quite value. that's one of the allegations we have heard, free cars, free apartments, free tuition. what that adds up to and what was the lost tax value to new york. if they believe they should have paid packs on them and they didn't, how much actual money was lost. that's going to go a long way to determining how bad are the penalties or the possible penalties for weisselberg. >> to that point, andrew, if it was huge apartments, free cars, not paying taxes on them, what would that mean in terms of how serious the charges would be? because when you just hear, oh, he want paying taxes on perks, it doesn't feel like that's enough to get him to flip on trump. >> well, tax charges themselves are not a huge amount of pressure to get somebody to flip even if you are talking about a few million dollars because the criminal liability is just the portion that's not paid in taxes. you know, you may get millions