Diplomatic attempts to end israels war on gaza have so far failed. Calls for a ceasefire, an end to israels bombardment of palestinian homes or for hamas to release all of its captives have gone on answered. The Un Security Council held an open debate on the conflict. In his address, secretary general Antonio Guterres noted that the hamas attacks did not occur in a vacuum and should be viewed in light of decades of occupation. His comments prompted a furious reaction from israel and demands for his resignation. Ultimately all permanent members of the Un Security Council need to be on board for a binding resolution to be passed. With such deep divisions, what role can the u. N. Play in ending the war . Plenty discuss with our guests, but this report first. Even war has rules. Those were the words of Antonio Guterres. He was speaking at a Security Council open debate on the middle east. Most of the discussions focused on israels war on gaza. Guterres condemned the attacks that hamas carried out on october 7, but he said he was deeply concerned about clear violations of International Humanitarian law in gaza. The Palestinian People have been subjected to 56 years of occupation. They have seen their land devolved by settlements and plagued by violence. Their economy stifled and people displaced, their homes demolished. Israel responded by calling for his resignation. And its foreign minister canceled a planned meeting with him. They are blaming the victim, you are blaming israel . This is a peer blood libel, peer blood libel and i think the secretarygeneral must resign. Russia, china, the United Arab Emirates and others called for an end to the conflict. Something absent from the u. S. Draft resolution. The key point is a need for a space a swift ceasefire. The fact it was not included was a step in the wrong direction and could be interpreted as counsel support for israels plan to conduct a ground offensive in gaza. The u. S. Says humanitarian causes are needed to allow aid into gaza. But the palestinians, that is not enough. We are here today to stop the killing, to stop the massacres being committed against the Palestinian People. The ongoing massacres being deliberately perpetrated by israel, the occupying power against the palestinian civilian population under its illegal occupation must be stopped. After several sessions, the Un Security Council has been unable to pass a resolution on the war. With such deep divisions between members, it begs the question, how much can the u. N. Really achieve . Lets bring in our guests. A warm welcome to you all. Chris, i will start with you. How much influence can the u. N. Have won some of its most influential members are uninterested in a ceasefire . The answer sadly is very little. When you look at the israeli reaction to the very reasonable remarks who said there was a context of this fighting, it did not happen in a vacuum, when you look at the fact that the Israeli Foreign minister immediately canceled a meeting with him and israel has now said it will refuse to give visas to israeli officials to u. N. Officials including the highest humanitarian in the u. N. System, you have to wonder when a sense will prevail. You have a situation the u. N. Secretary finds himself rejected by one side. And on the ground, the u. N. Finds itself completely on its knees. It has 600,000 displaced people in its schools. All 13,000 of its staff are being withdrawn to the south. And 35 staff have been killed. 40 of its installations have been hit. Unrwa is the only other Massive Service provider apart from hamas authorities capable of delivering aid. The u. N. Finds itself completely marginalized. Richard, would you agree to that . Is the u. N. Powerless to do anything . Yes, the u. N. Is shown to be helpless in the face of this situation. But one must remember that the u. N. Is also important in the symbolism of politics. And it has had a dramatic effect on the peoples of the world and the outrage that israel has encountered throughout the world for undertaking this kind of indiscriminate and massive violence accompanied by draconian restrictions on the importation of food, electricity, fuel and water. It is an outrage that in the digital age, confronts people everywhere in real time. And the u. N. Plays a role, and the secretarygeneral was acting actually in full accord with his responsibility as the highest administrative official in relation to the u. N. Charter. The israeli outrage against him is one more display of repudiation of international authority. Let me put that then to rafael, Antonio Guterres says the grievances of the Palestinian People cannot justify the attacks by hamas and those attacks cannot justify the punishment of the Palestinian People. It seems an evenhanded thing to say. Why has it provoked a furious response from israel . First of all, i am in agreement with mr. Guterres, the secretarygeneral of the human, the un when he said the assault on gaza was not in a vacuum. And it is very true. Because the vacuum was filled by the incitement from iran, behind hamas is wrong, the russians, the chinese. Qatar is in both, it is involved in a humanitarian way, sometimes it supports hamas. No vacuum, on the contrary, the sea is full of sharks and dangerous animals that are pushing and helping hamas with weaponry and money. But why the furious response from israel when Antonio Guterres says he wants a humanitarian ceasefire for the innocent people in gaza . Why is israel so angry . We are angry at the vacuum story more than the humanitarian ceasefire. Because the vacuum story in a way is legitimizing and justifying terror. And i sincerely hope, it is already being prepared, that he will appear in court, and he will be judged and possibly condemned. Not only for what he said, a six month suspended sentence, because he has openly encouraged terrorism. The humanitarian part, we israeli people have no hatred or grudge towards the Palestinian People. We want palestinian tilden, women children and women to be safe. And we want them out of the combat zone because there will be combat and it will be violent. And we point in accusing finger to the International Community. Especially to egypt and most arabic countries. Egypt is closing its borders to palestinian civilians. It has now accepted a refugee camp in the south of gaza. Point taken. There is not much is the u. N. Security Council Going to be the best for them to get a ceasefire when a typical view from israel is what you just heard . Your answer is no. That is why it should go to the General Assembly, what is what happens when the security counsel is hamstrung. What he was saying about the secretarygenerals comments, if you read what he said, what he is saying is the context is the blockade of gaza, which has gone on since 2007. And the occupation of Palestinian Land which began in 1967 with its associated violence which has increased with the coalition which was headed by netanyahu. And thirdly, he is referring to the dispossession of the palestinians in 1948 which drove 700 and 80,000 refugees from their homes. And to those are the three underlying causes of this conflict which need to be addressed. If the israelis are to live free from fear and anxiety, and the palestinians are not to be isolated and blockaded and radicalized anymore. Lets look at what the secretarygeneral has said and lets look positively on it as a way of addressing the underlying causes. This hamas violence has a cause. And contextualizing it is not to justify it is in no way any attempt to stand by and defended it. Lets not just reject what the highest diplomat in the world is saying, israel must not just reject the authority of the world community. Engage rafael with these ideas. That is the way to future peace for israelis and palestinians. When i look at what the brave people of southern israel are saying, those people who have had their children kidnapped, they are the ones who are saying i do not want a single life to be lost in the name of my kidnapped or murdered child. They are in the forefront of the search for peace and people on his side need to listen to what that constituency is saying. They are crying out for peace. Those are the people who are on board with gaza and who have lost the most. Richard, we are focusing on the uns role. As a security counsel going to be the best for them to get a ceasefire . I dont think it is a feasible forum because of the geopolitical determination of giving israel unconditional support by the u. S. , france and u. K. Such a situation paralyzes the Un Security Council. And the organization was created to give this kind of geopolitical power. It is a sad moment when it is appreciated that the worst of International Crimes can unfold while the world is watching and the u. N. Is rendered helpless. I think the uniting for peace ripple resolution approach at the General Assembly is a desirable one. And a necessary one. But i would expect israel to be as arrogant and defined as it has been towards other aspects of u. N. And International Legal authority. Rafael, there is in normas fury amongst israelis at what hamas was able to get away with. Is that furor, the anger at the u. N. An attempt to deflect the frustrations at what hamas was able to get away with . First of all, there is no fury on the part of the israeli people. Just sadness. We are a people of peace, the fury is hamas. The killing, the cruelty is hamas. We are people of peace. If you think that the International Community is not with us, you are mistaken. In the United Nations wants to sue us, they will have to sue, because Emmanuel Macron was upfront. He renewed his support and spoke of a coalition similar to the Coalition Fighting isis. If we do our job, our job is before any ceasefire, to reach one objective, to annihilate hamas. Destroy hamas forever. And free gaza from hamas rule. But if you want to tell us off because we are doing this, you are going to have to sue the french, the british, the free world, the americans, because they are in it with us. You have been in Israeli Intelligence long enough to know that militarily you are never going to be able to wipe out hamas. What is the endgame in gaza . You know how many times we were told that we cannot do it . We have a surprise in store. The legitimacy of the secretarygeneral of the United Nations, which she has lost forever by supporting terrorism. I would also accuse others you and institutions other u. N. Institutions. They are cooperating with the terrorists and not protecting the civilians as it should. And his teaching children hatred and killing jews and sacrificing. And brainwashing. I accuse the United Nations of being an accomplice of terrorism. Just one thing and i am finished. You talked about occupation, we have evacuated gaza years and years ago, that is when hamas went into the vacuum. The vacuum you are talking about , we are not present militarily in gaza for years and years. We have given a lot my thousands and thousands of work permits for gazan workers to work in israel, for students to go abroad, merchandise going to gaza more and more. We have been the only real humanitarians. I will have to let you come back, you have spent a long enough in gaza to explain the role of the u. N. There. Can i just work backwards through some of his completely tropes. This idea that israel has left. As soon as it left, it imposed a blockade. The idea it has been allowing guestworkers into israel to work, one of the Untold Stories of what has happened in the last couple of weeks is the thousands of palestinian guestworkers from gaza who have been incarcerated and locked up. We do not know where they are, we have some idea but there is an untold story there about thousands of workers were simply doing their job when the war started. Have just been rounded up and locked up. The idea that the secretarygeneral is supporting terrorism, people who listen to that and simply laugh at all of your other ideas, some of which are perfectly reasonable, to accuse him of being a criminal and being someone who support terrorism, that is not going to resonate with anyone. It is condemnable that you can make this comment about the world top diplomat who is working tirelessly to bring peace to your part of the world. As to your comments on unrwa, i dealt with this lie time and time again. We have people who would film hamas schools, where there were some camps which were teaching extremism to children. We investigated every single one of those and we showed they were all a pack of lies. During the gaza war in 2014, when militants put rockets in our schools, when we found them, the first people we told were the israelis. We have no credit for that, instead we were told an announcement went out at the time that israeli spokespeople that they were collaborating with terrorists in order to send rockets into israel. All of these antiunrwa tropes have all been fully investigated and are complete lies. The last point about International Support for israel, if you actually listened to the global south, the billions of people, for them this is the last colonial struggle. The last vestiges of the anticolonial struggle from the 19th century. White people throwing brown people off their land. If you look at what brings people onto the streets today, black lives matter, the me too movement, Climate Change and the palestinians. Rishi sunak and biden better listen because they are all under threat from their electorates and the people are standing with the palestinians in their anticolonial struggle. We will talk about what the u. N. Is trying to do now, there will be another meeting while his program is on air. The u. S. Has called for a pause in the fighting and russia once a humanitarian ceasefire. Help us understand what the difference is and what you would like to see. I would like to see a cessation of the violence altogether. In a humanitarian ceasefire is something that is understood as a prelude to political negotiations. And hamas is an elected hamas is a political actor that has committed terrorist acts in its attack on october 7. The idea of eradicating a political actor because it has committed an act of terrorism would apply to many governments, including that of israel, and is a dangerous doctrine. As it is being implemented in the violence that we have witnessed so far, it has jeopardized the lives of thousands and thousands of innocent Palestinian People, including several thousand palestinian children. It is a great tragedy and catastrophe about which the u. N. , as an organization, cannot do anything effective so long as these western powers block it from opposing the continuation of this onslaught on the Palestinian People. Chris, there will be and after when israel has decided it can do as much as it can. What will it be the u. N. For then . Frankly everything. It is going to need the u. N. In a humanitarian sense, and that puts unrwa center stage. That means they have to be properly funded before this current crisis, unrwa was short for its regular programs. And it has since issued a flash appeal for over 100 million. It will need unrwa, but unrwa needs to be properly funded. Unrwa is the huge service provider, and has engineers, health workers, teachers, supporters and the community, social services that it offers. They will have to be massively ramped up if we are going to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe, which we are in the mist of. 600,000 people have taken refuge in unrwa schools. There is a massive task for unrwa. Beyond that there will be a huge rebuilding and rehabilitation program. This is the fifth war that unrwa has lived through in gaza. It has exceed reason doing this. On the diplomatic front, it is difficult to know what the way forward will be because you have israel arrogantly condemning the secretarygeneral unjustifiably. But the u. N. Will come into its zone because it will be the place where all of the parties are together. There is no other forum. If the u. N. Did not exist, Something Like it would have to be invented. If unrwa didnt exist Something Like it would have to be invented. We have to get away from the idea of israel and its u. S. Cheerleaders. Richard, the turkish president says he is saddened by the inability to come to a resolution regarding gaza and wants a reform of the security counsel. And brazils president says what is happening now is exposing the weakness of the u. N. Do you reckon is those calls of a need to reform . I do, i dont think the political conditions will allow that reform to take place. Precisely because these powers dont want to give up their capacity to paralyze the organization if its prescriptions go contrary to their strategic interests. And this is a shocking example where the leading democratic constitutional governments of the world are overtly endorsing the most heinous of crimes that unfold day by day in gaza. And have committed the worst crimes that have been shown to the world since world war ii. It is a shocking moment. Thank you to all of our guests. Thank you to for watching. You can see the program again by visiting our website aljazeera. Com. Go to our Facebook Page at facebook. Com ajinsidestory. You can join the conversation on x, we are ajinsidestory. Goodbye for now. Woman film was certainly not a place where mainstream entertainment was reflecting the everyday realities of people of color. Man to speak about the l. A. Rebellion is to speak about a wide variety of imaginations and films that were not inside the imagination of mainstream hollywood. Man 2 we werent antihollywood. It wasnt even on the radar. Man 3 we had this burning desire to show different stories. 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