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Stolen. He amplified these lies at every turn, seeking to convince supporters that they were victims of a massive electoral conspiracy that threatened the nations continued existence, but every single court to consider the president s attacks on the outcome of the election rejected them and state and federal officials from both parties refuse President Trumps increasingly desperate demands that they break the law to keep him in power. With his options running out, trump announced a save america rally. It was an january 6th. He promised it would be, quote, wild. Each of those facts cited by House Democrats is indisputably true. Goes on to draw on Donald Trumps exact words at the january 6th rally. Words we can just play for you because trump said them publicly in front of cameras. We won this election and we won it by a landslide. Were going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed and were not going to stand for that. Were going to walk down to the capitol and were going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and were probably not going to be cheering so much some of them because youll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. And if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore. Were going to try to give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country, so lets walk down pennsylvania avenue. I want to thank you all, god bless you, and god bless america. And we all know what happened next. Donald trump and his attorneys filed their response to the Impeachment Charge against trump. Their argument centers mainly on process points. Claiming that its unconstitutional to impeach a president once hes out of office. Well work to debunk that in a moment but first, their arguments on substance, especially the words uttered publicly by their client are interesting too. What appears to be the very best they could come up with. Quote. It is denied that the phrase if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore had anything to do with the action at the capitol. As it was clearly about the need to fight for election security, what . Thats not how the insurrectionists took trumps words all all. Watch. Were going to walk down to the capitol. Were going to walk down to the capitol. Capitol building. Take the capitol. Take the capitol take the capitol. Take the capitol right now. And this complicates the defense lawyers case too. So we all know now that donald trump went home and watched the insurrection unfold on live tv for hours and hours and hours. Didnt even take calls. And he never rushed to twitter to clarify, whoa, whoa, wait, my supporters misunderstood me. He never addressed the American People as president until much, much later. Until much of the damage was already done hours after the capitol was breached and even then, he told the insurrectionists he quote, loved them. The case against donald trump with some of our favorite friends. Dan goldman, lead counsel during the democrats first impeachment as well as former assistant u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york. Now lucky for us an msnbc impeachment analyst. You need one nowadays. Cofounder and then elizabeth newman, Threat Prevention at the department of Homeland Security now director of the republican Accountability Project is also here. Dan goldman, let me ask you about the case made by the house Impeachment Managers first and then well get to what seems like some silliness on the president s legal team. Start with the case laid out by the Impeachment Managers today. I thought they did an excellent job of putting everything that weve been talking about in bits and pieces throughout the last couple of weeks into a very impactful and persuasive brief. Ultimately, its not just about january 6th. That was the culmination of a months long effort to overthrow the election and in the end, january 6th was the final fuse that lit the bomb so to speak but donald trump had been planning for this rally for a long time. His supporters had been eyeing it. Hotels in washington, dc closed down well in advance because they understood that violent protesters were going to come to washington, dc for no good reason and the house, i think, did a very good job of linking all of this together. Linking the ravnsberger call and saying it was going to be wild with the statements he and others made on january 6th and as you rightly point out, nicole, his inaction after the rioting began, i think, is the most telling evidence as to what his State Of Mind was and what his expectation was for his words that day. Dan goldman, i dont want to spend a ton of time on the defense because i think in a real court of law, im not sure they mount statements like this because theyre demonstrably false but let me read some of them. It is denied that President Trump intended to interfere with the counting of electoral votes. So the problem is their client blows that one up. Let me show you some of donald trump on january 6th talking about exactly what he wants mike pence to do on the day that they were counting the electoral votes, which his lawyers say he didnt intend to interfere with. Watch. I hope mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. Because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. I mean, what he wants pence to do and he said it in georgia what he wants pence to do is exactly what the lawyers deny that he wanted pence to interfere with the counting of the electoral votes and the insurrectionists stormed into the mob Chanting Hang mike pence because by the time they breached the capitol, he hadnt done what trump directed him to do. I hope mike pence does the right thing. Is there any consequence for the lawyers lying, dan goldman . No. Theres no judge to rule them in contempt, theres no judge to prohibit any of these arguments. If we were in a court of law, their argument about the unconstitutionality of this trial and their argument about somehow Donald Trumps speech being protected by the First Amendment would both not be permitted to be used against a jury but of course, nicole, we are not in a court of law. We are in the Senate Chamber and anything goes. And they are looking for anything that 37 republicans or 34 republican senators can glob on to to avoid actually addressing the conduct and ill give you my favorite example of what their defense is. And i think last night on television, one of trumps lawyers said, oh no. Hes not guilty of inciting the insurrection because the insurrection had already been planned before his speech. It is absolutely amazing that that article, in effect what hes saying is, no, Donald Trumps conduct was even worse than we expected but it wasnt a technical term of the article of impeachment. What hes saying is that donald trump has actually conspired with the protesters to interfere with the capitol but thats not what hes charged with, only charged with inciting them. Its unbelievable. Steve schmidt, i think that one of the mistakes the media covering the first impeachment made was to constantly push it through a political filter and through that political filter, the republican senators, jurists were fact immune and they so much as admitted it after the fact. I think this time, this impeachment is really not about politics. Trumps out. Hes basically deplatformed, but there is a Homeland Security crisis that in some ways he brought in to full view by revealing what the New York Times started reporting on pretty aggressively, ties between republicans, sitting republican members of congress and domestic terrorists and white militia groups. Im wondering if you think these republicans seem to do, through their inaction, what donald trump did in his debate with joe biden. Basically telling the militias and domestic terrorists to stand back and stand by, were not going to touch trump. If that happens, if there is no accountability imposed for the inciters along with the incited who committed acts of violence, who, for the first time in American History since 1797, bloodied the peaceful transfer of power, thats what they did. The capitol fell to those men and women. They tore down the american flag, raised the maga flag. If theres not accountability, this will happen again and there will be Political Violence in this country. This was a crowd that was filled with White Supremacists, with white nationalists, extremists, militias, neonazis, proud boy fascists, and this group thats being arrested all over the country was incited. They were incited by trump. They were incited by hawley, cruz, the big lie that the election was stolen and during the months where that lie was propagated as it spread around the country by donald trump, by fox news and news max and oan, the consequence of that was the poisoning of democracy and the attack. The attack where the capitol of the United States fell for a period of hours to violent insurrectionists who tore down our flag and raised the maga flag. You know, steve, it seems like this vote isnt even about staying in the good favor of the trump base. This is about whether or not you want trump to take over and lead the party again in four years because the notion that that isnt the clear intention, thats what this vote seems to be about and i think if youve got Mitch Mcconnell speaking out now about the qanon character in the house and youve got liz cheney under, i think, a pushback that may not have been anticipated that i think people thought she was safe as a House Republican could be. Shes now got matt gates and all the trumpists in her district attacking her. What do you think this vote is about about whether to convict donald trump . Its about whether theyll be faithful to their Oath Of Office and theyll be faithful to their oath as jurors. If they will consider the facts or theyve decided to nullify the evidence by placing their loyalty to a man, trump, above their oath. And most of them have done that and have continued to do that for some time now, but thats fundamentally what this is about. You know, look in the end, liz cheney is the leader of the democracy caucus, a minority of House Republicans. Kevin mccarthy is the leader of the autocracy caucus. Matt gates said that donald trump is the forever leader of the Republican Party and declared him the leader of the America First movement which likely last movement is a fascistic movement. Donald trump is of course in control of the Republican Party. The Qanon Movement is in control of multiple republican state parties. The walls have been breached. Mitch mcconnell tried to ride the tiger for a very long time. He thought that he could maneuver his way through this. But the insanity that has let loose that did not face any resistance has now consumed Republican Party. Thats what this vote means. You know, elizabeth, as sort of the student of extremism and counterextremism, ive been so drawn to your analysis of what extremists here in our politics and with all the reporting about ongoing threat, the federal Law Enforcement, the dhs issued a bulletin extending through april 31st warning of an ongoing threat from domestic violent terrorists associated with the insurrection of the capitol. What would the acquittal over the incitement of the insurrection, how would that be read by the extremists themselves, elizabeth . Its likely to further embolden them, that there is at least a willingness on the right for them to continue to associate politically and just be encouraged by rightwing movement or figure heads. Put another way, if he is impeached and they actually convicted him, the impact that that has is for the, i think its an estimated 57 Million People that still believe that the election was stolen, 57 million of his voters, if you convict, then theres this opportunity to educate and inform the 57 million that in fact, he lied to you. The election was not stolen but that has to come from voices that they were listening to. It is sadly not this show or my voice, its not steves voice. It has to come from the people that voted for trump, in large part, the Elected Officials that represent in congress. If they would come out and say he lied to you. I lied to you. I am sorry for that, the election was not stolen. What that does is shrinking the 57 million down to a much more tangible or a number that Security Forces could actually handle because i think, and again, im not saying 57 million would radicalize to violence but some small percentage of them will be vulnerable to neonazis. Theyre actively recruiting them. Im reading online postings of neonazis and proud boys, theyre giving instructions with how to go about approaching a disheartened qanon adherent. Heres how you talk to them and encourage them to move away from the gop and into this fascist third way that they describe. That is a very frightening thing that when you have 57 million americans who are very angry that their government is not legitimate because it was, the election was stolen from them, they could be prey for these Extremist Groups. So if we do not debunk this lie through the impeachment process, we are likely to see increases in recruitment and increases to violence. If you insert doubt into that Information Cycle that the conservative infotainment, it wont reduce everything but violence in the next few months but maybe not as much. To hear well still have violence you fear in the next few months, i mean, what is your Threat Assessment of the chances or propensity for violence around the Impeachment Trial next week, elizabeth . Well, i think that the Law Enforcement notification, the bulletin, the fact that the capitol has this massive and i could be wrong and i hope im not. My bigger concern would be as we start seeing more gatherings, those are targets for extremists. Theyre looking for civil war and opportunities to accelerate the societal collapse and january 6th was a victory for them, a symbolic call to arms that now is the time we can actually do it and have this civil war overthrow the u. S. Government and establish our white nation. So the violence is still going to be there. We need to shrink the number of people that are associating with these. Dan goldman, what is your advice to the Impeachment Manager on how much to make what elizabeth is talking about and steve about the ongoing threat that the extremist elements inside the gop now present, how much do you think that should be an emphasis in terms of the damage done by trumps Big Lie In Incitement of the insurrection . Well, theres a combination of things. Adam shiff with why conviction was so important. It played out worse than he could have ever feared with what has been going on right now. But the idea of sending a message to the extremists, to donald trump, future Elected Officials and to the International Community that the United States will not accept this type of antidemocratic violent behavior and this runs counter to our fundamental values, so i do think that they will spend some time stressing the impact of the senators votes. It didnt work last time. Thank you both so much for starting us off. Elizabeth is sticking around. When we come back, we now know where Mitch Mcconnells line is. Mcconnell slamming the anon member of the house. Four years of aiding and abetting trumps overtaking of the gop, well ask one of his former colleagues with mcconnells stand is too little, too late. Bob corker who early on remarked publicly that trump lacked fitness for the office he held will be our guest and alexandria ocasiocortez known for her polished and precise terms in hearings and interviews gets very raw and very personal about the attack on the capitol and explains why she thought she was going to die. All those stories and more when Deadline White House continues after this. Dont go anywhere. No dad, its a video call. You got to move the phone in front of you like. Like its a mirror, dad. You know . Alright, okay. Hows that . Is that how you hold a mirror . 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Even though mcconnell doesnt mention greene by name, she got the message loud and clear firing back with a tweet, quote, the real cancer for the Republican Party is weak republicans who only know how to lose gracefully. This is why were losing our country. If Marjorie Taylor greene seems undeterred is because this is what Republican Leadership has been up to. House Republican Leaders in the last week have been mostly silent as pressure mounted to respond to the cascade of ms. Greenes problematic social media posts and videos that have surfaced in the last week in which she endorsed an array of Conspiracy Theories and violent behaviors including executing democratic leaders. At the same time, weighing calls within the ranks by former loyalists to strip representative liz cheney the number three republican of her leadership post as punishment for her vote to impeach mr. Trump. Joining our conversation, msnbc political analyst, gibbs and then elizabeth still here. Robert gibbs, im happy, i guess is the right word, to see mcconnell find some religion, but im shattered by the cowardice that put all of this in motion because its too late right now. The Republican Party is now indiscernible from extremists and qanon. Yeah, absolutely. This is a little akin to building a fence long after the horse has left the barn. I think what Senator Mcconnell is doing is putting a decent amount of pressure on congresswoman mccarthy, as they go into the 2022 elections where they think they can gain the majority, that Marjorie Taylor greene doesnt become the defining caricature of the Republican Party. I think Mitch Mcconnell has flashbacks from 2010 and 2012 when as many as four senate seats slipped through his grasp in colorado, nevada, missouri and indiana because they nominated candidates that were far out on the fringe and even in conservative states, democrats could win because they could position themselves as the only candidate left inside the mainstream. I want to show you how thats going to play out in the future campaigns. This is the ad telling mccarthy and seven vulnerable republican lawmakers to qanon. Qanon, a Conspiracy Theory born online. Took over the Republican Party. Sent followers to congress and with donald trump, incited a mob that attacked the capitol and murdered a cop. Then trump and republicans in congress sided with the violent qanon mob, minority leader Kevin Mccarthy should have stood with us but he was a coward, voted to protect trump. Leader Kevin Mccarthy stood with the q, not you. Its all out there. Im surprised this ad wasnt put together sooner. It is all out there and the fact theres Hand Wringing about who to side with, liz cheney. Theres no Story Suspense anymore in where the Republican Party is going. This is exactly what happened at the capitol. Its different when you warn of something that might happen and then turn on your tv and see that it isnt and it is happened in a way that has left all of surprised, even those that understood this could, making that and replacing those images that warning with those real images has crystallized in peoples minds that they have to take action and at least that enough has spurred Mitch Mcconnell to begin to try to do something. Elizabeth, i want to read you something that my former colleague in the Bush White House wrote today in the Washington Post. Writes this. Some have adopted a very different political philosophy than the founders held. This approach to government promises the recovery of mythical past. Emphasizes emotion over reason, denigrates experts and expertise, slanders outsiders and blames them for social and economic ills. It warns of global plots by jews and shadowy elites. It accepts the lies of a leader as a deeper truth and praises law and order while reserving the right to disobey the law and overturn the political order through violence. This is a reality i have resisted naming. The 45th president and significant portion of his supporters have embraced american fascism. What do you think . I think mike got it spot on. Ive been reading through a book by an Extremism Expert that talks about mainstreaming of extremist thought and how over the last decade, weve seen things that used to be relegated to the farright fringes become a normal part of conversations on the right. This book was written before january 6th, and in many ways, what we saw happen physically on january 6th, the organized Extremist Groups in person with their flags. They have an identity. But intermingled with them, qanon, this amorphous group, some of which, there are adherents that committed acts of violence In The Name Of that ideology, so in the sense, in nature but then you had Trump Supporters and theyre all physically there intermingling with each other and kind of is a representation of what has happened on the right. So if you ascribe, if you say youre a republican anymore, the vision that the bulk of us in this country have is what happened on january 6th. Now, that doesnt necessarily mean you had to storm the capitol but just being in the same venue, in the same place protesting alongside White Supremacists and violent extremists. What does is that say . And i have to say, when i read mcconnells statement, im with you, its better than nothing but he describes it like a cancer. It looks like stage four cancer in the way we deal cancer in this country, early screening and cutting it out before you get to stage four. He had multiple opportunities to address this and he thought he could handle it and im sorry, when you are faced with evil, you have to denounce evil. If that overwhelms any sort of political calculation that you have, and so in many ways, i think the republicans are dealing with all of now six years of complicity with trump. This is the party. And i think there are people that dont want the party to be this way. Thats a separate conversation when you do with the relatively small remnant that rejects the Conspiracy Theories and the violent extremism, but we cant deny. This is what the party is at this point. Robert gibbs, i never ask questions about what the democrats should do from a place theres any deficiency in the democratic response but now its from the place theres only one functioning Political Party. The other one is now, as elizabeth just articulated indiscernible and not offended by Conspiracy Theorists in the ranks and for ones in congress on 9 11 to sit shoulder to shoulder and Share Committee assignments with this woman is something i cant wrap my brain around, but i wonder what you think democrats can do to flip the label. I mean, republicans have described democrats as the radical left. There really is a radical party in this country that isnt the left, its the right. Yeah, absolutely. I think if youre a democratic strategist, having a conversation with democratic senators, it is to focus on what has to get done in this country. I think the juxtaposition of dealing with Conspiracy Theories and jewish space lasers starting forest fires with a focus on making sure we get vaccine in peoples arms and an economy open again and a sense of normalcy in your everyday life, i would think thats a pretty good juxtaposition to take into an election in two years. 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Leadership is not just simply reflecting peoples darkest fears back at them like has been done for the last decade or two. Its actually inspiring people to a better future. Its been this qanon, stolen election garbage that has reflected back to people and were paralyzed to criticize it because, gosh, weve got to have those votes for the next election but start asking people. The next election for what so that we can be in office and peddle Conspiracy Theories again, so that we have to be beholden to proud boys . No, you know what . They can leave and if it costs us an election, great. Well, he said it. Republican congressman adam kinzenger. Steady stream of revelations about Extremist Lawmakers like Marjorie Taylor greene and the majority of the gop Senate Voting even against holding a trial for donald trump. Can the party be saved and should it be . Joining us now, former republican senator bob corker of tennessee. I have wanted to talk to you since youve showed up at an event in your state and looked like it pained you to say it, he hasnt displayed the fitness for the office you held and what did you mean then and did you see this coming . Good to be with you. Took a two year sabbatical after leaving the senate two years ago, january 3rd and except i did step back after the election. Good to be with you. Look, im in turn the page mode. Weve been through all that weve been through and as adam was mentioning earlier, i really think weve got to start focusing on Policy Issues and moving ahead. You know, as you know, having served in the white house, when you have the leader of the party being a certain way, the party unfortunately can adopt that way and thats no longer the case. The Standard Bearer for the democrats is President Joe Biden but the republicans dont have one. Its time to have a debate about who we really are and talk about Policy Issues instead of reliving things that arent true, Conspiracy Theories. It is amazing to me how many people believe these things. I still cannot believe that i have friends who are hard working thoughtful people that believe some of the things that have been put out, but hopefully, as we move away, well get back to a place that you recognize and i recognize that is talking about where were going to go as a country and without a Standard Bearer, that means theres going to be a debate. I was in the white house and i was in the white house the last time in the nations capitol area, attacked with a terrorist attack, flew planes into the pentagon and push you, how do you do Counterterror Policy with a member in the gop caucus who doesnt believe in that attack or this one . Yeah, i mean, thats probably, that person is probably not too influenceable and i dont know that person. That person is not so far from here. Not far down the road, but look, i think when people, over time, people marginalize themselves by saying things that are just too crazy to believe. You know, the world is flat or whatever, and i guess there are some people who still believe that, but look, they marginalize themselves and the party moves on to more thoughtful people who are actually talking about real issues that the American People need to be dealing with. Which is not quite there, were not quite there. Go ahead. I was going to ask you. People like liz cheney, theres a legitimate and robust Policy Debate to be had with liz cheney if youre a democrat and you disagree with her Foreign Policy views but the republicans are looking at punishing her for the votes and the statements. That doesnt seem like turning the page from the trump era. Yeah, no it doesnt and there are some people that are going to hang on, showing as much fulity with favor by our former president but i think that dissipates over time. I really hope that it does. I know yall were talking about Senator Mcconnell earlier. Actually, ive been heartened by the things that have been said recently in defense of liz cheney, John Barrasso doing the same thing and the fact is those are tough votes to make for people. They take courage to make and everybody has to form their own opinion about what to do, but, you know, we dont march in lock step. You remember president bush, some people disagreed with what he was doing but they werent outcasts. They werent thrown out of the party for having, not following him in lock step. I disagree with a few things. Weve moved to a place where its all about personality. Weve just never been in that place before. Weve been about fiscal issues and leadership in the world and we may disagree on a policy, its going to take a while to get there but thats where we have got to go as a country because personality, worshipping personality as we have seen is dangerous for our country. Our democracy is more fragile than we ever anticipated and weve got to move to a more mature understanding of what politics is about. Its about policy, not about some person always being right when we know many times they were actually telling untruths. Did you vote for joe biden . No, i didnt vote for President Trump and i didnt vote for joe biden. I couldnt vote for President Trump just because of all the things that have been said. But i didnt like the policies that i know joe biden would put out. I like him. I served on the Foreign Relations committee when he was chairman. His life story, his truly remarkable, like him as a person but the policies would be different. So i wrote in a senators name who i thought had conducted themselves best throughout all of this and i wish joe biden well, but i just couldnt go there with the policies that i knew were going to be put forward. You talked about having friends that are good people who believe mistruths. I have family and friends who believe them too. How much responsibility does fox news and the conservative Media Echo Chamber have for what your friends and mine believe . You know, i think, as you know, what happens after about 7 00 on all of the channels, you know, it seems it becomes more opinion, right . And i think that, you know, people, i put the responsibility no doubt on all of the channels who focus on an audience as a business model, but i do tell people its their responsibility to understand and to be educated and not to just read something on social media or see a tweet and believe it to be true. Thats the part thats been fascinating to me and, you know, we had someone over at our house yesterday. Ill be honest, and i wasnt there but, you know, theres just so much, i dont know where people get their information. I mean, part of living in a democracy is having the responsibility to understand enough about the issues to actually have an opinion and whats happened, unfortunately, nicole, is the media is not trusted and so when a president tweets out things and they dont trust the media anyway, people begin to believe things, but put aside, this is a thing thats tough for me. Put aside whether you thought the election shouldnt have been mailin ballots in certain states and all of that. Move beyond some of the concerns people had about the election, and we do need to do a better job in that regard and it needs to be much prompted as far as getting results. But then to say that for people to believe that congress could overturn an election and people believe that or that Vice President pence could overturn an election, i mean, im sorry, thats like basic civics that maybe in about the sixth grade or seventh grade, eighth grade. Those things cant happen, so, you know, if were going to thrive as a democracy for hundreds of years, it is the responsibility of citizens to actually know a little bit more about whats going on and not just take what people are saying at face value. Many of these people, as you know, most of these people, hardworking americans who care about our country who followed an untruth to a place and lets face it, legislators gave them reason to believe by saying they were going to object to the election but legislators gave them belief and that was irresponsible, but anyway, im ready to move on to where were going as a country and the Republican Party being the party of fiscal issues and Economic Growth and leadership in the world and building alliances and appropriate immigration and i hope thats where were going to return. Senator, i am interested in those things too. Ive given up on the dream that you can work toward those issues with all the disinformation, so im going to put you on the spot and ask you to come back. It sounds like your friends and my friends are getting their information from some of the same sources and i think you are still in the senate when Russian Disinformation was such, my former colleague General Hayden described it as a political 9 11. The Russian Disinformation attack. We have our home grown disinformation and love to pick up on that next time were lucky enough to have on our air. If i could, all of these fishers created, people are out there with other countries, exacerbating those, which is all the more reason people need to get their information from reliable sources. Thank you so much and have a great day. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Senator bob corker, thank you for spending some time with us. Up next for us, with impeachment just a week away, we could be reliving some of the stories and images of the capitol hill attack all over again. For alexandria ocasiocortez, she says we cant ignore and move on from that day. Those who should do it for their own convenience. Well bring you her own words next. Own convenience. Well bring you her own words next are you managing your diabetes. Using fingersticks . With the new freestyle Libre 2 System, a continuous glucose monitor, you can check your glucose with a painless, onesecond scan. And now with optional alarms, you can choose to be notified if you go too high or too low. And for those who qualify, the freestyle Libre 2 System is now covered by medicare. Ask your doctor for a prescription. You can do it without fingersticks. Learn more at freestyle libre 2 dot u. S. Never run dry of. Killer attitude. Or hydration. Neutrogena® hydro boost. The 1 Hyaluronic Acid Moisturizer delivers 2x the hydration for supple, bouncy skin. Neutrogena®. And i just hear, where is she . Where is she . And this was the moment where i thought everything was over. I mean, i thought i was going to die. All of these people who want to tell us to move on are doing so at their own convenience. These are the same tactics of abusers. And im a survivor of Sexual Assault and i havent told many people that in my life. But when we go through trauma, trauma compounds on each other. You do not see that very often in American Public life, let alone in American Politics. Bravo to congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez for opening up with an incredibly personal and gripping and powerful account of the capitol attack. The insurrection. Comparing calls from her republican colleagues to move on to tactics deployed by abusers, familiar to Sexual Assault victims like herself, as she said there. Her deeply moving explanation of the days events, in which she describes hiding in a bathroom and mistaking a Capitol Police officer who she says was angry and hostile with her for a rioter. Joining us now, democratic congresswoman Linda Sanchez of california, who we spoke with on this program as that day unfolded. You have stuck with me every day that i have covered this, that the night before the insurrection you called your husband and told him where your will was and i know weve spoken since but i saw you tweeted today youre still reeling and i wanted to start by asking you how youre doing. Yeah, thank you for asking. It was traumatic, and i think what people dont understand is, you know, members of congress who experienced that, were still picking up the pieces. Were still trying to process it. Were still trying to heal ourselves, and were getting all this pressure from everybody to do this, do that, you should be doing this, you should be doing that, or just get over it, get beyond it, and what people dont understand is you have to process it. You have to heal. You have to, in order to move on, feel like somebody takes responsibility for what happened, and that there is accountability for what happened. Otherwise, you really cant heal and move on, and it is, as my colleague said, you know, a tactic that abusers use. They abuse you. Youre hurting, youre reeling, and they cavalierly say, well, just move on, lets forget about it and move on. You cannot move on without healing, and you cannot heal without that sense of accountability. What do you hear from your republican counterparts, save for the ten that voted with democrats in the bipartisan impeachment of donald trump . Is it denial . Is it political pressure . Why isnt this an all against insurrection moment for the congress . Thats what i dont understand because i will tell you, in those moments of that insurrection, the mob was not defining who was a democrat versus who was a republican. They were coming for all of us. All of us could have lost our lives that evening. And they specifically were looking for Vice President pence, who is a republican. I mean, the crowd was not discriminating, and had they breached that chamber with the members in it, i can tell you there would have been casualties on both sides of the aisle. I can not fathom why i have colleagues, republican colleagues, who refuse to denounce those actions, who refuse to stand up and hold the president that incited these people to account. It escapes me why they would continue to repeat these lies unless, a, they dont live in reality, b, its politically expedient for them and for their own wishes of power to deny what happened, or c, theyre nihilists and they just dont care what happens. But any way you look at it, it is frightening. It is tense, having to work with people that you feel like dont want to acknowledge what happened or denounce it in any way. And you know, as i laid as you know, huddled in my office in the dark with a baseball bat in my hand and the door barricaded, you know, waiting to see if these, you know, rioters and, you know, secessionists and, you know, insurrectionists would reach me, i thought to myself, there is no way that our president should get any glory for inciting hate and insurrection, and as i sat there, i vowed that i would introduce a bill, and i have, that would prohibit anything that has a penny of federal money in it from being named after him, and it would also strip him of all of the benefits and honors that former president s get so he would not get a Travel Budget or a staff budget or a pension, because you cannot be a traitor to democracy in country and profit from it, in my view. And the white house has said that theyre reviewing whether or not he should still receive any sort of even limited intelligence briefings, so he is certainly leaving office in a way that no one else has. Congresswoman Linda Sanchez, youve added so much to our understanding of the events of that day. Were really grateful to you. Thank you. Thank you so much for keeping on this. Its important. Of course. So important. The next hour of Deadline White House starts after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Were just Getting Started. Eak. Dont go anywhere. Were just Getting Started missi the ink dad dad im so hosed. Yeah, you are. shaq the Epson Ecotank printer. No more cartridges. It comes with an incredible amount of ink that can save you a lot of trips to the store. Get ready for the deans list. Whos dean . The Epson Ecotank. Just fill and chill. So, you have a birthday coming up . Yeah. How old are you going to be in is nine. Are you hoping to get anything for your birthday . Yeah. What do you think youre going to get or what do you want to get, buddy . My dad. You want to get your dad for your birthday. That would be a nice present, huh, bud . Yeah. Hi again, everyone. Its 5 00 in the east. It was one of, if not the cruellest and most disturbing chapters of the Trump Presidency, ripping migrant families apart under Zero Tolerance policy and keeping children in cages. Over the course of the policy, nearly 3,000 families were separated at the border, and more than 500 of those children are still not reunited with their families. Just moments from now, President Biden will sign three executive actions to address immigration and begin to fix what one Administration Official called a moral failing. The first action will establish a task force that will reunite the children still separated from their parents. That task force will be chaired by the newly confirmed secretary of Homeland Security, alejandro mallorcas. He was confirmed this afternoon. President bidens other Immigration Executive Action will evaluate programs currently in place, coordinate the federal governments strategy to promote integration and inclusion of immigrants. The new white house has stressed the need for Immigration Reform after four years of amoral practices and is taking a comprehensive look at what needs to be changed. From the Washington Post reporting, quote, Biden Officials said they have a plan to transform the Migration Dynamics along the Mexican Border by addressing root causes of immigration from Central America and helping vulnerable groups find safe refuge closer to home. The administration also plans to restore a program allowing minors to apply to legally reunite with parents already living in the u. S. Instead of risking a dangerous journey with a smuggler. President bidens focus on returning to humanity as it tackles the tricky issues of Immigration Stands in stark contrast to trumps policy where the cruelty of them was the point. Trumps main immigration focus, of course, building a wall across the southern border, one he wanted painted black with little prickly things on top so it would be too hot to touch and those spikes were meant to impale people that tried to get across it. Trump attempted to roll back the daca program, which allowed immigrants brought here as children to remain in the country without any fear of deportation. He essentially dismantled the system for those seeking asylum from persecution. And the Horrific Act Of Separating Young Children from their parents and keeping them in cages, the administration saw not just as a byproduct of their policies but as the policy itself, as the tool to deter more migrants from coming across our border. The undoing of trumps Immigration Practices is where we start this hour. Nbc news and msnbc correspondent Jacob Soboroff is here. Also joining us, Msnbc Contributors Eddie and yamiche alsindor. I have to start with you, jacob, because youre the person who i credit with bringing me most of the most tragic and disturbing reporting about this chapter, and i want to start with whether we know everything. I think that i. G. Report that looked into the Child Separation policy done by d. O. J. Came out at the very end of trumps presidency. It indicated a larger role for Rod Rosenstein and it described the policy as not even keeping infants who were breastfeeding together with their mothers. It said, separate them as well. Is there more are there more shoes to drop on just how awful trumps policies were, or do we know what were dealing with . What we dont know is whos going to be held accountable. I think that is by far the most important question here in addition to how, when, and where the families that were tortured in the words of physicians for human rights, will be given relief. And so, while we have reports from inspectors general of Homeland Security and health and Human Services and now the department of justice, as you said, nicole, we dont know much beyond what weve heard today from the white house. We know that all of the families who remain separated will be searched for and offered the opportunity to reunite. But what we dont know is what about the families that were separated, tortured, sent back to their home countries and remain there today with their children . They have the same trauma, the same impact, the same cruelty perpetrated upon them by the Trump Administration as the rest of the separated families, and i hope well get some clarity today when the president signs the Executive Order in the oval office in a matter of minutes. It is a day for the history books. It has been over three years since the Trump Administration first started systematically, deliberately, and cruelly taking children away from their parents. But after all that time, we still do not know how far this administration is willing to go in order to rectify what i think universally can be described as one of the most horrific chapters in modern American History. I want to ask you what the groups and what your sources on this story over the last three years think of todays actions. Do they describe them as a good first step . What do they think about what President Biden is expected to announce today . I think that theres a lot of cautious optimism, but i think that there is a lot of deep concern at the same time, that this isnt going to go far enough. How much of a pivot is this away from the cruelty that weve been talking about for three years at this point . Four years, if you go back to what the president said as he declared his candidacy for the the president of the United States, President Trump, i mean. And so, while theyre looking very closely at this, i dont think that there are celebrations. In fact, i know for a fact that there are not. There are a lot of questions from advocates, from the families themselves, and from the lawyers representing them about getting more specific here from the administration, and i think it was perfectly summed up in the Briefing Room today, not a repeal but a review of Trump Administration policies, and i think folks were expecting much more than that. Yamiche, let me play some of that briefing with jen psaki, White House Press secretary, earlier today. Well watch it and talk about it on the other side. This is going to be really big news across latin america, especially in the countries where people have come from. What is the Biden Administrations message to people who may see this in the news in the next few days and think, oh, theyre changing the policy, now might be a good time to go north . Well, the message continues to be what it has been, and i appreciate you asking the questions because it is confusing as we take a lot of these steps forward. One is that this is not the time. We want to put in place an Immigration Process here that can that is humane, that is moral, that considers applications for refugees, applications for people to come into this country at the border in a way that treats people as human beings. Thats going to take some time. Its not going to happen overnight. A very careful answer there from jen psaki, and she appears to be trying to lower expectations. Thats right. Biden officials really dont want to have the message going out there there is now open borders in the United States and that americans are just welcoming people who come to the border illegally and are in some ways, theyre really worried about undocumented immigrants Coming To America and thinking the Biden Administration is going to be more lenient on the border. President obama was called the deporter in chief. His policies were seen as hardline, not as cruel as President Trump but still hard line. I think the big issue here is that biden is taking over from a president who had a policy where cruelty was the point, where separation was the point, where the deterrent was to try to torture immigrants at the border to try to get them to stop coming. The Biden Administration is saying theyre not going to do that, but they also are in some ways not saying exactly what they will do. They dont know how many children very separated. Thats a question thats still hanging in the air. Court documents say it could be around 600, white house officials tell me and other reporters a thousand, but theres a real question of what did President Trump actually do . There are reports and in my reporting i found that there wasnt on the front end all of this information gathered in order to make reuniting families easy. I remember i will never forget talking to a father who was deported without his daughter into Central America. There are all these immigrants who suffered at the hands of the United States government that really are now looking at this and saying, is this a time now where this government is going to be more lenient, and the Biden Administration is really, really being cautious about that. I think the other thing to note here is that there are thousands of immigrants that are now waiting in mexico that were Asylum Seekers that were not supposed to be sent back to mexico, and the Biden Administration is saying, we wont have people enrolled in that program again, but those same people, theyre going to have to wait a bit longer, so theres real tense and real theres a real tension here with the fact that the Biden Administration is saying they want to do something while they want to be humane, but there are also immigrants who are saying, this is urgent. Not only are we still separated from our children, but were also living in dangerous conditions that International Organizations say was not the way this should be handled. You know, eddie, it feels like its important to separate out all the aspects of the story that jacob and yamiche have to cover, and i think to focus in on the one feature of the Trump Presidency that was so completely outed by this basket of policies, which was the dehumanization of migrants, and i think yamiche just articulated an explanation for why the last three trump didnt try, but the three president s before him failed to muster bipartisan support for comprehensive Immigration Reform. George w. Bush tried with john mccain and ted kennedy. President obama tried with rubio as an ally in the senate. And trump obviously didnt try. But no one has dealt with immigration at its root level and then trump turned human beings into political pawns and took pleasure in torturing them. Thats what biden inherits, and weve spent so much time talking about what he inherited on the pandemic. What he inherited on immigration is just as dire. You know, i completely agree, and what trump did as he did in a number of different areas is he took an aspect of the debate and exaggerated, made it a caricature. There was always this element of the debate around immigration, nicole, that carried with it a certain set of assumptions about the humanity of those who were trying to make their way to the United States. So i think its important, as you rightly say, to make a couple of distinctions. We need to, i think, and theyre analytic distinctions between the moral and ethical considerations around Child Separation, around spiked walls, and the like. And what we need to do as jacob said to hold people to account, to hold the likes of Steven Miller and others, and to engage in concrete efforts to repair, to repair the damage done, to respond to the ethical and moral not just lapse but the cruelty that the policy represented. And then there are the political issues that, of course, these are only analytically distinguishable. The political issue. Of course you need to distinguish your policies from the Trump Administration where cruelty was the point, as weve said. But you also need to distinguish the policy from what yamiche said. That is the obama administration, which was subject to enormous criticism by folk because there are political implications in terms of the coalition that brought biden into the white house. He needs they need the Biden Administration, inmy view, need to figure out how to change the frame around the immigration debate. If they dont, they will end up repeating some of the elements of that of the debate that have, in some ways, flummoxed three administrations as youve just laid out. Jacob, jump into this wider lens around the conversation. What is it with all of your expertise . What are the urgent actions and what is sort of the reframing and the wholistic approach thats needed . Professor glaude is 100 right. The reason donald trump was able to separate children like this is because there has been a decadeslong Immigration Enforcement system in this country held by democratic and republican president s that has dehumanized and treated migrants as something to be pushed away. Something to be scared away, something to be deterred from coming to this country. President bill clinton started it officially in the modern era with a literally with a Border Patrol policy called prevention through deterrence that made migrants take dangerous and deadly journeys through, quote, unquote hostile terrain in order to come to the country. Basically, die trying if you want to try. George w. Bush created, obviously, department of Homeland Security in the wake of 9 11, but with that, exponentially increased the size of the Border Patrol and then barack obama, it is no secret, deported more people than anyone in the history of the presidency of the United States, and so, while donald trump is gone, the underlying currents that Professor Glaude described, that have made up our Immigration Enforcement system for decades so easily enabled President Trump to torture, in the words of physicians for human rights, and commit government sanctioned child abuse, remains. So if the Biden Administration wants to have a clean departure from that, there has to be an acknowledgment of it as well. It cant just be, were going to review and tweak. It has to be a wholesale reexamination of the systemic issues, the underpinnings of the system that allowed this to be so easy for donald trump to commit, i think, what universally now is decried as unbelievably horrific. And i think, yamiche, the best evidence of that is that people who were part of the Trump Administration fear being associated with this policies as they should. For their roles in it, either by staying silent or by going along with it. Jacob and Julie Ainsley have had remarkable reporting over the years and theres a lot of it. And i wonder if that what is the impact of that on the new Biden Administration, their Homeland Security secretary, as we said, was confirmed today. Do they hit the Ground Running on offense, knowing theyre on the right side of some of these moral and ethical questions, or are they tentative about the politics . The Biden Administration comes to this with history having its eye on President Biden after what we experienced with President Trump. Lets remember that President Trump, for all the things that he did in the four years that he was in office, Family Separation in particular will go down as one of the most signature dangerous, cruel, dehumanizing things that a president has done in the history of the United States. It cannot it can be compared, in some ways, to the middle passage, separating africanamericans and throwing them across the United States. This was a policy that ripped children out of the hands of their parents and their guardians and you cant unsee the images that we saw at the border with crying children, with children in cages, with Young Children trying to care for other Young Children because their parents were kidnapped, essentially, from them. Biden now has to come in and say, im going to do this differently and he has said that hes going to do this different. He has said that hes going to look at immigrants in a way that is not dehumanizing, and i think thats going to be the policy that theyre going to try to enforce, and i think theyre going to be journalists like me and jacob and others who are saying, what is owed to these immigrants . I know weve been talking about Family Separation but the remain in mexico policy. I went down to mexico and interviewed a woman who was kidnapped along with her young daughter while being forced to remain in mexico, again, a policy that was decreed by international agencies, it was seen as inhumane and completely not part of the asylum seeking process that was illegal, essentially, in the eyes of the International Community. That woman was kidnapped. What is she now owed and how are we going to find her . These are the questions that the Biden Administration has not answered yet but these are going to be the questions at the heart of the policies, not just how are they going to tweak and change things but also what are the reparations in some ways owed to so many of these americans so many of these immigrants, rather, that were now in some ways thrown away by america, and i have to say one other thing, underscoring all of this, as we talk about this racial reckoning is xenophobia, racism, White Supremacy. When you separate brown children, especially, from their mothers, we have to ask ourselves how was that allowed to happen and what role did White Supremacy play in that . Absolutely. I mean, i think thats at the root of all of these conversations. Youre not just reducing, reversing heinous policies. Its, again, as with the extremist threat that weve all been warned about persisting through april 30th, its the danger of mainstreaming and what trump ushered in was White Supremacy, making it legitimizing it as a factor in american political life. That part of the conversation is to be continued as my dogs try to barrel into the studio. Jacob soboroff, yamiche alcindor, thanks forrtg us off. The case before donald trump means to be an american. That story next. And later, in the race against those new variants of coronavirus, Health Experts are taking critical steps right now to increase the amount of vaccine doses we have available in this country. 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The president could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States of his office and his oath to the constitution. And theyre right. No president has ever betrayed that solemn oath more than trump, but as former bush sweech writer writes, its more than a betrayal of the his oath. Its a betrayal of the core and heart of the idea that is america. He writes this. It is revealing how a Political Movement that claims to be dedicated to the recovery of National Greatness has so readily and completely abandoned many defining national ideals. Trumps promise of american strength has involved the betrayal of American Identity. Joining our conversation, ben rhodes. Eddie is still here. I have read the both sides arguments and again, the facts are not in dispute. The conduct was in full public view. And i ask you something that i asked Steve Schmidt in the last hour. What do you think is at stake in what the senate does in terms of conviction . Well, whats at stake is American Identity and american democracy. If the president of the United States can incite a violent insurrection that includes an a Mob Overrunning the u. S. Capitol and face no consequences, then how can we credibly claim to stand for Democratic Values . How can we prevent that from happening again . What accountability is there that sends a message in the future that this kind of behavior is unacceptable . I think it also speaks to what i care about, in part, which is our capacity to speak to those things around the world. You know, weve got navalny thrown in prison in russia. Weve got a coup in myanmar. We need to stand up for Democratic Values and if people see that the president of the United States can get away with essentially trying to overturn the results of a democratic election, we lose all standing to ever talk about that ever again anywhere. So, for the health of our own democracy and for the sake of what america is supposed to stand for in the world, there has to be accountability. This is a nobrainer. Its impossible to think of a more Slam Dunk Case for impeachment than the president of the United States seeking to overturn a democratic election. You know, eddie glaude, i have this sense, when the insurrection was happening, in realtime, and amid all the horror, i felt certain that the facts would get worse as days went on. And that that would give some republicans pause about being so sure about how they would vote. But i was wrong again. I mean, it shows that there is no bottom with the Republican Party, and you are never safe making a prediction that they might be something less than fact immune. But the facts that have come out are this. The New York Times reported that there are extremist ties between half a dozen republican members and rightwing militias, groups that we have been warned about. There are conspiracy charges being filed against the proud boys and other white supremacist groups. Theres instance after instance of republicans appearing with those members and i just want you to take on, as only you do, how that corruption infects the whole process. Youve now got jurors who were part of the incitement. They should be on trial too. Yeah, i mean, look, its all out in the open now, nicole. One of the interesting things about the gersen piece that you cited in the lede is that he tries to draw this hard distinction between the Barry Goldwater tendency and the reagan tendency and this fascist tendency that he names and he said, if you try to equate this, its utter nonsense, and no ones trying to equate, i think. I think part of the argument is what does it mean to play Fast And Loose with these tendencies in American History . What does it mean as a Political Party to use to appeal to white resentment and white grievance as a strategy to mobilize voters during Election Cycles . What does it mean to play with that fire . What happens when that fire expands, when it begins to consume the party . And what happens when it actually, shall we say, dove tails with an aspect of American History. Remember, theres a yale lawyer who wrote a wonderful book, an interesting book entitled hitlers american model. And he talks about the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, not the genocide, and he said that hitler looked to the United States, America First, looked at our antimiscegenation laws, our immigration laws, our second class citizen laws, looked at the ways in which we dealt with racial classification and used it as a model. So theres always that element. So, what does it mean when we play with that fire . When we play with that fire, nicole, it almost inevitably means were going to get burned, and thats what happened. Yeah, i mean, people have said theres a reason even members of the, you know, far right of the Republican Party havent played footsie with racists, and i think thats what Adam Kinzinger is trying to make clear in his statements today. Ben rhodes, i want to show you something that congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez i want to show you something from the live stream. I played some of this in the last hour but aoc is so compelling and she talks in a way that politicians dont really speak very often in American Politics, especially figures like her. Shes one of the most prominent democrats in this country. Watch and well talk about it on the other side. This is not about a difference of political opinion. This is about just, like, basic humanity, and thats what these people dont get. Because they have shown that, you know, we knew we knew that violence was we knew that violence was expected on the 6th. We knew that that violence was predicated on someone telling the lie, the big lie about our elections. We knew all of this in advance. We knew that violence was planned for the 6th. We knew that that violence depended on the lie, on someone upholding the lie that our elections were fraudulent. Lies that republican secretaries of state said were a lie, republicans had said it was a lie, republican governors had said it was a lie, you know, et cetera. So, we knew in advance that violence was planned. We knew that that violence needed someone to tell the lie. You know, her point there, that we knew, is borne out in every person that you talk to who was there, Congressman Himes told his staff to stay away. Linda congresswoman sanchez told her husband where her will was. Other members have told me on the air that they wore sneakers so they could run away from someone if they had to. I mean, where are we if they knew there would be violence, they knew it came from the lie, and republicans have already decided that they wont convict trump . We have a lot further to go as a country, nicole. You and i have talked on the show how many times about the risk of violence in those weeks after the election . And not just that. Think of all the dehumanization of alexandria ocasiocortez over the last couple of years. Not just from trump but from a lot of republicans. And think of the impact that had on that mob. No wonder she feared for her life. These are human beings. And the speed with which a lot of republicans in Congress Want to treat like an insurrection against the capitol, god forbid, the wrong person opened the door and aoc was there, do we have any doubt they would have committed acts of violence against someone like her . Of course they would have. And the speed with which they were kind of falling back into the normal rhetoric of, lets move on, as if were discussing a Government Shutdown or some typical washington debate, and not a violent insurrection that killed five people and could have killed a lot more. Its completely and utterly outrageous. And where is the empathy from her republican colleagues for the fear that she felt . Where is the concern about the fact that some of the same republicans in the house caucus might have known about some of this in advance . I mean, this is this should be a reckoning for this country. And the fact that the Republican Party cant even bring themselves to agree that the president of the United States bringing that kind of violence on members of congress is worthy of impeachment, its completely unacceptable. And i think we cannot allow it to become normalized in American Politics as just, like, another Process Story where some people argue we should move on and some people argue we should impeach him. No. If you are an american, and if you have any sense of empathy and somebody like alexandria ocasiocortez who has put up with threats and dehumanization online, we should be able to disagree without doing that to each other and were not going to be able to move forward as a country and do things together until we realize that. Ben and eddie are both staying around for obvious reasons. When we come back, we heard something today from the white house that we havent heard for the last four years, a critical statement about russia. That storys next. L statement about russia that storys next. Do we really need a sign to live, laugh, and love . Yes. The answer is no. I can help new homeowners not become their parents. Keeonoh. Nope. Coeenoah. No. Joaquin. No. It just takes practice. 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Navalny as well as the hundreds of other russian citizens wrongfully detained in recent weeks for exercising their rights. The white house is voicing its concern over the sentencing of Alexey Navalny, Vladimir Putins highestprofile critic, to more than two years in prison, standing up for democratic ideals and denouncing russia when it violates them is the kind of thing we expect to hear from our leaders in washington but not something we heard during the previous four years. Were back with ben and eddie. Youve spent time with Alexey Navalny. Just flesh out what we understand about his case, his situation, and whether or not the biden white houses hand is weakened by four years of subservience of the american president to Vladimir Putin. Well, yeah, i spoke to Alexey Navalny a few months ago at some length. Im sanctioned by russia so not traveling to russia but Over Facetime and something he said that sticks in my ear today is he said, you know, of course i feel fear when the cell door closes behind me and i realize that they could do anything to me. Hes a human being. But he knew the risks he was taking and he thought they were worth taking, because what he has been for two decades is an anticorruption evangelist. He has shown the brightest possible spotlight on the corruption of Vladimir Putin, stealing from the russian people and repressing them, so he and his cronies can get rich. And that touched a nerve. It touched a nerve with Vladimir Putin, and it touched a nerve with the russian people. And what joe biden can do, of course, americas standing to lecture other countries has been diminished but this idea of exposing corruption is something that the Biden Administration can take forward. Alexey navalny had a video that he published about A Billion Dollar palace that Vladimir Putin had built for himself. That is only the tip of the iceberg of the corruption that Vladimir Putin is involved in. Joe biden, now that Alexey Navalnys in prison and his administration and our allies can shine a spotlight on that corruption. Thats what Vice President doesnt want to happen and thats what i think we can do and now that we have an administration that stands for something again, i hope that we see it. Can you fill in some of the parts of the story that may not be getting as much attention here as they should . Why did he go back . Because you make a good point. Every human being and he has a family. His familys also been targeted by putin. Why did he go back and what was the crime and was it manufactured that he was sentenced for today . Well, hes a fearless individual, right . But what he told me, too, is that he didnt want to just be an exile. He didnt even want to be a lonely dissident. He has an organization in russia with dozens of offices. He has a movement in that country that he feels an obligation to. And he feels like he has built a movement and built a message over the course of two decades about the corruption of the putin regime. And i think he felt like he was obligated to those people and to the cause that he leads to go back to russia, knowing what would happen to him. In terms of the charges, theyre completely absurd. They say he violated the terms of his probation. All of his previous detentions were trumped up charges. They tried to charge Alexey Navalny with corruption because thats what these regimes always do. They project on to other people. What the Biden Administration is pointing to and saying theyre violating the Russian Constitution is that the Russian Constitution, on paper, allows for the right of peaceful protest. Obviously, in practice, it does not. But i think you see the Biden Administration trying to say, hey, theyre violating their own laws. Theyre violating international law. And frankly, Alexey Navalny is getting more powerful. You know, hes got Vladimir Putin in a way back into a corner because if he puts him in prison, he proves Alexey Navalnys point, that putin is corrupt and he represses his own people. If he releases him, he has a platform. Navalny has reached that kind of Tipping Point for an Opposition Leader where everything Vladimir Putin does only proves navalnys point and only makes him and his movement stronger. Eddie, just quickly, im so struck by the ongoing Collateral Damage of trumps years in office, his subservience, calling putin a strong leader, sucking up to him at every turn, making him more powerful and while there may not be any link between trumps presidency and what happened today in russia, you have to believe that putin feels emboldened and feels that america has a much weaker standing to condemn his conduct. Oh, absolutely. You know, going back to our discussion with jacob and yamiche about Family Separation, what are you doing with your children . Have you found their parents yet, america . Going back to the fact that we have a congress, a senate that is basically not holding a President Accountable who has incited an insurrection. How are you going to instruct us on how to maintain our democracy when you are turning a blind eye to someone, the very president of your former president of the United States who threatened to overthrow, in some ways, to incite an insurrection. So, i think, you know, part of what ben said is absolutely right, nicole. We need to make the claim, but it has to be followed up with, i think, concrete action, shining the light, but its always happening. Its happening, at least in this instance, against the backdrop of our diminished standing in the world. Its almost as if our voice has lost, in some ways, its depth, precisely because of the contradictions evidenced in our practice over the last four years. Its remarkable, and you hear reporting from foreign capitals, from our open correspondents and others, that foreign leaders are waiting and watching, that if theres any chance that trumps president again in four years, if the senate doesnt vote to convict him, thats a distinct possibility, there could be a snap back to those policies. Ben rhodes, eddie glaude, thank you so much for spending time with us today. 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If youre on medicare or retiring soon, Call Unitedhealthcare or go online today. There were some promising developments today in the effort to ramp up Vaccine Production and distribution here in the u. S. The Biden Administration will start delivering a limited number of vaccines to pharmacies starting with one million doses next week to 6,500 Stores Across the country. Its a huge nod to states who turn to pharmacies for help administering vaccines when the Trump Administration left them to figure out distribution on their own. Some news that might help reach the Biden Administrations Vaccination Goals in the long run, pfizer is moving up its delivery of 200 million doses from july to the end of may. And a new Study Suggests that people who have had covid may only need one dose of the vaccine because of their remarkably high antibodies after the first shot. Thats about 26. 5 million americans to put it in perspective. Lets bring into our conversation msnbc medical contributor, Infectious Disease physician and medical director at boston medical center. This is becoming the story of 2021 on covid against the backdrop of tragic numbers of lives lost, science is delivering some reasons for us to remain hopeful. Thats right, nicole. And this study makes sense immunologically because when you get an infection, what your body is doing is creating antibodies to all parts of the virus be and what the vaccine does is it helps you build antibodies to the very effective part of the virus that helps you defeat it so when you get a vaccine after natural infection, youre likely to have your body react to that part of the protein that the vaccine is trying to get you to build immunity against. So these couple of studies now that have shown that people who have had people who have had sars cov 2 infection or covid19 in the past could have a stronger antibody response. They do sort of give me heart. I do think, though, that its unlikely in the near term that the fda may change its guidance, for two reasons. Tudies were small. Two, i think its hard to actually confirm in many cases people have had the infection before or not. And the vaccine trials, of course, were built with some people who had the infestfection before and so the composite number we see already includes that in the population. President biden said that by the end of the summer, he hoped to have 300 million americans vaccinated. Do you see the announcements of more supply and more production and supply being pushed out through the pharmacies as a sign that that could slide back, that we could reach that goal sooner . Boy, i really hope so. I mean, and there are a couple other things, aside from what you mentioned in the headlines, theres moderna also announced that, you know, one of the restricting factors in getting more doses out for them is that theyve been putting ten doses but if they could put up to 15 doses in each of their vials, the packaging and the capping is whats taking some of the effort. They might be able to get more doses out. So i dont know how many more they potentially have, you know, in the factory but that could increase the number of doses theyre presenting to the fda. Thats one part. The reason its necessary, i just feel, nicole, like theres more data even today from uk that shows that the variant, the b. 1. 1. 7 thats prevalent there in some of those samples has now gotten the mutation that the two more deadly variants have, which makes them evade immune therapies and potentially decrease the efficacy of vaccine and all it says is that these t once they get the conditional mutations makes it easier to get subsequent mutations. Its like a race. On the left what we have to do is increase the number of vaccinations, more doses, more vaccinators, more sites. On the right we have to deriece the transmission. Everything we can do to decrease indoor capacity, no travel, the rapid tests and thats how we get to the other side of this. By the way, february and march i think are potentially the post periods because i think this is when we have the most vulnerable amount of people who are not vaccinated. Hopefully as more people get vaccinated, that hospital mortality will come down. Quickly, do you think that these vaccines theyre giving out now will be totally different from the ones they give out a year from now in terms of what youre saying based on the mutations . I think so we will need those, as you said. Dont hold me to this, but its likely we might potentially be doing annual or biannual boosters of these vaccines. From what we know in just vaccine science, over time, as you build immunity, at least if you end up getting the infection again, even if the it becomes less and less effective, hopefully it is lower. Like with the flu where you might end up getting the disease, its less severe. The majority of us are not immune to it yet. Dr. Bedelia, thank you for spending time with us and helping us make sense of all. This when we return, as we do every day, we will remember lives well lived. So when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. 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The beat with ari melber starts right now. Hi, ari. Hi. Nicolle. Thank you so much. Welcome to the beat. Were reporting on several developments tonight. President biden issuing new orders on immigration. House democrats filing their first brief in this looming Senate Impeachment trial making the case trump betrayed the u. S. Impeachment veteran adam schiff joins us shortly. And by the end of this hour, i can tell you jon bon jovi makes his the beat debut. Well get into that. So we have a lot tonight. We begin with breaking news out of the white house. President biden using his executive power for three new big orders on immigration, showing hell do what he can alone while