President trump is wrong. Under the constitution, i had no right to change the outcome of our election. He needs to talk to the January 6th Committee. Its taken him 13 months to admit the undeniable. And as the Winter Olympics begin in beijing, Human Rights Abuses are in the spotlight. The Chinese Government is Holding People in Concentration Camps and also glorifying the modernday slavery. Plus were following new developments on the future of Queen Elizabeth and the royal family. Im pamela brown in washington. You are in the cnn news room. Great to have you with us on this saturday. We begin this hour with the Republican Party coming out of a buzz saw of dramatic events compressed into 24 hours. Former Vice President mike pence delivering his most forceful rebuke to date of his old boss, calling out donald trump and his lie that pence was in power to overturn the election. And there are new images of the violence energized by the big lie that the election was stolen. The Justice Department has released more videos of the january 6th attack on the capitol. We want to warn you some viewers may find the graphic images and obscenities disturbing. The cursefilled rant youre about to see from one protester is a reminder that mike pence was very much a target for not obeying trumps illegal demands. I hear pence just caved. No. Is that true . Im hearing reports pence caved. Im telling you, if pence caved yrks were going to drag mother f fuckers through the streets. Were not going to have our election stolen. Were going to drag your ass through the street. The Republican National committee has kren sured two congressional members for investigating the siege, or as the rnc called it, legitimate political discourse. The partys leader Say Liz Cheney and Adam Kissinger are taking part in, quote, the persecution of ordinary citizens. Now, the rnc has since responded to criticism of the censure. Lets begin with the newly released videos from the day. We are joined now. You have poured through these. Whats your take away . So pam, the department of justice released last night as you mentioned, new videos that show just how shocking and how violent and frightening the events of january 6th were. And as the video you just showed, its important to play these videos, as shocking as they might be to viewers because as you mentioned the Republican NationalCommittee Said just yesterday that the january 6th attack was, quote, legitimate, political discourse. Now, this next video that im about to show and again, warning folks that there is a lot of frightening images here, show just how violent the attack was on january 6th. Lets take a look. Come on. Lets go. My god. Up. Up. Up. So as you saw at the end of these videos, pam, riders really cheering as Capitol Police are being attacked, and these videos are going to be used as evidence in the Justice Departments investigation where theyve already theyve already arrested hundreds of rioters throughout the capitol that day. And two sources tell cnn as of the morning of the right rooi yacht, President Trump spoke on the phone. Before we get to what congressman jordan told me yesterday, i want to provide key context. The January 6th Committee has in its possession white house call records that show former President Donald Trump wanted to speak with jim jordan on the morning of january 6th, and the pair spoke for ten minutes while trump was still in the white house residence. Now, this is significant, because the pair spoke in the morning before the Election Certification Process happened. And jordan was a key trump ally on the hill trying to help trump in his efforts to stop the Election Certification Process. Now, jordan has admitted that he spoke with trump on that day, but hes been very evasive and unclear about how long that phone call was, how many times a day they spoke. What time of day they spoke. So i spoke with congressman jordan in the halls of congress yesterday to try and pin down some of the details, take a listen to what he had to say. As i said, i had a number of calls with i talk to the president a couple times a day, but i dont remember the times. You dont remember if it was the morning . If there was one in the morning. I dont recall, but i know i talked to him after we left off the floor, but i dont know so as you can see, congressman jordan not wanting to get more specific there. And these are key details, conversations that the committee wants to learn more about. In fact, the committee has asked jim jordan to speak voluntarily with them. Jordan has declined that offer. So the committee is now currently weighing whether or not it wants to take the unprecedented step of Subpoenaing A Sitting member of congress, namely jordan, but The Big Picture here is the January 6th Committee is writing to write the definitive narrative and timeline about what happened to what happened in the days leading up to january 6th, and specifically the day of january 6th, and the details of this phone call provide a new piece of evidence that can be added to the timeline of that day. Yeah. It certainly does. Annie, graung. And now lets turn to mike pences pushback. It may not have been a big mic drop moment, but he raised eyebrows before a group of conservative lawyers. Pence rejected Donald Trumps lies that the thenVice President was in power to overturn the election. I heard this week that President Trump said i had the right to overturn the election. President trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American People, and the American People alone. And frankly, there is no idea more unamerican than the notion that any one american could choose the american president. Under the constitution, i had no right to change the outcome of our election. Donald trump has responded. He didnt attack pence directly in the way weve seen him attack other critics, but he said the current efforts in congress to keep a Vice President from taking that action shows that it was, indeed, a legal option for pence. Just not true. Joining me now is a washington political reporter for Business Insider and a journalist who has covered pence from the governor to the white house. Hi, tom, good to see you. So the Capitol Attack was about 13 months ago. Why is mike pence choosing this forum to make his strongest statement yet against the former president. Thanks for having me. Real quick, just before i hop in there, no longer Business Insider. Im a contributor at vanity fair and yahoo news. Well make sure our team has those notes. Congratulations on your new role. Thank you. Look, i was surprised by this yesterday. And i think what were seeing here, you know, i wrote about in a piece for vanity fair earlier in january, about a month ago after watching his speech at the university of iowa. You seen pence come out of his shell more. And you know, look, its mike pence. Right . I mean, we dont hes not bombastic the way trump is, but every movement of inches is a movement of miles for that guy, and going out there and saying that is heavily calculated. Him and his team, they obviously see some kind of path for him potentially for the nomination in 2024. And ultimately potentially the white house. And hes doing things the way hes always done throughout his career which is methodically. I mean, in a very distinct sense, its kind of antitrump. How concerted and methodical it is. Right. Weve sort of been building up this to memt. Incrementally, he has said things here and there that he didnt have the power to do this. And so forth. This is the most direct he has been about it. And of course, it comes on the heels of trump outing out in his Statement Last week that he could have overturned the election. But you have to wonder had pence pushed back like this a year ago, would it have mattered . Great question. I mean, look, you know, 13 months ago, you know, right after january 6th, he had the power to help try to invoke the 25th amendment. He ruled it out in that moment. You know, a lot of people thought his career was over. A couple months later, he gets back on the campaign trail. Of course, hes not actually declared. Nobody is actually declared for 2024 yet. But theyre all Running In The Shadow primary right now. And hes doing it slowly. And for me, really, The Turning Point which you saw some of this stuff as you point out, pam, has been out there before. His statements on january 6th are hes been talking about how its unamerican for one person to decide an election. Hes been saying that before. And he keeps pushing the ball, as you said, a little bit further, and you know, look, this one caught. And i think, too, if you look at the way that trump responded to it, trump is not giving it oxygen. Which is fascinating. Interesting. Yeah. What do you make of that . Weve seen trump go after critics. I mean, no matter who they are, he will go after them, and that was not the case with that statement that trump released. Exactly. Well, you know, in a very real sense, remember this, too. Why was pence brought on to the ticket to begin with . I wrote about this extensively in the book. You know, back in july of 2016, why is he brought on to the ticket . And its because of the new demographics he can bring into the fold for trump. But also remember, too, that Reince Priebus and paul ma manafort, when they pushed pence for the ticket, they were thinking about the down ballot races. A lot of the same groups, i write about this a bit in terms of the difference between teleevangelicals and the Midwest Evangelicals who are quieter about these things and might have stayed home. That was the concern. And i think what were watching here is pence holding onto the same groups that he developed that rapport with before. Hes going to the federalist society. The thing with pence is youve got to watch his actions more than the actual messaging. And hes doing it methodically. It goes to florida. He does not get heckled. That was astounding. You know . So this guy is a viable candidate right now. He must have been able to sense that he would not get heckled for coming out and saying that. And remarkably on the same day that the rnc censured those two members, liz cheney and adam k kinz kinzinger. Tom, thank you. Thank you. Police say two people are dead and one injured after a shooting near milwaukee. You can see here the dramatic video of officers running. One holding a child away from the scene. Running away from the scene. Police say officers arrived at an Apartment Complex this morning and found a Person Firing A Gun from the second floor. The suspect then started shooting at police, but officers did not return fire. No officers were harmed in the standoff. Police say the suspect, a 26yearold black man is also dead, and that the incident started as a domestic incident between two people. The investigation is ongoing. Coming up on this saturday, with u. S. Troops now in europe, are we close to seeing more breakout on the russian, Ukrainian Border . We have quite the expert here. That would be former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine william taylor. Hes going to join me next and break it down for you. And as china hosts the Winter Olympics, nba Star Ennis Canter Freedom joins me live. 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The message is, this would be a bad mistake for you to assume that the nato allies will stand idly by if you start moving your troops and tanks toward nato allies. So this is designed to deter mr. Putin from starting that war with ukraine. So yes, i think this is a good message. And it is designed to nudge mr. Putin toward negotiation instead of invasion. At the same time, though, russia does not want to look like it is ever capitulating to the west. Is there any concern for you that this could inflame tensions with russia at an already very delicate situation there at the border . Pamela, its very clear the cause of this problem, and its mr. Putin. Its the russians. First they invaded ukraine in 2014, and now theyre threatening to invade again. So this lets be clear about where the problem is. The problem is not ukraine trying to defend itself. Or nato trying to support ukraine defending itself, or the United States trying to support nato defending helping ukraine defend itself. The problem is russia, and no, i think the message has to be to mr. Putin, do not invade. It will be a bad mistake economically, financially, but also militarily, because ukrainians will fight back and many russian soldiers will die. So mr. Putin needs to decide not to invade and he needs to decide to negotiate. A few days ago u. S. Officials allege that russia is planning a false flag operation that would be a pretext for the invasion of ukraine. Theyre saiding to planning a graphic propaganda video that would portray a fake invasion of ukraine. Whats your take . Thats what the russians do. Theyve done this before, and theyre undoubtedly thinking about doing it now. This is part of their information campaign. This is part of their attempt to justify an attack on ukraine. Theyre going to put russian soldiers and Russian Special forces into ukraine. Some are probably in ukraine right now. And theyre going to have these russian soldiers attacking maybe into russia or maybe into other places, and they will be able to blame. They will try to blame the ukrainians for doing this. This is what they do. This is the false flag, and they will supplement it with these videos. Theyll supplement it with all kinds of information designed to make it look like the ukrainians arent ones on the attack, when, in fact, its clearly the russians. You have new troops in the region. You have false flag operations. None of this really sounds like deescalation. What would that look like to you . Deescalation would look like a message, some of which, pamela, were getting now. A message saying, from the russians, that theyre looking for negotiations rather than invasions. Now, mr. Putin has said, and the Foreign Minister lavrov has said look, we dont intend to invade ukraine. Good. If thats the case, then they can move these troops back. These 120, 130, 140,000 troops that are around the Ukrainian Border. If they dont plan to invade, then they can move the troops back, and if they want to stand down, if they want to address security concerns, then the United States has offered to sit down and discuss these concerns. So thats what it would look like. Okay. Ambassador, thank you so much for offering up your perspective tonight. We appreciate it. Thank you n. The Olympic Games are underway in beijing, and we have to call out what the International Olympic committee isnt saying about Human Rights Concerns in china. Plus there is pressure on athletes to speak up. Should they . Nba player and outspoken china critic Ennis Cantor Freedom is here, and hes going to chat with us up next. Get help managing your money for the life and years ahead. With fidelity income planning, well look at what youve saved, what youll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow designed to last. So you can go from saving. To living. 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Beijing continues to deny the allegations, calling the camps, quote, Vocational Training centers. The government highlighted a torch bearer who it says is of uyghur dissent in an effort to discredit allegations that it discriminates against her people. When the reporters asked about the treatment of the uyghur population, they refused to discuss it. If we are taking a political standpoint and we are getting in the middle of tensions and dispute and confrontations of political powers, then we are putting the games at risk. Putting the games at risk. Take at in. Thats what taking that is what is taking precedent over what some governments and human Rights Groups have labeled the genocide of an entire ethnic group under the same authoritarian regime hosting the winter games. But thomas balk isnt is only one refusing to engage the political controversies in china. Heres what the u. S. Olympic and para Olympic Committee board chair suzanne lions had to say. We were very opposed to having the athletes bear the burdenen of trying to send a message that the government wanted to send. We think the diplomats and Government Agencies should be working one with the other to resolve the worlds differences. If you didnt want them to bear the burden, maybe dont have them there. Olympic organizers are only allowing athletes to say their thoughts freely at certain forums. Nancy pelosi warned american athletes about being careful about being political. I wish the athletes well. I do not encourage them to speak out against the Chinese Government. I fear for their safety if they do. Were talking about where a young Tennis Player bravely accused a high ranking official of Sexual Assault. Since then she disappeared for weeks. We heard little from her until she resurfaced last month claiming she never accused anyone of Sexual Assault and she was simply misunderstood. Thomas bach will meet with her at some point during the games. Although, its clear when. The ioc claims it will support an investigation into her allegations if she wishes. Only if she asks. Do we really think thats going to happen . The United States, united kingdom, australia, and canada have all declared diplomatic boycotts of the beijing games over what they say are chinas Human Rights Abuses, but is it enough . Do more countries need to do more . Does the International Olympic committee need to consider human rights before it awards the games to Different Countries . And who should hold the ioc accountable . Some key questions there. Were going to discuss it with none other than enes kanter freedom. He joins me. Plays for the Boston Celtics and is a human rights activist. Enes, i think this is your third time on this program. Always good to have you on. Do athletes have a responsibility to speak out on these issues in your view . Thanks for having me. I think athletes have a huge platform to not just talk about the problems in america but around the world. Now because of social media and everything, there are so many young kids that are out there watching us, and idolizing us. We need to educate them. And i feel like athletes Important Role in this, and yes, i feel like they need to speak out about injustices having. While we are talking right now, there is a genocide happening. A genocide that the Chinese Government has repeatedly denied. As we pointed out in our for the record there, many governments across the globe have said that what they are doing is genocide. Last year the mlb moved the allstar game away from atlanta over a georgia law that infringed in voting rights. In 2017 the nba allstar game was removed from charlotte due to the controversial bathroom bill. Should the ioc be willing to move its events like we see in the states . First, people need to understand, ioc has backed the Chinese Government despite brutality, execution, labor camps, religious persecution, genocide. And i see this over and over again, but International Olympic committee sleeps in the same bed with china. And they do not care about human rights. They care about publicity and money. And shame on them, organizing a game where the Olympic Games in a country like china, like they talk about theres a genocide happening. But i feel like ioc clearly showed their true color when they asked them about the missing Tennis Player. But i feel like someone needs to hold them accountable. So i feel like athletes play an Important Role into this to hold those not just ioc, but the corporate sponsors, you know, and over other people accountable. Right. So what do you think who do you think that should be . How do you think they should be held accountable . I mean, first of all, a sponsor for sure. I have the list here. You have airbnb, intel, panasonic, samsung, and visa. I think other than that, i mean, athletes need to understand, you know, all the gold medals in the world is not more important than your values, your morals and your principals. The other thing is i want to understand whenever i had a conversation with one of the athletes, i try to tell them, Chinese Communist party does not represent core values of excellence, of respect, of friendship, and now the whole world knows they are a brutal dictatorship, and they do not respect human rights. They hide the truth, and they engage in sensorship. I feel like like i said again, we are playing a very Important Role. I wish that one of the athletes came out and said enough is enough. But im hopeful. I hope one of those athletes will speak out while theyre playing the games. But what do you think about the fact that theyre only able to do so in certain forums . I mean, its i mean, i was just i will just say this. They are playing a very Important Role. While they are there, take a couple days and try to visit the Concentration Camps. To me, it is all propaganda. Whatever chinas government is doing to them is all propaganda. Take a couple days to visit Concentration Camps. Visit hong kong and then after that, take a couple days to go visit taiwan to see what the democracy means. And, of course, china has said that these camps in the region are voluntary Vocational Training camp centers. It is repeatedly condemned any attempts to politicize sports calling the diplomatic ideological bias, lies and rumors. You said you would accept a visit to china as long as you get to see, quote, The Real China. What do you mean by that . Yeah. One of the former, actually, nba player yao ming invited me to chinese because of my criticism of the Chinese Government. I accepted his offer. I was like i will come to china, but i dont want to see a luxury tour of china, or i dont want to see a propaganda. While were in china, i want to go visit Concentration Camps, because from firsthand, i heard what is happening over there, because i had a conversation with a survivor. And then after that i want to see whats happening in hong kong and tibet. After that i wanted to take him to taiwan. And then it is a shame, because he actually blocked me on instagram like a little kid, actually, all my teammates were laughing at him, and all the nba families are laughing at him right now. I wanted to show the whole world what The Real China is. Because right now all the athletes over there, they are only going to see propaganda, nothing else. But they need to educate themselves. They need to open their eyes. Yao was a torch bearer during the relay before the olympics. Im going to ask you about what we have seen from major world players including the United States. United kingdom, canada, all diplomatically boycotting the olympics. Is that enough in your view . You know, so diplomatic boycotting is good but not enough. It is not enough. It still shows that, obviously, there are a lot of problems happening in the country. But it is not enough. I feel like i feel like we should definitely tell our athletes not to go in a country like china, because china is going to use this for its own propaganda. I just hope that now the world sees whats going on, and i hope that athletes can educate themselves about whats going on. But its not too late. I encourage all the unlike speaker pelosi, i encourage all the players over there to speak freely and say whatever they want to say, because it will impact a lot and it will help so many people. Yeah. Speaker pelosi saying she was worried if they did, that they could be put in harms way, it could be bad for them. Enes kanter freedom, thank you for the conversation and sharing your perspective on the important issue here on the show. Huge thanks. I appreciate that. 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The video is an edited comp little of different podcast episodes. I want to warn you, this is disturbing to hear. Saying the word northbound northbound. Its just about blp. Shes calling you a [ bleep ]. Starts calling him a [ bleep ]. There should be a ward like [ bleep ]. Especially like the word [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. He says [ bleep ]. And start saying [ bleep ]. Take out the word [ bleep ]. Couldnt say [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. Cnns oliver darcy joins me. Wow. I mean, oliver, its just awful seeing that compilation and just how casually he is throwing out that word. What is joe rogan saying now . Yeah. Its horrible to see, pam. Joe rogan, he apologized last week, youll remember, for being irresponsible with his platform regarding covid misinformation, and now he is saying he messed up again, this time for using the racial slurs. Im making this video to talk about the most regretful and shameful thing that ive ever had to talk about publicly. Theres a video thats out thats a compilation of me saying the nword. Its a video thats made of clips taken out of context of me, of 12 years of conversations on my podcast. And its all smushed together. I looks [ bleep ] horrible, even to me. I know to most people, there is no context where a white person is ever allowed to say that word. Never mind publicly on a podcast. And i agree with that now. I havent said it in years. But for a long time, when i would bring that word up, like, if it would come up in conversation, instead of saying the nword, i would just say the word. I never use it to be racist, because im not racist. But whenever youre in a situation when you have to say im not racist, you [ bleep ] up. And i clearly have [ bleep ] up. Pam, lets remember that this is coming at the start of black history month, this controversy for spotify. A company that positions itself as inclusive and promoting diversity, and now you have their top star, the top star they pay a reported 100 million to repeatedly crossing a bright red line in old episodes of his show. Spotify is not commenting on the matter at the moment. But a person familiar has told cnn that they spoke to rogen about these episodes, and that he decided to pull the episodes from his Spotify Library in about 70 episodes, i think, fans notice have had gone missing. This is big picture here, a problem for spotify. You know, theyve been facing significant controversy because of the things said on joe ro rogans show for the last several weeks. Of course, it started with misinformation and neil young saying hes going to pull his library of songs from the platform because he didnt want to share it with joe rogan because of the covid misinformation. 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Reporter well, no, we know the story, dont we, that charles and camila had an affair and diana was divorced, left the family, blamed camila for the break up in the relationship, so shes always been a very very controversial figure, but over the years, she has been sort of promoted by the family, part of the brand. I think one of the conditions here, when they got married, they talked about what sort of title camila might have when charles becomes king, and they agreed that would be Princess Consort because of the sensitivities about a title that diana was going to have one day or had been destined for. Over the years charles has made it clear behind the scenes that he wants camila to be queen when he becomes king. The current queen has finally agreed to that, and shes hoping the public will support that. What shes doing is creating a future shape of the British Monarchy and camila is going to be at the head. Pamela, were going to see charles become crowned and camila crowned next to him, which is of huge significance emotionally. The test is whether the public accepts camila as queen because many of them still would like the idea of having dieana in tht role. Of course its impossible, but they dont want to see camila taking dianas place. Max foster live for us in london. Thank you. Well be right back. Its clinically shown to help manage Blood Sugar Levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. Try boost® today. Every business is on a journey. And along the ride, youll find many challenges. Your Dell Technologies advisor can help you find the right tech solutions. So you can stop at nothing for your customers. This is a gamechanger, who dares to be fearless even when her bladder leaks. Our softest, smoothest fabric keeping her comfortable, protected, and undeniably sleek. Depend. The only thing stronger than us, is you. Well, well, well. 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