, very exact, very deliberate and making these setting the standard to 60 , because they know it will be nearly impossible for that to pass. But we are paying attention. People are showing up. Theyre fired up and they are fed up. What i am excited about is that despite this oppressive effort of the Secretary Of State, people are paying attention. And it looks like a numbers are on our side. But we cannot take our foot off the gas. We have to make sure we push through to tuesday, and make sure that everyone shows up so they can have their voice and their vote counted in the future elections. 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