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Of his constituents. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Ve im chris hayes. Tonight, congress has taken a big step Forward Holding accountable those Responsible St For The January 6th attack on the capitol. Speaker out house nancy pelosi announced her intent to set up an official investigation into a the events of that day. Writing in a letter to democratic caucus, quote, it is clear that we need to establish a 9 11type commission to examine and report upon the facts, causes the security 9 relating to the Terrorist Mob Attack on january 6. Today the senate received the n first legal filings for the firstever second impeachment of a president of the United States. The house Impeachment Managers released this 80page trial memo former president for inciting insurrection. Theyre clear many what he did and deserves to be convicted writing that the nation will remember and President Trump Singular Responsibility for thaa tragedy. It is impossible to imagine the events of january 6th occurring without President Trump creating a powder keg, striking a match and then seeking personal advantage from the havoc. Eg Impeachment Managers lay out the effect that trumps words and actions had in the lead up to that crucial date. He spent the weeks preceding the rally doing everything in Husband Power to persuade the w vote could be stolen away in the joint Session Of Congress. That is, unless they somehow stopped it by making plans to fight like hell and fight to the death against this Act Of War By Radical Left Democrats and the weak rino section of the Republican Party. It was clear that President Trump was urging, approving and celebrating violence. Sele answering to the president s call to mobilize thousands arrived in washington for the purpose of aggressively championed by the president to do anything necessary to stop the joint Session Of Congress from finalizing the election th results. Om they describe how that mobilization of the president s supporters happened in plain sight online. It was widely discussed on id websites such as the donald. Win and closely monitored by President Trumps social media operation. El these sites hosted hundreds of posts about plans for the attack on the capitol with detailed discussions of weaponry, directions to tunnels and arrest the traitors. One poster stated, if congress illegally certifies biden trump would have absolutely no choice but to demand us to Storm Congress and kill beat them up p for it. Then when the day arrived the former president took to the stage to directly incite the crowds. The words said there like if we dont fight like hell you wonto have a country anymore and inviting them to go to the capitol are pretty squarely within the definition of incitement. Impeachment managers explain those that had come to the rally looking for a signal from the president found it in his remarks. Rather than quell the crowds, urge peaceful demonstration or promise to carry on the fight n over the years to come, the overwhelming thrust of presidena trumps remarks, delivered to an armed, angry crowd widely known to be prepared for violence on his behalf was a militaristic demand to fight to stop what was occurring in the capitol at tha very moment. The crowd, of course, went to the capitol just as the president directed them to, invited them to, told them to, with weapons and gas masks and bulletproof vests and zip ties where they chanted hang mike pence and proudly proclaimed they were doing President Trumps bidding. One told Police Officers he came as a group of patriots at the request of the president. In Livestream Video from the capitol, another declared our president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president. The key point Impeachment Managers are making here is that it is impossible, impossible to conceive of this event and the chain of events that led to it without donald trump behaving the way he did. Its all him. Hes at the center of the thing. He is the but for cause for all of it. Donald trump was the one who pushed the liehe about election fraud, used every tool in the disposal to try to overturn the election. To donald trump kept lying to his supporters and urging them on. Donald trump is the one that mp convinced them to see january 6th as the last desperate chance and donald trump was the one who invited them to come to washington, d. C. Donald trump was the one that told them it would be wild, and then whipped the crowd into a frenzy. At every stage Impeachment Managers argue President Trumps responsibility for the events of january 6th is unmistakable. S then theres the former president s weak, weird, counter brief from the brand new legal r team just 14 pages long starting with the Signature Characteristic of nearly all trump documents, a typo within the first few lines. Its weird they keep doing that. The former president s lawyers go on to make the tortured sounded arguments in the very strange construction. Take a listen to this. It is denied the 45th President engaged in insurrection or Aris Rebellion against the united eng states. Some of their arguments say he is no longer the president and articles of impeachment violates the right to free speech. But when it comes to the crux of che issue, right, that the president , former president pushed this lie and sought in e, public and in private to overturn a democratic election, the best his lawyers can muster is this incredible Statement Fod the ages. Insufficient evidence exists upon which a reasonable jurist could conclude that the 45th President s statements were accurate or not and he therefore denies they were false. I want to bring in two people well versed. Jill winebanks and a professor of fordham law school, author of the peoples courts. Jed, maybe ill start with you because youve been writing specifically about this. Theres lots of weird circumlocutions that you would quote in the law. Its a bizarre document to defend the president and particularly on this specific factual claim which it talks around about 720 degrees and never actually comes down on. So it is it seems more like a draft of a brief or an outline of a brief. It is written in a very strange way in terms of i encourage people to look at these two documents. The other one is the President Trumps brief has a lot of assertions and it is very circumlocutious and it doesnt really have a lot of facts to refute so it doesnt let me identify a key brief in the house brief that doesnt get o addressed at all in the br president s brief at all. It is the i think a key point is Dereliction Of Duty. Its challenging to say incitement without the backlash of the law. Right. This backfires if we criminalize speech and the key difference is two things. This is not a criminal trial. Right . This is a civil proceeding under impeachment but i think its also a different burden of ighe proof. If it is not beyond a reasonable t doubt. I think that the key question is what did president do was breaking out and this is where i think the house brief ih strong. Yeah. Is that it lays out that Dereliction Of Duty and the president s team, President Trumps team offers no response to those facts. T its such a good point and, jill, one of the most parts of the actions on that day is the reporting we have and some of the facts that are in the Impeachment Managers brief that while its happening on tv and we are all watching it, people are calling the white house, he is doing nothing. He is not taking steps, he is derelict in his duty and the Supreme Court has made clear the First Amendment does not shield Public Officials that occupy py positions from adverse actions. And in this case, that seems clearly applicable. It definitely does. This is a case where the proximate cause of what happenea was his remarks on the mall and his instructions to march to the capitol. But its proceeded by a Meeting On January 5th that we need more evidence about but which seems very, very damning to him. And by funding of the Rally Organizers thate we also need more information about and by months of lies about fraud in the election. Both before the election happened he said its going to behe rigged. And then afterwards he said it was stolen from me. So he set the stage for what could only be determined to be violence, to take back the th government that he says had been stolen from his control. And that makes him guilty. And no matter what your definition of First Amendment rights are it doesnt include an ability to say go and attack the capitol. Fight like hell. At o they do address that one fact, d but they claim that he was c saying you have to fight for election security. Yes. That is such a stretch that it is ridiculous. Jim neil from the watergate s case, the Senior Lawyer on the trial, used to say its like trying to stuff 50 pounds of garbage into a 5pound bag. And thats what this is. There is no excuse for this. The point, the sort of constitutional question is very clear to me that republicans would like to just wriggle out of this On Process Grounds if at all possible. They dont want to deal with it. They cant tell you what happened on january 6th. D o thats over. It is whatever happened. Jed, the point about the former officials, i thought this citation was interesting and ive seen a bunch of people say this. When the founders were drafting this that in england the parliament impeached two men in the 18th century, both former officers. That it was clearly understood at the time that impeachment extended to former officers and then it happened in the u. S. As well. First, this is a very important point that in the federalist papers Hamilton Sayso we are drawing from this Impeachment Practice from england. Only two impeachments in the 18th century. One was a former official for bribery in 1725. The other happened in the summer of 1787 while they they refea to it and thats warren hastings, the governor of india, and thats part of the background. The house brief cites a piece i wrote called an Originalist Case for impeaching expresident s citing the debates from july from this d same time. I am concerned, though, that there it is not just process. There is a stretch of the word incitement i hope the trial is more precise and careful about. Yeah. Ci incitement is a hard one in any court and in some ways here it is only part of a larger conspiracy but that is the charge as presented. Jill and jed, thank you both. Want to bring in one of the Impeachment Jurors that witnessed the events donald trump is being impeached over. Th senator Sheldon Whitehouse of rhode island. Sh let me start with this. How much mental space is this trial occupying a u. S. Senate that is as busy as its been in a very long time . I dont think a great deal. Once the presentations are made, they will obviously have our full attention and they should. But i think that some of us feen going into this a little bit to like we did going into the previous impeachment that a lot of the republicans have already made up their mind, they made a political decision about how this is going to turn out and the evidence and the presentation by the house ti managers will not change their point of view. So well have to see. I think theres curiosity as to how this plays out given that it was personal for so many of us and such a humiliation for our country to have the capitol ransacked this way. But i think the real effort will begin when the trial begins. In terms of the trial, this was not, you know we do not have a complete factual record. As i sit here talking to you, senator, a Capitol Police officer, officer sicknick, lost his life, and you and i both unless im missing something have no idea how he died. In whose hands, what context, what happened, who the perpetrators might be, whether theres a search for them, whether theyve been identified on videotape. Thats just one of the many, many factual holes in the question of what happened that day. Ac i wonder how much you want to learn about that, think the trial is a venue for that or the commission that the speaker talked about today. You know, it is the old mapmakers dilemma of the detail on the segment of the coast and could never finish the map as you dive down into the detail. D here the question is a very broad one did the president of the United States acquit the Constitutional Responsibilities when he sent a mob, an inflamed mob, up to the capitol for the purpose of their disrupting the orderly counting of the electoral votes, a direct assault led by the head of the Executive Branch against an ongoing operation within the legislative branch of government. And then once he knew it was under way, failing to take any steps foro a very long period time to stop it. And, indeed, according to testimony from the white house, information from theon white hoe i should, say, actually delighting in the prospect that he created this tumult and this turmoil. Tnd so thats a Pretty Simple question. Was he acting the way a president of the United States should act . T or was he violating separation of powers, inciting a riot and failing to discharge his duties of failing to defend and protect the constitution . You dont have to know who hit officer sicknick in the head with a Fire Extinguisher to know that donald trump failed in those duties. Yeah. Your understanding of the constitutional responsibility ti here is a point well taken. My journalistic instinct to know as much as we can about this and which is striking to me that we still dont. A al the point about responsibility that you make i guess the final question here is you said that most of your colleagues probably made up their mind or made a political d decision to made up their mind. I do wonder how much the personal experience of it matters. E well see. Well see. I think the house, if its opening pleading is any indication, it is going to put on a strong case and it is going to bring back memories and it is going to make people i think perhaps give a fresh thought to the politically comfortable position they may be in. Ont gi so i wouldnt rule it out at this point. Ou a lot of my colleagues are honorable people. I think theyre in a political pickle on this one. By the way, the things you point out we should figure that out. We should know a lot about all of this through the fbi investigation, we should know a lot about the role of our colleagues through the house and senate investigations. So im with you on making sure that at the end of the day we have a full understanding of the criminal activity that took place on january 6th. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, thank you so much, sir. Thank you. Coming up, dr. Fauci on they race to vaccinate the country and the ongoing risks from the virus as it mutates. On dr. Fauci joins me live next. Dont go anywhere. Is possible with verzenio, the only one of its kind proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant, regardless of menopause. Verzenio fulvestrant is for hr , her2 Metastatic Breast Cancer that has progressed after hormone therapy. Diarrhea is common, may be severe, or cause dehydration or infection. At the first sign, call your doctor, start an antidiarrheal, and drink fluids. Before taking verzenio, tell your doctor about any fever, chills, or other signs of infection. Verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. 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Published in the medical journal, so another vaccine on the case globally and the New York Times reports, get this, out of the roughly 75,000 people who have received 1 of the 5 vaccines in a research trial, not a Single Person died from covid and only a few people appear to have been hospitalized. Good news. But ive reported on good news here before and followed by bad news always so we are not in the clear. Joining me now is dr. Anthony fauci director of the National Institute of allergy and infectious diseases. Great to have you back on, dr. Fauci. Lets talk about vaccine efficacy. We have talked a lot about the National Picture here but sputnik is a reminder that the whole worlds fighting this. Does it matter to americans that other places get vaccinated and get vaccination programs up . Absolutely. Thats why its really very good news about the success of the russian trial which showed more than a 90 efficacy. Thats exactly what you want. You want to get the virus suppressed throughout the world because when youre dealing with a pandemic, if theres a good degree of infection and spread in any part of the world its always a threat to where you are. So if you really want to crush a pandemic, its got to be a global effort. Its obviously very important to be successful, and as you showed the curve, chris, of the infections going down. Hopefully well continue that downward trend. And hopefully as we get more and more people vaccinated, the level of infection in our own country will get lower and lower until it really is not a threat. But if we do that in a vacuum, without the rest of the world also suppressing the virus, it will be a continual Threat Hanging over us. So its very important that the rest of the world get vaccinated. Thats why i was very pleased to see the result of the russian study. Another vaccine that is being used internationally but not in the u. S. As of yet is astrazeneca vaccine that was a joint project with oxford. There was some problems with the trial, but ultimately it did get approval in the uk, and it is actually being administered in the uk, and i have seen some people, you know, respectable folks in the field wondering if the u. S. Is waiting too long on astrazeneca, if we should be pushing to get that out into the hands of americans even though as you see there three countries do not recommend it for seniors. Well, that is right. There is a little bit of a controversy about that. I think for the most part the news is reasonably good, but we have a trial going on right now in our own country that we would like to see the data of that Phase Three Trial which is solid, a well organized trial, so we can make a proper decision about the safety and the efficacy and what place it has among other vaccines. The good news is, chris, that in addition to moderna and pfizer, we have the j j and the trial that came out and showed a good degree of advanced disease. We have another Vaccine Platform which is a soluble protein and hopefully will get some good data there. So there are a lot of vaccines in the mix here right now, and i believe the process that were going through the proper process to get the good Scientific Data to make Good Public Health decisions. Its possible that you have lost audio from me so im just saying that in case Youare Blinking at me uncomprehending. Okay, lets do this we have him back. Dr. Fauci, you have me there . I got you. I can hear now, chris. Good. So when you talk about the sort of we have a number of vaccines, right . A number have the emergency use authorizations, others are coming up. So the way ive been thinking about vaccines, and maybe we can just talk through this. To get a person vaccinated is a like a three cherries on the slot machine. You need to have the vaccine supply. So someone has to make the thing. Then its got to be delivered to someone who has a syringe and then there has to be another person with an arm who wants it. So we have to supply the vaccine, deliver the vaccine, we need demand for the vaccine. What is the obstacle now to american scale . What is the limiting condition on how many people we can vaccinate right now of those three factors . Yeah. Well, there is a very minor component of some parts of the country in which it is inefficient getting it into the arms and some vaccine on the shelf. But overwhelmingly if you look at the entire country the supply does not at this point meet the demand. Right. So if you get on the phone with mayors and governors the biggest complaint is we need more vaccine. Get us more vaccine. There are a couple of locations where theyre inefficient in getting it into peoples arms, but im on the phone a lot. I got off the phone literally a few minutes ago with a mayor of a big city and thats what the person was saying. Get us more vaccine. We need more vaccine. We will be doing better as we get into february and march and april. There will be an escalation of doses that are available not only from the moderna and from the pfizer, but also, from the other companies, the one i mentioned, the j j and novavax. We will be getting more, but we need to get more vaccine in the hands of the administrators who are going to be administering the vaccine. If thats a supply issue, i guess its a naive question but theres been speculation and arguments about the degree to which, say, Intellectual Property can be opened up so that, say, other Pharma Companies could, say, produce more of the vaccine. And others argue, no, no, you dont understand the supply chain for mrna, vaccines are very difficult, you cant just make this up. How should i think about how big can the supply get how quickly . Right. If one had done this months ago to get what we call the Defense Production Act to get other companies to be making a product that one company discovered, so if you say, okay, what i want you to do is i want this company and this company that has these facilities to make vaccine, to start gearing up to make, lets say, the mrna vaccine, it would take a considerable amount of time to get them to be able to get the process in place to do it. It is not like making shoes or clothing. It is a very difficult process so that if today you know, in the very beginning of february we said what were going to do is get other companies to make whatever vaccine. Take, for example, an mrna vaccine, by the time you got that facility geared up to make it in a way that would be acceptable and approvable by the fda with all of the inspections and things they would do, by that time we already would have enough vaccine to vaccinate most of the country. So its a reasonable idea but for now its a little bit too late for that. We watched this horrible third wave that we have had, the deadliest, its been the most brutal in this country. Weve acclimated to 4,000 deaths a day. I know multiple people through networks and people who have lost family members, hospitalized family members. Its been a brutal winter. We are on the down part of that slope. The big question to me is, is that the dynamics of the thermostatic public response where we have seen this a few times . People get scared, pull back, maybe do more social distancing, antibodies build up because it ravages through a place, people go indoors and then come back out. I guess the big question is, like, how confident are you that were not going to get a fourth wave . What has to happen for that to happen . Right. Okay. Chris, you raise a very good point. When you have the surge, you have to figure out what triggered the surge. The big surge that we have been through right now thats been so devastating was a combination of a bunch of things. The cold weather which forced people indoors, the postholiday gatherings, thanksgiving, christmas, new years. We flew that we were going to see that kind of surge. All of those things together. One maybe more than the other but that led to that. You cant keep going up like that indefinitely. Thats the reason why you have the plateau. That could be due to a number of reasons. The ones who are most susceptible have already gotten infected. People get frightened by it so they double down a bit on Public Health measures. I dont think enough people in any given location have been infected enough to say Herd Immunity has come in. I dont think we are there yet so youre asking me a question. How confident am i we wont have yet again another surge . I think if we double down uniformly and consistently with the Public Health measures at the same time as we phase in increasing numbers of people getting vaccinated, we shouldnt see that. One of the wild cards, chris, we have to keep an eye on are the mutations. The mutants that are out there, because if they become dominant that then could lead to another surge. But the best way to prevent them from becoming dominant is double down on Public Health measures, all the things i have spoken about with you. Masking, distancing, avoid congregate settings. At the same time with the supplies that we have we vaccinate as many people as we possibly can. If we do that, and i underline the if we should then continue to see the downward trend. But we have got to keep our eye out on the mutants because if they become dominant they could be a problem. That is a big fear also for folks coming up this weekend. I like Many Americans like to congregate with others to watch the big football game. Dont do that. Dont do that. Dr. Fauci, thank you so much for making time tonight. I appreciate it. Good to be with you, chris. Thank you. Still ahead, the rogue agency ignoring the orders of the new president and following their own deportation policy. Thats next. Hey, i just got a text from my sister. You remember rick, her neighbor . Sure, hes the 76yearold guy who still runs marathons, right . Sadly, not anymore. Wow. So sudden. Um, were not about to have the we need Life Insurance conversation again, are we . No, were having the were getting coverage so we dont have to worry about it conversation. So youre calling about the 9. 95 a month plan from Colonial Penn . I am. We put it off long enough. We are getting that 9. 95 plan, today. jonathan is it time for you to call about the 9. 95 plan . Im jonathan from Colonial Penn Life Insurance company. Sometimes we just need a reminder not to take today for granted. 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He has lived in this country the United States since childhood and he had a work permit. The Trump Administration tried to deport him before, but was stopped in december by a congressman and Haitian Group alliance. The congressmans staff told by pieruless he was expected to be transferred to a home in the state of new york but something very different happened. According to congressman jones at 3 00 a. M. My staff woke up to an urgent call. Suddenly i. C. E. Was set to deport Paul Pierrilus to haiti. There was nothing we could do to stop it. I. C. E. Did not return a request for comment. He is in haiti for the first time in his life despite President Bidens deportation moratorium. A federal judge in texas blocked that order but theres no legal requirement to start Scheduling Deportations again, but that didnt seem to matter to i. C. E. Congressman jones noted today i. C. E. Is a rogue agency. With the help of rightwing operatives on the federal bench, i. C. E. Is choosing to ignore the president s moratorium. I didnt just happen once. In recent days i. C. E. Deported to at least three countries, 15 people to jamaica on thursday. This kind of freelancing one would think would stop now that theres a new secretary of Homeland Security sworn in a few hours ago. It is his job to not just restrain an agency thats acting with few restraints but reimagine an agency too often the tip of the spear for magaism. Coming up, a call for accountability as aoc recounts the terrifying experience at the capitol and the signs that violence was expected on january 6th. Thats next. Nearly a month assault on the capitol the people who attacked the people who attacked the building and american democracy are still identified and apprehended. Remember this guy in the fur lined hat we saw using a helmet to smash a window . There were members of congress on the other side of that door. He is facing federal charges. And do you remember the lady with the pink hat and bullhorn telling rioters where to go . He is rachel powell, a 40yearold mother of 8 from Western Pennsylvania who is apparently still on the lam but did give a twohour Telephone Interview to the new yorker. As they experience consequences from their actions many of the would be revolutionaries are blaming donald trump. The history of this violent plot does not start with the speech that day or the election laws. Donald trump and the Republican Party have been cultivating this wing of the party for a very long time. Mitch mcconnell says Majorie Taylor greenes loony lies are a cancer on the gop it is a bit late for that. Two years ago greene was just another rightwing activist urging the kind of action that sounds a heck a lot like what we saw on the capitol. In a video posted before she announced she was running for congress, greene called on supporters to flood the Capitol Building in a protest against leaders telling them the democratic lawmakers should fear us. Last night in a raw and candid Instagram Live interview congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez talked about what it was like to be on the Receiving End of that exact type of strategy. A week before, one week before, the week prior to the insurrection i started to get Text Messages that i needed to be careful. And that in particular i needed to be careful about the 6th. Those Text Messages came from other members of congress, not they were not threats but they were other members saying that they knew and that they were hearing even from trump people and republicans that they knew in their life that there was violence expected on wednesday. Anyone who tells you that we couldnt have seen this coming is lying to you. Anyone whos gone on the record and said that there was no indication of violence has lied. There were so many indications of this leading up to that moment. They were there on monday. There is a Grocery Store on my block, and i remember going to the Grocery Store that night and seeing all these people in, like, these maga hats and i felt tense in the Grocery Store and i guess this is just like, you know, whether youre from the bronx or New York City or queens or brooklyn, whether, from chicago, whether youre just i dont know, you have your wits about you in a rural area, you can just catch a vibe and you can kind of know a general sense of when things arent right. And things started to feel not right when i was in that Grocery Store that monday night. Two days after being in that store in washington, d. C. By where she has an apartment during when shes in session, as riots charged the capitol congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez recounted the terror banging on office doors before Finding Shelter with congresswoman katie porter. So we go into her office, and im at like a ten. Right . Im at a full ten fight or flight. Thought i was going to die like ten minutes ago, and then thought i was going to die again and outside in the hallway alone and im banging on this door and im thinking im fully expecting one of these insurrectionists to turn the corner with a gun and it would be over. People are dead because of that attack. Many more had their lives changed forever. There needs to be a reckoning with that moment. Many of the people who helped perpetrate and who take responsibility for what happened in the capitol are trying to tell us all to move on. And theyre trying to tell us to forget about what happened. Trying to tell us it wasnt a big deal. We cant move on without accountability. We cannot heal without accountability. So all of these people who want to tell us to move on are doing so at their own convenience. In just under an hour the remains of officer Brian Sicknick Capitol Police officer killed in the january th attack will arrive at the capitol to lie in honor there until tomorrow morning, full coverage of that in the next hour. First, the push to hold those responsible for the violence accountable for that violence, next. In a year of changes. Dont take chances on your taxes. Be 100 certain with jackson hewitt. Well get your taxes done right, guaranteed. These folks dont have time to go to the post office they use stamps. Com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. Do you have a Life Insurance policy you no longer need . Now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. Call Coventry Direct to learn more. 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If your constipation and belly pain keeps coming back, tell your doctor and say yesss to linzess. We knew that violence was expected on the 6th. We knew that that violence was predicated on someone telling the lie, the big lie about our elections. We knew all of this in advance. And these senators, ted cruz, josh hawley, knew that it was the lie, and they knew that these violent people needed the lie. And they chose because they thought it would be politically advantageous to them, they chose to tell the lie. Congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez pointing out the clear responsibility of the politicians who cynically stoked the motivating lie for the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol. A short time ago she again called for cruz to resign for having deliberately and knowingly amplified specific lies fueling violent attackers. More on what inspired the mob, im joined by nbc news Investigative Reporter brandy, nancy, a writer for pro publica. Ac, let me start with you. There have been radical extremists, you know, for a long time. On the rightwing, we have the Militia Movement and timothy mcveigh. I have noticed in the last few years as a political reporter and internet spaces, this idea of Political Violence, a second civil war, you come for us and see whos armed, growing more and more mainstream and more common. What have you found in your reporting . Yeah, absolutely. I think that you see a whole spectrum of sort of far right characters that goes from the Boogaloo Boys who generally identify as libertarians and are absolutely prepping for a new civil war or violent revolt, to outfits like the proud boys who are kind of Ultra Nationalist street gang, to the qanon conspiracy theorists, to the Militia Types like the oath keepers who are there at the capitol. Theyre all talking about civil war. And its also, brandy, that its not just like, so all those groups are people that are political identities kind of revolve around Political Violence, but the Qanon Mythology is that in the end, a bunch, thousands of people are executed as traitors. It is fundamentally a violent fantasy that the people in that movement are engaged in. Yeah. The Qanon Community is often laughed at, but i always like to remind people, it is underpinned by an extremely dangerous idea of modern blood libel that targets jewish people, and its also the basic idea of it is that there will be a storm, a judgment day, where their perceived political enemies, hollywood actors, people that have eaten pizza before, are all sort of marched out and executed publicly. Its incredibly dangerous. And its radicalized many, Many Americans. We saw a large contingent of qanon people at the rally on the 6th, and were learning from documents unsealed in federal and local court cases now from the rally that a lot of these people are qanon people. What do you think, ac, is happening in terms of the rhetoric of Political Violence on the right right now in the aftermath of january 6th . Yeah. Theres kind of two interesting threads. And one is that you had a lot of groups that portrayed themselves as proLaw Enforcement. They said we back the blue. Were for the cops. And they were reluctant to engage directly with Law Enforcement violently before january 6th. On january 6th, that changed. And they have sort of joined up with the other groups that were outwardly insurrectionists and were very proarmed revolt. I think you see these two threads converging. Brandy, the Marjorie Taylor greene video that was discovered yesterday, which she is just sort of a rightwing activist, i didnt realize, everything snapped into focus, this ideation of storming the capitol, of people taking over the capitol, and their physical presence and the menace of the possibility of violence being a tool of influence, which is explicitly stated in that video two years ago, i guess i didnt realize that was a thing, that that was a concept that was sort of in this subculture. That video was really on the nose, even for this timeline. But yeah, we have to remember, this sort of like bubbling of violence from the radical right, which would definitely include someone like alex jones light, who is Marjorie Taylor greene, its been bubbling. We all remember like the journalist rope tree tshirt we saw at trump rallies in 2016. We remember the violence that was happening at trump rallies. You take a large group of people and you feed them disinformation, and you put them in online spaces, and this is what we get. I mean, we have been telling this story of the radicalization of americans and their planning, organizing, radicalizing, and then jumping off the wires and into the streets all summer. We told it with militias that were harassing and targeting black lives Matter Movement people. We told it with the Boogaloo Boys who were shooting Police Officers over the summer and planning a second civil war. We have shown it with qanon. We have been telling these stories all year. So it wasnt a surprise to me to see that video, although it was strangely fitting. Ac, theres two ways i can imagine the january 6th reverberating. One is a Propaganda Victory for some of these groups. Others are alienating. There are some people who are sort of day trippers who are freaked out now by what happened there. I wonder how you think this goes from here. My honest and worried prediction is that there will be an Act Of Mass Casualty terrorism over the next year and that we need to be prepared for that. We shouldnt be totally paranoid, but we need to be prepared. There are a lot of people who seek to do harm to this nation. And its very easy in this country to get a gun or build a for being with me tonight. I really appreciate it. That is all in on this tuesday night. Brian sicknicks family is there at the Capitol Rotunda tonight. We expect President Biden to appear in the rotunda shortly. To honor officer Brian Sicknick who was murdered in the invas