we're right around 4,000 daily crossings according to department of homeland security officials. if it comes back down to something around on average 1,500 people then the border would reopen and they would reassess. and the president in his remarks did hint that he may have some other measures to roll out in the coming weeks about trying, he argued, to make the immigration system fairer. but we know, katy, that really this is about a political vulnerability as well as the policy aspects to all this. >> what about the courts here? because donald trump tried something similar in 2018, monica, the courts blocked it. the aclu is already promising the biden administration on this one. there's a decent chance of an injunction before this power can go into effect. they had to have known that. >> they're fully bracing for that. and in fact, they studied specifically what the former president tried to do and they tried to have some humanitarian carveouts and make some adjustments so they believe this could stand up better in court. that includes unaccompanied