Refugees and migrants who continue to flee their home countries. Many hundreds of them dying in the attempt to reach europe. What kinds of solutions to germanys politicians have to offer to these crises what role should the country play in the International Arena . Should the next German Government be doing more or less all pursuing different t goals. Well six representatives of the main Political Parties with us tonight in the studio on our audience will be asking them some searching questions. They are my could link from the liberal sdp party is a former junior minister in the German Foreign ministry. Among eighteen years in parliament. Christina anderson from the populist a have de alternative for germany party. Campaigning for the bundestag from the local council in limbo where she heads the nft faction. Stuff on ebay his a member of the left party in the bundestag since its on its Foreign Affairs committee. Im drastic from the governing christian democrats to see do you also a member of the bundestag Foreign Affairs committee. Houses only laura poor farm policy spokesman for the green party. And row staying the from the social democrats spd the junior partner in the Current Coalition he leads the party in schleswig holstein. Netizens element thats a panel. Lets take off us question from the audience its own moves korea and it come. Sandra. Run by. Please go ahead hello. Germany has called for dialogue and diplomacy over the crisis in north korea. If you would stand in front of kim young or and today what exactly would you say to him. Thank you very much what i like to do is kick off with the a couple of quick sentences from each of you. What would you say to king john home . Today and why lets start with the. If you would like michael link can you start us when we go down the line. Okay. Thank for the question well then the question which really unites us all because we are. Born without a matching key for this problem. Because he thinks hes extremely strong. And he hopes of course that he can intimidate all of us. But its improved extreme importance to tell him very clearly. Who have lost old friends i would tell him you have lost on friends and we will make sure . By sanctions and by other means that you will not get any more. Resources for you weapons so think twice before you act and before you continue on your aggressive puff. Christina anderson. Yeah i agree i what i would certainly tell on and he needs to cut it out and he needs to cut it out immediately. The problem were talking about here is that. Nuclear weapons and. It is in next under unacceptable that someone the somebody like that pass said the power over what thats like that. Sally and the name of peace of the world we needs to make sure that he will not and act on that. Definitely. I think when he is provocative then result stay calm and we sort of fire him and at back to the Six Party Talks. With china japan with host south korea with the United States of course and i think he should and his Nuclear Ambitions and on the other side of south korea and the United States. Should freeze their maneuvers. And as nick. I think in the short term priority in the longer term priority the short term priorities to avoid. Escalation of nuclear warfare. Will by military confrontation by accidents and i think that should be. Made clear that this is in the mutual interest of everyone. Involved in the second priority for the medium term should be to find. A framework. Under which we could clarify what his real interest saw it as a question was it mainly. Using Nuclear Weapons as a Life Insurance for his regime. And try to find a diplomatic family with its Six Party Talks with p. Five present on. The with lately we willing to participate in Something Like that like we did. In iran and i think that is one important step. To reduce the risk of escalation to what do you say in action your actual words hes standing before you would you say to him. Dont be a crescent. Make sure that you avoids. Military escalation by accident. And. Lets find. The framework under which we can peacefully discuss how to resolve the differences in the region army durable. I would ask him what he wants i have no idea i would question is what do you wan. And then there of course the question is at what surprise for from coming back to the table of negotiations. And said of course he he has to understand you. Question its you you have to understand that a award communities sticking together. And be be made. To have an alliance with china with japan and south korea on on on that and he can seize it you can see that on. The question of the coal shipments for example being bent and this is path for and so the question is what surprise for. For negotiation than what surprise for. Getting rid of his said Nuclear Arsenal to you want to do a deal said dont the deal is going have a price i would i would for you want to find out exactly what that was races. You know did the problem and thought koreas and we do not have any influence. And we do not have any insights so that we have to talk. Prostate. What part of the question is already the answer talking rather than . Radical tweets or Something Like that and. Asking him. What and has to have a good wellbeing for his people there . A weather we have influence on not is a very difficult question i dont know where the talks will. And answer that question by talking. That is better than anything else a drastic invited come back to you. Why do you think you should listen to this some any from germany once jeremy got to offer . Well indeed we have for limited influence. Almost grew as has almost anybody else with the exception of china. There is a question whether he might be interested over time. In. Relations that may help to improve the livelihood of his people which is in a desperate situation. Will very well saying you might dangle the idea of economic support in front. When the recordings support what hes improvement of the livelihood to affect people we are important trading partner. To many of his neighbors in the region we have a vested interest in stability. And thats what makes us a credible of party to talk to. Stephanie big hes learned the lesson the house indeed which a lot of people learn in politics which is. If you have a big gun and you start firing at people are going to listen to. I think you read as germans has have one thing to off our business experience of the reunification weekend discuss discuss with him. That he managed it and i think that there are people who even in north korea who are interested in our experiences youre not suggesting he wants to unify with the south. There are people on both sides who are discussing reunification we have a new president in south korea and now. Who and he is interested in a different way than the president before was one kills his opponents in the other one . Rights elections with the some difference there is you know it wouldnt would say and i think we have to try to learn how to see how he sees the world. He would say yeah but they are my new us between the United States and south korea so what i would suggest is. We should make le of freezing in this manor house he has to say he will stop has Nuclear Ambitions and then we can go back to talk. And i think this is the best and it is a possible way. Christina anderson can you use you said telling to cut it out. As soon as i can yeah ceiling assuming that he doesnt can you afford to leave him to play with his toys and simply walk away. No of course not cyanide a guy has a right to to prevent to im sorry. America has a right to prevent him from using those toys. And has america our right to do that they dont have a right to do that unless they have a goal from the un. I would say. They cant im sorry how big russia and china blocking that in the Security Council. Does america have a right damn we need to get a mall on the table and we need to talk about that. Thats all going so well these days is it. Well. We should we should at least try it but i just had another idea maybe maybe that word reunification and i just heard here. Maybe he is trying to prevent just that. Maybe the peace with the world is just come to that becomes a peaceful for him. I dodont know how he ticks. But we need to we need to stop them and we can just. Let him go on doing michael lind because as a slightly larger question here do you think germany should play a bigger role in a dangerous world. Bigger role than it has done up till now. I think so i think so because we have a role to play in defending the. Multilateral liberal international order. And that means for north korea yes certainly we should play a role but not as germany alone but its part of the e. You. Look at what in the you could done could do and germany together with the u. S. Strong you member. A in the iran talks iran shows you that takes time we dont have the time so much in north korea i agree with yo. But lets begin where he wants something he meets spare parts finance resources for what he is hes doing we can do more. The latest sanctions are a good step forward we can do more from. Depriving him getting the resources he needs to continue his path. The americans who went to see kim jong un in twenty fourteen came away saying the North Koreans are not going to give up their Nuclear Weapons its a non starter. We try pressuring threatening negotiating trying to Leverage China everybodys tried all that and its not working so what do you left with. Well of course im not defender or he had to to explain whats president from things that i i question myself us myself what he. Really wants their bits. Just been layouts and said just imitating the noise the noisy approach of because of some use from north korea. Is not helpful but again lets begin with north korea need something lets begin where they are in need of resources. And. The technology for the weapons. Here we can indeed to do more. Rumors our ballots the countrys like sometimes. Egypt pakistan still selling something to him well lets try to stop that line. Wrath stagnant if you accept the idea that germany should play a bigger role in. A dangerous world. If you dont deal forcefully with north korea now whats to stop another state. Playing the same games further down the line well if you would only talk to the. Nations that share our values are the only size and in no way so that doesnt help really. I think one of the problems is not owned in are not many have Nuclear Weapons and thats true but. Its them problems not only north korea but also that we dont have an of unity. Among the the other nations so first of all we should come together with the americans and the chinese and see that we. Get more unity and then tell the North Koreans and we wont threaten you if you dont threaten us and the Security Council is deadlocked as you know what happens most important issues about unity is invent that is a true. Bucks. Tanning bed this is difficult doesnt mean that we can afford such. To give it up and i see whats realistic rome whats difficult o or easy w what d you think it was realistic to get out of the confrontation between the big superpowers and it happened. Because the north tried long enough a. We had a cold war then was and then that we will not threatened by nuclear war between. The United States and russia anymore a summit union so things can change but that takes awhile. And theres no reason of the turned have to negotiating to talk and joni can play a big role because where. Economic power and and and and we very much. Benefited from. What happened after World War Two so i think we can play a role in negotiating and . Alluring tensions and peace talks and in those kind of things rather than helping to escalate everything and said. Making arms races and that kind of stuff moment no report the greens would want to play that role with. Yeah absolutetely but not of germanyy but as as as the European Union. Here to smallest on the beaches is d we have a president now with south korea for example proposed the idea of one country two systems. And we never got a not so from north korea baby have to come to an mortal self to a mortal self of talking. So we can at least get some some reaction to that what is what is happening at of of the to the proposals. Which i now dead and and there are a lot of. I dont have any of the audience has heard anything theyd subscribe to or to which they would violently object. Very body who wants to make a comment. Alright okay lets go to our second question again from the audience. Dennis michael could we have your question please. You. Am and the last eight months weve seen some quite eroti. On the us president in your opinion of the United States under President Trump still a reliable ally. Thank you very much. Are staying with. Zytenz the lower loblolly yes they are because americas a strong democracy and they survive it President Trump i think. Although in comparison i mean. Bush was the liberal intellectual in comparison with trump taj has gotten through the worst but. And i guess the american. Americans have a strong democracy and we also have to talk to trump. Yeah and may be. He has to. The experience that some of has crazy ideas wont get support anywhere in the world. So. You want to be able to learn your party the mas insults as being pretty blunt and. Quite transient about. On these views about trump presently and he sent us houston of sowing chaos at home and abroad and. What freedom of speech so and i i would say thats distance how much distance do you want to put between you and . The trump administer what it that it doesnt have really to be polite to somebody who is insulting the whole world and. Danger in the world with his treats and all that and and. And. Going against every minority you would think off a so i think being blunt is a good thing to do and that make you feel better doesnt always in germanys interest to be blunt i think its. Its so that all sorts want to do so because if you. Dont do that if you it. Might have the impression that to get and can get away with that thats le doesnt bet any anybody thats thats doesnt benefit anybody so. Being bronx doesnt mean talking with them and maybe hes able to run i. Im an optimistic person so i would suggest maybe even trump is able to look thank you think a cd you meanwhile has been pondering to. Donald trump by promising that. Theyll meet the two percent of gdp spending on defense but only it nato leaders promise thats twenty four to that is one of the. Big questions and no election thats that the conservatives want to spend thirty million euro a year more form military and we rather want to spend that for education families and future. Yeah you signed up to this in twenty four dollars well no no nono. The was they talked about that it was never a decision of the government neither of the public in june yeah well your majesty memeluk condition and then signed up to it. None none i know that i dont michael said you know you are unreliable on this and whether he may say that bans that was no decisions the government neither decision of the parliament. So therefore i think thats a question of debate in our Election Campaign and for ministers. So its interesting to see that a. That doesnt count anymore to of the social democrats. When its is helped pep apparently helpful in an election. I think two percent is a very academic debates i think what we should agree on. Is that in a world that. Has increasing security challenges when we out required to take more responsibility for security. Will have to take more responsibility for stability no immediate neighborhood in the middle east and north africa. That we should to. A provide our military with the means necessary so that they can do these. Missions a with the best equipment possible. Whether that ultimately ends up to two percent is the statistical issue i would like. To broaden their perspective with talking about a three percent objective including what we need to spent on Development Aids on diplomacy. On other aspects of our integrated Foreign Policy but in this regard. More responsibility in the security environment is an important factor you want a bigger army. And that you think that helps you talk with a loud voice. We need at least to catch up on what we have. Excessively done in savings in the military for the last twenty years we also need to improve. A European Corporation s. As a chance the fed in the in the to doing speech we need to take more responsibility for our own. Destiny but im curious about why dont you need to do that in conjunction also was all European Partners im curious about why you want to spend more on defense because every time theres a crisis the german view is theres. No military solution in ukraine and crimea that was no military solution despite the fact that president putin had ha. Taken my himself in north korea there is no military solution without it has no military solution to these crises twenty one a bigger army for. One important aspect of deterrence is thats a. An army is necessary for not to have to be used in the imitation where youre not going to use it we have not more security challenges we have to support away and lost in this way near in poland. In other countries against the threat. From. From russia we have. Engagements missions of our military and the e. U. N. U. N. Mandates. In a number of countries in africa and i want to make sure thats so to that we have to send into into missions. With our personal vote in the bone the fact equipped in the best possible way. That to keep them out of harms. Plus now you k know. We didt hear you can use. The army and on the night table. So its having your goods the umps army thats okay but not rising up the costs from thirty million a year thats a big difference. People i think that you want to send our soldiers into missions for which you party votes in parliament every time. That was all providing them with adequate zen was natural material at that point two thats irresponsible. Im going to. What i didnt get he had is . What the money is for . I was in in the memorable for quite a companies for for. Four years. Asking the question how it comes that a lot of money has been burne. Within in front ins in effective. Structures of the bonus for burning martin more money doesnt mean more Security Force second they dont say what what didnt monies for you spent two percent of the gdp for generous pensions. You can fulfill them but they did in the goals and then and a commitment you gave internationally this is no. More security than the last one is. We need to reform within the. Within the german army and within the European Union we need more cooperation spend more money you kill the president for a reform so feet this is what be opposing. Tell you whats agreement you want to see greater German Defense engagement in nato and the news that drive you can the off the question of military solutions than ever are military solutions but military. Sometimes can create winds of opportunity for other solutions. Is it since the ice assistance in the. His overrunning mosul and this is going after but that we have to stop the militarily so that part moments when you meet military action. But then you need solutions another levels you need to pull it to policy the state police and so on and so on they should spend the money for that. We do not have enough capacity for it stefan leverage your party voted to to. Conference in june to remove u. S. And nato infrastructure in germany. Of the kind that could be used against russia. So you dont support this idea of a new muscular germany in the in the dangerous world. Yes you are right and i think you are the one that you willll be to germany. I think we have a bigger role we have. Great responsibility in the vote but i dont think that we should use our military forces for that there are good things. To use all of the governor all i will brings example you just mentioned. That minsk. Talks about the future of ukraine i think it was the best way to discuss the situation between ukraine and russia and i think the german. Government did a wonderful job there but really dont have a frozen conflict against allows in people have died vf of his eyes new it. We have a frozen conflict and im very happy that we dont have a lot conflict and so i think that was the right decision. On the other hand to being a number three in weapon x. Calls. Who will quiet this is not not the responsibility we have i think of this will make all over look more unsafe . This will cause a lot of refugees and so i think yes germany had a bigger role. But the question is what do we do with it. Christiane listen you are. Nodding your head in the ground when i say about that first of all i im early plaque with the state now im really really glad to finally hear from you. That you at least acknowledge that donald trump as the president of the United States. A to my knowledge you felt better to congratulate him. And as i do remember. That our and will miss president s right now even call to and i hate preacher. Very interesting however fine to judge. Who for insulting thehe whole world . Why you can not keep back your insults i find that where youre trusting . Looked and felt that the truth. But didnt know very well what i just. Thursday night was low anyhow to the question easy arrival partner on the on the storm but reliable bundle. Well theres a lot of things that he felt that our trip. Well first of all i am. We can pump up the army all the time that we we cant do that then. And it was mentioned i six. Yeah we do need to to defeat isis. But then the question has to be ask. Why are they still leader why do they still exist . When i think back on on the iraq creek at the of war. The u. S. When you. And they took apart this whole country like to two weeks or Something Like that and now theyre really trying to tell me. They cannot get rid of a bunch of morons down there. What is what is going wrong there okay sally israeli you are still a supporter of trump you remain a supporter of trump . Use any spoken the truth a lot of people say you know them lawrence and of the United States the american people. Voted for him and. I of course respect and acknowledging since they are our friends and allies like i always here. Or are they not. Book this moment during for the department to the United States is not based on the president who was elected. Within the partnership is based on on on p. On the vehicle on them and that by using the demo. I. Nnova. Tamoxifen the in hours. I also got my usually. Do economics are you a better leader. I. I was i was banned from i was affected by the muslim. The year. Bizarre thing because im the wife president update u. S. John. It you let me and i was us that all the time if i now find out what with being. Threats of landiss gas Service America my america are those people who quit it there dead del. Did offices and went to day to day airport fighting for people like me this is america to amend suu america ndiaye. No five hundred thousand people going around once a month. And and demonstrating against that mosque sexist Election Campaign in the history of mankind and these are our people. Thank the majority voted for clinton. Michael yeah a very quick government youll dot you did christian in the says that sustaining the trans atlantic relationship. Should be the next governments top Foreign Policy. Priority is that right. Well certainly and absolutely civilised Transatlantic Relations have been built for Stormy Weather not for good weathe. And we on Stormy Weather because of an outrageous us president s. Who is not even . Online on one line with his own Political Party im surprised to hear. A defense of racist position from you. Well maybe because i know presented Political Party over was ordered has open questions to answer in terms of racism. When i hear some of what you candidates and colleagues are saying right now very good. There my originally there following a muslim happy to answer your questions once. Hes the threats of ethnic relations still a top of the agenda indeed. We would try. To keep the United States of america as engaged as possible. Even Transatlantic Relations we have instruments for that thanks go out we have the us congress. Which is well prepared. To tame even a u. S. President was not respecting the institutions so i trust on the majority and on the opposition. In the us congress for strong Transatlantic Relations florida i wonder in the audience how many people still think thats a total trump is a reliable. Partner through germany can we see a show of hands and thinks hes a reliable partner. Not many i see one hand two hands. Thats it the rest of you commence is nono longera reliable partner some right. Targets irma laura okay thank you. Lets move aung lawn next question is on russia and its from julie shuster. Two inches to. I dont. I would like to know in your opinion what should be done about the tension between russia germany. Also wanted the chances of a more open and cooperative relationship in a new future. Thank you very much omega report your start us off on the. On. The greens been strong supporters of sanctions against russia. And the sanctions sanctions about a deadline no depositions goes on on on no no. You know first that wont be at peace order euro we dont miss a second we definitely need strong ties of pilot with tuition third. I would love to see the sanctions be revoked immediately but it depends of russias behavior. They where they came in today the crimea im day occupied a part of of of ukraine. And we cant distance except thought so its kind of of breach of International Law and we cant just ignore to huge. Concerns of our partisan east the induced Eastern European countries like poland or politics thank you senator pete you say you cotte accepted gladly accepted incredible is accepted in covington. We didnt accept no we did not accept the bbcs unacceptable is the most over used word comes into this is why what would is what we be. Lament that the sanctions and that they can go after russias has changed behavior until russia move so this mood the relations are frozen its action and reaction the debt action crimea let to the to the sanctions. Theyve taken excitement and and and and get get out of the country that can we go with that immediately wanna wanna get to get out of elections with no known a question. Michael and killed Party Leaders seems to want to have it both ways he said that. We have to get out of the debt and situation to break a to boo i family must seen crimea as a prominent. Provisional arrangement how can you have a permanent provisional ranges i a permanent as provisional which is it. Or you just want to have it both ways. Well in the one wed stating the obvious that we cannot solve it fast on the other side of course did not christian in the was absolutely clear. That there is no chance for any sort of recognition of the legal annexation of crimea by russia. It was clear but on that and he repeated several times. And i think its indeed important to repeat it. Of course you can to make it card always part of all talks as we did in the iran talks. Where we have it together with russia . A deal to do and not permanently speaking on crimea but at the same time never forgetting about crimea so crimea remains on the agend. Also for us from ftp but there are some shows go on their purpopose than be canceled today about problems that you can solve tomorrow and sanctions yes. Should it should go home. Consulate directly set there is a step by step approach. If russia. Implements the minsk agreements then becomes the bus that would use it. And i would rather i tried to quit and to to to hear very clear the to day from spd from out speak now. Why the foreign minister now suddenly offers the lifting of the sanctions already for a ceasefire a ceasefire is the absolute minimum condition there should be no lifting of the sanctions . If there was not a substantial move by russia. Frustrated where you want t. Take that im glad to answer that because the. And the tradition of the policies of a brand that would say we we at that time didnt accept that there were two german states but we work graduall. To overcome the situation and i guess the sanctions will lead us anywhere. The we dont accept. The action against the crimean that was a. Violation of International Law we dont accept that yet the sanctions will meet of anywhere i think it would be much more reasonable. To seek economic benefits in the way that the russians. And see. That it doesnt get there them anywhere that i dont. Know anybody who thinks that the sanctions relief. For improvement of setting up a force behind the decisions of the european council. I think thats on looks well we have to act together as europeans thats true. And i dont. Proposing that neither did that it my god we had proposed. A german. Action by out but by our nation alone we have to act as europeans. But as your own Party Chairman said. Things dont get us anywhere and and the moment so we have to overcome the situation. And the minsk. Agreement is there but we dont see any improvement. Actually neither on both sides and not only on the russian side and. Both things have to be avoided. At we. Should not and. See the russians as the evil power at of all and we should not do the opposite at some parties to. Applauding to everything mr putin at best but there are you know doing youre doing both in the way you have a former chancellor Gerhard Schroeder was just accepted to go on the board of runs nafta and. Fundamentally islands and accept russian money through a second is seconds major job in in russian industry Russian Energy businesses same godhood up who was against invading. Iraq have proposed by the american president and followed by chance america or by that at that time leader of the opposition america. And and i think. Although im im not in favor of of his new job. Personally that hed ambience of the person who work for. And better relations between russia and germany and you know your you know your not again but. Curing personal slots on mr putins payroll no in the future. Because. We dont want to talk about pollutants from the conservatives what theyre doing now how the is burned their money i mean we shouldnt do that. Question i know you dont like the subject that thats clear but i think we have to the a. Shes interest as germany good and constructive. And peaceful relationships with russia but thats a clear Reference Point for that and that is the cost of paris and everyone in europe sign up to in nineteen ninety. As a fundamental principle for how we work and live together estates in europe. Renouncing violence as a political instrument respecting the territory integrity of states small and bigger. And i think as soon as russia is making cuba the willing to return. Credit clean. To the principles of the of the cotte of paris. Sanctions on on the required but let me remind you that ross left is that st blacklisted company under you you sanctions. And and i think it in the disgraceful german chancellor to accept a former german chancellor to accept a position on that board. And. There are some ambiguities in the cd use policy towards russia though about your press sanctions but not that good at the expense of your own nordstrom to deal. Most team to deal which brings russian gas to germany. Summit somehow that is exempt from sanctions why why would god on passing it. On her through pretty skeptical about the most of deal i think it is not in the best of shes interest of our country. But i have to. Accept that this is a private investment decision. That. Now thats it its its a political d decision that i know and that the products of the such asides being just private pro which of ch enough you having a chance of talking about the keeping the you to get are the highest priority of german policy we had totally accept im totally. Endorse of that the sentence means that be take for serious the concerns of of of the countries in the balkans for example. And been altering to is exactly the opposite of im sorry this says a lot of hypocrisy here i would say if if we went against every. Violation of european law we should. Change things. With hungry for instance you a conservative party family with some things polands ponies to. It we would be much more credible against the turkish prime yeah if we did the same thing within the you. And we are. And which we do you apply what i want to come out on. Limb to touch what i wanna say is what i want to say is violating International Law which. Everybody. Can see doesnt lead to sanctions in every case so we have very different standards talking about which leads to where tommy. Nets the poem itself in just the point alright Chris Christie now this of my argument cristian assume youll party talks of ending the sanctions policy. Deepening Economic Cooperation with russia. In other words giving them exactly what they want. Well run the textbook definition are not giving them what they want that is however what we say and sus. Yeah well you may laugh at me but just listen for a moment this phone you and there are bill are added that the. Court on there how states deal with one another but theres also another carter you any car on. Where it says that . Every people have the right to decide for themselves whether they want to be like to. And thats what really burning crimea dick. And insist in this way where you live. I wanted to least take into consideration maybe it wasnt so a legal after all what would happen there. Little growing in florida. One of the matter is. Be out if they. One two and those sanctions because they are ridiculous and they are. That theyre not doing any good bit that that the russian people are suffering from it. And the germans suffer it from from it to we are losing jobs. All of that no end to the th okay press christie irmas and you you know party held a Russian Congress in my book. Not so long ago. And you sold copies of putins speech is there so youre basically doing is pay off all in these days is that right. I dont know if one does not they were selling us speeches of puti. I of i dont have no knowledge of that fine i take i take your word for it that they did. So what. So what if the speeches are not allowed to be red or blue what do you sell anybody elses speeches. Whether they are the ones which is right maybe maybe well. Who knows maybe ill do his pale for a deadly lets talk when we have some time on the on syria becaus . The putin is busy protecting the syrian president cardinal stream if you and out very quickly very quickly gritty yeah. This is really worth mentioning because north stream shows in an exemplary way. That. Here both parts of the gulf of the of the of the actual coalition in berlin made a moment cuts takes this is a project. Which was mates behind the bank of the Baltic States of sweden finland poland. Slovakia world rightly criticizing it. Reboot better sooner than later stopped that project it is not helpful it is a very dakota. Current. How does one combat band before we leave this w. Russia winds in the . Briefly at its relationship with syria. To put is busy protecting the syrian president Bashar Al Assad who the un says is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people want to key message. To mr putin on syria. You want to start this tuning that this is their own way. At to go about this question i think. Aside should not be protected yet on the other hand without russia and other countries who wont. Get a peaceful solution for syria which is really overdue. For a long time because the Syrian People have to suffer many people. Cant come as refugees still many live they on the really bad conditions. So and not expect accepting the russian position on that but neither accepting the position of others because theres a wa. Going on there. And supported by Different National midler. I would ask him if he. Shouldnt blur from the. Huge mistakes americans did in iraq. Which was. Just to forget that after a conflict you need Something Like in process of national. Reconciliation which is definitely not possible with the person who is the symbol for chemical weapons fire bombs and wreaths. For a majority of the people of syria andreas another moderating change its about the question of hope reconciliation can beat them andreas nick very quickly message to put in on syria russia is welcome as a responsible player in the. International system. Protecting dictators who have stage warfare against their own people is not part of that stuff on the beach. The problem in syria is that florida out of five members permanent members members of suu knighted nation Security Council our active thea. With military and without this solution austin and not United NationsSecurity Council president putin and this is a potent this is wrong from all outside part but then missiles deflated from putin and from the other side to. Christina anderson. Well i would say it was high time that russia got involved in syria because since they have. Isis has been at put back and they have been put in their place. Saul and i would say. I would say thank you. Million people out there. Clear with my feeling sorry plenum of the to president putin that if west russia once. To be a respected player on the International Scene here is that an area where it could really contribute to it. But not in taking sites are for a senates but in really bringing also this regime which is and lets not forget it at the course also of the wreckage he crisis in that region. And not the Armed Islamic states has air force with bombs aleppo but it was a south groups. Therefore russia has a plate has a role to play there we want to see a constructive russian rule. We are waiting for that in vain until now. Okay alright. Were going to move on now to the next question which is on the issue of refugees. And the comes from Katie Redmond katty redmond. Im its clear that the current strategies to limit loss of life respect migrant rights and ensure security in europe are not working. When your Creative Solutions to the migrant crisis. Its become clear that the current strategies are not working to limit loss of life respect migrants rights and ensure security in europe what are your creative proposals. For solving from migrant crisis Christine Anderson poses not working but he didnt. Why did i now is going to be the first to answer . And. Well where the creative and the answers well. They people always talk about we need to we need to stop it that the causes for grant and like i chose senate. Putin sort of got into there and he tried to stop one of the causes. And what else do we have to do. We just need to get all on the table we need to discuss things and we cannot. And would what what is happening in syria by the way. This is busines. It basically costs. These people they dont want to leave the country to be frank. But think there may to leaf. And i am. When you when you look at the yellow the yeah you any at conflict camps that the year of where the refugees was my to leave you think took time off to. I wanted to im glad im getting to that. That when you look at the un refugee camps that were set up in the end that the neighbor states. And if mrs merkel was so humanitarian like she always this. Where was she when the worlds a community decided to cut down on the findings their their these countries received . For a a for feeding and clothing those that these people i got our two one done. By st rd one on the us history i just i just remember the one dollars closer to do refugee thirty one dollars and it will cut down how do we know where. To twelve dollars where was mrs merkel when that happened what i didnt hear a word from christie knows what does the a of do you want to do with the migrant issue. York manifesto says german borders must be close this s problem. My problem i cannot just go out on the street anymore at any old no i cannot. Know what. No are you. Regis are you. This. Is one of. Please please fuel speaker once nobody can hear anything. Not president shes to to think im dressed make. Everyone seems to be agreed in the cd you that there must be no repeat of twenty fifteen sub run. We were faced by humanitarian crisis that we have to. To resolve a time this time but me repeat weve met weve made significant progress thats why dont accept. The initial proposition that they refuse he referred you trust thats such a smoke filled the thing we have. Provided quite a significant solution to stop the dying here and in the in the mediterranean between turkey and greece one off thousand people is how far this season ought to do not thousand it was not of dawson i mean. If you let me finish we have a very different situation. That in the Central Mediterranean of people from africa coming to to sicily and southern italy this is a very different situation. But i think a lot of a number of them. The key components of the eu turkey cream could be transferred to the situatio. Over time i think every solution i think has to have three components. Better securing external borders. Improving the livelihood of people in their countries of origin in the countrys of transit. And to certain extent also open legal transfers for resettlement and immigration that is one thing that we need to do. In partnership also with countries in in central and western africa where most of those going to sicily of the moment kind of im i want about the situation in libya lets also forty as says the detention of migrants. Is rotten to the core its a thriving enterprise of kidnapping torture and extortion migrants are locked up women and girls are being raped by the gods men are being beaten up to think this is a solution. I am im absolute convinced of the solution for this problem is not in libya libya is not. A viable state to provide to a safety for this people we need to find the solutions. We thought we had come to the white house acquiescing at this with the countries of origin. Mets also twenty s. As european states in libya authorities are jointly implementing a blockade on the ability of people to seek safety. Ahmed maher put to go along with this its even worse than that db are paying militias now. To stop trafficking people across the debt military and see. Now date do it and day traffic not clinics this is the right idea to to to to protect us and donont think so. What we are seeing in these days that that there are a lot of short . Termism implementing measures are a which are taken n now whichi destroying that that on. The long term about of solutions we meet. Giving arms to the army of chuck. Means that they gonna keep their way there the refugees now but the gun not to produce more refugees gonna happen definitely. And you can see there are a lot of dirty deals with dictators in these days you can see it in egypt or and especially in turkey. Which is a very very bad idea and should stop being blackmailed by the his high styria of of of the of and then feed off of those people. Who just are driving the the struck think economc hardship . How on earth are you going to address those problems at source . It is a very very long term process but if you dont stop it then the year two thousand fifteen was just the beginning. We have a situation that some people its. Speak about protecting our borders. Then there was a time when protecting meant. Theyre protecting against enemies and now we are protecting us against people who are asking for all i hope. This is a terrible situation the only way to answer this is have legal base for migrants. Who gives them the opportunity to come with the ship over thin yep plane and not risk the sicily boats . This im saying i know this month change something in our country but i dont think that this is a problem. So no limits. Yeah feel limits. We would help people who are asking for help and this is a a policy and this is what we are fighting for authority you have fifty million decided to come over to do anything as we have now. Sixty seven million on the vault who are fleeing sixty seven million this the highest number. What do you think how many of them are coming to the Western State . Only find what and they highest personality there and get my bottle there will always called them. Asking for hope in poor countries and be out getting healthier this is the truth right plu. We could. Ntas need to think. One in country doesnt only have to have the advantages of the European Union but also the burdens that go with that. Thinking we have to go mother long term things we talked about answered. Everything what was said by the lady in yellow has outside of our his hands as if to look under. My name. We offered to move on to the next question which is on turkey follows well from that and its from sasha solid type. Sushant south like we have your question please. Thank you good evening. And how do you see this how do you insist on human rights in turkey. But envoy to o. Uniting a huge and important country. Thank you. Thank you very much. How do you insist on human rights in turkey but avoid alienating a huge and important country does any of you actually have a clear policy on the . You know hard for your at your hand up for us the first we should we should to a heightened should finally take a tear language. We did in for the last two years we had a chance theyre going to turkey. And and meeting up with with bit out a one one be before elections but refusing a meeting with the the opposition that thats what i would call campaigning. For anyone and this was the worst thing you can do a second we of course have to. To rethink the. The Customs Union and on the question of how far of economic aid which is not. Coming to the to the people on the debt not benefitting off it but but and wonders and the last one is. Watching whats going on with the saudis of the country which is a civil wa. Behalf to stop for a from selling arms to anyone this is this should be over now immediately because he is using it to get in own people. I think its a kurdish mililitias and and d and and north of syria we who are fighting isis by the way theyre doing it not about drug the russians but this is not a. Andrew as nick i i know the government has come back. By more than half on the number of weapons that are being sold turkey and then not being considered on a case by case basis but this is a country that is being accused. Of massive Human Rights Violations how can how can you continue to sell arms to them a toll one as weve seen these this week a turkey is now starting to by robert piece massively in russia for that is that. Is are you saying you dont do it all israel. It is not a hard position it did you know yon overall. On freedom of expression but at the same time keeping keeping it open dialogue and open prompted specially to those parts. Of turks society and this is at least fifty percent who look towards europe and to whats best people in the west. For democratic instead of yemen may not be a short Term Solution but it is something that is. In the it al best interest medium and long term and im just like the. The un types of massive Human Rights Violations hundreds of alleged unlawful killings you still provides the instruments to kill is there no limit. To the Human Rights Violations that berlin will put up with is there no limit to that. I think we have to look very carefully in case by case to what is what is under consideration for under under weapons exports. But it would be i think. Undirected a seem to really look at this up at the issue of weapons as a key question of how would you was talking with very of that. A different other things to to do with that. Whether its a at german prisoners in turkish a presence whether its a question whether we need to issue a travel warning at some point. And to some question of how germany wants to be seen abroad. Its tolerating human rights abuses. Well even if have from an ally on a massive scale and that the problem is you start to criticize turkey when the first german citizens are in prison and and went up to fifty five. The person to join israeli prisons they started to undermine that movement in law and the liberal flow into it and nobody. Said anything on that in the German Government about the different german to the web of the ravages everyone was screaming with the prognosis is good and the bad. Right laugh about whats going on is is simply not true i wasnt on current. The night before that the chairman woman off the hdp wusa put in prison and i was supposed to meet her at nine am and im good at three am in the nine very fourteen p. I will criticism is not to turkey motors turkish people not to islam mother took his history our criticism is to adam. Hes the one who is responsible that these negotiations with that you need to be stopped and it. Because with a increasingly authoritarian nearly dictatorial rule by himself. Of course in this country has no chance sense no chance at all. Of joining the eu therefore its a very important to speak frank. And to support the opposition. Of the those at least who are still not jails. In my professional life i had to observe the latest last four elections there. As the chief observe although we see e. And i can tell you very clearly. The deterioration of the situation is dramatic and therefore we need to clearly address all criticism and that is not of the turkish people but compared to how many sorting party. Mycnn and by the way. And the debates high time i agree with. Meets. I its high time that that would go to the government the federal government finally takes measures. For example in stopping the pre exception financing of turkey. By the e. U. That is over to you severly be. The first and most important step is that we have to and of the bone of the year. Between germany and turkey. And ask i think and i dont want looks loudly and whats the plan be. Once you read that that dea. What about whatt i mean is that i love whats the whats the climate is that people who are asking for hoped to get help in the eu . And that not miss the outline is stopping them this is the plan. As long as he has this deal he can blackmail of our government into doesnt every day. A government is afraid to do something against them because they are afraid of the refugees. Which are coming if you end this year and i think this is the wrong decision. The second one is we have them until now. Victory plan via boom by trying to tie. This is terrible you know that the germans is how is it now a German Company is building tanks there. This is terrible we have to stop this right now but i have one difference to you missed the link. I dont think that we ultimately slip stop the negotiations ive i think we should suspect that because the turkey of mr. At one ten not be part of the you. But if i am thinking about the other half of the turks people. Who are not in favor of mister out of one i think we should de half the doors open for a may be Better Future . Last. I think we have a clear and credible position on that because weve for a long time so to democrats were in favor of. Keeping the turke. Fights against minorities so stopping arms deals suspending the talks about the of the european. And entrance in the European Union and also stopping the money going there and with clear german words. That therefore i think shows us right in and yes tough to add on. That very often telling him thats another thing to get away with it im. Not and. Have not the same opinion as far as the refugee. A question is concerned because. What does it mean cutting of the refugee deal thats not the point i mean what turkey israeli . In for a friend off as the the stopping of economic ties. And they are they have many refugees in their countries and they will. And they do something for them when we pay for that too would support that and think i think thats a good thing to do because. Most of the refugees have a better life interview than they have in their countries where they come from. But we should not be blackmailed. Accepting him and then Rights Violations by the turkish government arresting people and is spending democracy more and more so clear words no arms no money. And also economic pressure thats i think has to be done. And by the german go home is no report very briefly the us. Two point the first one is you you us though for for for a plan b. The afghanistan and the necessity of of the refugee deal with turkey started when germany push. Greece so hard that they need is sacked more on health of the people who are working with a more protection. This is why this has been necessary the second one is the question of the membership i would agree that we shouldnt stop its we should be should freeze it this moment. There is a point at its us as Michelle League justice mention half of the people in turkey. Refuse that away and one is going the fort the only perspective these people are half is the new pay union we shouldnt shut down as prospective at a when its right that. Christina anderson how do you balance the importance of turkey while i was human rights violence was really surprised that down. And world news three people im. Agreeing to what weve been. Having in our manifesto for a long time. And of course we have to stop that deal with and with turkey. And the point of the matter is. Merkel was making this deal with air no on why hill that Human Rights Violations had been going on for quite sometime