those oral arguments in courts of appeals, arguing 30 minutes per side per party. this is really extraordinary. i will say, though. the two amici requested oral argument representing amici who supported donald trump notion, there was an amicus brief filed on behalf of jack smith side of this. and as people said, you know, if the other guys are going to get to argue, then we want to argue, too. and judge eileen cannon did grant that. we will have someone arguing, as well, who is supporting jack smith. >> again, i am straining to sort of communicate this to nonlegal people. i think legal people are like, every time cannon does something more or less, legal people are like okay, this is a weird one. she is running her own little supreme court there on this constitutional issue. she is a district court judge. here's a look at 2018, and other federal judge was a trump appointee, holds constitutionality of mueller appointment.