Proving once and for all there is no real civil war between the trump republicans and the establishment bush era holdovers. If there ever was, its over. One side absolutely walloped the other. Not only did the republicans not discipline this member, according to reports. A lot of people in the caucus apparently gave her a Standing Ovation. A division in the party has been amplified because of two contentious figures that the gop house caucus has been trying to figure out what to do with. Now, the first is georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene. Representing the trump republicans, much of the Republican Base, she is a wealthy Construction Heiress who shifted her district to a district she didnt live in and spreading insanely violent conspiratorial nonsense on the internet. Rothchild jewish lasers started California Wildfires and support for executing prominent democrats including Speaker Pelosi. Just today mother jones reported she was a moderator featuring Death Threats and racist memes. This afternoon the house rules committee, of course under the control of democrats, passed a resolution to strip greene of her Committee Assignments and they did that because republicans wouldnt do anything. They did it after minority leader Kevin Mccarthy declined to take care of it within the Republican Caucus. Speaker pelosi responded with a Press Release Blasting Mccarthy for handing the keys to the party to greene and referring to the gop leader as mccarthy q california. According to multiple reports, greene apologized to her republican colleagues in private for her past comments tonight, although the extent of the apology is a little unclear. The caucus reportedly gave her a Standing Ovation when she was finished speaking. Meanwhile her public rhetoric is growing increasingly hostile and apocalyptic. Thats Marjorie Taylor greene. On the other side of this socalled civil war in the Republican Party, another woman in congress, congresswoman liz cheney, who is, of course, another heiress. In this case the heiress to the dick cheney political line. Also like greene, she moved to run for office, in this case from virginia to wyoming. Ask cheney represents a Chamber Of Commerce Neocon ServetiveRepublican Party of the bush years. Now, to cheneys real credit, she voted to impeach the leader of the Republican Party donald trump with a very, very strong statement about him inciting a mob Of Insurrectionists to overrun the capitol. For that liz cheney is now facing the possibility of being voted out of house leadership. In fact, House Republicans are meeting about this right now. She has fellow republican congressman matt gaetz showing up in wyoming to attack her leading a republican civil war against her. But stop yourself and ask this question. If liz cheney ran against Marjorie Taylor greene in a president ial primary for the republican nomination, who would the heck do you think would win between the two of them . I think we know the answer. In fact, in 2016 we had a near approximation of it in trump versus jeb, and look what happened there. The reason for that is donald trump and Marjorie Taylor greene are closer to the primary voting base of the Republican Party than liz cheney. And the problem for the cheney faction, if you can even call it that, is they have nothing to offer. The Republican Party right now faces a choice between being the loyal opposition and being essentially a seditionist caucus opposed to democracy. Remember, right now as i speak to you, the majority of republican members of congress is on the record voting for the latter, voting to overturn the democratic election, okay. So those in the Republican Party who, again to their credit, want to at least stay on this side of that line, to stay the loyal opposition. They have no affirmative argument for what the Republican Party should be that has any appeal whatsoever to republican primary voters. Forget other voters. Senate minority whip john thuney perfectly embodied that message to marginally taylor greene, quote, asking the party do they want to be limited fiscal responsibility, prolife, or do they want to be the party of Conspiracy Theories and qanon . I got news for you, senator thune. No one wants those first things you listed as a Republican Party. At least the first part of it. I mean, lets be clear. The Republican Party doesnt actually stand for that. The trump years were not free market when he sent tens of billions of dollars to farmers unilaterally and limited government to do it unilaterally and adding a whole new space force and enormous recordsetting deficit for corporations. No one is buying what youre selling, Chamber Of Commerce republicans. You cann win the battle for the soul of your party with that platform because no one actually wants it, no one in the base wants it, swing voters want it, no one wants it. The people in the base of the Republican Party want to destroy the opposition. They want the country ruled by them, no matter what. And if that takes overturning elections and changing the lawes so that certain kinds of people cant vote, or whipping a mob up into intimidate members of congress, so be it. The Republican Base wants the government to help them when they need it. They dont oppose Big Government in any way at all. But they want it to keep power away from the people they see as their enemies. They want to own the libs. They want to fight cancel culture. Thats the sum total of what the base wants, the substantive agenda. They also want to ban abortion, i should say. Thats what they want. Now, a new Quinnipiac Poll shows twothirds of republicans support 1400 stimulus payments to americans because, a, theyre right. Thats a good thing it would help everyone. John thune, they dont care whatever principles you have about the free market and helping yourself and all that nonsense. All this wrestling about what the Republican Party is and isnt through the the figure of Marjorie Taylor greene is somewhat bizarre in the sense that donald trump was the president the last four years. He was the head of the Republican Party. And days before he left office, his Approval Rating among republicans was 87 . And thats even after he got hundreds of thousands of People Killed in a plague, and tried to overturn 240 straight years of american democracy. 87 , donald trump was exactly what the Republican Base wants. Talk about the current state of the gop, republican congressman from florida. Well, youve kind of lived this in some ways. What do you think of my analysis of where the civil war stands . Well, chris, look, youre right. This is not a debate about policy within the House Republican conference any more. This is a debate about the truth versus lies. Marjorie taylor greene, apparently has been applauded for embracing a series of lies, and liz cheney, who, by the way, i have heard is not apologizing for the decision she made, right now as she meets with her fellow House Republicans, she is under attack simply for recognizing the truth, for recognizing what happened on the 6th Of January and who was responsible for that, primarily, of course, the former president of the united states, mr. Trump. So thats the dynamic. This is not about low taxes versus high taxes. Back in the good old days, republicans would get in trouble for breaking tax pledges. Now apparently they get in trouble for recognizing the truth. So heres what i think has happened. I think two things have happened. One is i think the modern conservative orthodoxy which has synthesized and brought into majority by Ronald Reagan is in some ways a victim of its own success. Taxes have been cut a ton since 1980. Focusing on tax cuts everywhere you go has diminishing returns. Two, has ideologically crumbled. The notion of it and the context that bore reaganism isnt there any more. And the ideology behind it is desiccated. You see the cross left. Thats the problem. Its like the liz cheneys or adam kinsingers, carlos curbelos, dont go with the nuts, go with us. Why . What have you got . Well, chris, i think thats a good point that maybe it is a victim of its own success, and thats why about ten years ago the Republican Party essentially became the party of no. They just started saying no to everything and donald trump, being an opportunistic person as he has been his whole life, saw that party, saw that it really didnt start standing for nothing and decided to hijack it. And here we are today where the party cannot even accept Simple Truths. And a party that cannot accept Simple Truths and cannot condemn lies cannot really put out there an agenda or a set of proposals for people to follow or to embrace. And people who dont recognize the truth and who dont express Simple Truths, its very difficult for them to lead. So right now, and to their credit, Mitch Mcconnell and john thune and liz cheney and others are trying to wage this war, but it sure seems like theyre going to come up short. Yeah, and i think there is a relationship here. It was interesting to me the governor of West Virginia, the trumpiest, the reddest states in the union are pushing for this relief bill. Saying dont worry about the deficits. I think he knows where his contingents are at. If the choice of the Republican Party is 1400 checks and qanon and possibly the execution or political enemies, thats one way to go. Or its bad to talk about the executioner political enemies. We should uphold democrat kra kra city and worry about the deficit and dont give the 1400 checks. That second wing is not in good shape. Thats not the winning wing right now. The lesson for republicans in the last four years, chris, has been that as long as youre okay with trump right. You can pretty much be for anything you want. Anything. And that is not a coherent way of Going Forward for a party. Win a majority of the public support. Youre right. Its trump, but its sort of against the libs, right . If youre fighting the other side and i think abortion, abortion can use a litmus test. Those are it. Basically its that, its a freerunning field ideologically after that in this fight. Carlos curbelo, thank you for giving us a little bit of your expertise tonight. I really appreciate it. Thank you, chris. Good night. There is a strategy the right wing media turns to again and again when people line with their side, something defensible and point to and say, hey, what about that . All the time. For example, a republican president whipped up a mob Of Insurrectionists, they attacked the u. S. Capitol in violent pursuit of overturning a legitimate election. The right wing media went to the old playbook. Instead of reckoning with what had happened, what their side had done, what about antifa . They are now doing this Again Predictability again with Marjorie Taylor greene. A member of congress who has literally signalled support for the murder of democratic lawmakers. I think she says it was somone managing her page. This was fox news, suggesting a double standard in the treatment of greene and democrat ilhan omar, someone who has not had support for killing her fellow lawmakers. House republicans are using the same tactic as their media ally. This afternoon in response, congresswoman omar released a statement that reads, in part, quote, lets be clear. This is a desperate smear rooted in racism, misogyny, a lot of phobia. Instead of holding her accountable theyre fanning the flames. Republicans will do anything to distract from the fact they have not to allow elevated members of their caucus to its time to stop the violence of Conspiracy Theorists who pose a threat to their fellow members of congress and our most fundamental democratic processes. Joining me for her first interview in all this is democratic Representative Ilhan Omar of minnesota. Representative congresswoman, did you expect that you would be pulled into this because you had become kind of the a goto figure in these moments for the Republican Party . Sadly this is the republican playbook. We saw it with donald trump, that any time they are faced with consequence for their actions to undermine our democracy, they blame immigrants, they blame black people, they blame women. I just happened to embody all of these identities and i just want to make sure, chris, that we are clear on this. This is not about me and it should not be about me. This is about a member of the Republican Caucus who has repeatedly incited violence and republicans cant just wave a magic wand and attack the black congresswoman. It was notable that there has been a fundraising effort using you. Fundraising, the democrats are trying to expel me from congress. It was interesting, the democrat behind there is you, not Speaker Pelosi or house leadership. I think everyone understands what that is about. I guess my question is this. There is this dynamic that functions now where she will use this attention, right . And this sort of oppositional to fund raise. Do you think about breaking out of this cycle on how to do it, if there is anyway out of it . No. I mean, you know, the republicans truly have lost their way. Their party is destroyed. Their base now is Conspiracy Theorists. Its cowards. Its opportunists. Its grifters and sadly they are becoming the loony tunes. People we cant take serious. Theyre not here to do the peoples business. They are here to just be obstructionists and make a mockery of not just our government, but our country. There is, of course, this individual congresswoman who is the subject of this question today in this house rules committee, attracted attention, she ran because of this ad with her with a gun next to you and other democratic lawmakers. It just seems to me that and you tweeted about this, about feeling like the sense of threat or menace, alexandria ocasiocortez talked about this. We saw it embodied in january 6. This is not theoretical. But just the degree to which physical intimidation, the threat of violence, of menace, of armed people has entered into the oxygen, the atmosphere of the building and the place you work that should be a question of sort of debating politics. Yeah, i mean, and so many people have asked, you know, could there be violence . Could this lead to violence . You know, they seem to forget that five people have already lost their lives in the events of january 6th, including a Capitol Police officer. Hundreds more people could have. We currently have members of congress who are moving their offices away because they fear for their lives, you know. Alex talked about the trauma that she is living with and has lived with since january 6th. I sent a text message to my exhusband and told him, you know, if i dont make it out, please make sure you tell my children i love them. This is not a joke. This is not a game. These people are threatening to our environment. They are threatening our ability to do our work. They are really making it hard for people to survive and exist in a free democracy where debate and discourse is supposed to be celebrated. We are now living in a situation where every single caucus conversation, its about, you know, where can we find resources for security . How are we supposed to check if our Panic Buttons are working, you know. Can we buddy up and walk the hallways because we are afraid of our own colleagues. This is insane. No other Work Environment that is this toxic would sustain itself, and we cant sustain ourselves as members of congress in this situation. The final question is, is there something that these members can do to cross back over the line . Whether its Marjorie Taylor greene, whether its the others that voted to overturn this election . What would do that . What would be a way, when you say its unsustainable, short of removing them from congress, which i think probably wont happen and i think there are democratic arguments for why that wouldnt be ideal. What could happen . They can show leadership. They can decide not to turn the key over the key of their party over to this conspiracy theorist, White Supremacist, violent and dangerous member of congress. They can hold her accountable. They can hold so many of their members who have incited insurrection and helped lead a rebellion against our democracy On January 6th accountable. It is going to be a long road because, you know, these are the children that are born out of a White Supremacist Movement that is taking over the base of the Republican Party, and we have to, you know, wait and see if they are willing to do the hard work of, you know, dealing with this awful toxic, really deadly White Supremacist fascist they have unearthed. Congresswoman ilhan omar, thank you so much for being with me. Thank you for having me. Next what may be some good news on the vaccine front and an ominous warning about who will suffer most if we dont speed up vaccinations quickly. Dr. Peter hotez explains after this. Dr. Peter hotez explains after this r skin as alive as you are. Dont settle for silver 7 moisturizers 3 vitamins 24 hours hydration gold bond champion your skin hey, i just got a text from my sister. 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Dr. Hotez, layout the argument you make in the oped about the need to target specifically African Americans for vaccination as quickly as possible. Yeah, chris, its really borne out of the fact now especially because weve got the new variants coming, the ones from the united kingdom, south africa, and now brazil. And we know that they are highly contagious. Theyre much more transmissible than the previous major lineages that weve had in north america. And so theyre going to race through this population very quickly. Theyre already here. The u. K. , theres been at least 540 isolates, three in south africa, 40 in brazil. We started doing Genomic Sequencing. Its much more widespread. This thing is going to sweep through the country even though were on a decline right now from 250,000 new cases a day to 150,000. This is going to sweep through. And what weve learned in 2020 is that this virus disproportionately affects certain groups. Hispanics, africanamerican populations, native american populations. And really worried particularly about the africanamerican population for a number of reasons. They seem to be losing their life at a younger age, about a third of the deaths in the africanamerican nonwhite populations occurring under the age of hispanics, were losing a generation of 40, 50yearold africanamerican moms and dads and im worried about that. And the fact were seeing now, were not doing such a great job in vaccinating low income neighborhoods. We have two studies now to shohei rates of Vaccine Hesitancy among the africanamerican people. Were looking a the this perfect storm. If this virus as the new Variant Races through, this is who its going to hit the hardest, im afraid. We should note we are doing very little Genomic Sequencing in terms of surveilling where the new strains are. One individual, an alabama man the age of 35 who did, in fact, have that strain from the u. K. , has died, succumbed to the virus. You can see him right there. 35 years old. And, of course, we saw the Fatality Rates go up and the Hospitalization Rates go up in the u. K. That combines with the fact this has been hitting African Americans. Heres my frustration about the vaccine discussion. The cdc put out this metric, this sort of matrix for Decision Making about tiers and ordering vaccines. And it prioritized equity, particularly racial equity, and it got a lot of criticism for that. There was a lot of criticism saying Stop Thinking go getting shots in arms. I think there was a persuasive reason for that. Now that weve moved from shots in arms, guess what, america . We have managed to recreate the problem from an equity standpoint. We have tons of evidence coming in, this is the new york times. Wealthy are getting vaccinations even than poorer neighborhoods. Racial disparities opening up in vaccinations. How do we fix that . I think one of the major ways, of course, is making vaccines more accessible in some of the lowincome neighborhoods. We dont have much of a Health System for giving adult vaccination. It relies heavily on the Pharmacy Chains and the hospital chains. But tragically, you know, many of the lowincome neighborhoods are pharmacy deserts. Theyre just not there. And same with a number of the Community Hospitals that have folded in poor or urban areas. And so as a consequence, theres no place to get vaccinated. So weve got to specifically open up community centers. Weve been doing that in houston. Mayor turner has been opening up centers in some of the lowincome neighborhoods. May be a good model to follow. But the awesome parallel we are finding as we look at groups refusing to go to get vaccines, its high among the africanamerican population. They dont trust what is been going on. They are not being spoken to. There is an absence of communication, that horrific legacy of tuskegee experimentation. There is targeting of africanamerican groups by the antivaccine lobby. What im doing, chris, im going on africanamerican Radio Broadcasts and talk radio shows and pod casts with every chance i get because the message theyre not hearing is how were disproportionately losing the lives of so many young moms and dads and brothers and sis derz. Sisters. Someone has to get that message across. Im willing to do it. I talked to people in the biden camp. They get it, theyre ramping up. The scary thing is we thought we had time. We thought we had the fall to fully vaccinate the american people. With the new variants, we realize we have to call an audible and we have to get this done by june. Its not only going to be about getting the vaccination hubs. We need more vaccines. Yeah. Were learning in Operation Warp Speed we dont have all the vaccines, theyre not being made in parallel with the studies unfortunately. Supply is a bigger issue than dee mapped. There are people i should note working on the demand side of this issue in various communities across the country. Dr. Peter hotez, i thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience on this. I appreciate it. Thank you. Next the unreal exchange and interview with the Mypillow Dude that tells you everything you need to know about this political moment. One of these people is apologizing today. Stick around to find out who. Stick around to find out who to play for you two of the greatest minutes that have ever aired on cable news. Functions as a Rosetta Stone for understanding politics in this moment. First i need to give you a little context for what you are going to see. The network here is called newsmax, sort of fringe right wing pro trump channel even more so than fox. They gained a huge following in recent months eating into foxs ratings by essentially going allin about the president s lie about the election being stolen. That included lots of segments about a Company CalledDominion Voting Systems and conspiracy systems about their Voting Machines deleting or changing votes. Now, that didnt actually happen, but the network went along with the false story until dominion threatened them with a Defamation Lawsuit and then newsmax quickly changed its tune. They started running bizarre Hostage Statements with the host setting the record straight about dominion. Thats the network we are about to watch. The guest is the maga pillow guy, mike lindell who is allin on this Conspiracy Theory to the point he went to the white house on january 15th to convince donald trump to stage a full coup. Because he himself was spreading the lie about the Voting Machines and the election being stolen, the maga pillow man like trump was kicked off of twitter. Which gave newsmax the bright idea to bring him on to rant against the Southeast Censor Ious cancel culture that deplatformed him. He was deplatt formed for telling lies that potentially got newsmax into trouble. Thats all he wanted to talk about. This is what that looked like. So what happened . What happened with your twitter account and the company page . Well, first mine was taken down because we have all the Election Fraud with dominion machines. We have 100 proof. When they took it down, and then moving back up, my personal mike, thank you very much. Mike, youre talking about machines that we at newsmax have not been able to verify those kinds of allegations. We just want to let people know that theres nothing stalintive that we have seen let me read you something here. While there were some clear evidence of some cases of vote fraud and irregularities in elections, Election Results were certified and newsmax accepts the results as legal and final. The courts have also supported that view. So we wanted to talk to you about cancelling culture, if you will. We dont want to relitigate the wait, wait, wait. The allegations youre making, mike. We understand where you are. So, let me ask you this. Do you think that this should be temporary . Because it appears to be permanent. Could you make an argument that it is temporary. What . Would you make an argument this would be a temporary banning rather than permanent . No, i want it to be a permanent because, you know what . They did this because im reviewing all the evidence on friday of all the Election Fraud with these machines. So im sorry if you think its not real mike, can i ask our producers, can we get out of here, please . I dont want to have to keep going over this. Newsmax has not been able to verify any of those allegations. Mike, hold on a second. Everybody hold on a second. Mike, mike, hold on one second. Lets talk a little about just what is happening overall in terms of censorship of they canceled out my company and myself. In this country its cancel culture. Oh, so good. Lucky for mike lindell, he was back on newsmax the same night and the host bob sellers saying he apologized on air, he could have handled it differently, and the maga man will continue to be an important guest on the network. An important guest who happens to spend Tens Of Thousands of dollars running ads on that network. There are more serious legal consequence for those who spread the big lie. State officials in michigan are pushing to disbar Trump Lawyers who played along. Ill talk to two of those officials next. Those officials next hey, i just got a text from my sister. You remember rick, her neighbor . Sure, hes the 76yearold guy who still runs marathons, right . Sadly, not anymore. Wow. So sudden. Um, were not about to have the we need Life Insurance conversation again, are we . 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These folks, they dont have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps. Com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the services of the Post Office Plus ups only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. For almost a year, the situation in the state of michigan has served as a kind of coming attraction for the country at large. Last spring you might remember armed right wing marched on the public Capitol Protesting Lockdowns promoted by President Trump. It led to more than a dozen arrests. Joe bidens clear decisive victory in michigan, cindy powell was peddling unfounded allegations of Election Fraud, legal documents riddled with errors. Top elected officials are pushing for accountability. On monday the Attorney General filed grievances against powell and those who aided her. The unprecedented insurrection at the Capitol Building in washington, d. C. On january 6th, that sought to topple our national government. Nothing short of Permanent Disbarment would be appropriate under these circumstances. Dana is a Michigan Attorney general who filed those complaints along with the lawsuit suing the four lawyers for attorneys fees. And Jocelyn Benson is the Secretary Of State in michigan responsible for the integrity of State Elections which powell and her associates attacked and both join me now. Ill again with you, Attorney General. What is the procedure here . How often is it used and why use it here . Well, its not terribly uncommon that some sort of complaint is made against an attorney with the Attorney Grievance Commission. But it is fairly unusual to ask for disbarment as the remedy. We thought that it was entirely appropriate given the set of circumstances. I mean, these are not just any cases. These are cases that sought to overturn the will of the people as to the president ial election in michigan. And sought really to undermine peoples faith in the integrity of our electoral system. So we thought it was the appropriate remedy. And we are hoping the Attorney Grievance Commission in michigan and the State Of Texas where Sidney Powell is licensed will take consideration into what weve said. Secretary of state benson, what have the effects been . Poling is a huge part of the national electorate, believes the election was stolen as they have been repeatedly told by, you know, the leaders of the Republican Party, conservative media. There is some argument that actually having these lawsuits in your state allowed courts to say this is nonsense and were better for trust in the system. But i wonder how you see it. Interestingly, first we have to recognize last years election was a success. More people voted in michigan than elsewhere before. The post election shenanigans and through the court of Public Opinion really covered that truth. And to the point to the extent we were worried about the security of our elections last year, we ultimately found the greatest Security Threat was not foreign interference, but actually these domestic attacks in the form of lies and misinformation that was spread in an intentional calculated way to intentionally mislead people and sow doubt in our elections and the misuse and abuse of those who have the very privilege to present arguments in a court of law, for them to abuse that privilege, to intentionally try to undermine the will of the people is particularly pernicious. It was unprecedented and it was particularly challenging and disappointing given the fact that it was in line with a very successful election that saw so many people on both sides of the aisle engage in the process and believing in the process through deciding to cast their votes in november. Attorney general, there have been responses from some of the lawyers named, a lawyer for Sidney Powell saying it was improper, using the caller of your office of the Attorney General to influence a District Judge on pending motions. Others accusing you essentially of this being a political vendetta. It wasnt the ethical substance of the actual actions taken, but that because it was taken on behalf of a political cause you oppose that youre trying to mete out this punishment. Chris, these attorneys sought to undermine the vote of the people of the state of michigan. Secretary benson and i represent the people of michigan as does governor whitmer. It happens all three of us are licensed attorneys. So if not us, if we are not the ones to fight back against these types of lies and this effort to undermine this election and undermine our democracy, then who are the proper and appropriate authorities who should bring such a case or such a complaint . I would argue we are entirely the appropriate actors to do that. And i would say this further. I mean, if those individuals that were involved in the insurrection at the capitol, they really believed what was in these lawsuits. They truly drank the koolaid. And if they drank the koolaid, it was these lawyers that mixed it, stirred it and served it up in dixie cups to all of these individuals and that fanned the flames of this horrific fire. They are responsible and they ought to be held accountable. Michigan Attorney General dana nestle and Secretary Of StateJocelyn Benson, thank you both for making time tonight. Our pleasure, chris. Thanks. Earlier we talked about how House Republicans are voting tonight on whether or not to strip liz cheney of her Leadership Position because she vote today impeach donald trump. The vote is now in. House Republican Caucus has voted by Secret Ballot to let her keep her job. Nbc news correspondent Leigh Ann Caldwell joins me now. How did the vote go down . Do we have a tally . Reporter chris, we do. The vote took place in the house behind me down a flight of stairs. The tally was pretty significant in favor of liz cheney. About 145 to 61. So that means there was about 60 members who voted to strip her from her position as the number 3 republican in the house conference. So it was a Secret Ballot. So we dont know exactly how people voted, but i will say that it was it was a lot less than i expected. There were hours of debate about liz cheney and her role in the conference. Everyone was talking about it was a family discussion, so we didnt get a lot of details. There seems to be a big muzzle around what did happen there. But we do know that Marjorie Taylor greene, who there was not a vote about her tonight, she did get up to speak, and there were some members who gave her a little bit of a Standing Ovation. She was well received, i am told. 14561 in a Secret Ballot, that is that is i suppose encouraging in that the caucus has decided they wont cast down a member for voting to impeach the president of the united states. Thats a fairly wide margin. Opposing leadership is a big deal. If it had gone the other way, it would have been an enormous earthquake, right . Reporter it would have been extremely significant, especially on the same day that they were having this big discussion about Marjorie Taylor greene who has said in the past that parkland was a false flag operation. She had been a supporter of qanon, and mccarthy earlier in the day, the republican leader, had come out and said that he was not going to support stripping her of her Committee Assignments. So if the conference after that news then voted right. To strip liz cheney of her number 3 position, that would have been extremely significant and a very big signal to the country of what the Republican Party stands for. Right now theyre keeping it as status quo. Right. Thats well said. What ended up getting set up here was a kind of, lets not do anything about either equilibrium, that essentially prevailed in both cases in terms of the caucus. Reporter thats absolutely right. They are going to try to live to fight another day. And now tomorrow, the democrats are planning on moving forward on a resolution to strip Marjorie Taylor greene from her Committee Assignments. That is pretty unprecedented that one party would try to strip another partys members from Committee Assignments. What republicans are leaning into is democratic overreach. They are saying that they are mccarthy in his statement said they are raising the temperature of partisan politics on capitol hill by democrats forcing this vote. So it now looks like they are going to shift the focus and try to, you know i just keep hearing this term from republican members over and over again, democratic overreach. They think that the impeachment is democratic overreach. They think that the thing that saves republicans over and over again is overreaction from democrats and theyre going to try to play into that tomorrow when the house takes this vote because republicans did not act regarding Marjorie Taylor greene. And they are keeping cheney in her position. They are going to try to change the topic, chris. Sounds like the law of Unintended Consequence like when you aim your space laser down to pursue your domination you end up with a wildfire. Leigh ann caldwell at the capital. Thank you. Thank you. The democrats won the senate, and one month, one insurrection later they are finally taking their precious gavels. Members love to chair things. This happened after minority leader Chuck Schumer and mcconnell agreed on how to run a 50 50 senate. Allowing democrats to pass the resolution and take control of the majority upper chamber. Now the question becomes can the democrats advance the president s agenda with their razor thin majority . Im joined by senator tim kaine, democrat from virginia. I guess first, it finally happened. Today was the day. You guys now have control. Congratulations. Thank you, chris. We feel very, very good about it. You control the agenda, so its 50 50, but once youre the majority, you can hearings what happens. You can determine what bills get marked up in committee. You can determine what bills get attention on the floor, and that is a very, very good thing. So lets talk about that. There have been a number of committee committees that have moved forward with republicans chairing them, essentially, to confirm a number of members of the cabinet. There are some notable exceptions, including Merit Garland, a man who is familiar with Senatorial Dithering and was probably hoping to not experience that again, but has not yet had a hearing, i think, in the justice the Judicial Committee and is not clear when hes going to be confirmed. Whats up with that . Well, no surprise, chris, the republicans arent wild about the department of justice. And so theyre glad to dither and not have a hearing on the Attorney General who by all accounts is one of the foremost consequence cabinet secretaries. But as of today we have named the Democratic Committee chairs, dick durbin is the chair of judiciary and we feel very compelled to move forward with Merit Garland as promptly as we can. Weve got to battle White Supremacy and domestic terrorism. We have to keep america safe from the crimes that an Attorney General is always focused on. Im not on the judiciary committee. I know. I hope they bring this up pretty quickly. The biggest priority right now is covid relief and theres very a few dynamics here. One, youve got polling showing 65, 70 of americans support it, even large percentage of republicans. Youve got governor justice down in West Virginia state that trump won by 50 points saying, for heavens sake, go big. What is the sentiment about how quickly to move and whether you need to negotiate with yourself, which im going to get to in a second, in the Democratic Caucus . So, chris, this is inside baseball, but democrats are very focused on the tool of Budget Reconciliation, which is a tool thats available to both parties. Its been used to do some of the most Bipartisan Legislation weve done in the last few decades, like the chip bill, the Childrens Health insurance bill or earned income tax credit. You can use Budget Reconciliation to do big important things promptly with the simple majority vote, and thats what were setting up to do, because the death toll is staggering. Every day we see death tolls in excess of the number of americans killed on 9 11. The economic consequence is staggering. The American Public is suffering and they need big action and they need big action soon. Were in dialogue with republicans because we want to put into that bill priorities that they think are important, priorities that matter to their voters and their states. But were not interested in slowing down and letting americans suffer slowly over this raging fire. Weve got to provide relief and weve got to provide it fast. Theres a lot in the relief package. Theres money for states and municipalities, money for vaccination program, expanded tax credit for families with children. Theres a whole bunch. Theres been a lot of focus on direct cash relief, the checks, the 2,000 checks. Partly because it was a big part of that campaign down the stretch in georgia that won the majority. I want to play you something that the press secretary jen psaki said today about the Democratic Party pairing Back Eligibility on those checks. Take a listen. The president talked about targeting can you just explain what he meant by that and what might be under consideration . Further targeting means not the size of the check. It means the income level of people who receive the check, and thats something that has been under discussion. There hasnt been a conclusion, but is certainly open to having that discussion. Okay, heres my pitch to you, senator. Then ill shut up. Dont do this, a. B, if you have to do it you need 50 votes, so whatever. Just give people checks and tax it back next year if they had a good year and didnt need it. This idea that youre going to means test 2019 income which is currently its not capturing the need. Please dont do this. Okay, you respond, ill shut up now. Chris, so heres what i absolutely agree with the white house. We shouldnt shrink the check amount. But i do think what the white house is talking about the 1. 9 trillion, thats what we need to do. And, look, if we target the check a little bit more in terms of the means, but we take the money, we save it and we put it into more vaccines or more Unemployment Insurance or more housing aid or more s. N. A. P. Benefits, we can meet the need. So the issue about the 1400 check, it connects with a whole lot of other priorities in this bill that are about so i think the Targeting Thing is not a bad discussion to get into as long as we are going big and going prompt because americans are still suffering. I would agree that dont you know, dont hold it up over that. I just think, again, the logic here of Means Testing and their income of 2019 isnt relevant. All i would say is the tax code next year is a great means, and it will score the same. By the way, for cbo purposes, it will score the same if you just tax it back next year. Thats my little piece. Senator tim kaine im not a senator, but i cant help but offer my opinion. Thank you so much for making time tonight. Youd be a good Budget Committee staffer, chris, with that comment. Its true, though. All right. One of the Big Questions facing democrats in the senate is whether they should eliminate the filibuster. Thats the topic of the latest episode of my podcast, why is this happening . Where senate insider lays out how he got filibuster in the first place, why it became Mitch Mcconnells goto move. Thats it for allin. Rachel maddow show starts now. Rachel. Any Budget Committee with that meme would make me sign up for that budget. Such a compliment to get on national television. You would make a good Budget Committee staffer. A part of me felt a little serotonin, thank you, good. Thank you. Good. Also, i am sending you some personal Financial Information later that id like you to help me with. Perfect. Because you alone could get that comment. Thanks, my friend. Much appreciated. And thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Heres an interesting thing. Sort of a personal thing, but also a news thing. Right before President Trump was impeached the first time, i published a book called blowout. And the weird, surprising to me thing about blowout is that it ended up being oddly well timed. I had no idea it was going to be well timed when i set out to write it, but thats how it landed. It with a book about the Oil And Gas Industry and the political power and geopolitical power of that industry. And a big chunk o