that is why i am blessed to live in america today as opposed to america during that time. but we cannot ignore the realities of not having fathers in homes. that is important for black people today and all people today. >> and we are out of time. >> joining me now by phone is my friend joy reid. host, of course, of the read- out who intervied byron donalds who suggested that jim crow was somehow a time of nostalgia when black families were better off. joy, thanks for being here. i know you are by phone because we are having technical difficulties. let me get your reaction to congressman donalds speaking pretty explicitly about the great society being bad for black families and speaking nostalgically about a segregationist era. >> yeah. thank you for having me. we invited him on because his comment was so odd to say the