the cream of the crop. they're not necessarily the best of them. these are the people who are the biggest of all trump loyalists, the most loyal of the loyalists, the most sycophantic of the sycophants, the most toadyish of the toadiers. and yet those people are the ones who in the end, if trump ends up getting convicted in many of these cases but particularly in this one and in the january 6th case, in the end if he's convicted in these cases it is going to be those people who could be -- were believable on almost nothing else. everything else they bent over backwards to try to help trump. but this was too far. and when dragged into court, put in front of a grand jury, they had to come out and tell the truth. it's hard to think of a more credible witness in this case than some of these people who lied for trump's, you know -- wheedled, cajoled for trump, did everything, broke norms, broke rules, broke ethics and now they're in there going yeah, i did a lot of bad stuff for trump but he's guilty here. >> it's just remarkable. all right.