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Describes as a hoch is all too real. He greg gutten berg joined or Rachel Maddow last night. If she wants to keep referring to me as a liberal mob, have it it. Im a dad. I remember a day in this country not long ago where two parties maybe disagreed on policy and they would argue things out, but they didnt disagree on facts. They didnt disagree on working for the American People. This party today gave up on that. It is shocking. So if they want to keep her around, if they want to continue to give her this platform, it only hurts the bigger party. What this means, 199 republicans care more about the qanon vote than victims of mass School Shootings. Today Marjorie Taylor greene stated as much, declaring the Party Takeover officially complete, as if that wasnt already clear, telling reporters explicitly, quote the party is his, Donald Trumps. It doesnt belong to anyone else. That statementunder scores the warnings from republican senator ben sasse last night in a too little too late Screed Throwing in against the personality thats engulfed his own party. Lets be clear the the anger in the state party has never been about any violating principles or abandoning conserve policy. Im one of the most conservative voters in the senate. The anger has always been simply about me not bending the knee to one guy. Something has definitely changed over the last four years, but its not me. Personality cults arent conservative. Conspiracy theories arent conservative. Lying that an election has been stolen, its not conservative. Acting like politics is a religion, it isnt conservative. You are welcome to censure me again, but lets be clear about why this is happening. Its because i still believe, as you used to, that politics isnt about the weird worship of one dude. The party could purge trump skeptics, but id like to convince you that not only is that civic cancer for the nation, its just terrible for our party. The Qanon Takeover Of The Gop is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Jake sherman is back. Also joining us charlie sykes, and alicia menendez. Jake, i want to start with you. Whats so amazing to me is that those of us who cover this and ben sasse is right, its not a shift to the right. Its an up down things,ist a descent into Conspiracy Theories and the power appeared grip of the qanon vote. I feel like this was a mistake in the way we waited with bated breath to see how it turned out. All but ten republicans voted to save her reend. We thought it would be between zero and seven, the only reason it was so many is a bunch of florida republicans, who were not expected to vote with the democrats, did vote with the democrats. There was no suspension. The thing is this theyre arguing this is not about what she said, but about an institutional concern, and nancy pelosi and steny hoyer reported that as well, if were setting a new precedent, maybe we should set a new precedent that somebody who jokes about murdering the democratic leadership should not have committee seats. This is not going away, nicolle, because its not just Marjorie Taylor greene who says things that are outside of the mainstream not of conservatism, you know this well, nicolle, its not outside the mainstream of the Republican Party, but its outside the mainstream of society, right . These are not things that are not only not acceptable on capitol hill, but if earp to walk into many places in normal society and say you want to murder, you know, a leader of a business or a speaker of the house, or sympathize with those comments, thats bizarre behavior that should be repudiated anywhere. I think Kevin Mccarthy has a challenge going forward, but its not only going to be Marjorie Taylor greene. Theres a bunch of other members who in the past have said things. Were having an argument over whether members of congress should be permitted to bring firearms onto the house floor. The things up here im in the capitol now have taken a turn for the bizarre and dangerous in a way weve all been involved in politics a long time. Were talking about bringing firearms onto the house floor and wondering why there needs to be Metal Detectors. So things have really gotten off the rails. Its Worth Fleshing out something you just said, though, jake sherman. Shes not in the position shes in because shes too far right. Shes in the Position Baas they endorsed political assassinations. Now, i believe people have been charged and prosecuted for that crime when they said those kinds of things about the last president. I believe it is a crime if you make the kinds of threats that she endorsed for former president obama, Hillary Clinton and nancy pelosi. Where does the comfort come from, to be okay with the violence piece in that building that, as you said, is still a crime scene and still so fraught and taut that theres tension about whether or not members should be able to carry guns on the floor . If you talk and im not going to endorse this point of view, just report it here. What Republican Leadership says, is there needs to be a line. If we could hold people to account for comments that they made before they came to congress, you could think of that what you want. I think thats a Blanket Statement that doesnt hold value to me, but thats what they say. We could hold Everybody Accountable for things they said before voters rendered their judgment. If they say it while theyre here, well take care of it. Well punish them. January 6th changed everything for everyone up here, including reporters, including members of congress. I mean, our workplace, the capitol was sacked by a bunch of Trump Supporters who were violent Trump Supporters, and i think that i had a member tell me, every time they look at Marjorie Taylor greene, they think of that day and the danger that Trump Supporters brought to the capitol. Charlie sykes, i want to put up the names of the 11 republicans lawyers i misspoke, i said ten as jake said, a lot of them come from florida, who know all too quell the Parkland Shooting was real. Adam kinzinger is an outspoken, did you its an undistinguished group because of its size. Where do we go from here . Whats next . Well, i mean, the number is so significant, you have 11 republicans willing to remove Marjorie Taylor greene from her committees, you know, despite her calls for violence, et cetera. The night before, 61 republicans vote to do remove liz cheney for taking a principled stand on impeachment. You know, i am really struck by the political malpractice by Kevin Mccarthy who has managed to elevate Marjorie Taylor greene as the face of the Republican Party. If he had any sense whatsoever of political hygiene, republicans could have taken this on their own. You remember, it was just two years ago that republicans stripped steve king of his seats on the judiciary and agriculture committees because of bigoted comments he made. Flash forward, flonl do they not do to Marjorie Taylor greene what they did to steve king, but they allowed this vote where 199 republicans now are on record say, yeah, were okay with this person being our partys representative. Look, this is something that the republicans could have done themselves. They could have cleaned house. A lot of these republicans will go back to the district saying we didnt want to set a precedent. The question that should be asked, why didnt you fix it yourself . This has just backfired on them so predictably. Shes just rubbing it in their faces, and republicans could have sent the message that this is not who we are, but instead last night, because of that vote and the unwillingness for Kevin Mccarthy to pull the trigger, because of that vote, theyre saying, yeah, Marjorie Taylor greene is a member in Good Standing of the Republican Party. Remember that when each of those 199 republicans are on the ballot next year. I want to read you something that conservative republican senator kevin cramer wrote in an oped what her repugnant comments can teach us all, greenes comments have been characterized as far right. Theyre not. Theyre not based on an extremely conservative ideology. Theyre horrifying and completely untethered to reality. Congresswoman greenes remarks are not conservative and allowing them to stand without consequence is unacceptable. The people of georgia should closely consider whether she should continue representing them. They comments and the controversy offer a rare moment when anger is justified and action should be taken. Thats not always the case. I understand what hes trying to say here, charlie, but i have to say, as somebody who worked in republican politics my whole life, the left was right about everything. Im part of it. Im not blaming anybody. The left, which has been covered and people tried to brand them as the radical left, theyve been right about anything. Any attempt to say there were two sides here is dead wrong. The republicans is greenlit the Conspiracy Theorists in their rank by a vote of 19911, end of story. The larger picture here, though, if youre upset about bigotry and Conspiracy Theories, how do you explain the fact that the Republican Party, including senator cramer, supported donald trump, and he was the Conspiracy Theorist in chief. And probably will next week. Thats right. As were talking here right now, it is less than a month since a Conspiracy Theory and a lie led to the insurrection at the capitol. Donald trumps lie, which had been tolerated and rationalized for all of those years resulted in what hammond on january 6th. They are not harmless. The failure of republicans to draw a line, to push back, you know, came home to roost, and yet they have learned absolutely nothing from it. But if i can push back here a bit. Some republicans, maybe its to say, look, we are not all Marjorie Taylor greene. There were at least ten who voled to impeach President Trump, if theres any hope for the Republican Party at all, and im very, very skeptical about that, its going to be people lie ben sasse doing that video, speaking to his constituents and saying, look, we cant do this. We cant go for the crazy. We cant become a cult of personality. The country needs to hear from other republicans saying, okay, thats not what we signed up for, thats not who we are. Unfortunately, because of the that vote last night, thats a hard case to make, because thats who they were last night. Let me push right back at you on this point. I love what ben sasse said, but why didnt he rally Mitch Mcconnell to his cause two years ago . Its too little too late. He enacted some of the most cruel and least conservative policies orb country has ever seen, and those people like ben sasse, chris christie, rushing to decontaminate themselves, where were they . They could have stopped him. If Mitch Mcconnell said i will not confirm another judge until you stop the b. S. There are so many offramps, and they took none of them. Ben sasse broke our hearts many times. He went into hiding before he got reelected. But you know, heres the thing, nicolle. Right now, in order to save this country, we are going to need people to see the light. We are going to have to welcome people who in fact are late to the table, because i hear you. Look, next week we want to have senators who look at the evidence and will go, you know what . I made a mistake by going along with this guy. I have changed my mind. You know, we ought to say, welcome to the team of putting country over party, as opposed to saying its too late, who cares what you think . Thats their calculation. Their calculation is you could do the right thing and ill bet beaten up. Ben sasse could have done more, so could a lot of people, but right now going forward, we need every principled voice saying the bigotry, the Conspiracy Theories, the crazy, we need to draw a line and reject it. We need to make a coalition, including a coalition of some converts. Along those lines, another group that cares about republicans doing the right thing still is the republican accountability project. Alicia, this is their ad to try to get senator mcconnell to do the right thing. This election was stolen. Stolen, stolen. Fraud. Fraud. Corrupt. Were going to the capitol to make your voices heard. You will never take back the country with weakness. Announcer senator mcconnell, donald trump incited an attack on the capitol. Its up to you to convict and disqualify him. Do you think that will work . No, but i do think there are Republican Voters who are watching, who are reminded of the horrors of what happened on january 6th. Hopefully for whom it underlines the sheer morality, questions of this moment. You know, nicolle. I go back to the signed you were using earlier of fred guttenberg, thinking of those families from parkland, from new town, who have through through the most unimaginable trauma possible, and it was bad enough when they were dealing with hoaxters considered fringe, they are now inside the u. S. Government. How do you measure the emotional costs of being asked to litigate and relitigate the truth of the murder of your child . Thats actually what is happening here. When you talk to a lot of these families, theyre incredibly frustrated about the fact these hoaxters who have been out there for years, have been treated as oddities, strange quirks, when they families were trying to tell us just how dangerous they were. So that is sort of the core question that is there at this moment. This isnt just about raw politics. This is about a real, emotional cost that is being felt in communities right now. Along those lines, alicia, i want to show you the emotional cost of the insurrection and having someone who cheered on the people responsible for it. Lets watch the democrats from last night. Todays Republican Party, Marjorie Taylor greenes world views are violent, antiblack, islam ophobic, antisemitic, and theyre condoned. Every single day that goes by without outright condemnation, without consequences for her extremist views is an outright endorsement of white supremacy. No parent should ever have to invite a member of congress to visit their childs grave or touch the bulletridden clothing that their child wore to prove that their death actually happened. I vote for the babies who left for school eight years ago and never returned home, and the teachers who died trying to protect them. I stand here to tell you, i will stand up to bullies, bullies who threaten students and threaten and celebrate the violence towards our speaker, and our colleagues. Conspiracy theories and outrageous lies have no place in the congress, no place in the peoples house, no place, no place. You know, jake said its become a bizarre place. Its become sociopathic if it cant understand why theres raw emotion around the threat of violence and denial of some of the most Horrific School shootings in our countrys history. Especially now since theyll see the actualization of the violence. Communities have been rocked, especially laid bare in the past few years. And these families, its bad enough to have one person in congress saying these lies. Its another whole thing to Hav Party Circle Wagons around them. My question is, how do you go to voters saying youre upholding some sense of normalcy, some sense of morality, when youre not wilts to call out your own members. It is important for this moment, but its also important for the historical record that this is all captured, what happened on january 6th is captured, and we as a nation never forget what happened. Jake, is it just compartmentalization that allow s some folks to not acknowledge the anger and hurt thats caused by some of the greenes beliefs and comments . I would say thats probably right. I think that people, frankly im struggle to for words here. Im not a psychologist, but i do think think that people think i dont know. I wish i had a better answer for you. I dont know is a good answer these days. These views are so bizarre. Sometimes its worth just stepping back for a second and thinking about what qanon theory is, that these are crazy things. These are not normal things. I mean, the biggest problem, nicolle, is that not only in the immediate, but Marjorie Taylor greene will go out and raise 100,000 a day for the foreseeable future and shes going to go back and win her Congressional District in North Georgia by 40 points. Since the party committee, the National Republicans Congressional Committee doesnt get involved in primaries, they cant even get rid of her if they wanted to. This is a long problem, but it used to have lower consequences. It used to be a lot cheap earp. Now its dangerous. This is somebody who espoused dangerous, dangerous views. Everybody realizes that, but they know theres basically nothing they can do to stop it or getry of her. Thank you. When we come back, days from the start of the next Impeachment Trial, democrats are grappling with whether or not to subpoena the former president. Well talk more about that. And as the republican tear themselves apart, President Biden and the democrats are pushing ahead with sweeping legislation to help a suffering nation. And people are very happy with what hes doing, based on polling. The pandemic has hit just about everyone. A new project shining a spotlight on mothers, examining the realities of that struggle. All those stories and more when deadline white house returns after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Returns after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Its the easiest because its the cheesiest. Kraft. For the win win. Some say this is my greatest challenge ever. But ive seen centuries of this. With a companion that powers a digital world, traded with a touch. The gold standard, so to speak ; with just days to go before the second impeachment, the house Impeachment Managers have an important question should they serve trump with a subpoena and compel them to testify . Democrats who have to sign off on that subpoena, have mixed feelings. I think its a terrible idea. If they said President Trump to come and testify, then i think thats exactly what he should do. Do you think that would be a good idea . Boy, that would be a dogandpony show. New york times reports that there could be an up side for his refusal to testify. His silence also allows the House Managers to telling senators sitting in judgment they at least gave trump an opportunity to have his say. More important, they quickly claims that his refusal established an adverse inference supporting his guilt. Were also learning new details about the defense strategy. Bruce castor tells nbc news, that they will focus on that its unconstitutionality to impeach him after hes out of office. We have a Law Professor from georgetown university, and charlie and alicia are still here. Or subpoena inperson spongeses to questions. I remember it got wrapped around all sorts of legal problems. Are some of those erased by the fact hes an expresident , a private citizen now . I do think so. The invocation of Executive Privilege and things like that is different when youre dealing with a former official. I think the story line is predictably, unfortunately, the same, that donald trump is refusing to testified. Hes quite frankly a scaredy cat. If you or i were accused of Something Like fomenting january 6th, we would do Everything Possible to clear our name. Not this guy. If i were twitter, maybe instead of suspending his account, you have to testify, you have to post under oath. That would have shut him up quickly, too. The whole episode is good for the House Managers. They have given former President Trump a chance to tell his story and hes just shown himself to be afraid. This is the only time i wanted donald trump to actually speak. Instead, hes silent and spends his time like spending his imdb page to the s. A. G. Offices its a joke, but seriously, he tries to clear hi name with s. A. G. , but he has an Impeachment Trial, and hes scared to be under oath. Also, it seems that his lawyers know hes guilty of the charge. The Impeachment Article is simple and is just one. Hes guilty of inciting the insurrection. Donald trump held a radiologically to incite what happened next. He said, quote, i will go with you. So none of the facts are in question, and it seems to me that the democrats have a good argument both and because this isnt a criminal trial where, if found guilty, you go to jail. Its only a political process, that for the public to infer guilt and intent to do exactly what happened is not really a stretch. Absolutely 100 . Thats why trumps lawyers, instead of the facts, are trying to put everybody on this one claim, which is that you cant impeach a former president under our constitution. Thats wrong just on the merits for many reasons said by mcconnell motte Mitch Mcconnell, but judge michael mcconnell, who said this impeachment started while he was president , and he says its undoubtedly constitutional, but nicolle, you say its a political problem and our founders said we gave this to congress, not a court of law, because our representatives and senator are popularly accountable. About this claim about not impeaching a former president , its a dodge around having the senators actually vote on the ultimate question did trump do it or not . I think trumps lawyers have miscalculated. There are ways for the senate to force an answer on that question. For example, in normal courts, we have something called the special verdict form, in which you split the question into two. Here the House Managers can split the question for the senate to decide into two. They can ask first, is it okay to impeach a former official . And second, separate question, that the senators are to act, did President Trump incite january 6th . There are things next week that can happen that i think trumps lawyers havent really figured out yet. I think this is the third or fourth legal team, so they may still be getting up to speed. Charlie, i want to read you something that politico reports trumps allies are afraid of they are imploring his Impeachment Team to avoid one specific topic when they defend trump next week. The deadly riot that unfolded at the capitol. Some of his most arened supporters through the trial could further damage his reputation if his attorneys weighed into the events of january 6th after protrump demonstrators stormed the hall of congress. What . Thats what this is about. I dont even understand the background quotes. Good luck with that strategy. Thats what the trial is about. Yes, he will suffer reputational damage, because he deserves to. The fact is theres no way to avoid this. I think at this point it will be interesting to watch how they present the case, their use of the video. This makes this different than almost every other case that we talked about. There were the pictures. We all saw it. You can create a timeline. You have trump tweets, including the one tweet he put out about 6 00 that night after all of the violence, saying this is what you get when you tro i to steal elections from Great American patriots. Go home in peace and remember this day. That does go to what he was thinking and doing. Im not going to address the legal issues coming after neal katyan, but not only is a president afraid to testify under oath, because thats a scary place for donald trump, whose such a chronic liar, but he hasnt said anything really about all of this. You know, you would think in one venue or another, he would find some way to make his case, to state his point of view, and here is someone look, he doesnt have twitter, but theres other venues, i would assume, yet three weeks of almost complete silence from donald trump, as if he knows how much danger hes in and does not know how to address it. Its been blissful. Neal, charlie, thank you so much. Alicia is sticking around. Still to come for us, President Biden making it clear today that americans are in what he describes as enormous pain. New polls shows a majority of the country has confidence in President Bidens ability to fix it. Our guests continue on that topic, next. Our guests continue on that topic, next. This is what Community Looks like. Caring for each other, protecting each other. And as the Covid Vaccine rolls out, well be ready to administer it. With Unitedhealthcare Medicare advantage plans, theres more to take advantage of. Stay active with free home workout videos here. And a free Gym Membership there. Wow, uhhuh Unitedhealthcare Medicare advantage plans. Take advantage everywhere. Wow. Every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, Delicious Fage total yogurt. President joe bidens job Approval Rating now sits at 61 . According to the latest a. P. Polling, a number never achieved business his press saysor. It comes as he moves forward with his agenda, rolling back a number of trumpera policies. President biden explaining today about why hes pushing so hard on his nearly 2 trillion relief bill. Some in congress think we have already done enough to deal with the crisis in the country. Others think that things are Getting Better and we can afford to sit back, neither do little or nothing at all. Thats not what i see. I see enormous pain in this country. A lot of folks out of work, a lot of folks going hungry, Staring Tess Ceiling tonight wondering what im going to do tomorrow. A lot of folks trying to figure out how to keep their jobs and take care of their children. A lot of folks reaching the breaking point. President biden met today with House Democrats who are aiming to have the covid relief bill passed and sent to the senate in two weeks. Eli stokele writes today in Los Angeles Times about how the gop civil war is helping democrats chief their agenda. The striking dichotomy between two parties, one eager to have sweeping relief. Others consume other debates on Conspiracy Theories and loyalty to the bombastic former president has become a feature of the few weeks. Joining our consideration, our friend the Reverend Al Sharpton and alicia is still here. I want to put up the crosstabs in these polls. The Approval Rating for the covid relief, 68 of americans support the covid relief bill in the current form. 63 support rejoining the paris agreement. 57 support the reversal of trumps travel back. And 54 support halting border wall construction. This is real public support for the specifics of the Biden White House agenda. Absolutely. It shows solid support. These figures dont show just some kind of marginal majority. Youre dealing with in most of these issues almost two thirds of those polled. This is clearly what these people want to see. This is a direction that they voted for, and i think that the republicans, some of which still seem to be addicted to trumpism, are misreading the political wins and in many ways are putting their own political career in real jeopardy, because what theyre standing for now is just has no support, according to polls and according to sentiment all over this country. Alicia, i want to drill down on the 68 of the covid Relief Package. Theres constephenation i think even in the Democratic Party about its size. There is no wavering though among the public. Nearly 70 of all americans like and believe they need what is being promised to them. My question is about republican support, a lot of the reporting suggests there wont be much. President biden remains convinced there will be. It feels like with 68 of the public behind it, it would be political malpractice not to get behind money for vaccines, money for stimulus, money for the exact specific sort of tagged things that people are crying out for. You know, i think its interesting that ron klain has made the argument they started defining bipartisanship of voters supporting something as this as defined by members of both parties in the house or senate supporting Something Like this. I think democrats will take the ball and run with this. If congress did not learn the lesson of the last recession, then perhaps the American People have that a package needs to be large enough, ambitious enough to actually meet the moment. Most persons are going to be evaluating this by whether or not they feel it in their lives. When they get that shot, whether or not theyre able to get a test when they need it. Whether or not theyre able to get the vaccine when they need it, whether or not they feel the president is getting this virus under control, and with it you begin to see some of the economy come back online. All of that is real for people. There was something that Marjorie Taylor greene said yesterday in her apology nonapology, which was i had this idea Something Like washington didnt know how to work for me, or government didnt know how to deliver. Thats what they populists feed on, this idea that government is ineffective, so i think party of the stakes for joe biden, really for everyone, is whether or not youre going to continue with that mythology, if youre going to continue with this idea that government is ineffective, is broken, cant deliver for you. If they can get checks to americans, if they can start to get the virus until control, then they are beginning to turn the tide on that narrative. Something that i thought about when i saw they polls at 6 00 this morning on morning joe, rev, that joe bidens years in politics has told him to stay on topic. Hes not playing an inside game. He stayed out of the filibuster. He stayed out of Mitch Mcconnell hanging on to power. Hes focused on Public Opinion behind the initiatives. All white houses get knocked off their game, but theyre very much running their own race, at least at this point, two weeks in. Yes, washington has given them the advantage of focus, but lets not forget when we had the recession in 2008, he was the Vice President coming in with barack obama in 2009. So he saw and really practiced as the copilot of that time how you have to stay focused, which is how they dealt with the recession at that time. I was one that had access to watching some of that up close. Thats one of the things that even former appointment president obama recounts in his book. They knew at the end much the day no matter what they did in the culture wars, they had to bring the economy back. He knows if he doesnt resolve this pandemic and the economy, it wont party if he wins some of the Culture Fights on the sidelines. The rev and alicia are sticking around. Up next how the toll of last year is affecting women disproportionately across the country, how the coronavirus is pushing them to their limits. Well bring you brandnew Reporting Next. Well bring you brandnew Reporting Next some say this is my greatest challenge ever. But ive seen centuries of this. With a companion that powers a digital world, traded with a touch. The gold standard, so to speak ; these are real people, not actors, whove got their eczema under control. With less eczema, you can show more skin. So roll up those sleeves. And help heal your skin from within with dupixent. 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Joining us now, msnbc medical contributor dr. Bedelia, the rev, and alicia with are still here. I read this when i came down for Remote School with my son and cried. Its heartbreaking. Some have hoped this could be a galvanizing moment for mothers, the moment it became clear our system and politicians have completely abandoned working parents. Thats jessica lee, a senior attorney at the center for Work Life Law at the university of california. But who really has the energy to be angry or even to advocate for change when theyre just trying to get through the day. Alicia, we have so many advantages. I hate complaining about this moment but there is this universal feeling of incad quasi. Im an inadequate teacher because teaching is one of the highest professions and expertises and its not mine. I feel inadequate at work because when i should be working im struggling through a school day and there is this universal struggle, i think, and i think the times piece documents whats really happening in a way not many people have. No, im failing all the time at everything and every time im not on mute, i have a kid asking me to wipe their butt. That goes on and on in the background. I think weve talked a lot for very good reason about the ways in which this has affected working class women. They have been hit so, so hard by this pandemic, especially black women, especially latina women, and then when you zoom out even further there is all of this that is so hard to measure, right, nicole . That its almost impossible to quantify. I shared one of these stories on my instagram, and i had a friend dm me and said, i stand every day in the shower and i cry because i dont want my family to know how scared i am about whether or not ill ever work again. And so you have women protecting their families from this virus, protecting their families from the economic fallout from this virus, and then protecting their families from the reality of their own grief. Its all too much, and for too long, we have gas lit women into believing that they could find individual solutions to these systemwide problems and if this moment has taught us anything, its that we have to contend with paid family leave. We have to contend with pay equity and if we dont, were going to have an entire generation of upward mobility for women just absolutely wiped out of history. And you know, alicia and i are the lucky ones, doctor. We have all the advantages, structurally, and we have the blessings of these incredible jobs. We have the blessing of being able to work from home. Some of the women here are dealing with literally keeping covid out of their homes because theyre afraid that their partners or they will bring them back home. It is an impossible undertaking, and i know, doctor, youre pessimistic about the timeline on any return to normal, but do you think there should be any consideration to sort of vaccinating people who are on the edge like these women in this story ahead of other people . So, nicole, in this dynamic plays out in so many outbreaks that i have been part of, and you know, in addition to what alicia outlined are part of what women do in the household, theyre also caretakers when someone gets sick. They make up a huge part of the healthcare force, the professional healthcare force. I am, you know, i am pessimistic on when we might achieve the Herd Immunity but im very optimistic in the medium term. Im pessimistic about the next couple of months as we have so many people who are vulnerable, who havent been vaccinated and thus leading to the majority of hospitalizations but because its friday, im going to start with something thats optimistic. You know, when you look at a country like israel thats vaccinated about 80 of their patients over 60, what theyve seen is 46 drop in hospitalizations since january, and so after we get over this hurdle of making this vaccine available, were hopefully going to see the biggest change. You know, normalcy return to normalcy is not monolithic. Its almost like a spectrum, and the worst part of what this makes this time difficult for us is the illness, the deaths, and weve had thousands of people dying, you know, daily. This is the normal that weve gotten used to. Thats whats going to get better first, i think, as we get more people, you know, who are vulnerable vaccinated and as we move out of the as we get to, i think, vaccinating teachers. You might see we make schools safer and we might actually return to inperson schooling before the end of the term. Thats going to return some normalcy to women who are working as well. There was a report last summer that said one out of four women who are unemployed or no longer have a job, its because they did not have access to child care, and so hopefully, that is going to change in the next six months or so, fingers crossed. You know, rev, i dont want to jinx anything by getting ahead to the damage assessment, but i just i keep thinking about the role of teaching our kids at home, and there are so many disadvantages if youre not tech savvy, if you dont have, not just good wifi but great wifi. Athome school is basically streaming all day. I mean, how do we go about the business of catching up the students and the families who have been left behind . That is going to be something that is going to be an awesome task that is going to have to be met because you have those that have to play catchup that have had disadvantages, and then you have those that are in broadband desert areas that had no wifi at all, so youre already in many black and brown communities, in schools that were ill equipped and then youre already behind. Now theyre losing a year because some of them are in homes that they couldnt go online and do education, so how do you do two years of makeup . Some of them coming from families that are a oneparent home. I mean, the fact that were going to be that far behind in and of itself is going to be a yeomans task but were going to have to rise to the occasion and single mothers have always done it. I know, because i had one. Yeah. Dr. Bhadela the rev al sharpton, alicia, thank you so much for being part of that conversation. The next hour of deadline white house starts after a quick break for us. Dont go anywhere. We really are just getting started. Started. Some say this is my greatest challenge ever. But ive seen centuries of this. With a companion that powers a digital world, traded with a touch. The gold standard, so to speak ; never run dry of. Killer attitude. Or hydration. Neutrogena® hydro boost. The 1 Hyaluronic Acid Moisturizer delivers 2x the hydration for supple, bouncy skin. Neutrogena®. On my very first day of orientation, i got my first death threat. It was a serious one. They took me aside. The fbi had to go to the gentlemans home. I didnt even get sworn in yet, and someone wanted me dead for just existing. More came later, uglier, more violent, another mentioning my dear son, adam. Mentioning him by name. Each one paralyzed me each time. So, what happened on january 6th, all i could do was thank allah that i wasnt here. I felt overwhelming relief and i felt bad for alexandria and so many of my colleagues that were here but as i saw it, i thought to myself, thank god im not there. So i urge my colleagues to please, please take what happened on january 6th seriously. It will lead to more death, and we can do better. We must do better. Hi again, everyone. Its 5 00 in the east. Members of Congress Speaking in raw and unvarnished terms about january 6th, afraid that they would die at their place of work for simply fulfilling their duty to certify the electoral vote count. Its that fear in the face of violence incited by trump that the House Managers will showcase in trumps second Impeachment Trial next week as evidence that the man who incited this act, this insurrection against the United States, must be held accountable to ensure the safety of everyone who works in the capitol. In the wake of the vote yesterday, where all by 11 republicans either signalled agreement with Marjorie Taylor greene or tolerance of it, is the new norm in american political discourse showing the world that there are consequences for inciting the january 6th attacks becomes all the more urgent. Especially as the investigation into the attack sheds new light on the preparation and organization on the part of rightwing militias for the insurrection. New york times is out with new reporting about the large role the proud boys played in coordinating the siege. The same group the president Resisted Condemning and told to, quote, stand back and stand by, the same group one of our closest allies, canada, december designated as a terrorist organization earlier this week. Today marks one year since trump was acquitted in his first Impeachment Trial and the managers this time around are working to make sure his second is not a repeat. House leaders have been calling for testimony from a range of eyewitnesses to the insurrection, including Police Officers who were injured as they fended off rioters while lawmakers barricaded themselves in various rooms inside the capitol complex. Their goal, to force republicans to remember the terror and violence of that day before they vote to acquit as the majority of them have indicated they will do. The attack left four rioters and one Capitol Police officer dead. Two other officers subsequently took their lives. But the timing of the trial is a major consideration and a stream of witnesses could prolong the proceedings. The Impeachment Managers also keeping in mind that the jurors in this trial, the members of the senate, experienced the alleged crime firsthand, so the events that played out on live tv could speak for themselves. The post adding this, House Democrats have spent a great deal of time and hired an outside law firm to pull together a Video Compilation of everything that unfolded january 6th, including trumps remarks at his Save America Rally on the ellipse. The responses from his supporters in the crowd, their march down pennsylvania avenue, and their violent and frenzies invasion of the capitol itself. The one testimony the managers have formally requested so far, that of donald trump, was denied yesterday when trumps lawyers said he will not testify, nor submit a written statement. Lead house manager, congressman jaime raskin responded this way. Despite his lawyers rhetoric, any official accused of inciting armed violence against the government of the United States should welcome the chance to testify openly and honestly. We will prove at trial that trumps conduct was indefensible. His immediate refusal to testify speaks volumes and plainly establishes an adverse inference supporting his guilt. The case against donald trump taking shape is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends and new friends, Washington Post contributing columnist and msnbc political analyst, former congresswoman Donna Edwards is back. Also joining us, John Heilemann, nbc news and msnbc National Affairs analyst, host and Executive Producer of showtimes the circus and host of the Hell And High Water podcast and josh dossy is here, Washington Post white house reporter, whose byline is on all that post reporting we quoted from. Do you think it is a foregone conclusion that there is zero consideration being given by donald trump to appearing on roadblock Television Coverage in this country and around the world in his own trial . Well, weve certainly been told that. Weve been told that the president has been convinced by his advisors, jason miller, his lawyers and others, that the republicans will stand with him and will vote not to convict, and that there are only four or five wobbly republicans who they are afraid will vote to convict and they dont see his testimony as helping. The democrats, you know, argument, as we indicate in the story, will be, you know, a multimedia, it will be very aggressive. It will be, you know, very detailed. There will be lots and lots of Video Footage and lots of compelling evidence and the president s team is not really planning to do a similar analogous argument on the flip side. They are planning to say that this is an unconstitutional proceeding and that the president did not really want those people to go to the capitol, at least thats what theyre planning to argue, and they want to keep the trial short and perfunctory. So, well see what happens, but if you talk to the president s team right now, they are not preparing an aggressive, you know, multiday, detailed defense that is comparable to the democrat house Impeachment Managers. And John Heilemann, it seems that plan may hit a road bump when donald trump sees all the evidence against him play out on live tv, and we know hell be watching. He live tweeted the last Impeachment Trial, and was almost calling the plays from his twitter feed in the oval office. He will have the same impulses. He wont have the same outlets, but the notion that every time they play his speech, every time they show his 6 00 p. M. Tweet where he basically claims victory and says, this was deserved, this is what happens when great patriots have something stolen from them, if no one defends any of that context, do you really think the strategy will simply remain to argue constitutionality . Well, i dont know. Hi, nicole. I dont know. Hi. What the strategy will end up being and hi. I have zero doubt that josh doszy and his colleagues are right about where the reporting stands right now. Its my understanding that thats exactly accurate, that the president has been convinced not to appear and that that is the strategy that they are pursuing and they see his appearance not only as not helpful but potentially harmful. On the other hand, we know donald trump. And so, is your question, which was, is there does donald trump giving any consideration to appearing . Donald trump is desperate to appear. Hes Nathan Jessup in a few good men. He wants to get in there. Of course he ordered the code red, nicole. He ordered the he wanted to see those he knows he wanted to see the march on the capitol, and he wants to tell us all that he want ed to see the march on the capitol, these people were doing exactly what he wanted, and so hes constrained by his lawyers. Hes constrained by common sense. He right now is sticking hes agreeing to abide by a strategy by which he does not testify, but he desperately wants to testify, and he is going to at every moment of this trial be theyre going to have to tie him down with leg irons and restraints to keep him from wanting to get on a plane and get up to washington, d. C. , or to get in front of a satellite hookup and be on air, because donald trump believes more than anything else, he believes in himself, and in his ability to persuade anyone of anything, and that he is always in the right, so its going to be how we end up, i dont know. But do i think every day is going to be every hour, every minute is going to be a constant struggle to keep donald trump from testifying . I do. I think his lawyers are praying that they can keep him from doing what he desperately wants to do, which is get in there and defend himself. Donna, i dont want to stray too far from where we started, and thats the fear that every reporter that is up at the hill every day has described, every member i have interviewed on this show since the insurrection has admitted feeling, on that day and since, and having served in that body, i mean, can you just talk about what its like up there right now . Well, you know, when i listen to the statements that were made by Congresswoman Tlaib and others about what they were feeling, i cant help but go back to my days as a crisis counselor where, you know, people are expressing the trauma that they felt that day but also, keep in mind, nicole, these people have to show up at work, at their workplace that was violated every single day, and relive that trauma, and you could hear that. And this is why i think that the strategy that the Impeachment Managers are planning to use next week is going to look at Donald Trumps words and actions before, during, and afterwards of the on january 6th, and i think its going to be very effective because those senators, those jurors also experienced that trauma, and they will have to relive it by seeing all of that on full display throughout the trial. Josh, i want to read you the actual tweet that i just referenced, and our friend, amanda carpenter, tweeted this out, and i think focused attention back on it. She writes this about it. Read this carefully. He tweeted this at 6 00 p. M. The night of the insurrection. After the violence was over. After his pathetic video. Its celebratory. These are the words of amanda carpenter. This is trumps tweet. These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been battling and enfairly treated for so long. Go home with love and peace. Remember this day forever. I dont know how much more evidence you need to present to show that after the fact, not only was he not sorry, he basically said, you got what you deserved and he repeated the lie for which hes been impeached, the lie that incited the insurrection. Is there any discomfort that they might not come out of this unscathed . If you talk to folks who work for him and even some of his closest allies on the hill, nicole, what they say was that tweet was one of the worst things if not the worst thing he did that day and even those who try to defend him and say, maybe he wanted them to march on the capitol but not invade the building, not to be so violent that way, say in the aftermath, what disturbs them the most is that the president did not rush to tell his folks to get out of the building via video. His first tweet was, we love you. Several of his advisors described to us, watching this scene, and someone enjoying it, appreciating that they were fighting for him. Were going to work on joshs audio. John heilemann, i want to come to you on part of trumps defense, which is going to be this is the response from his lawyer to congressman raskin. He said, it is denied that the phrase, quote, if you dont fight like hell youre not going to have a country anymore had anything to do with the action at the capitol. It was clearly about the need to fight for, wait for it, Election Security in general. Donald trump in the two and a half months after the election never gave a speech about Election Security in general. There were no speeches. There was nothing. And donald trump was just a bleeding Stream Of Consciousness for all those weeks after his loss. Yeah. What do you and i know this isnt a real court where you get in trouble for lying if youre a lawyer, but what do you think about taking on this case . I know one of these lawyers has represented mobsters and roger stone, according to the New York Times. I dont know much about the other. But how do you think this will look different from the last impeachment where he was basically defended by white house lawyers and other familiar faces . Oh, i think its going to look its going to look worse than my cousin vinny, nicole. I think the lawyers theres not a respectable lawyer. You can be a very bad person in america and have done very bad things and can find legal representation. There are lawyers who, for money, for television time, will defend the indefensible. I mean, that happens in courts all over the country. They are not the kind of lawyers you want defending yourself. Certainly not the kind of lawyers that an expresident would normally have or the kind that an expresident would normally want. Donald trump doesnt have many options, though, because all of that very irreputable and very highend white shoe lawyers, the people who were around him during the mueller investigation, these people were, whatever you think of them, they came to donald trump with goldplated reputations, just having been members of the d. C. Legal establishment, paragones of it, and again, thats a whole separate discussion that some of those gentlemen got involved with donald trump in that era, but now they are all gone. Anybody with any patina of respectability has left donald trump because they see just exactly how indefensible his conduct was here, and this argument that the lawyer has put forward, this notion that this is about Election Security, is just beyond ludicrous, nicole. We know that part of its not just going to be the video from the day. Were going to hear about the two months of the big lie. We are going to hear about him tweeting out, its going to be wild. Come to washington, d. C. Its going to be wild. The president wasnt talking about Election Security. The president was talking about come here, march on the capitol, and everyone that i know, including our friend, mark mckinnon, who was in that crowd for the circus on the ellipse, said at the end of that speech, it was 100 clear to everyone there that what the president wanted them to do, and they went and did it. And it will take years and years to understand exactly why, but i think what he asked them to do and that he went and did it is beyond dispute. I dont want to get, as i said before, donna, too far away from what happened in the building and how central that will be to the case. So let me play some more of democrats in recent days sharing their stories of january 6th. Some are already demanding that we move on or worse, attempting to minimize, discredit, or belittle the accounts of survivors. In doing so, they not only further harm those who were there that day, and provide cover for those responsible, but they also send a tremendously damaging message to survivors of trauma all across this country. I feel like this was one of the days out there on the streets when the White Supremacists would show up and start shooting at us. I screamed to my colleagues to follow me, to follow me across the aisle to the republican side of the chamber. So that we could blend in. But within moments, i recognized that blending in was not an option available to my colleagues of color. Those who lived through that dangerous day or watched as the capitol was attacked from home are also experiencing Campaign Trauma and to them, i say, what youre feeling is valid, and were here to support you and dont let anybody gaslight or diminish or belittle what happened on january 6th. It was a serious event. Donna, its so striking and i know that there is so much trauma and unprocessed trauma. I wonder, though, why its only democrats speaking out. Because ive seen every bit of video that has come out and there are no republicans roaming the halls bravely, and they shouldnt have been. Im glad that all the republicans were hiding too. But if you were hiding, and if you had furniture pushed up against the door, you were scared too. Why is it only democrats speaking out . You know what, nicole, i dont know how to answer that question, because i think it goes some place where weve been these last several days where we have republicans who also came back to the floor of the house of representatives and voted right along with what donald trump wanted, to not certify these the electors. These are the same republicans who refused to rebuke their colleague who was, like, part of the conspiracy crowd. These are the same group of republicans who really havent held the president to account for the last four years, and the fact that they are now having to live internally with their own trauma and deny it, they are denying their trauma by not coming forward and holding this president to account, and maybe it is that the fear of donald trump is still greater than the fear of the insurrectionists. Unbelievable state of affairs. Josh dawsey, its great to have you on the show. We have spent years highlighting and consuming your reporting. Its great to get to talk to you about some of it. Donna and John Heilemann are sticking around. When we come back, the Republican Partys image problem, if you can call it that, as the democrats push ahead on muchneeded covid relief. The gop is busy sticking up for and standing by Conspiracy Theorists and qanon supporters. Thats ahead. Plus, the financial cost of perpetuating Donald Trumps big lie. Parkland School Shooting survivor david hogg wants to put the my pillow guy out of business. And the promise that vaccines can lead us out of the deadliest phase of the pandemic. New data shows its real and its happening. Deadline white house continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Ontinues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Whats the 1 Retinol Brand used most by dermatologists . Tahdah, its neutrogena® with dermproven retinol, rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1week, Deep Wrinkles in 4. So you can kiss wrinkles, and other wrinkle creams goodbye. 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And its the gop grapples with what it means for a qanon Conspiracy Theorist to become the face of their party, another embarrassing moment for the party just today. Two republican congressmen, andre clyde and louis gohmert, became the first lawmakers to be fined for bypassing the Metal Detectors put in place to protect them after the january 6th insurrection. Donny deutsche, donna and john are still here. Donny, i wonder what you think about republicans attaching themselves willingly to a qanon Conspiracy Theorist. Ladies and gentlemen, this is your 2021 Republican Party, and what a gift it is to the democrats. Of course, theres something called a general election. What 199 of those congressmen and women did the other day, they didnt necessarily vote to not throw her off committees. They endorsed her. Im going to use an ad term. They didnt just endorse mjt. They endorsed saying that you should execute a president , saying that jewish lasers came to set the wildfires, all of the atrocities at parkland didnt happen. This now sticks with them. It is very easy to get a very simpleminded argument. Theres a Reason Companies have spokespeople because its a way to wrap everything up in one package and say, this is what we stand for, this is our brand values and that person becomes the logo and the spokesperson. You have the same formula for the democrats. You have a spokesperson, mgt, wrapped up, these are the values she stands for, this is the party that endorses her, boy, i want to get hired by any democrat thats going to be running in a general election. The way this ends, the way this finally stops the republicans, we have to cycle one more time. They have to lose that midterm bigly, to use our expresident s term, because theyll understand this is just a loser. Its just an absolute loser. The very thing that republicans tried to sting the democrats with, not to compare this woman to aoc, to burn the house down, you handed the gift to the democrats and once again, well see it in the general election. You know, oh, this is a live picture. Let me explain what this is. This will be President Bidens first trip as president , i believe, on marine 1. Thats marine 1 getting ready to land on the south lawn of the white house where it will take President Biden to andrews, joint base andrews, and he will take his first flight aBoard Air Force one as President Biden. He is traveling to delaware for the weekend. Oh, hes landing here at andrews. We missed the departure. We will watch him get off the helicopter. Its a magnificent helicopter, if i could channel my inner brian williams, spent a few flight on there myself with former president bush. He will depart and Board Air Force one en route to delaware. Lets watch. You know, actually, John Heilemann, i know hes been doing this a long time, and i know he was Vice President and had access to all sorts of really cool aircraft, but there is something you just feel so blessed to get to be flown around on these incredible aircraft by the people that have risen to the position to fly you. This is a moment. Yeah. I remember, nicole, back during the obama era, someone in the Obama White House saying that they were talking, towards the end, they were talking to president obama about what he was going to miss about being president , and he said, you know, of all the there are all these perks but he thought he could live without all of them but the thing he was going to most miss was the plane. I dont think thats i dont think hes the only president whos felt that way. That plane is they all do. They all do. Its just you know, there are a lot of nice things that come along with being president , but that plane and being able to travel with that degree of comfort and security and, you know, the ability to communicate, the ability to do everything you can do up in that thing, if youve ever been in it, its quite something. And joe biden had his own version of that, air force two, which is not anything Like Air Force one. I will say its also a nice plane but nothing Like Air Force one. Im sure he is going to you cant imagine what it must feel like to get on there for the first time as the person whose plane it is. It is a thing for sure. And donny, well see if he gets off wearing a mask, but other than that flight aboard marine one to walter reed after being diagnosed with covid, i dont think it was a regular practice of the last White House Team to wear masks when they were in what really is pretty close quarters. Howd that work out for them, by the way . And of course joe biden will be in a mask because joe biden has been doing everything right. You know, while the republicans define themselves, you know, as these wacky qanon people, you have the democrats pushing through a 2 trillion package, business as usual, competency, straightforwardness, empathy, it is a tale of two parties, and you know, just the very nature of him walking out, being president ial, wearing a mask while you have the republicans chasing their tails, acting like idiots, its just a contrast and theres a reason hes in the low 60s in his Approval Rating and hes on the high end of everything hes pushing through, 60 to 70 Approval Ratings as you mentioned earlier in the show. To donnys point, his covid Relief Package has a 68 Approval Rating. Thats a whole lot more than, you know, this is a man who ran for president saying, im a proud democrat, but i will be a president for all americans. Hes got at least a few of them behind his covid Relief Package. Well, he does, and i think its exactly the reason that he really does want to go big, apart from the lessons that he learned in the early years of the obamabiden presidency, but he wants to go big on this. He knows the public is behind it, and hes going to use the bully pulpit in a way that we actually never saw from this last president , and that is to rally and continue to rally the American People behind his legislative agenda, and so you know, hes on good footing here, and i will say, i love watching marine one and Air Force One, because out of my window in my former Congressional District, i can always see marine one dipping down to joint base andrews, like i saw in my the corner of my eye just a little bit ago. Its a good sight. Its such a thrill. Yeah. When you live in d. C. , its such a thrill to look up when they are either practicing or moving the helicopters. Watching them fly above the potomac. John heilemann, i wonder if there are some familiar faces here, when he gets on this plane, there may be some Air Force One stewards who he knows, either from his time as Vice President. This will be his first trip, though. For sure. This will be his first flight as president. Yes, and its a moment to mark, and im sure its true, nicole. One of the things about joe biden thats been always true, when he was Vice President , when he was a member of the senate, and its one of the things i find most, at the human level, in addition to joe bidens empathy, everybody talks about his empty, but its also the case that joe biden is has incredibly gracious towards staff throughout his career in the senate, in the white house when he was Vice President , there was nobody at the lowest ranks of staff in the building always spoke with great warmth about joe biden. That was true up on capitol hill too. He knew the names of the Elevator Operators in the Senate Office buildings and in the capitol. He would know the names of the Capitol Police and often you would if you ever spent time with him in either of those settings in the white house, in the oeob, up on capitol hill, over the course of his career, as i had occasion to, it was always a stunning to me how he would remember the first names and a lot of the family details of people who worked in the service jobs up there, the staff, basically, in those institutions, and i think its almost certain that there will be people on Air Force One that he knows and recognizes and he will know not just their first names but will know the names of their children, know the names of their parents, know the names of their aunts and uncles. He often, with staff, will often ask for them to hand him his cell phone and hell call their parents in their presence and get on he would do that as Vice President all the time, would call up a parent or a spouse or a child on the phone and have a little talk with the persons family member. That is very much in the character of joe biden and i can just imagine that he will greet those people that he recognizes with warmth and they will greet him with enormous warmth to have him back on that plane. You know, donny, as John Heilemann is talking, im thinking about the story of joe biden going to the New York Times editorial board, seeking the New York Times editorial boards endorsement. He did not achieve it but got something more valuable. He became friends with the elevator operator. Im going to get some of the details of this wrong. But she created a video for his convention that was a million times more connective, if you will, than a newspaper endorsement. I mean, john is absolutely right about who he is and how he has lived his life in public. I have to tell you something. Im a big joe biden fan. I didnt know that particular fact or description, and i always think thats the way you judge a person more than anything else. Everybodys nice to the president. Everybodys nice to the ceo, the head of the network. Its how do you treat the wait staff, the person operating the elevator, and that says everything. That makes me feel so good that somebody who i have been so behind and i believe is so right for the tone of this country, and nicole, ive said it on this show before, that type of thing is going to become contagious in this country. I know were living through very, very Tumultuous Times and we still are going to be a very polarized world, but i think coming out of covid, i do think, and ive said this on the show before, that kindness is going to be the new black and i just love hearing john, thanks for sharing that, i didnt know that. That says it all. I dont need to hear anything else about this guy. It is a wonderful detail. Thank you, John Heilemann, for sharing it. I, for one, could stare at that plane forever but were going to sneak in a quick break. Donny, donna and john are all staying put. 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I believe were on a live picture of Air Force One. As it takes off with President Biden on board for the very first time. Getting ready to take off on his maiden journey aBoard Air Force one for a weekend at home in delaware. Short flight. And we have been watching along with John Heilemann, Donna Edwards, and donny deutsche. John . Yeah. Its a very short flight, right . Its one of the nice things about this thing. A guy who took the amtrak train for years and years, often on a daily basis to commute home. Hes now able to really hop up there when he at a moments notice. I cant imagine that planes going to be descending as soon as its going to ascend and descend. Its not going to be at altitude for very long on that flight. You were making a point earlier, nicole, about the popularity of the covid package and how high it is and obviously these numbers in the 60s and 70s, these are numbers that donald trump only ever saw in terms of his disApproval Rating in the course of his entire four years, famously never above 50 with his Approval Rating for the entire presidency, only president in history and often saw Disapproval Numbers up in the 60s. But i think its important just to think about this. I think part of the reason why people ask the question of how campaigning connects to governing. I think its important to understand that part of the reason why this package is so popular is that joe biden spent so much time over the course of the last year ramming into our heads how big and severe this crisis is, and you often wondered whether, like, the realism and how dark he painted the picture about what was coming with the pandemic, whether, you know, a lot of times, politicians are drawn towards optimism. He was often very kind of painting a very grim picture of what we faced but were seeing the payoff for that now because he has told us over and over again for a year how big this challenge is going to be, and i think hes laid the groundwork for the size of the package and hes now reaping the benefits in the popularity of that package of all the work that he did talking incessantly about the scale of this challenge over the course of the last year that covid was so central to his candidacy. Its a good point. If you successfully frame the question, then when you try to answer it, youve got a lot of public support. I want to turn to what hes leaving behind now with all three of you. Its an incredibly toxic washington, which is known for rough fights, but the aftershocks of Donald Trumps big lie and his cronies and allies who helped perpetuate the big lie are finally seeing some real potential financial consequences, multibillion Dollar Lawsuits. You know mike lindell . Hes the pillow guy. Well, hes had his own skirmish with perpetuating the lie on newsmax this week and his week just got worse. Yesterday, Parkland Shooting survivor and gun control advocate david hogg announced plans to launch a, quote, progressive pillow company, one that could put mypillow out of business. Meanwhile, lindell had other worries today. He purchased three hours of air time on oan. His claims are so out there that the network preceded the broadcast with a 90second disclaimer in an apparent attempt to put as much distance between them and lindells false claims as possible. A similar disclaimer aired prior to Rudy Giulianis Radio Show On Wabc yesterday. But apparently, rudy didnt know about the disclaimer beforehand. So heres how rudys broadcast started, reacting to the disclaimer. I would have thought they would have told me the about that before doing what they just did. Rather insulting. And gives you a sense of how far this free speech thing has gone and how they frighten everybody. I mean, were in america, were not in east germany. Theyve got to warn you about me . I mean, donny, they have to warn you about rudy because hes lying. I mean, exactly. Were in america. Where we have laws that protect the truth. Its amazing to see these guys choking on their own medicine. Yeah, i want to pick up a little bit where i lift off on my little kumbaya kindness thing and i think thats going to extend into truth. I know our hair gets on fire when we talk about social media and how truths are untruths now and whatnot but i believe the level of lying, the level of deception, the level of conspiracy is going to be very 2020. I do believe you just feel a shift in the mike lindell just a contrast of hogg and lindell and good and bad and honest and dishonest, and empathetic and unempathetic and a i think these critters from this era, were going to look back at these kind of villainous scoundrels, the just giulianis of the world, and its going to be very momentous. I do not believe, and i know this is maybe the minority, that this is the future of the Republican Party. Because it cannot exist. It cannot win this way. And my earlier points about general elections so i do think these very nefarious, very outwardly evil, i mean, they sold evil, i do think its a moment in time, and i do think we are going to be moving away from that, something that seemed the norm and something that seemed unacceptably acceptable, i think its going to be a moment. I dont think its our future. You know, donna, i wish i shared donnys optimism, and ill find out what hes having for breakfast, but i actually think its going to take these multibillion Dollar Lawsuits and losing a couple of them to change it. And i think whats interesting about david hogg is hes not, you know, on a Friendly Network attacking people he disagrees with. Hes going to where these people feel it. Hes going to the bottom line. Hes introducing a rival product. The mypillow guys business is the pillow. Hes creating what he says is going to be a better pillow, and well see. Sleepers will make that decision. But this idea that smartmatic and dominion have sued not just multimillion dollar settlements but billions of dollars from fox news, that theyve got them, you know, and i guess rudys right about one thing. Theyre scared to lie. The companies being scared to lie is the lever, not any sort of feeling that its time to be more moral about it. Right, and i mean, the fact is, how many more disclaimers are some of these socalled News Organizations going to have to put up before they finally say, you know what . We cant entertain it at all for fear that, you know, the follow the money is going to touch our money, and so i actually think its a smart strategy as a company not to allow your company to be defamed without answering it, and in this case, answering it with, you know, multibillion Dollar Lawsuits. At some point, the chickens are going to come home to roost, and so while i dont really share donnys optimism, i do think that some of these strategies, like what david hogg is doing, and what smartmatic and dominion are doing, are going to hit at the bottom line that really, whether they want to tell the truth or not, theyre going to be forced to at least let go of the lies, because its too costly. Nicole, i just want to jump back in because i actually think these im sorry. Go ahead. I think these lawsuits actually validate what i am saying, and forget about the ends and the means, im just talking about, this is where were going to get to and i think that these lawsuits and businesses pushing back and actually going after anchors, going after lou dobbs, sets the tone. So however we get there, im not saying its going to necessarily be a moral imperative but were going to end up in a morally more enriched place. I really believe that. Heilemann, take the last word. I dont know, man. 199 House Republicans yesterday decided that they were going to, as donny said at the top of the show, they were going to issue their endorsement. They knew that if they voted the way they voted yesterday, that they were allowing, inviting, encouraging democrats to portray them as the party of qanon for the next two years, and yet they just went right ahead and did it. They half of them, according to adam kinzinger, i talked to last night, half of them stood up and gave her a standing ovation. Half in that private caucus room on wednesday night. Thats a big chunk of the country, a big represented in that room by those republicans who are totally fine with being the party of qanon. So, im not i dont necessarily see a dawning of a new age of truth any time soon, unfortunately. But we all we all hope that donny, on his optimism island, is the one thats right and were all wrong, and i do think that if disinformation becomes a new pack of cigarettes with so many warnings on it, even if you indulge, you hide it from your partners and kids, thats a good step. John, donny, thank you so much for spending time with us today. When we come back, theres now real world evidence of the lifesaving effect that vaccines have against the virus. That storys next. Vaccines have against the virus that storys next. There are signs of hope today in the global fight to contain the coronavirus. The u. S. Could have a third vaccine available to us in just weeks. Johnson johnson has submitted its single shot vaccine that is 85 effective against severe disease for fda emergency use authorization. The company has said it expects to supply 100 million doses to the u. S. By june. Meanwhile, researchers say astrazenecas vaccine is an impressive 75 effective against the highly contagious uk variant, and it might also prevent transmission. Experts continue to remind us that vaccines are key to stopping the spread and getting become to some normalcy. Case in point, New York Times projects the uk with one of the fastest rollouts in the world could blunt the virus in weeks. At this pace, it could give the entire population the first of two doses by the end of june and significantly drop the number of deaths even sooner than that by first vaccinating its most vulnerable citizens. Joining us msnbc medical contributor dr. Kavita patel. I dont remember the last time i read the covid section of the newspaper an smiled, but these reports about the Public Health side, obviously saving one life is the purpose of the vaccine, preventing disease. But when you pull out and look at big parts of the population, seeing the spread significantly down, that seems to be the way that the vaccines get us back to something resembling normal. Yeah, absolutely, nicolle. And youre right, it was a lot of good news. Even coming out of israel, where over 90 of the population over the age of 60 has already been vaccinated. Remember, theyre using the Pfizer Vaccine there. Theyve already seen a 41 drop in cases in hospitalizations. So there is incredible encouragement that even when you have kind of segments that are high risk like in the United States, over the age of 65 or people with chronic conditions, that if we can get a large number of them vaccinated, we are going to see continued decreases. And were already seeing continued signs of that in nursing home populations by is the way. Dr. Patel, talk about the Johnson Johnson vaccine. Will anyone still just get whatever is available or do you well start to see vaccines targeted to different parts of the population . Yeah, i do think there is a role in a oneshot vaccine that could be targeted to parts of the population where it is really hard, nicolle, to follow up. The way ive been following up with people is by email, and not everyone has that. So if you have a more transient population, we can do this with people who might not have housing thats regular. We can do this in the correctional facility, nicolle, where we are still seeing kind of super spreader outbreaks and unfortunate deaths. So a oneshot strategy. Dont get me wrong. I think anybody who gets any vaccine should take what they can get. But we can be tactical to help especially where we dont know if we can get that all important second shot. But i do want to reinforce, the data all around the world tells us the twoshot dose, you really do need that second shot. So its critical for everyone getting it to keep that in mind. And you are seeing that this more contagious variant is also responding to some of the vaccines. So thats got to be good news. Yeah. I think there has been a lot of hype, frankly, about the decrease in efficacy with these variants. The variants are certainly we talked about this. Theyre certainly concerning. But if the current vaccines do work against them, just not as much as they do against kind of what weve seen in the United States. Theyre still very effective, and we need to get them out to more people now. Dr. Kavita patel, thank you so much for spending some time with us on all the latest. Were appreciative. Finally, as we do every day, remembering lives well lived. Her husband called her the mouse that could fight the lion. She stood 411 but she had a mighty, towering presence indeed. Raised in a korean fishing village, she was so impoverished, so starved that her hunger often kept her from sleeping at night. According to nbcnews. Com, she and her siblings collected pine needles for kindling. Often the only family crop of yams to eat. But she left home, and without knowing much english settled in northwest missouri. Years later, after once swearing shed never farm again, she and her husband turned their garden into a fulltime job, selling vegetables at the local farmers market. And after a childhood spend starving, she made sure leftovers went to the food bank. She was loving to her children, to her beloved granddaughters, but recently she got sick. She fought covid for two months. She bounced back from a ventilator. And on the same day her husband visited to find her in good spirits, doctors later called to tell the family that she had gone into cardiac arrest. She passed some time later at the young age of 71, a bright light, tough as nails, the mouse that could fight the lion. We will be right back. How am i doing . Some say this is my greatest challenge ever. Governments in record debt; inflation rising and currencies falling. But ive seen centuries of rises and falls. I had a love affair with tulips once. Lived through the crash of 29 and early dotcom hype. Watched mortgages play the villain beside a true greek tragedy. And now here i am, with one companion thats been with me for millennia; hedging the risks you choose and those that choose you. The physical seam of a digital world, traded with a touch. My strongest ally and my closest asset. The gold standard, so to speak ; people call my future uncertain. But theres one thing i am sure of. This is what Community Looks like. Caring for each other, protecting each other. And as the Covid Vaccine rolls out, well be ready to administer it. Thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. Were grateful. The beat with ari melber starts right now. Hi, ari. Hi, nicolle. Thank you so much. Welcome to the beat. I am ari melber. Let me start with what we think is the most important thing youre going see on the beat tonight, dr. Anthony fauci joins us. Were going get into the new covid strains, some of this vaccine news that is so important. I want to ask him about Racial Injustice issues as well, something weve been covering in the vaccine rollout, and much more that is coming up shortly tonight. Dr. Fauci. Youll see him only here on the beat. 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