What they did should be a problem for them. They should be being investigated. And nearly a hundred people, still, missing in florida after the collapse of a 12story Condo Building. The latest on the desperate searchandrescue effort when all in starts right now. Good evening, from new york. Im chris hayes. You know, its the kind of thing we really do not see happen often, anymore. This afternoon, the president of the United States, President Joe Biden, walked out to the white house driveway. Surrounded by democratic and republican senators. To announce they have a deal. A big, bipartisan, legislative deal on infrastructure. This reminds me of the days we used to get an awful lot done up in the United States congress. We actually work get bipartisan deals. Bipartisan deals means compromise. Are you confident that you are going to have all the democrats support in the senate . Im not confident of anything. Now, were going to get into the details of the deal, which includes 579 billion in new spending on new projects across the country. And a somewhatcomplicated twotrack strategy, in which democrats would, also, pass a supplemental package alongside that. In fact, i am going to talk to senator chris murphy of connecticut about all of that, in just a moment. But first, i just want to take a step back to put this deal in context with the very strange politics of this particular moment. Back in the beginning of february, you know, after the insurrection. And and sort of, taking in the aftermath of the election. I published this piece in the atlantic. In which, i made the argument that the Republican Party was radicalizing against democracy, even as it was moderating on some core elements of policy. And the events of the pastfew days have, i think, borne out that thesis. I mean, remember. Just48 hours ago, i was sitting at this desk, talking to you, right . Senate democrats attempted to expand voter access. To create a, kind of, nationwide floor of votingrights standards. And that bill, the for the people act, faced uniformtotal opposition from republicans. Who used the filibuster to block it. Not a single republican would vote to even start debate on the bill. And senateminority leader Mitch Mcconnell made it clear that theres, basically, nothing democrats can do to, ever, get anyrepublican support on any part of that bill. Certainly, not on things, like, for instance, changing the standards for partisan gerrymandering. Or even reinstating the parts of the votingrights act that the John Roberts Supreme Court gutted. Lets keep in mind, this is the same Voting Rights act which was last reauthorized in 2006 with a massivebipartisan majority in the house and a unanimous vote in the senate. In fact, the person who got all the republican senators to vote for it was thenmajority whip, Mitch Mcconnell. That same votingrights act now faces essentiallyimplacable republican opposition. So, thats what i mean by radicalizing against democracy. And were watching this radicalization happen at the state level, of course. Where republicancontrolled governments are passing restrictivevoting laws. Multiple states are now trying to follow arizonas lead and launch an audit of the 2020 election results. In fact, new polling get this shows 46 of republicans, almost half, believe it was appropriate for republican legislators in states where joe biden won to just ignore the popular vote. And to try and assign their states electoral votes to donald trump. That is about as radicalized against democracy as you could possibly get. Now, two days later, what do we have . The white house driveway. We have an oldfashion, sausagemaking Infrastructure Deal announced on the white house driveway with a Bipartisan Group. Including, 11 republican senators. How do we make sense of this . Well, the Republican Partys ideology on core matters of governance has dissipated into incoherence. I mean, really, core questions about political economy, specifically, right . Free enterprise and the market. Are so detached from the actualmaterial interests of its base. Those policies that they have been championing, forever, right . Tax cuts for the rich. Youreonyourown economics. Theyve become so unpopular. They have been surely, but slowly, walking away from it all, at least in rhetoric and messaging. Because heres the thing. They theyve lost the ability to rile the the base. The current base. The trump base. They have lost the ability to rile them up on those core issues, anymore. It doesnt work. The base doesnt care. I mean, compare that, right, to where we were 12 years ago. And the unrelenting backlash against the obama stimulus. Which came, in response to the great recession. In 2009, the american recovery act, which was less than a trillion dollars, was passed with zerorepublican votes in the house. The bill that was supposed to be about jobs, jobs, jobs, has turned into a bill thats all about spending, spending, and spending. Do you know that, in this porkulus bill, it has been learned, in addition to everything else, Illegal Immigrants will, also, be given checks . I look at this as smother the private sector in terms of a stimulus package. I dont see this as a stimulus package. And if if you think you are going to get your way out of this recession by all kinds of social programs, welfare programs. Youre just going to make it much worse. Right . The immigrants getting free checks. Welfare. Social programs. Look at barack obama just spending that money around. Okay. Compare that to, back in march, when joe biden signed the covidstimulus package. Right . Because for the second time, in two transitions, a democrat had to take over from a republican, right . So applestoapples comparison. Right . Norepublican votes. I have barely heard a word from republicans about that package, twice as big as the stimulus. Nearly 2 trillion package that passed on a partyline vote in the senate more than three months ago. I havent heard a word, except to praise aspects of it they want their constituents to take advantage of. What riles up the Republican Base, now, is fear of multiracial democracy. Cancel culture. George floyd protests. Black lives matter. Censuring dr. Seuss. Criticalrace theory. A constant, constant, moral panic about the threat of those other people, who either do not look like you. Or do not share your values taking power and wielding power, the way that they dominate the institutions of American Life outside of politics. Thats what its about. That culture war. Whose culture it is, whose america it is, is what the base cares about. They could give about inflation or taxes or even welfare. I mean, all this stuff thats been tried and true, republican reactionary rhetoric for literal decades. All the Rhetorical Fire has moved away from a deficit and on to some random, School Superintendent in maine after his district failed to denounce White Supremacy after the murder of george floyd. Now, those are the kind of lines republicans cannot cross. But spending on infrastructure . Whatever, no problem. Then, of course, we got to talk about the obvious, right . The additional, glaringlyobvious aspect of all this. When you compare the firstsix months of the last democratic president s administration, to this one. Barack obama faced total opposition, on the right, from the outset. Now, joe biden has faced a lot of opposition, too. But there is just no universe, as someone who covered this from washington, d. C. , up close. In which 11 republican senators would have come out, posed on that driveway, to strike a deal like this with barack obama in his firstsix months in office. No universe. The hatred of barack obama was so boiling hot from the base. The base doesnt hate joe biden. And weve seen it over and over, since the campaign. When tshirt vendors at trump rallies couldnt sell any derogatory joe biden shirts. Barack obama . The Hillary Clinton stuff, however . That, still, sold like hotcakes. Huh. Boy, look at those three faces. Barack obama, Hillary Clinton, and joe biden. Now, what could it possibly be about joe biden that does not inspire the same visceral ire of the Republican Base . That doesnt render him toxic and threatening, in the same way as those othertwo figures . Joe biden. The 78yearold, white man, is not a Living Embodiment of the existential threat that the Republican Base fears. And that existential threat. That fear, of the country being governed by people, other than them, broadly construed, thats what they really care about. The rest . They couldnt care less. Senior adviser to senator bernie sanders. Formerly Senior Adviser to Democratic Senate leader harry reid. And they both join me now. Faz, lets talk about your view of this, as someone who was working in democratic staff circles back in those days. Like, do you agree that, that picture in the driveway was an impossibility under obama . And, for some reason, is not now . Yes. They certainly made it almost impossible for obama because of the way in which they demonized him, personally. And thats, i think, what you are driving at. That that was not an individual that they could ever strike a deal with. Right . They kind of tore him down to the point where, if you ever did anything with obama, it would just be toxic. And so, i tend to agree with a lot of your thesis there, chris. I think the only thing i would quibble with a little bit is if you look at the state level, right . We are trying to differentiate republicans here. If you look at the state level, they are certainly cutting snap benefits. They are cutting employment benefits. They are still engaged in that kind of ideological struggle against the working class. But you are right. That at the national level, they are still adhering to trump ideology and taking their keys from a trump party. Theyre still not like they dont want a broadsafety net. Like, all of that Vestigial Ideology is there. But i think what happened, jennifer, barack obama the firstblack president. You know, the tea party was talking about the deficit but thats not what they were talking about. But, you could you can nicely fuse, the concerns of the donor class and the Chamber Of Commerce with the base. And say deficit and spending, and everyone got it. Like, oh, the immigrants are going to get checks. Trump sort of pried those apart and just like talk about the you dont like immigrants and all that spending stuff. Hes, like, detached the signifier from it and now its hard to get it back. I think thats exactly right. Listen. The republicans, still, engage in donor maintenance. Thats why they wouldnt raise taxes even on [ inaudible ] that pay zero taxes. They arent going to go near that but thats not the base. Those are the donors. Yep. Those are Corporate Overlords who keep them afloat in election cycles. Youre right. They dont really have much to say about anything else. And although they opposed, 100 , the American Rescue plan. Again, on this kind of oldstyle thinking. As soon as it passed and became very, very, very popular, they started touting it, as you said. They couldnt say enough about good things about the restaurant revitalization program. They were telling their constituents to get out there and get the getting, when its good. So, i think there is some schizophrenia on listen, theyre not going to give up on deregulation because, again, thats their Corporate Overlords. They are not going to give up on tax cuts for the rich. And lets, also, remember there are a whole slew of social issues, on which they are even worse than they used to be and i would say abortion is one of them. Absolutely, yep. They are criminalizing abortion, in state after state. You can say that is part of the State Apparatus but really, thats the federalRepublican Party, as well. So its a really mixed bag but if you want to put that in the bin of cultural issues that are going to light the base on fire. I guess, you could slot it that way. But on guns, for example. On womens rights. Yep. Theyre nomore moderate than they ever were. I totally agree with all of that. On sort of this core political economy, like government spending. I mean the thing i keep thinking of. Again, we have got this big this big spending package today, right . I mean, the thing i am thinking about, faz, we did a thing with sherrod brown. There is a world of republican reactionary politics that i, myself, have covered as a younger reporter. They would be talking about it, all the time. It would just be this constant welfare shaming. They are sending checks. Everyones going to be lazy. And its just not there, anymore. And i think i mean, and i and i i think its been taken out of their arsenal, partly because the base wants the checks. Yeah. Well, right. We suffered through the pandemic. Inequality. I mean, if you just look, from obama to now, the inequality suffered by people is far more painfully real in peoples lives. And so, it isnt going to be as easy to get out there talking about Welfare Queens and exactly. You know, people on free rides, et cetera, et cetera, when they need that schoolmeal program. And they need that childtax credit. They need that unemployment benefit, just to get by. Its not going to be easy politics for them. They have become far more detached on Economic Issues from where their people are. And you are right to say donald trump brought up populism on Economic Issues to to that party, that i think they are still trying to grapple with and figure out how to deal with because it doesnt naturally flow with their ideology. So instead, you have them trying to figure out how to extract things out of joe biden. Will you do a gas tax . Will you impose some of our conservativeprivatization schemes . How about how about we get you to be the trojan horse to try to push our conservative agenda . Jennifer, quickly, the other part of this is what i said in the end there. Like, joe biden, i consume a fair amount of rightwing media. He does not inspire rage and contempt the way obama and Hillary Clinton did. Just flat out. Its pity, he is a bumbling, old man. Hes not competent. But its not rage and contempt. You cant get lock lock him up chants going and that makes a big difference, too, i think. It absolutely does. And you could attribute some of that to longevity. A lot of people know him. But in point of fact, you are exactly right. He is an oldwhite guy. Hes not come with a foreignsounding name. And so, they take out their venom on women of color who have been nominated for appointments in this administration. Those people, they will demonize. Those people, they will go for but not joe biden. Yeah. Compare the coverage of the Vice President , the president , its very, very, clear faz and Jennifer Rubin. Thank you, both. So we are still going to talk about the deal, right . There theres been something bothering me today because im not sure what to make of the deal, itself. Which i sort of talked around in that first block. You have seen, he and this group of bipartisan senators have reached a deal on infrastructure. But i cant actually tell if this is a huge win for the democrats. Or if they just got rolled by republicans. 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So todays bipartisan Infrastructure Deal is is a strange move, in certain ways, because it appears as if, either, President Joe Biden and the democrats are just massively rolling the Republican Party. Or they are massively getting rolled. I cant figure out, yet, which is which. All right. Let me explain. Back the last day of march, right, the white house unveiled their very ambitious Infrastructure Plan at a cost of 2 trillion. Paid for, in part, with raising the corporatetax rate, among other things. Now, republicans, immediately, said no chance. But a group of democrats, most notably, senator joe machin of west virginia, said he did not want democrats to use the 50 vote straightmajority Reconciliation Process to just go it alone and pass the biden plan, as they had done with the American Rescue plan. Instead, manchin and a few others wanted to see if a bipartisan deal was possible. So, they started negotiating with republicans. Okay. Now, as this was happening, the fear among progressives has always been that a bipartisan deal would be much smaller. And crucially, most crucially, not include a lot of the most vital, climate and greenenergy investments of that originalproposed 2 trillion package. And so, the choice, as this has been playing out, appear to be, okay, pass a big, ambitious, climatecentered bill through reconciliation. Meaning, onlydemocratic votes, right . 50 plus one. Or, pass a smaller bill much more focused on roads and bridges that leaves out most of the climate stuff. But can overcome a filibuster with tenrepublican votes because you strike a deal. What is strange about what happened today is the white house, and a Bipartisan Group of senators, announced the smaller deal. Its definitely the smaller deal. But also, president biden, House Speaker nancy pelosi, and joe manchin, all, committed to having a reconciliation bill, alongside it. To, basically, pass the stuff that got left out. A kind of cakeandeatittoo approach. We will not take up a bill, in the house, until the Senate Passes the bipartisan bill. And an and a reconciliation bill. If there is no no bipartisan bill, then well just go when the Senate Passes a reconciliation bill. I expect that, in the the coming months, this summer, before the the the fiscal year is over. That, we will have voted on this bill, as well the infrastructure bill, as well as voted on the budget resolution. And thats when theyll but if only one comes to me, im not this this is the only thing thats going to come to me, im not signing it. Its in tandem. Senator manchin also told nbc news this twotrack strategy for infrastructure is the only strategy we have and that reconciliation is inevitable. Here is how Adam Jentleson put it. If the bipartisan piece is just a sidecar to the largerreconciliation package as the pelosi plan and biden statement suggest it is, then this is effectively one big bill and republicans are just giving democrats bipartisan sprinkles on a progressive sundae. I dont know what to think. Again, what matters way more than anything, more than who wins or loses or whatever is is simply this. Whether we get the scale of Climate Investment we need to forestall doom and hit the parisclimateagreement targets. Senator chris murphy is a democrat from connecticut and he joins me, now. I tooled with that script a lot because i was trying to explain the messy process. Senate process is really, like, the tar pit of cabletv news. But here we are. What what what is your understanding of what happened today . Yeah. You expect me to decipher this for you, chris. Well, its your job, senator. This is what you do for a living. So, listen. I i think you were getting it right, near the end of that monologue. In that, listen. The bottom line is, are we making a difference in peoples lives . And you are not, if you arent solving the climate crisis. You can build all the infrastructure you want. But if the planet is on fire, its not going to do much good, 2030 years from now. Similarly, in my state, we need infrastructure. We need better roads and rails and bridges. But if folks cant afford childcare to get a job, then they cant even sniff the train station. So, it is true that, there is a sizeable group of us in the senate who have made clear to leadership and the white house that were not going to entertain this smallerbipartisan package, unless we are, also, moving forward on a budgetreconciliation bill. That pluses up some of the accounts in this bill that are too small. Passenger rail, for instance. And attacks some of these issues which prevent people from ever getting to the infrastructure which brings you to work like a lack of childcare. And buoyed by what Speaker Pelosi and the president said today and even what some of my conservative colleagues in the Democratic Caucus said, it does appear we are on track to be able to consider this package, developed with republicans. And also, consider a significant, additional bill that will do all those other things. Okay. I almost feel like i want i dont want to do this on camera but thats too late, now. Its like, part of me wants to pretend that i find this outrageous. And that the reconciliation part is is making me furious, as a liberal. Like, why . Why are the republicans going to go for this . Like, if this is the plan. If if the plan is to have your cake, and eat it, too. And like, pass this one thing. But then, all the other things they dont like get passed through reconciliation. Like, what am i missing about why theyre going to vote for it . Well, so right. Im im definitely the wrong person to answer that question. But i can, certainly, engage in reckless speculation. And and and i guess, my guess would be this. As Jennifer Rubin said in your prior segment. Republicans, you know, were kind of uncomfortable in voting against the American Rescue plan. And then, not being able to go out and take credit for it. They did it, nonetheless. But there are a bunch of republicans, not all of them but many of them, who actually do want to be able to go out and trumpet projects in their districts and make a difference. So for many republicans, this is the ability to put their name on a package and then be able to disavow parts that other parts that that they they not be as comfortable with. So, there there is an ability for republicans to have their cake, and eat it too as well here. That is a great thats that is a great point. And i hadnt thought of it that way and i think i have been so locked into this zerosum thinking, which is mcconnellism, right . Sort of the Mcconnell Theory of the case from the first days of barack obama is like there are no winwins to be had. That that that if you are if the Opposition Party is successful in driving its agenda, that makes them more popular. And it it it it hurts you, right . Prior to him, there was more of a sense, and not always, but a little more of a sense that like, you can find stuff that everyone gets a win out of, right . And so, what i am hearing from you is like, look, there are people that want to be able to vote for an Infrastructure Package and say that we built that bridge there. Yeah. And listen. I think there is a question as to whether mcconnell has as much control over this caucus, as he did. Because you can certainly make that argument. That, if you are only looking at the politics of this, if all you care about is the defeat of joe biden. Then, you should sit on the sidelines for everything. But it may be that, after four years of trump, there are a bunch of republicans who are actually interested in legislating. And that mcconnell is no longer able to persuade all of his caucus to sit on the sidelines. And you are, frankly, seeing that all over the place, chris. Its weird, i know. You are seeing announcement today on police policereform legislation. I am still at the table on a backgroundchecks bill. You know, theres more sort of conversation at the grassroots happening between the two parties than ive ever seen, before. And i dont know that thats because Mitch Mcconnell is sort of winning the argument in the caucus. Its a great point. And i think, also, you know, i talk to senators a lot. I have been talking to senate. I think, even republicans didnt love coming in to to to pass judges, and do nothing else. I mean, you know, just as a almost at a level of like what am i doing with my life . I think theres some of them that want to do something. Feel like theyre making an impact . Yeah. Its also not shouldnt be lost on us that a bunch of the republican senators that are in a lot of these discussions are not running for reelection. Yeah, great point. Yep. And maybe, in the short run, that is also accruing to our benefit. You know, fast forward to the senate that replaces this one. Without people, like rob portman and others, things may look differently. All right, senator chris murphy, thank you for decoding that for me. I appreciate it. Still to come. Rudy giulianis commitment to the big lie catches up to him. Why new york suspended his law license. Woof, thats tough. Plus, the latest from surfside, florida, where a 12story condo collapsed overnight. Nearly100 people are still unaccounted for. Vaughn hillyard has the latest next. D for. Vaughn hillyard has the latest next centrum multigummies arent just great tasting. Theyre powerpacked vitamins. That help unleash your energy. Loaded with b vitamins. 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This morning, there were two individuals that were pulled from the rubble. But ever since the sun rose here over miami beach area, noother individuals have been recovered, at this time. Authorities. They just held a Press Conference, in which they said that there are 99 individuals that are unaccounted for, at this time. It doesnt, necessarily, mean that 99 are missing. But there were 55 units that collapsed, at this condo complex here, behind us. And they, essentially, went from unit to unit, assess how long many individuals are typically there, overnight. And thats where they got to that 99 number. The hope is that theres a number of folks that are snowbirds. Potentially, leaving unoccupied condos. But, what we know here is, over the course of the last13 hours, that rescue crews have been unable to recover any individuals from the rubble. We saw a difficult circumstance here, this afternoon, in which there was thunderstorms. There was, also, a fire within some of that rubble that led to a plume of smoke that overtook the area for about an hour. The governor was here earlier today, as well as senator marco rubio and congresswoman Debbie Wasserman schultz. They took part in the Press Conference just a few minutes ago. They announced there is an Emergency Declaration and president biden, the federal government, have have sent Fema Resources here. This last Press Conference this evening, chris, was the last update we will be receiving this evening. They said these crews, rescue crews overnight will continue to work hoping there are some individuals that are beneath that rubble. And there there is, perhaps, a pocket of oxygen reaching some of those individuals. Those crews. They will be working overnight. We expect the next update to come, though, at 8 00 a. M. Tomorrow morning, chris. Fingers crossed, obviously. Thats a really, really brutal scene. Vaughn hillyard in surfside, florida, for us tonight. Thank you, i really appreciate it. Coming up. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announces there will be a select committee to investigate january 6th. Adam schiff on what we can expect, ahead. On what we can expect, ahead. And Rudy Giuliani, the former lawandorder mayor of new york city gets his law license suspended for spreading the big lie. That story, next. Reading the big lie. That story, next upbeat music [narrator] this is kate. She always wanted her smile to shine. Now, she uses a capful of therabreath healthy smile oral rinse to give her the healthy, sparkly smile she always wanted. Crowd Cheering therabreath, its a better mouthwash. At walmart, target and other fine stores. I have a sign in front of my desk. So lets pretend its here right now. I had it there when i was the mayor. I keep it with me, now. Ill put it there when i become president. It says, im responsible. Throughout the years, the everhumble Rudy Giuliani has insisted he is a man of law and order. A man, who is above reproach. Nothing disturbs me more than to see all of the revelations of crime committed by some of the most powerful and some of the wealthiest members of our society. I do think that the work in my office, and other parts of the Justice Department has changed the definition of the problem of crime in america. Were held together by law. And were held together by respect for the law. Thats what america is all about. I think i have had, both, an opentransparent government and an open, transparent life. And lead with honesty and truth. Giuliani has maintained that selfrighteous, sanctimonious position, despite having his home and Office Raided by federal agents, earlier this year. He has been open about his contempt for the man who preceded him as Donald Trumps personal fixer and lawyer, michael cohen. Hes been lying for years. I mean, any number of very serious lies by him back a year and a half ago, including his fooling people. Hiding tape recordings. Telling them they werent recorded. Lying to their face. Breaking faith with them. Taping his client, which is a disbarrable offense. A new York Appellate Court just suspended his law license, after finding quote there is uncontroverted evidence that responded communicated, demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers, and the public at large. In his capacity as lawyer for formerpresident donald j. Trump and the Trump Campaign in wekz with trumps failed effort at reelection in 2020. Speaking outside his manhattan home on the 35th Anniversary of the day trumps original fixer, roy cohn, was disbarred. Somebodys got to fix this doublestandard justice system, which is not america, anymore. I mean, it its only Trump Lawyers who have their offices raided. Its only Trump Lawyers who get penalized without Anybody Hearing their side of the case. Only Trump Lawyers. What do they have in common . As a columnist at New York Daily News and staff editor, michael dy chronicled decades over giuliani. Giuliani even once referred to daly as publicenemy number one. Now, Special Correspondent for the daily beast. Donna perry is former prosecutor for the Southern District of new york, which giuliani ran. And both join me now. Diane, let me start with you. If you could just tell us what the complaint was and what the kind of technicallegal, you know, legalethical finding here is . Sure. So the allegations here were of a pattern of false and misleading statements made to courts and to the public, in general. And the allegation here before the Grievance Committee was that these were not only false and dishonest. But actually, threatened imminentpublic harm. And that, they were continuing and that there was no likelihood that they would stop. And that this was actually an offense and a danger to the rule of law in this country. So, this type of complaint by one lawyer against another lawyer is not lightly undertaken. And this was done for the reasons ive said. And the court this the panel of five judges in granting the temporary suspension of giulianis license found not only was there a pattern of deceitful conduct here. But that, the threat was ongoing. And that required immediate suspension, pending a fulldisciplinary hearing. Michael, obviously, youve covered giuliani for for decades. And i think, you know, this is someone who made his name as a lawyer. As as as a guy, whos sort of swaggeringcourtroom presence, like, this is what he did. How do you think this hits him . I you know, i i caught him speeding once and his reaction was if this can happen, this is no longer america. So now, here he is, again, saying its no longer america. I mean, he got caught. And if you read the complaint, its really its kind of astonishing. At how brazen it was and how he kept doing it, even when he knew that he was being examined. I mean, it was i never read anything quite like that. I thought people always say to me, what happened to rudy . And i always say, well, what happened to him is he woke up in the morning. Hes basically always been the same guy. But, you read this and you see that something really did happen. And i just go back to when the the 15th anniversary of 9 11. He and Chris Christie were down with trump. And then, rudy was dancing around trump like he was a little pekingese lapdog right at his feet. And it was it was total subservience. And and i think that being down there, that meant that rudy, mr. 9 11, accepted all of trumps lies about 9 11. Like, having hundreds of friends die. About having help down there. About having seen muslims cheer. I mean, and he kept lying and lying and lying, trump did, about 9 11. And for rudy, that was fine. So i guess and now, he ends up, himself, telling lies about dead voters. I mean, you know. Well, your point about the complaint, i think, is striking. Because i agree. In some ways, there is tremendous continuity here. But, you know, donnia, what all of us watched, right, was this was fundamentally a fraudulent undertaking. It was laughed out of every courtroom. It was there was it was a lie. The whole thing was a lie. We all knew it. We all saw it. And i think a lot of people were asking, as this was happening, giulianis going courtroom to courtroom. He would be a little hedged. When he was pressed, he would try to be a little more careful. Like, can you do this . Isnt there some at some point, on all these people Sydney Powell and the rest. Like, some ethical bar that says as a lawyer, you shouldnt be able to go into courtrooms and do it . For lying as a lawyer. I mean, half of us, do for a living. Im sorry, i didnt mean to interrupt. I wont respond to that. This is i said half. I said half. The other half. This is the outlier. And and, you know, its a noncoincidence that the dominion argument happened, you know, on the same day. And it, in some way, theres theres one issue thats at heart, in both cases. Which is, were these statements made while the speaker knew, at the time, that they were false . And the panel, today, found, yes, Rudy Giuliani knowingly made false statements. And they they went through, in in great detail. How how they came to this conclusion, including the reliance on unnamed sources, on confidential informants. Which they pointed out, in a great footnote, dont exist with private attorneys. And that that the statements are internally inconsistent. As you said, chris, he jumps around in the space of one court hearing, he said, yes, [ inaudible ] accusations of fraud. No, were not. And you cannot do that as a lawyer. Lawyers are supposed to be held, no matter what michael says, to a higher standard. I i that was unfair, i agree. But the and i do know that criminal lawyers, a lot of times, dont ask their clients, did you do it . Because then, if the client says yeah, they cant go in court and act like the guy didnt do it. So there theres so i am aware of that. And and, you know, what shocked me with rudy was just the total disregard for that. It its i mean, as a lawyer, you must just be and thats why, as i said at the outset, chris. I mean, in practicing law for 25 years, this is one of onlytwo complaints that ive been party to. The other one, i will say, was against the formernew York Attorney general, who violently, sexually abused a number of women, including me. So, that was that seemed worthy of complaint. Yeah. And this, very different reason, seems worthy of complaint. And i will say, in that case, his license was not suspended temporarily. He was not deemed to be a a public danger. Nor, did we even request it. I was not aware, until this complaint, that it was available. 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Pick a place to meet your family if you are not together and cant go home. Remind your parents to pack an emergency supply kit. Making a plan might feel like homework, but it will help you and your family stay safe during an emergency. Just last month, democrats tried in good faith to create an independent Bipartisan Commission to investigate the attack on the u. S. Capitol. Then came word from donald trump that republicans in the house and the senate should not approve the democrat trap of the january 6th commission. Hopefully Mitch Mcconnell and Kevin Mccarthy are listening. They were, the next day, Mitch Mcconnell came out against it, and Senate Republicans blocked the creation of a commission. Now, House Speaker nancy pelosi has taken matters into her own hands. This morning, with great solemnity and sadness, im announcing that the house will be establishing a select committee on the january 6th insurrection. Again, january 6th was one of the darkest days in our nations history. I have said it now three times. It is imperative we establish the truth of that day and insure that an attack of that kind cannot happen, and that we root out the causes of it all. So what exactly does this mean, who will be in charge of this thing, and what role with republicans play, if any . Adam schiff, democrat from california, is chair of the house intelligence committee. He joins me now. Congressman, whats your understanding of what todays announcement means in real terms . Real terms, it means were not going to be deterred by the hypocrisy by the republicans. We negotiated with them in good faith, chairman Bennie Thompson did a remarkable job, came to an agreement with his Ranking Member in the republican counterpart on a commission, five democrats, five republicans. Both parties necessary to approve a subpoena, and nonetheless, the republicans said no. Mitch mcconnell called in a personal favor with his senate colleagues, now, why on earth would you do that . You showed why. Donald trump doesnt want it to happen. The speaker took the next step, which is if youre not going to allow a commission, were not going to simply turn away from this terrible tragedy. Were going to get to the bottom of it, so she will establish a select committee to conduct this investigation to find out what went into this insurrection, why didnt we see it coming, what was the status of the intelligence. Was it shared, why we were so ill prepared on that day, and most important, how do we protect ourselves from Something Like this in the future . This is almost a banal point, but i think its worth mentioning. The two ap options on the table the Bipartisan Commission, the math was five and five, equal numbers. That was the 9 11 commission. Whats significant about that, committees in conference, the committee holds a majority. They can kind of do what they want as long as they hold the caucus together on all the business of the committee. A Bipartisan Commission, you set up a situation where you must find consensus. You have to have everyone kind of get together, and that was the model. So one offer to the republicans was, share power as equals. And they said no. So now theyre going to get a chitty where theyre in the minority and dont have the same power. How do you understand why they have chosen that . Well, it is pretty remarkable because its a big Leap Of Faith when youre the majority to say, lets do a commission. It will be 50 50. Yes. And frankly, if youre not operating in good faith, you can stop the commission by refusing to grant any subpoena. So that was a remarkable, you know, expression, i think, of goodwill. And more than that, commitment to do this the way it should be done. And the republicans said no. And the reason they said no is they dont want it done. Theyre afraid that it will show complicity among their members in propagating the big lie, in creating the environment for that insurrection. Whatever their fears are, they dont want this to see the light of day, and most particularly, donald trump doesnt. And they are nothing about the party, the cult of donald trump. So the result, yes, is there will be a select committee. They will be in the minority in the select committee. We are going to nonetheless try, whoever the speaker appoints to this, to conduct this in an objective way. To get to the truth, to have a thorough and objective report. You know, what republicans will do for their side, i dont know, but i think we have to assume that it wont be operating in good faith, but we can try. Thats all we can do. We cant walk away from the responsibility. The last big select committee on peoples mind, the Benghazi Select Committee that the House Republican Majority Empanelled and had Hillary Clinton testifying for 11 hours. Famously, Kevin Mccarthy touted it in this instrumental fashion as conjured to push down her poll numbers. What are the lessons from that select committee . I was on that select committee. I was actually on two investigations of benghazi. The first was done by the house intelligence committee, and it was bipartisan. And it debunked all these Conspiracy Theories about Hillary Clinton and about the security and allegations that she had interfered with it somehow. We debunked that on a bipartisan basis, as did six or seven other bipartisan committees. But that wasnt the answer that Kevin Mccarthy wanted. So he pushed for a select committee that would be a purely political instrument. That is not the situation here. Here, we tried for the Bipartisan Commission. They rejected it so far. We still want this done right. But it has to get done. And well have to get it done right as a select committee unless they come to their senses and embrace a truly Bipartisan Commission. All right, congressman adam schiff who did serve on that Benghazi Select Committee those many years ago. Thanks for making type tonight. Thank you. That is all in. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening. Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated. And thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Very, very happy to have you here. Got a big show for you tonight. Were going to start with my favorite movie. The original version, the Black And White version of the manchurian candidates came out in 1962. And this is not exactly a spoiler, but the real villain in the story is angela lansberry. Not a spoiler. You figured it out soon when youre watching it. But Angela Lansbury is the kind of a hidden from the public villain. Shes the power behind the throne. Shes the wife of an increasingly highprofile u. S. Senator, but you soon learn that hes just like a puppet. Hes a dolt, and shes really the one pulling all the strings. So heres a clip. You can see Angela Lansbury here. You see her quiet, sort of evil satisfaction. Whhe