difference between systems. you can be authoritarian or fascist is all you care about is yourself, in order to be a democrat or somebody who cares about the rule of law or a constitutionalist you have to be able to take that step of realizing another person is real, another person might deserve to take some kind of risk at some point. >> professor, when you, i have been thinking about world war ii a lot since the ukraine war has, since russia invaded ukraine and the parallels. and it is not easy to make those parallels and these discussions every day. but this is one of those days. when the parallels are so vivid with president zelenskyy right there in normandy. >> thank you for that. number one, we should remember, even as we commemorate this extraordinarily difficult and significant, the decisive naval operation, seaborne operation, that the second world war was chiefly about ukraine it was