White House Press Secretary sarah sanders. Senator franken admitted wrongdoing, the president hasnt. Dickerson spectacle is not slowing progress on the mammoth tax reform bill which passed the house. Thank you. Going really well. Dickerson but faces less certain future in the senate where tempers are already short. Tax cut sell really is not for the middle lags its for the rich. Ive been here working my whole stinkin career for people who dont have a chance. I really resent anybody saying that im just doing this for the rich. Give me a break. With all due respect i get sick and tired of mr. How many times i get a little tired of that crap. If we brought together we can build this country dickerson will the middle class really benefit from this tax package well talk with budget director Mick Mulvaney. Plus arkansas republican senator tom colt ton who is pushing provision to end the Obamacare Mandate in the tax bill. California democratic congresswoman Jackie Speier who is leading the effort to change attitudes about sexual harass the. Also have plenty of political analysis, its all coming up on face the nation. Good morning, welcome to face the nation. Im john dickerson. Minnesota democrat al franken stayed out of sight so far this week end as senators from both parties and franken himself have called for an ethics investigation into charges that he made unwanted advances towards model Leann Tweeden during a 2006uso trip. As for roy moore with the familiar alabama special election scheduled three weeks from tuesday, it will be up to the voters to determine whether or not hell make it to the senate. We begin with cbs news correspondent dean ron whod is in birmingham. Dean, what are the chances that mr. Moore goes to washington . Well, theyre not very good, john. If the birmingham news has anything to say about it. There you see their editorial today, reject roy moore. They found him unfit on many levels beyond just the improprieties that are alleged with younger women in his days as a prosecutor when he was in his 50s. More over this editorial endorses deb jones, his democratic opponent. It is just the latest attempt to block moores path to washington. Judge roy moore, self styled champion of the Ten Commandments has claimed the support of evangelicals in his race for the senate but some in that community were pushing back this weekend. The reverend said moores world view made him unfit even before the allegations of impropriety emerged. Moore image ins the struggle for equality in america as a story of loss. No one got to ask moore about that or much of anything else because he spent much of the week dodging questions. No elaboration on his defiant stands against his women accusers. Scurrilous, false, charges, not charge, allegations which i have emphatically denied time and time again. His lawyers try to discredit those accusers in one case doubting moores inscription on a womans year book around the time she says he attacked her. The year book so we can determine is it genuine or a fraud. And as his wife said on friday hes in for the long haul. He will not step down. He will not stop fighting for the people of alabama. Moores core support estimated at no more than 0 of eligible voters here, they are deeply committed as columnist steve flowers explained. Moores people will not, the 7580yearold guy hes circling his calendar. Its a political cliche but it is true in alabama, turn out will be everything. Yet few people think the turn out will exceed more than 20 of eligible voters which could provide a window of opportunity for roy moore and his very, very dedicated followers. John . Dickerson Dean Reynolds for us in birmingham, thanks, dean. If roy moore does get elected, next move up to his colleagues were joined by one potential republican colleague, senator tom cotton of arkansas. I want to talk taw about tax reform in a moment. Lets talk about this moore situation for a moment. Corey gardner one of your 8 00 leagues in charge of getting republicans elected said that they should ex spell moore if he wins, would you support that . John, first let me take a step back from roy moore speak in general about Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault. Very serious matter, has no place on the job. No plausible our society. I think sadly too many women have faced that over the course of their lives. Its not a partisan issue, there are misbehaving men in both democratic and republican parties, unfortunately there are female victims. Its happened in your industry, in hollywood, in business. So i think its important that women feel if they have been subject to Sexual Harassment that they can come forward now. The Harvey Weinstein allegations broke about a month or so ago thats a good thing. Thats a good change in the norms and expectations of our society. As far as roy moore goes im not going to speculate about what may happen should he win. Were three weeks out from the election, he made it pretty clear this week that hes not going to step aside. As you said in your intro up to the people of alabama to make that decision. You said you wouldnt encourage people of alabama to vote for him. What is better for Senate Republicans if roy moore wins comes to washington as republican or if a democrat wins . What is better for Senate Republicans and the American People is that we focus on the work ahead of us which is a tax bill that cuts middle class taxes, taxes on business and repeals the hated Obamacare Mandate. The people of alabama will make the decision. Dickerson let me ask you about this form youre talking about that have changed because of this change in American Culture which is going acrosS Corporations, media, congress. Al franken faces a moment now, what is the emerging standard in terms of how you assess these accusations that come forward for somebody . I think its hard to generalize about all cases in general. Because each case there is particular different kinds of allegations, different kinds of conduct, different kinds of evidence. Its important that we take the issue of Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault seriously and that we take each case on its individual merit and eval valuate carefully. Dickerson on this new norms, lot of people said, well there were dozen or so accusers for President Trump should these new norms cause reevaluation of those who came forward said that he had assaulted them or what happened in the middle of the campaign, American People had their say on that as well. I think what is important is that we take all of these things seriously and that we move forward and each individual case we have people who are charged with weighing the evidence, whether its court of law, Sexual Harassment case, Senate Ethics committee as al frank enhas said. Dickerson it seems to me position is, the voters spoke, thats it for the president. Why wouldnt that be the case with moore . Voters speak in washington. That will be an important decision if the people of alabama will make. Again, if he comes to the senate because the people of alabama elect him and someone files a complaint with the Senate Ethics committee as they have done with al fran en, up to the Ethics Committee all the individual senators to make a decision based on their findings and recommendations. I wouldnt to speculate about hypotheticals in the future. Dickerson lets move on to tax reform. 13 Million People will be without coverage if the individual mandate is removed as youd like to see in this tax cut plan. What happens to those 123 1 3rd million . John, remember what the hated Obamacare Mandate is. It finds american family, insurance that made unaffordable in the first place. This bill doesnt cut that single dime from medicaid, doesnt cut a single dime from the insurance subsidy or change single regulation. It says the irs cannot fine you if you cannot afford health insurance. This has no i am pact on anyone who wants to get health insurance. Under obamacare, individual exchanges are or under medicaid expansion. Simply says that working families and poor americans because fur out of five americans who pay this fine make less than 50,000 will no longer be fined for not being able the afford their insurance. Dickerson the people wont get insurance they will get si sick, go to emergency rooms, prices will increase. Premiums will increase also because insurers will be insuring a sicker pool of people. So you got premiums going up which whats your answer to that . My answer is that we that we need to solve the problems that obama made worse. We worked over the summer, we failed, i wish that wasnt the case with a fashion bill now that will repeal the most hated and unpopular the individual mandate no, sir more than a tax on working families and poor americans. I hope next year we return to health care, but focused on this tax bill. Dickerson also a tax if theyre premiums go up, a little bit of middle class tax but but if peoples premiums go up doesnt that negate the tax cut . Thats not right. Every income group under the senate bill will see a tax cut. Now, if you voluntarily choose not to get your insurance through obamacare premiums then the federal government will not be paying tax subsidy not to you individually but insurance company. Thats a result of voluntary choice that you make based on your own familys needs and finances. Dickerson the joint Committee Found that these tax cuts expire and middle income will see the tax cut go away. But also lisa seems to have different view. If the tax put is offset by higher premiums, you havent delivered a benefit. So she seems to think that removing individual mandate does have affect that negates senator mr. Company ski has been a leader, part that goes with exploration for oil and gas in the arctic circle. Shes also said that she doesnt have any preconditions on this vote and, remember, vast majority of people on the Obamacare Exchanges are getting subsidies. If their premiums do go up theyre still going to get higher subsidies. Also, lets look what premiums have happened over the last four years with the mandate in place. More than doubled since 2013. They are projected to go up by 37 next year. Obamacare is already failing with the mandate, we shouldnt be fining poor people and working American Families because they cant afford the insurance thats going up. Dickerson senator mr. Company ski says shes does have preconthat the insurance needs to be stabilized in order for her to vote on the tax cut. Let me ask you one quick question before we go. The air force general, john hyten head of the Strategic Command said he would push back on order from President Trump to launch Nuclear Strikes. Youre on the Armed Services committee, the push back on Nuclear Strike that he considered to be illegal. What is your take on that . John, since the dawn of the nuclear age weve recognized the practical reality that the president has to hold in his hands the decision to use our Nuclear Weapons. If theres a first strike against the United States the president has a matter of minutes not hours, not days but matter of minutes to make that decision. It simply doesnt make sense to have congress involved in the matter. However, what we hope to do is to be able to deter any country from ever launching that kind of trike us whether its north korea or russia or china ornear nuclear power. Thats so important that President Trump largely succeeded on his trip to eric last week to put more pressure on kim young unnot to use those Nuclear Weapons in. In nonretaliatory situation youre okay in the way the system works . Its never been the policy of the unitte renounce the first use of Nuclear Weapons. It wasnt president obamas policy either. I hope that we never have to employ our Nuclear Weapons. But in a nonretaliatory situation, sure, a president has hours or days to make a considered deliberate decision that is why he has joint chiefs and commanders and Strategic Command. Dickerson senator cotton, thank you so much. Thank you, john. Dickerson the debate over Sexual Harassment moved into the halls of congress after California Democratic congresswoman jockey speier went public with her own experience of unwaexual advances as a young capitol hill staffer. Speiers revelation inspired leann tweed tone come forward with her allegations against senator franken. This week, congresswoman speier introduced legislation in the house aimed at fighting Sexual Harassment in congress. And she joins us this morning from palm springs, california. Congresswoman, start with something you wrote, you said that its clear the good old boys mentality of capitol hill still persist after all these years. It is perhaps the worst ive seen in 0 years of working on these issues. Old boys club was bad youre saying its worse now . Well, i think its worse in part because we have ha system in place that allows for the harasser to go unchecked. Doesnt pay for the settlement himself and is never identified. The office of compliance to which victim must apply or complain is a place that has really been an enabler of Sexual Harassment for these many years because of the way its constructed. Dickerson as congress and the larger culture tries to figure out what the standard is for treating accusers who come forward, Something Better than what has been where they have been blocked, but also something that doesnt allow false accusations how does that standard get determined in your mind . Well, first of all, we have to make sure that a complaint is taken seriously. And that the person who is the victim is not somehow tortured or intimidated into not filing the complaint. Thats what it is right now in congress. Theres a onemonth period where your counseled, another month where you go to mandatory mediation you have to sign a nondisclosure agreement at the front end. A month of cooling off period, that is truly ridiculous, its important for us to remember, too, john, that over 890 of 90 of those who have been vehicles wallly harassed or sexually assaulted are telling the truth. All these victims who have come forward with roy moore or with the president or with al franken, all of them i think have to be we expect to believe them because for the most part they are telling the truth. Theres no gain for them to come forward lots of down sides, frankly. Dickerson whats your view about evaluating the situation, you mentioned the president , the white house seems to suggest and senator cotton suggests that the voters knew about this they voted for him so its an issue thats in the past. How do you see it . I think there is some truth to that. If the president was running today, i bet he would not be elected because i think we have had a huge cultural shift that 40 years in the making, but i think all of us are grateful now that there is a new day for women in the workplace where they do not have to put up with sexual advances that are unwand that they do not have to live and work in a hostile work environment. And thats going to be good for all of us in the workplace. Dickerson as that cultural shift takes place, some people have argued, some democrats and liberals argued that reevaluation of bill clintons presidency is required, what do you think about that in order to be clear about what the new standard is and use elements from the past that are wellknown. First of all lets remember that he did face impeachment. It wasnt as fit was just tossed to the side. He faced impeachment. I think that the victims who came forward were not treated as they should have been, they should have been believed because as i pointed out, most people who come forward are telling the truth. Dickerson in the case of al franken what is your feeling about that, there have been columnist that have written that basically again, liberals have said he must leave the senate in order to for democrats to retain credibility or open to the charge that democrats apply it when it comes to republicans, that are more generous when it comes to their own team. I think its appropriate for the Ethics Committee to do an investigation, senator franken has actually agreed to that as well. I also think that it has to be determined if theres a pattern of Sexual Harassment. Incidents have to be severe or they have to be ones that happen over a period of time. I think well wait and see what the investigation determines. Dickerson is that instructive distinction then, pattern versus specific mistake in terms of what might penalize somebody but be the difference between penalizing and expulsion . Thats what the courts have held with Sexual Harassment cases. If theres a pattern then Sexual Harassment is found to be in existence. If its a one event and maybe a conversation versus Sexual Assault or an unwanted sexual advance, it really depends on the circumstances in all of these cases. Dickerson final question on different topic on tox, in california voted for the house tax cut bill in which deductibility of state and local taxes is no allowed. They were told at least one of them was told, that will get fixed later and californians who have had taxes will be able to du what is your do you believe that . No, i dont believe it. I think forl of those members who handed tr constituents a 10,000 tax increase thats what here talking about. When you take the state and local taxes and the property taxes, and the mortgage deduction that is reduced the 500,000 is a huge hit for every single california family. Dickerson congresswoman, thanks for being with us. Well be back in one minute with white house budget director Mick Mulvaney. [ click ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ clacking continues ] good questions lead to good answers. Our advisors can help you find both. Talk to one today and see why were bullish on the future. Yours. Dickerson were back with Mick Mulvaney the director of gement and budget. Mr. Director, i want to start with the individual mandate. Something the president wants, its in the bill now, part in the senate just make the numbers add up. If it was taken out would the president be okay with maybe cutting that corporate rate to 22 all the way down to 20 to make up that money that they need in the senate . No. I dont think so. I dont think anybody doubts where the president is on repeal or replace. The white house would love to see obamacare taken apart all at once, bit by bit. However we can do it. That being said, theres a couple of things that the president has been very clear on from the very beginning. Number one, middle class ordinary americans working folks have to pay less and has to be simpler. Number two, that cax rate has to be as low as possible. Virtually wanted it at agreed we leadership to go to 20 as part of the early discussions here. I dont think youll see us interest in going above 20 so, i think at the end of the day, john, what were interested in is the best tax bill that can pass. If a good tax bilk pass with that obama mandate, great. If it needs to come out in order for that good tax bill to pass, we can live with that as well. T those two things, middle class tax cut and Corporate Tax. Theres no question as youve said the president wants it at 20. Nobody ever doubted whether corporations will get that reduction to 20 really in all the conversation ive seen. In the middle class its fuzzier, used to be that they would say everybody in the middle class get a tax cut. Now the joint committee shown that 24 1 4 million because. Sunset provision, theyre not going to get tax cut. Taxes are going to go up. It seems when you look at the way this is played out corporations are so solid, nobody saying theyre not going to get what theyre going to get. The middle class is not so solid. Its awfully fuzzy. Isnt that the reverse of what elected donald trump . I think what youre seeing, scratching the surface, welcome to my world. Now dealing with the world of senate scoring, keep in mind go back to the beginning of this process one of the big things that happened just the house and the Senate Passed the same budget, theyre allowed to use reconciliation to pass this bill in the senate with only 50 votes. In order to do that, they give great deal of control to the Congressional Budget Office they have to say it source a certain way. The only reason that youre seeing these middle class tax cuts supposedly expire after five years, part of it at least, to score it in a certain fashion. Take this round pg try to shove it into a square hole. No one really wants those things to happen. Think its good policy it becomes permanent like most of the bush tax cuts did. Dickerson the other side because those rules are in place for a reason. But we got to take a break. Wel be more with Mick Mulvaney when we come back. Stay with us. It lets you know where your data lives, down to the very server. It keeps your insights from prying eyes, so theyre used by no one else but you. It. Is. The cloud. The ibm cloud. The cloud thats designed for your data. Ai ready. Secure to the core. The ibm cloud is the cloud for business. Yours. What if we could keep more amof what we earn . D. 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Dickerson also, people are saying, i think you suggested this before the break, that eye shanely if people like the tax cuts theyre going to get continued. Future congress will do this. Isnt that slightly dishonest you are hoping, im not saying you, in this general argument, youre bakesly saying these are going to continue Just Trust Us and also the budget impacts on deficit again, which has an affect on the economy, those are not being taken into account but youre assuming that these tax cuts if the senate rules are different everything would be permanent or as permanent as anything is in washington, d. C. , clearly new government can change the law. But go back to the example of the bush tax cuts which were supposedly temporary he they worked, people liked them, they became permanent law. Which is where we are today. Again, i want confuse things that we do to try and shoehorn into the senate rules. Dickerson let me ask think question, the tax cuts are built an on idea that corporations that once their tax rates are reduced that they will pass on to the middle class people. Gary cohen the white house Economic Advisor was at a ceo meeting, you will wall street journal hosted, the audience east having asked to apps create more american jobs they wanted show of hands. Hands did not shoot to the ceiling are he noted that more people, this is central premise hot this is going to work, a lot of doubt about that. I asked him about that afterwards. My guess is, if im a fortune 500 ceo im not going to tell my competitors who are sitting next to me what im going to do next year. They are going to do what is in their best interest to invest here. Because not only would tax rates be lower but going to expense all of their capital expenses so every new machine that they buy, every new factory that they build they will write off immediately against their tax. That is a tremendous incentive not only folks not to leave the country in the first place, but for folks who have left to come back and thats what we think is so important in reestablishing the connection between corporate success and the success of the ordinary family. Go back over 70 years before 2008, every Time Corporation profits went up 1 , average Household Income went up by 1 . Since then, Corporate Taxes are up i think 11 and Household Information are up 0. 3. We need to reestablish that connection so that when companies do well families do well. Dickerson people who are going to see their taxes maybe go up if this tax cut doesnt last they hope the economy turns out and behaves the way you want. Sen senator johnson from wisconsin, republican, said on cnn what i want to see is the information to prove the Economic Growth were going to get. Even he is skeptical of a publif lot of this bill is skeptical about this central theory that is at the heart of it. Senator johnson is sort of honed in on one thing that we knew was the last big substantive piece of the puzzle. How to deal with the passthrough entities, S Corporations, llcs and partnerships. Their tax are different than c corporations. Tax at the individual level. So when you start to lower the Corporate Tax rate its arguably putting S Corporations at disadvantage that needs to be worked out. Sen to johnson hit on this, it needs to get fixed but im comfortable that it will be. Dickerson its going to cost money if it is. Not to keep more of their own money. Costs money to spend money you dont have. Thats another issue. Dickerson thanks soap nor dickerson thanks soap nor being with us, well be right back with our political panel. She had so many children she had to buy lots of groceries. While she was shopping for organic fruits and veggies, burglars broke into her shoe. They stole her kids Mountain Bikes and tablets along with her new juice press. Luckily the Geico Insurance agency had helped her with Homeowners Insurance. She got full replacement on the stolen goods and started a Mountain Bike juice delivery service. Call geico and see how affordable Homeowners Insurance can be. Dickerson go to our political panel, ruth marcus Editorial Page Editor of the Washington Post. A Senior Writer at the national review, were also joined by susan page Washington Bureau chief for usa today. And ed okeefe who covers politics on capitol hill for the Washington Post also cbs news contributor. Ed, ill start with you. Whats going to happen with roy moore . You know, doesnt look like hes leaving the race or republicans outside of alabama can do anything to compel him to do it. Means it will cause probably political headaches or National Republicans throughout the rest of the year. A poster boy for what democrats would think is wrong with washington and with the Republican Party. And if Mitch Mcconnell threats this past week were true it will lead immediately to ethics investigation of the new senator, possibly concurrent with the one that would be underway for al franken and maybe also one underway for senator bob menendez who is coming back after the thanksgiving break from a federal corruption trial. It will be interesting year, certainly. Dickerson and at this point republicans just have to probably hope that theres nothing else out there that is even more yet theres reason to believe that there is. Dickerson Senate Ethics committee, senator menendez was found to have mistrial this week which is triggered the move by mcconnell. David, welcome. Answer the question i pose to tom cotton, what what is better for republicans, if he wins or loses . Clearly better if roy moore loses. Couple of reasons. One it will be very Important Party hygiene. Steve bannon needs to lose. Roy moore needs to lose. Those who are connected right now. If what people many people are forgetting blot that this would be not just to the roy moore side of the g. O. P. Which needs to lose but the steve bannon enterprise of trying to destroy the g. O. P. As we know it. He needs to be discredited, if he helps lose a senate seat in one of the brightest, reddest states in the nation, why would anyone listen to steve bannon ever again. So that is, i think, an incredibly important potential moment of party hygiene. We dont know if that is going to happen yet. Dickerson and susan, Mitch Mcconnell would have a senator come in who is clearly a improvisational character, roy moore, would couldnt this get managed the way Mitch Mcconnell thinks it could get managed or is he hoping he doesnt have to handle . If he could cast a vote, i think he was born in alabama, actually. Mitch mcconnell would not vote for roy moore. For one thing, roy moore is not a Mitch Mcconnell republican. Running on campaign to eject Mitch Mcconnell from the leadership. In no way is this good for Mitch Mcconnell even if it costs him one of those crucial Republican Senate seats. I think its hard to make a call on who is going to win that race, though. We do have democrat ahead in polls, one of the lessons from last years president ial campaign dont look at the polls, who is energized to show up. I dont think we know yet whether its diehard roy moore supporters or other people in alabama who are disgusted by what theyre seeing. Dickerson ruth, democrats are disgusted but are they going to turn out in alabama and in some ways, democrats are enjo enjoying this moment leading morality aside, many are happy to, to see Republican Party stuck with a roy moore. Sure. I think you need to listen who is look at who is energized also need to look who is disgusted. I think there are lot of republicans in alabama who arent going to rouse themselves to go out and vote for democratic candidate. But who just would prefer to stay home, hold their noses see what happens. Dickerson ruth, tell us, we got historical change happening here across the society and in washington with respect to capitol hill. Name that nt temp us what moment were in . I think were in chapter 3. Chapter one was anita hill and Clarence Thomas where a lot of people who probably should have known better discovered that there was this problem called Sexual Harassment in the workplace. And yes, women didnt always go yelling and screaming about it at the exact moment that it happened. Chapter two was monica lewinsky, bill clinton. Chapter three is now, i think this is probably the most significant chapter of them all. Where we are is we understand that theres a lot of this behavior is rampant, theres a lot of need that is into the wo. Ele. And we have not been serious enough about dealing with it. Where we what we havent figured out yet s what is the appropriate punishment for each for various transgressors. Thats what were grappling wit. Dickerson one of the things were grappling with is al franken in the senate. What is your sense of columnist, New York Times says he must go, democrats lose credibility. Felt like real pressure, where is that pressure now on him . I think if theres something else, either before he was a senator or especially since he became a senator, at that point its just n if ap if this is it. If they have the meeting that the accuser says he asked for and shes agreed to have and it goes well and he commits to an ethics investigation, and finds theres no other reason to believe that heomething inappropriate, a cloud will hang over him forest of his senate tenure as it has f actuan interested point in her column this week, to what extent wil will if theres a risk that people are over punished or over reaction to this, there have to bede at the capital in how congress deals with this. But i think theres argument to be made that there could be over reaction and that would add to all the concerns that people have for scrutiny being too hot on people and keeping them from potentially engaging in public service. Action here, i dont think that senator franken should have to reshine based on where we are now. But i think there is a reasonable possibility that that use the word poster boy before, he is very unfortunate poster boy for democrats, thats not good for them. To some extent hes going if he is forced to resign it will be because hes paying for the under reactions to bill clinton in the past and democrats failure to pay enough attention. You talked about this being were still living with the reverberations of chapters one and two. If joe biden runs for president in 2020 as he clearly hopes to do well revisit the committees hearings he chaired with senator judiciary for Clarence Thomas where anita hill was not taken seriously. And we have continued to see a reconsideration of whether democrats in general and feminists in particular took charges against bill clinton seriously enough. Dickerson one thing is, line drawing, im seeing line drawing in hollywood, Harvey Weinstein paid a price, kevin spacey paid a price, titles are being yanked down from netflix. Corporate america. If evidence like that get out with al franken emerged in any of my private sector workplaces, that person would be gone. Where i dont see line drawing is politics. I dont see it in politics. I believe people in politics are taking seriously this moment when someone in loses their career lets be honest, these careers arent all that important. He will be replaced by ather democrat. Cant even draw a line then . American people look at that say where are the lines being drawn in my life not in politics. Dickerson there is also another line thats being drn,et congresswoman speier andd for trum reevaluation of president clinton. At the norms are in this isnt the president a pagiven tt there are dozen accusers and some form of athats dreadful. Lt what donald trump has beencrediy more than dozen people should be swept under the rug. E here on tt is, only the of donald trump voters believe the allegati yaw, true and im for him. They just fl it. That makes eight very mak it very difficult to hold him accountable. About big cultureout line shift, shift toward believing the women. Against celebrity accusers, prominent accusers. Im not sure weve yet seen a Culture Shift for women who work at walmart more clean hotel rooms or work on factory floors who are subject to the same kind of abuse that women who work in law firms and on capitol hill are subject to. That would be a real Culture Shift. Dickerson said, franken and President Trump that al franken admitted, is the line basically, what signal does that send if youre a politics. Well, that if you are they let you get away witness. Es very difficult position here because first attitude towards roy moore was if he did it then he has to said, i believe these women. Leader of the party, Mitch Mcconnell said, i bieve these women. If he cant say i believe him because that racess the question if we believe them why shouldnt we believe the women who are accusing you. I think its a really tough question for him to answer, the am of trying to duck and cover and avoid this. He went out and characteristically made his life more difficult by tweeting about al franken. Dickerson also hit the clintons by believes the accusel them to the debate. Did he yeah. Now really tricky situati understand that this is hes talking out of both sides of his mouth. To credit Mitch Mcconnell, he began this week by very clearly saying, i believe the women. He getting a senate seat, wants to do everything to stop him from coming. But the fact that the most Senior Member congrs said that, or Senior Member of Congress Said it very clearly, everyone else to fall into place allowed franken thing to be dealt with so quickly that was a key part of Chapter Three as we go forward that we saw such a vane senior political leader. Dickerson earl back taken second with another chapter well talk about tax puts and the rest with our panel, stay with us. She even now. Anything slow her down. And aetna is moving medicare forward right along with her with Medicare Advantage plans that fit the way she wants to live. Aetna is building exclusive programs that connect our members to health and Wellness Resources right in their communities. Plus we offer 0 monthly plan premiums. Health and Prescription Drug coverage in one simple plan. And a limit on outof pocket medical costs you pay each year. Call aetna today and well send you a 10 reward card with no obligation to enroll. Aetna Medicare Advantage plans are built to help you enjoy life your way. Because getting older clearly isnt what it used to be. Dickerson were back with our panel. David, i want to start on tax cut question with you which is often in washington where we have these cultural moments everybody gets boxed up nothing gets done. Tax cut bill is moving rickety split through congress. Right. Lot of people have been down on them for doing nothing. Look, im optimistic something is going to get done here. Theres enormous pressure from every wing of the g. O. P. The g. O. P. Civil war is kind of settled on this one point, theres a need for tax reform. So i do think somethings going to happen and i do think what were going to get, its not exactly going to be the senate bill, not going house bill going to be Something Better than the status quo. What that is exactly going to be we dont know. Dickerson ruth, you care about budgets. Better than the status quo for who . Is one thing i might say. I think that the prognosis for this bill is really interesting. Every republican lawmaker that i know is desperate to see something pass. But there are two problems here. One is that they are not desperate, they dont know all agree on what that something is. The rubiks cube analogy before this is like super rbiks cube, so many pieces you can lose somebody on that Senate Majority is very slim. That house madge certificate is complicated. They have done nothing else legislatively theyre going to just have to run on Supreme Court nominee, but it congressal view. Yeah. I dont think thats great greatestaging. But if they pass it is that great news for republicans, maybe better than the aleres going to be lot of democratic messaging about hits to the middle class and favoring corporations with permanent tax cuts over the middle classman of whom will be worse off at the end of this. Dickerson do you think thats right, susan. Democrats see opportunity to rush in and say, wait, the middle class tax cuts expire for 14 million. Do they have an opportunity on this . They do, since they can argue, principle, that the trump family alone could benefit to the tune of more than 1 million if this particular tax bill passes. Another problem, the number 12, that is number of full legislative days left from now until the end of the year when they need to fund the government which runs out of money on december 8th. Deal with hurricane relief. It will in fact be rickety split as you said if they manage to do something by the white house deadline of christmas. To get a tax bill through. If they manage to do that it will be because theyre so interested in passing something that they wont care about exactly what it is theyre passing. Have to get something out of this. At least by christmas because otherwise if roy moore thing doesnt turn out the numbers in the senate will change and lose one republican senator. There are at least two, ron johnson, Lisa Murkowski who have real issues with tax bill. Is that real opposition or is that the opposition you get . Id tweak it say, ron johnson for sure based on some comments he made this morning, Susan Collins has legitimate concerns. Murkowskis point we need to stabilize the markets. Bipartisan bill, office clarified later friday despite some comments she made earlier in the day, contingent on her support for the tax bill. Shes expressing a concern that some of her republican colleagues have. I would watch more the people, republican senators who are concerned about things like the deficit. That is the bob corker, jeff flake, reasonable ron johnson then secondarily, whether or not this includes changes to the individual mandate. There you lose Susan Collins, maybe Lisa Murkowski, if the thing happening too fast, you may lose john mccain who has been arguing thisth has to be done fairly to both sides because of last weeks deliberation. Can i jump in on the deficit. Full agreement here. Neither can the deficit. Right. On point, were going to pass this but going to be fiscally responsible because its going to be only 1. 5 trillion. Budget director made clear to you in his comments that that is not the intention at all. The intention is to eventually make these individual tax cuts permanent to the tune of closer to over 2. 2 trillion dollars. If you think that youre fiscally responsible to only afford a 1. 5 trillion tax cut, you should not vote for this because everybody is saying its going to cost more than that. Dickerson david, give me a tense of two things. One what ruth says and what happened to the fiscal hawks. Then secondly you mentioned steve bannon and people he supports and the kind of core of the trump message. How does this tax bill line up with them that corporations are going to go down to 20 . Do they care or do they buy the argument from trump i really cant believe that this trump populism thing is not really a meaningful Ideological Movement in the Republican Party. Trumpism is the personal ambition of donald trump. Thats trumpism. This populism is a relatively small slice of the g. O. P. Pie. Were not looking at a big political sea change here. The people who make up trumps base are very far more concerned with the perception that donald trump exceeding than they are with any given line item of the quote, unquote, general d. I think that bottom line analysis here, does trump help get tax reform passed if the answer is, yes, nada. If the answer is, no. Then, well, its mitch and paul ryan, not donald trump. That will ultimately receive the blame in trump world. But i think that weve gotten down to sort of post ideological age when it comes to the success of donald trump where the most important thing is, perceived by his fans as the success of drum 7. Dickerson make America Great again for anyone who doesnt know that susan page, 16 in a poll thought they were going to get a tax cult here. What david says about the trump voter rings true from the trump voters ive talked to. What about the rest of the country . I think its a tough sell for the rest of the country. Especially because some of the arguments theyre making are owe seesly disproved. For instance, the idea that the estate tax is going to Small Businesses. This year, 80 farms and Small Businesses are affected by the estate tax. Its estate tax benefits is the wealthiest americans, only 5,000 or so of whom get caught in the estate tax. I think that the idea that the reality of the tax cut helps the rich at the expense, raising taxes over the long term for families is something that makes difficult for republicans. Dickerson well be back in a moment. Dickerson thats it for us today until next week for face the nation im john dickerson. 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