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dismantling every system in place to address this with humanity and compassion. and new warnings from health officials as more states look to ease covid restrictions. this morning, dr. anthony fauci is saying, not so fast. >> even though the decline was steep, we absolutely need to avoid the urge to say, oh, everything is going great, which it is going in the right direction, but once you declare victory, that metaphor that people say, if you're going for a touchdown, don't spike the ball on the five-yard lane, wait until you get into the end zone. >> it all comes as u.s. vaccine efforts are picking up steam. yesterday the weekly average was brought to 2.5 million vaccines per day. joining me right now is white house principal deputy press secretary, karine jean-pierre, which is the most beautiful name in the world, we'll take it from there. the president is hitting the road to promote the details of the american rescue plan. does he feel he need to sell this more than he did in prime time and in the rose garden as well this week? karine, can you hear me? >> i sure can, alex. >> do you need me to repeat the question? >> if you can, alex, good to see you, thank you so much. >> i'm so glad to have you. look, the president is hitting the road, he's got this big legislative victory under his belt. he sold it to the american public in prime time, he sold it to the american public in the rose garden, yet he's got to get out and sell it some more. what's he going to say that he hasn't already said? >> so here's the thing, alex. look, the president came into the white house with two clear goals. the first goal was to mount this vaccination program, to make sure people here in this country were able to get those doses in arms that he talks about every time he can when he talks about getting vaccinated and the importance of getting back to normal, that's a big piece of it. the second part is wanting to pass and making sure we pass the american rescue plan which we saw signed into law this week. and, you know, this is a critical moment. this is a moment where we have to make sure that the american people know what's in this plan, they understand what's in this plan. it has the $1,400 checks in this plan that's going to go to 85% of families, making sure that the 11 million people who lost their jobs this past year, who are living in poverty, get them out of poverty. it's going to cut child poverty by half. and so there's so many things in this bill that meets the moment that we are in, that he's going to hit the road as well with the vice president, the first lady, the second gentleman, respectively, they're going to criss-cross this country and talk about the plan, talk about how we're going to implement this plan, talk about the funding that's in this plan, the resources that's in the plan that's going to move forward even further with getting people vaccinated, getting those mobile units out there, making sure those shots are getting into arms, making sure there are vaccinators. his first prime time speech last week was talking about how we can start getting back to normal. there's some work we have to do, right? we're looking at fourth of july and being able to, for people who are vaccinated, to sit with their families at home and enjoy that fourth of july holiday. so this is what he's going to go out to do. this is the work that we're really working towards. already this last couple of days, people have been seeing that $1,400 hit their bank accounts and through direct deposits. so there's a lot to communicate with the american people. and he wants to do that himself as well. >> i want to get to fourth of july, that timeline, in just a moment. but the fact is there are these $1,400 checks. is that really what americans truly care about? because you are getting mixed messages depending on what side of the aisle you're on. you've got senator barrasso who says this bill is only 9% devoted to covid and the rest of it is however he wants to say that. then you have nancy pelosi saying it's about 90% devoted to covid relief. where does the truth lie? do americans really care? because they're getting these checks to help them directly. >> you know, alex, that's such a great question. the truth lies with the american people. poll after poll after poll, alex, that we have seen in the past month or so, shows strong bipartisan support for this piece of legislation, the american rescue plan, that is now law. and we saw overwhelming support even from republicans. we saw polls, like 59% of republicans supporting this piece of legislation. so you have democrats, you have independents, you have republicans who say they want that $1,400 check because they have been hurt so badly by this past year, the pandemic, and this economic crisis. and so that's who we're listening to. and, you know, alex, the thing is, the people who are not supporting this, the republicans who are not supporting it, are the republicans on the hill. so they're going to have to go back to their constituents, they're going to have to go into their district, go into their states, and explains why they voted against not putting $1,400 in people's pockets who need it the most, not voting for a piece of legislation that helps small businesses, who really felt the brunt of this virus, of this pandemic, not voting for a piece of legislation that cut child poverty in half. that is on them, to try to explain to their own constituents why they didn't do this. >> hey, you know what, i need having explained to me is why people like the elected u.s. senator from mississippi, roger wicker, who goes and votes against this, then gets out on twitter touting all the benefits for his constituents, hey, folks, here's the stuff you're going to get. that needs explaining to me. but that's a different conversation. let's get to july 4th, an ambitious timeline the president gave, putting a big circle on that day on the calendar, he says he hopes americans can celebrate the day around their barbecues. americans will likely remember that target goal, it's an easy one to remember. will the president be ready to take the blame if the fourth of july comes and we're not having family barbecues? >> here's the thing, when he spoke in his prime time address he also made a couple of announcements. one is, by may 1 all americans will be eligible to get the vaccination. that's really critical because that timeline has been accelerated to what the president had said just a couple of weeks ago. so by may 1, that may 1 deadline, people will be able to go out there and get vaccinated, which, you know, helps with the fourth of july kind of deadline as well. we all have to do our part. the president's going to do his part. we've increased the doses that's gone into states, we're working really closely with governors and state and local officials to make sure people are getting vaccinated, making sure that we have those vaccination centers, making sure we have those mobile units, making sure we have vaccinators. we've been doing the work for the past 50 plus days. he says this all the time, he said it in his address, please, please, please, you know, wear the mask, continue to wear the mask and get vaccinated, do the social distancing. so it's going to take all of us, alex, to get to that fourth of july. the president has been doing the work, we see the numbers, we see the data, we see people, more and more people getting vaccinated. so now with this american rescue plan, we have the resources to continue with that push of the vaccination program. and also so many other things that this plan, that this plan that's now law will bring forget, including, which i had not mentioned, opening up schools safely, which is going to be so critical. >> oh, huge. >> so many families. >> can you imagine, the families who have had to teach their kids at home and oversee all that to exclusion of other things they need to do, also make money. let me ask you about the filibuster. and the fact that president biden, with his vast experience in congress, knows the pros and cons of being in the majority and the minority, right? and he's said thus far he does not support the filibuster. yet there are many democrats who feel the only way that anything will be accomplished in the senate will be to get rid of the filibuster. do you know where the president stands? is he evolving on this at all? >> no, he's still very much where he has been for the past several, several years, which is, you know, keeping the filibuster. look, he really wants to continue to work with congress, members of congress, continue to have those conversations on important things that we need to move forward with, with the american people. he's going to do that. he wants to work bipartisanly. in his core, that is what he wants to do. he brought the good faith forward in meeting with senators, republican senators, and having, when it came to the american rescue plan, he's going to continue to do that. there are so many issues that have bipartisan support out there. when you think about infrastructure and so many other matters that the american people care about. so he's going to continue to have those conversations, talk to members of congress like he has been doing for the past several weeks. >> let me ask you, in fact, queued up after you is peter baker from "the washington post," who tweeted that at this point in office, biden so far has given zero press conferences. how do you respond to him? is there anything behind no news conferences yet? >> it's coming. i think jen psaki has talked about it in her press briefing. he will be doing a press conference that will happen. but i do want to add, alex, this is a president, when he's doing an event and reporters shout questions at him, he answers them. he's answered, gosh, close to 40 if not more than 40 questions that have been shouted at him by reporters. so he is having those conversations. a press conference for sure is coming. he believes in communicating with the american people, making sure that he's talking to reporters as well. and so that is coming. honestly, alex, his focus was on the pandemic, his focus was on this economic crisis we were dealing with, and passing this american rescue plan which was so critical and key. and now he's going to go out there and talk about the implementation on the help is here tour. >> let me apologize to peter baker, i implied he was from "the washington post," he is from "the new york times," both venerable papers, don't get mad at me, peter. on the southern border, should we take the deployment of fema as some sort of tacit acknowledgement that the president is facing an obstacle there? >> we have a challenge at the border, alex, we've acknowledged that, we've said that. honestly, alex, when you look at the past four years, the cruel, inhumane way that the last administration moved forward with immigration, it did not enhance our security at all. and so now we're in a situation where, you know, this president and the administration, they want to make sure that we move forward with a humane immigration system that's also lawful. and so that is what we are working towards. that's what we're trying to do. we're talking about, you were asking me about the filibuster and what's next. look, immigration is something that is bipartisan. he put forth a piece of immigration legislation not too long ago, the first week of his administration, when he was in the first couple of days in the white house. so he wants to move forward on that as well. and that is how we're really going to start solving the problem on the border. >> let me ask you one more time -- one more question, i know you're awfully business and have to go. i want to talk about new york governor andrew cuomo. there is a growing number of new york democratic lawmakers calling on him to resign amid the sexual misconduct allegations. there's been no word from either president biden or vice president harris on this. is there a point when either of them will weigh in? >> you know, the president and the vice president believe that every woman who comes forward should be listened to, should be heard, should be able to tell their story, and that is something that they strongly believe in. and here's the thing, we are in new york right now, we know that the new york attorney general letitia james is putting forth an independent investigation with full subpoena power. and we believe that should move forward. and so once again, every woman that comes forward, i believe six have come forward now, they should be heard, they should be listened to and they should be respected. that's what the president believes, that's what the vice president believes. >> okay. karine jean-pierre, good chunk of time with you, thank you. >> good to see you, my friend. joining me right now, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker, thank you for not ditching me out. i was like, peter's not going to be happy. >> i could never be mad at you, i promise. cies. >> i appreciate that. you heard karine jean-pierre, white house press secretary, she talked about the challenges at the border. the biden administration has shied away from calling it a crisis but do you think they're treating it as such behind the scenes? >> they don't want to call it a crisis because they obviously have priorities, they're trying to find credit for the covid relief package they just passed, a big deal obviously for any new president coming in. this is a challenge for any white house, is, you know, you have your agenda, you have the things you want to focus on, and then you have the things that are forced onto your agenda, like the border situation down there. i think that, you know, they wanted to be able to say we're cutting a break from the harsh way that trump handled immigration but they don't want to say we're responsible then for more people coming over in some ways or for any kind of situation that would give ammunition to trump and his supporters who believe that biden isn't tough enough on immigration. so they would just as soon find other ways to talk about it. so, you know, it's one of these situations where they're not going to be able to avoid talking about it because it is a serious situation. but, you know, i don't think you'll see them volunteering it. >> so just yesterday, the biden administration announced fema will head to the border to try to head off the influx of minors. but it comes timing-wise days before house republicans are also arriving at the border to get a firsthand look at the situation. obviously the gop is trying to make this a political issue. but what do you make of both of these things? >> well, look, i think the republicans are going to make a political issue of it. it's a wedge issue that has been successful for them in their view over the last four years under trump, you know, attacking democrats for being weak on the borders. what president biden has tried to say is no, we can guard our borders but do it in a humane way, we can do it in a way that doesn't separate children from their families the way it was done under the previous administration. but, you know, that's an issue that he's not -- he would rather talk about the legislation he wants to put forward, in which he has proposed a pathway to citizenship or at least pathway to staying here for many millions of people who have been in the country illegally but worked hard and paid their taxes. he doesn't want to talk about a border that looks like something might be happening that he can't control, because that only fuels the opposition. >> what about the biden administration preparing to go on the national tour promoting the covid relief bill? why do you think they need to sell it when polls show most americans are already on board? i'm curious what the strategy is. i've heard it reported, peter, perhaps it was even from you, that there were lessons learned post-aca bill passage by the obama administration that the biden administration is saying, those maybe were some mistakes, we're going to do it right this time. what is that less on? lesson? >> yeah, exactly. president obama's team from 12 years ago believed they didn't do enough to claim credit for, to sell both the american health care plan, the obamacare plan, as well as the stimulus package, $800 billion, roughly, that was passed three weeks after they took office. president obama will tell you, i just thought if i did the work, that would speak for itself. his aides and those now in the biden white house will say, no, that's not the way politics works, you need to get out there, make sure the public knows they got something as a result of this effort by the new president. now, you're right, it does have strong support right now, strong bipartisan support, a lot of republican supporters as well as democrats. certainly when checks show up at people's doorsteps, they're going to appreciate that too. that doesn't mean you want to let that go without, you know, making sure that people understand that it was this president who did it and without any republican support, they would like very hard to hammer the republicans who refused to support it across the board. >> okay. one more point here, as i mentioned with karine, you tweeted yesterday at this point in office trump had given five news conferences, obama had given two, george w. bush three, and clinton five, biden has given so far zero. does it matter that president biden has yet to hold a formal press conference? is this just a republican talking point? you heard karine saying he's answered a lot of questions tossed at him. he leaves the podium, gets maybe halfway through the room and stops and answers a question. >> yeah, he does. sometimes the answers are interesting and illuminating, sometimes they're not. sometimes they're just throwaway lines or a kiss-off kind of, you know, things to say in order to laugh it off. they're not a sustained -- not the same thing as a sustained news conference where you stand up there for 30 or 40 minutes and answer a series of questions that can be tough and difficult to answer and can be followed up on by reporters who have a chance to examine what the president is saying at greater depth. now, it's not the biggest deal in the world. obviously white house reporters care about this more than many people. but this is a president who came to office saying he was going to get back to normal. these numbers that "the washington post" put in this article were interesting because that suggested, at least on this one small areas, it's not back to normal yet. there is a value to a president having press conferences. eisenhower used to do it regularly, he said it was a useful thing for him, not just to communicate his message to the public and not just because it's accountability for a president which is i think important in a democracy, but it's an action-forcing event in the white house, because if you know you're going to get quizzed about this or that, you make sure your ducks in a row and make should you you get updates on a situation. eisenhower thought there was a value to a president in do you go press conferences, it's not just a gift to reporters or the public. >> this from a guy who always comes prepared for our interviews. as karine jean-pierre pointed out, she said they're coming, and i'm guessing there are. thank you so much. ahead, we got a glimpse today on whether republicans will rebuke senator ron johnson for his remarks about black lives matter protesters. you probably know how that one ends. and the governor of new york. is anyone defending him? 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>> that's a great question, alex, thank you so much for having me. yes, of course the governor is guaranteed due process under the law. but there is a very stark difference between investigations that may end in criminal charges and the question of confidence in our political leadership. calling for the governor to resign right now and to step aside is not a judgment about his liability for any alleged criminal conduct. and the formal versions in albany, in new york city, with the police department, with two federal investigations, the fbi, they'll continue to run their course. in the meanwhile, because he has lost confidence not only from his legislative colleagues but also others, it is prudent for him to step down. >> so you're saying step aside because you can no longer effectively lead. i mean, investigations will happen, but because you can't lead the state any longer. >> that's exactly correct. just notably here, i mean, the nursing home coverup and the governor's sexual harassment claims are not separate stories. collectively not only are they distracting from the work of the state, but we have major decisions to make right now about revenue raising, about education funding, about rebuilding after covid. we're in the middle of our budget crisis. all of this collectively, just leads us to conclude that we cannot do this with the governor at the helm because he and his top aides do not have the trust of lawmakers, for good reason. >> so here is a look right now at "the new york times'" front page article today, "the imperious rise and accelerating fall of andrew cuomo. even as he tries to pilot a political survival strategy." some of the governor's past political arguments, is that partly what's causing him even more grief? >> you know, this is what i'll say. what we know about andrew cuomo, those of us in the political world, is that the behavior that's coming full circle right now is behavior that many people if not all people in new york politics have known about for decades, a pattern of abusive behavior that's influenced his ability to govern, but also a pattern of behavior that he has used to not only take control over others but to dominate others, to berate others, to belittle others. it's a decades-long pattern of abuse. but of course what we're seeing now is a continuation of that. so this is i think included not only by him but also his top level advisers which makes it actually even more egregious. >> i'll take that a step further, this is from another quote from that article, "the problem with cuomo is no one has ever liked him, he's not a nice person and doesn't have any real friends. if you don't have a base of support and you get into trouble, you're dead meat." this came from richard ravitch who served under a previous new york governor. do you agree with that? how much of all of this do you think can be attributed to detractors of andrew cuomo seeing an opening? >> sure. i think it is related but i don't think it's causative. i think the governor's behavior today, yesterday, in the decades before, definitely allow many of us to know that the people coming forward are credible. it allows us to not only believe them but to call for his resignation because again, it is part of his pattern of abusive behavior. but i think that we should look at these criticisms of the governor, not having friends, being mean to people, on its face alone is not enough but it's what's giving many of us the ability to pause and say, we believe the people coming forward, we believe that this is someone who is capable of lying about nursing home death numbers. we believe this is someone that's connected to this pattern of abusive behavior because of what we've seen before. >> do you think that overall politically, the grievances can either diminish or detract from more serious allegations of inappropriate behavior? can that be pointed to? >> i don't necessarily think that it detracts from it. i think it's actually additive. i think when we are talking about this governor, this is not a small thing to call for a governor to resign. i want to be very clear about that. this is a very serious position to take. and also it does give many of us a heavy heart. this is in many ways a very devastating thing to have to experience, especially because, again, we're in the middle of a pandemic recovery. we're still trying to get people vaccinated in the state of new york. and also because we want to make sure we're doing what we all came here to do which is to serve the people that we took a vow to represent. >> i want to reiterate that the governor has denied these allegations every which way. but is there something in your mind, alessandra, that he might have done, beyond making emphatic denials that might have helped him in this process? >> i was one of the first lawmakers to call for the governor's resignation right after charlotte bennett came forward because i believed her detailed account constituted clear grooming and sexual harassment. and at the time he did not deny the details of the conversation. we're now up to six women who have spoken in some form about the governor and his harassing behavior. this is collectively part of a pattern of abusive behavior that during my time as a staffer in his office, i didn't see sexual harassment but i certainly saw a culture of toxicity, of berating people, of belittling people, of making people feel small, of yelling at them, a culture of fear. >> is there something that stands out, is there a memory you have, an incident you want to share that backs that up or is it just generally pervasive? >> i'm happy to share. i shared this a little bit with rebecca tracer in her article in "new york magazine" that's already out but also will be in the cover story tomorrow. during my time there, i was thinking about running for office and when the governor caught wind of it, not only was i questioned as if i was on the stand, i had my own boss, alonzo david, calling me repeatedly about it, over and over again, asking for details of a meeting i had with the now deputy majority leader. it was as if i had done something wrong. this intimidation tactic, this attempt to scare me so that i wouldn't even think about running for office or running against somebody who the governor considered a close ally, was all part of their regular business as usual to keep people quiet and to keep people small. i soon realized, of course, that that was not appropriate behavior, but more importantly, that this was really just part of the governor's regular course of behavior. so obviously i ran, i won in that election, but the point is bigger than that. the point is that my experience is not an anomaly, it's actually something that people experience every single day. as i'm talking to you right now there are staffers in the governor's office who are afraid. there are people who are leaving every day. and i think we owe it to them as well to create a safe workspace environment for the people who come to new york state to work for the people and not to be distracted or to be afraid to go to work every day. >> remarkable to think that governor cuomo would not respect someone who had some ambition in her life. alessandra biaggi, thank you for joining me, good to see you. sometimes you hear things that leave you stunned. if i told you one baseball stadium in the u.s. planned to have a full crowd, 40,000 plus people, at its home opener on april 5, you would be shocked but it's true. las vegas is still reeling today, you may be surprised why some workers are saying and what they're saying about the relief checks, coming your way next. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. let us take you to a place you've been craving. where the aroma of authenticity turns into the scent of home. and the warmth of friends and family is in every bite. here, there's a story behind every meal. with cacique, you'll be inspired to add your own flair. so you can tell a story of your own. cacique.your auténtico awaits. tom vice president harris will be in las vegas to settle american rescue plan which is already wildly popular. a new pew research poll shows the plan receives 70% support overall. democrats are overwhelmingly in favor at 94%. republicans are just shy of 50% report. deepa, welcome to you. what are you hearing? >> reporter: that's right, alex, las vegas is a town that has been extraordinarily hit hard by this pandemic economically. last april the unemployment rate here was at about 30% which is so, so high. they have improved significantly in the last year. i've got to tell you, from last january to this january, the tourism numbers are down more than 60%. so this is still very much a town that is still reeling from the economic impacts of this pandemic. service work, hotel workers obviously a huge part of the workers in this city. workers we spoke to yesterday in las vegas are excited about the american rescue plan, they're excited to get some of those checks in the mail like you were just mentioning. it will help a little bit. a lot of workers here that we're talking to are saying what they really want is their job back. we spoke to one woman, mary ann, a single mom of five, she's lived in las vegas since 2003. she's been a buffet worker at a hotel and casino for 14 years. she was laid off in march and has not gone back to work. listen to what she told us about the checks coming in the mail. >> i love my job. i'm not a lazy person. i appreciate the help from the government, don't get me wrong, every little thing helps. i really appreciate it. but those are short term. those are not long term. my kids' life is long term. our situation is a long term. in order for me to protect and take care of my kids, it's my job, that's my long term. and that's what i need. we are already struggling enough. you know, waiting for unemployment money is just so depressing. >> reporter: alex, just an absolutely heartbreaking story for mary ann here in las vegas. and what she told me that's really important to keep in mind is that money that she's getting from the stimulus package, she says it's money already spent. she's behind on her car payments. that money will go to paying off her car which she'll use to drive to the food pantry, she tells me, to feed her family. >> it is not a unique story, sadly, unfortunately. deepa, thank you for that. joining me now, congressman veasey, welcome back to the broadcast. i'm curious as to the reception the american relief bill is getting in your district. >> people are excited about it. people are going to get money to help pay for childcare. the childcare tax credit is going to -- people are going to get an additional $2,000, up to $8,000 for two or more children. what's in the bill is absolutely incredible. and i think more importantly, people that have had to stand in long lines at food banks or be in food bank car drive-ups, the additional $1,600 they're -- $1,400 that they're going to receive in their pockets is just going to be amazing for them. and at a time, particularly for texans, as we went through that winter storm where everyone lost their power for days, i mean, the timing of it is just -- is amazing. and just much-needed. >> some people are going to have to pay off some pretty extraordinary energy bills because of that storm. but we won't go there right now. let me ask you about where we are in this first weekend since texas reopened with a 100% zero mask mandate, right? do you have concerns about that? are you hearing concerns from your constituents about their health and safety? >> yes, people are very concerned about it. but alex, what i will tell you is that it's really amazing, how the business community has decided that that was actually not smart for the governor to do that. and so many grocery stores and so many other places around town, particularly here in the dallas/ft. worth area where i live, are still enforcing this. i know there are probably places arbited the state that aren't, but i think for people really paying attention to what's going on out there, worried about the new variants, the new strains, or haven't received their vaccine yet, they want to be cautious and move slowly. we understand we need to reopen the economy, we need to get our schools reopened. but people want to do it safely. and most texans are in that category. >> is there any concern about the threat of lawsuits as the city of austin faced because they refused to go by the statewide mask mandate and said, hold up, we and our citizens here believe that wearing masks is good for our health so we're not going to go along? they got sued, they won, but do you think texas, the capital, will lob more lawsuits at communities like the dallas/ft. worth area if they don't go along? >> i don't think you'll see more lawsuits. i think a lot of what governor abbott is doing is trying to take attention away from the fact that he really screwed up the storm response and that so much of that rests at his desk. so he's doing these things to try to take attention away because his approval ratings have been plummeting since the storm. i think people need to keep that in mind and keep that in focus. a lot of this is politics come from the governor, and that people in texas want to be safe. again, when i was out this weekend, i ran several essential errands, people have their masks on, and stores were still enforcing wearing masks. as a matter of fact, one place that we went, there were people who tried to walk in without a mask and they said no, you can't come in. they got a little bit angry but they handed them a mask, and guess what, they went in and did their essential shopping. >> let me ask you about something that really caused a lot of eyebrows to go up, that was globe life field in arlington that will allow 100% capacity for the texas rangers home opener next month, that's more than 40,000 people. fans will be required to wear masks. what's your reaction to that? can you even imagine a full ballpark at this point in just a couple of weeks? let me note the houston astros have said we're not doing that, we're going to figure out how many fans to let in but we're not going full throttle, 100%. >> ranger stadium is in my district. when i saw that, i was shocked. look, i know that the virus is not as easily spread in outdoor spaces. but when you're talking about 100% capacity, you're really taking an unnecessary risk. i think that there certainly could have been ways to accommodate people going on opening day, and look, i love opening day, i think there would have been a way to safely do that. i think saying 100% is going too far. we're going to have to pray that people -- you know, that it doesn't become a super spreader event, particularly at a time when we have vaccination rates going up and we have people contracting the virus going down. we need to stay at that trajectory and have it 100% capacity event at that large of a venue is just not good to me. >> let's take a look at the southern border with the biden administration now deploying fema to help with that surge of migrant children. texas governor greg abbott is blaming the president for this situation. take a listen. >> it is the biden open border policies that are inviting even more illegal immigration and actually have created this humanitarian crisis. >> do you want to respond to that? >> again, him just trying to basically play this game where he's going to take attention away from the fact that he really jacked up the storm relief response. the republicans created the problem that is happening at the border. you know, there were programs that were put in place before donald trump became president that allowed migrants that were underage minors to be able to apply for asylum in their own countries. and of course, you know, we need to invest more money in helping to stabilize the central american countries. so people won't have to take that very dangerous journey to our southern border. and that's what we need to be focused on. look, republicans had two years. if you think about it, from january the 20th, 2017, until january the 3rd, 2019, the republicans had a chance to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill that could have dealt with this, and they did absolutely nothing. we voted on nothing on the house floor that would have addressed this problem. and that is why we're having the situation that we are now. it has nothing to do with president biden. >> texas congressman marc veasey, good to see you, thank you so much. talk about undying loyalty. when it comes to the pandemic it appears millions of republicans are willing to risk their very lives in defiance. but of what or whom? 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>> i think a large part is that donald trump was not promoting to get the vaccine. he took his vaccination shot in private, behind closed doors. but moving forward, i think you have to look at a way to find good validaters for these people. and it seems right now that health professionals, community health professionals, will be the most likely to contribute to an increased vaccination among this group. they really need to get out there. if it looks political i think they'll stay dug in. maybe if it comes from their doctors, it will make a difference. >> so this week, we had former presidents obama, bush, clinton, carter, and the first ladies, they all came together in this vaccine psa. let's all take a look at this. >> michelle's mom, the hugger, we see her on her birthday. >> i look forward to going to opening day in texas rangers stadium with a full stadium. >> oh, boy. we just had a chat about that, but we'll leave that one for the moment. so donald trump noticeably absent from the group. but why is that? because to susan's point, we learned last week, he and melania secretly got the vaccine in january at the white house before they left. they both suffered from covid. they both got covid and still decided, hey, you know what, we need the vaccine. why not encourage the public to do so as well? >> donald trump spent his entire presidency sowing discord. and having people not believe in our government, not believe in experts. then when the pandemic started, he played it down, he also tried to discredit dr. fauci who had worked for several republican and democratic presidents. and so while i'm frustrated that he didn't do this publicly, i'm not surprised that he continues to gaslight the american people so that his supporters kind of praise him and follow his lead versus actually doing what's best for their community. and so it's actually quite dangerous, and i would say criminal, that he would leave the public this way, in a global pandemic, when he this. 47% have not taken this. it's alarming. that means we're going to be stuck in the house with masks even longer if this continues. >> and trump could easily spin the vaccine as a win out of his administration. he has such influence over his base. he could change a lot of those minds, david. why doesn't he? >> because it would be a larger admission of guilt, of his inability to get his hands around the virus and the outbreak. that is true of all republicans. part of the reason that they ite not telling their base to go out and get the vaccine is because it would be an admission of guilt, of liability, of culpability on behalf of republicans' failure to lead. there's a toxic mix of ignorance and bravado when it comes to republican political leaders. you recall donald trump's entire narrative there was one case and then 15 but it was going to go away. that was about a year ago. then he downplayed the need for masking. obviously he did the vaccine in private. all of this goes to if they give credibility to the cure, they'll be admitting the culpability of the danger that they helped foster through their slow response to the pandemic in the first place. >> susan, do you think it all comes down to donald trump coming out and saying, okay, republicans, go get the vaccine or are there other things republicans will listen to, take influence from there and go get the shot. >> well, it would be very helpful if president trump went out and said go get the shot but he won't because he doesn't care about anybody but himself. he never has, never will. that's who donald trump is. but going back to that idea of finding good validaters for the vaccine such as those in the medical community, i think taking as much politics out of it as possible, even though we're all political operatives on this venue, it's really important to get these people vaccinated. i don't -- for all of us. >> absolutely. that's why they're calling it herd immunity. quickly, guys, i want to look at the backlash that's come the way of senator ron johnson who's going to explain in this clip why he says he didn't feel threatened by the rioters on january 6th. listen up. >> i knew those were people that loved this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law. and so i wasn't concerned. now, had the tables been turned and, joe, this will get me in trouble. had the tables been turned and president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been a little concerned. what do you make of that? >> the frustrating piece of that is when you see -- >> alencia, we're having a little trouble hearing you. >> they are acting as though we are going to harm her. this is hypocrisy, this is gaslighting and extremely dangerous to compare these two. this is how domestic terrorism continues to breed in this country when you are not holding the actors like this accountable. this is white supremacy and function and it is irresponsible for him to compare it that way. >> david, let's quickly listen to senator borasso asked about those comments and his response. >> do you agree with those comments? should he aapologize? >> look what's happened in portland just the other night. these things continue. he's going to speak for himself. you know this, george. you spent time on the hill. every member speaks for themselves and i'll telling you what i believe. >> why is it so hard, david, for republicans to come out and admit when someone says something that is wrong? do you think any republicans will do that? because clearly what senator johnson said is wrong on multiple levels. >> senator barasso failed a very simple test of leadership to condemn discriminatory and racist comments. the comments were disgusting and despicable. he should be ashamed of them and suggests that he is not fit to serve in the united states senate. he should be rightly condemned by all republicans. i think what senator johnson revealed about himself is something for which he can't apologize, for which there is no excuse but it identifies his heart before the people of wisconsin and they have a judgment to make when he stands for re-election again. >> okay. susan del percio, david johnny, alencia johnson, happy sunday to you all. thank you. it is a hopeful sign of life returning to normal and it's coming your way, next. it's coming y our way, next. on gives m america's most reliable network at no extra cost. and more of the entertainment you love like apple music. and the beautiful iphone 12 on us when you buy one. only from verizon. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. 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