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This is all going to blow up. Chris as the investigation moves to the house Judiciary Committee, new questions about how the process will play out. We will go with the facts take us. There is nothing more dangerous than an unethical president who believes there above the wall, claw. 11 months before the next election. We will discuss a potential senate trial with republican senator john kennedy and asked congressman eric swalwell, are democrats and too much of a hurry . Then, ten candidates take the stage in the fifth democratic debate. Well ask our panel about the state of the race as we look ahead to the first in the nation contest. And our power player of the week. Going viral by giving away cash on twitter. All come Fox News Sunday. Chris and hello again from washington. After 30 hours of public hearings, House Democrats are entering what may be the final phase of their impeachment investigation. The house Income Committee is writing a report to send to the Judiciary Committee which would write articles of impeachment. A full house vote could come by christmas. A senate trial would follow in 2020, a move President Trump says he would welcome. Meanwhile were learning some of the main conclusion of that Inspector Generals report on how the fbi conducted its investigation into possible links between the Trump Campaign and russia. In a moment we will talk with t, lets bring in Kevin Kennedy with the latest from the white house. Legally justified with no political bias, thats expected to be the findings of a soon to be released Inspector Generals report on the fbis opening at the trump russia probe into the Trump Campaign leading up to the 2016 campaign, however theres also some criticism about surveillance of onetime aid carter page leading up to the campaign. However, those familiar with the reports findings also say its author, Michael Horowitz, will cite serious missteps by officials including the alleged alteration of an email by an fbi lawyer. The report, which reportedly has launched criminal referrals is expected to be revealed decembeo days later by the testimony on capitol hill. Where, over a two week span, one dozen witnesses testified, arming democrats with material to consider writing articles of impeachment. And republicans, lauding a senate trial the president says he wants. Rudy giuliani insists hes done nothing wrong. Are you afraid that you could be indicted . What you think im afraid . Do you think i get afraid . I did the right thing. Irepresented my clients in a discovered a pattern of corruption that the Washington Press has been covering up for mach three or four the public pe appears to be over at the House Intelligence Committee can still interview mark witnesses in that inquiry. They will ultimately make the decision whether or not to move forward with articles of impeachment. Chris . Chris kevin, thanks. Joining us now, louisiana senator john kennedy, a republican on the senate Judiciary Committee. Welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Senator kennedy thank you, chris. Chris President Trump has been pushing a narrative for years at the fbi and other agencies of the government engaged in a conspiracy first to spy on his campaign and then to try to end or oust him from the presidency. Here he is just a couple of days ago. President trump this was spying on my campaign, something that has never been done in the history of country. This was an overthrow attempt of the presidency. Chris but as weve reported, the inspector gen thae yes, there was some misconduct, a low level fbi lawyer may have actually doctored a document which would be very troubling, but on the other hand, that there was a proper basis for opening the trump russia investigation, not political bias. Does that blow a hole in what the president has been saying . Senator kennedy i havent read the reports. Heres what i think right now. I think the fbi is the premier Law Enforcement agency and all of human history. I also think that there were a handful of men and women at the fbi and possibly in other agencies who, in 2016 acted on their political beliefs both against President Trump and against secretary clinton. Now the report. Mr. Horowitz is a serious, intelligent man and i will read his report with interest. Chris we should point out, Michael Horowitz is the Inspector General for the justice department. I just want to press a little bit about this, the report is expected to say that, yes, there was this low level lawyer at the fbi who doctored a document. Thats alarming, but here are his main conclusions, the opening of the trump russia investigation was legitimate and reportedly there is no finding that james comey or Andrew Mccabe or peter strzok took actions based on political bias. We have newspaper reports, we havent read the report directly but if that is what the Inspector General finds, will you accept that, sir . Well, theres this person running around washington, d. C. , chris, by the name of anonymous source and he keeps repeatedly getting quoted in articles. Im not saying you do that, but others do, and until i read the reports, im not going to draw conclusions based on allegations by the anonymous source. I will read mr. Horwitzs report carefully, i will draw my own conclusions. After reading the emails and watching mr. Comeys behavior, particularly with respect to secretary clinton, i think any fairminded american would look at those actions and say, theres a real possibility those people acted on their political beliefs. Now, if mr. Horwitz says otherwise i will consider it carefully but im going to read the report. Chris lets turn to the impeachment hearings and lets look at some of the highlights over the last two weeks. Here they are. The meeting president zelensky wanted was conditioned on the investigations of charisma and alleged appearance in the 2016 elections. It is improper to demand a Foreign Government investigating u. S. Citizen and a political opponent. Mr. Giulianis requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a white house visit for president zelensky. Senator, youve drawn an interesting distinction. Youve cited, in asking a foreign country to investigate corruption by someone who happens to be a political rival is okay but asking Foreign Government to investigate a political rival is over the line, so what do you see here . Do you see President Trump pushing on investigation or looking for dirt on joe biden . Senator kennedy heres what i see. I think Speaker Pelosi is acting insincere even by the standards of conference, congress. I think shes turning impeachment into a routine political weapon. I think nobody is above the uncy have not allowed the president to defend themselves on the house side, cant call witnesse witnesses, cant offer rebuttal evidence. In terms of the substance, i think the quid pro quo is a red herring. I think there are only two issues in this case. Number one, according to Speaker Pelosi, President Trump asked for the investigation of a political rival. There is another scenario, and that is that President Trump asked for an investigation of possible corruption by someone who happens to be a political rival. The latter would be in the national interest. The former would be in his sts. When ive raised this point of view about the analysis many of my friends in the media say, well, theres no evidence of any impropriety by hunter biden. And my response to that is that the absence ofnecessarily,e of evidence is not necessarily be evidence of absence if you dont look. I was just going to say, i was going to say Speaker Pelosi has not allowed the defense to offer rebuttal evidence in terms of the possible corruption that the president was looking into. Chris if theres a senate trial he will get the opportunity, but i just want to focus on this phone call because on july 25th the president is talking to ukrainian president zelinski. He doesnt talk about corruptio corruption. He just talks about two americans, joe biden and hunter biden. Doesnt it seem like he was really trying to get dirt on a political rival . And if so, what do you think thats a serious act on his part . Is that a crime senator kennedy in my opinion, and if i were back teaching and law school this is the way i would teach this case, it doesnt mean imth is the wae are only two questions that have to be answered here. Why did the president ask for an investigation . And, number two, this is inextricably linked to the first question, what did hunter biden do for the money . Now, you answer both of those questions and you can resolve this case fairly and thats the way i view it. It the quid pro quo i think is a red herring. The quid pro quo tells you nothing. What matters is whether it was an illegal quid pro quo which leads you right into what i think is the correct analysis, which is what i just gave you. But thats just one persons opinion. Chris so if the house, and its not a done deal, if the the motion to dismiss and there would be no trial at all, do you think it would be a twoweek trial weeks . And would you favor along both sides, democrats and republicans, to call witnesses . I think there will be articles impeachment issue. I think that Speaker Pelosis judicial philosophy from the beginning has been guilty. When it comes to the senate i do not think that the allegations will be summarily dismissed, i think there will be a trial, and im in favor of doing it in accordance with the due process and let everybody offer whatever they want to in terms of evidence and bring whatever witnesses they want to. If it takes a long time, you know, i am a senator, i dont mind sitting there as long as it takes. Chris finally, the president and his supporters have said that ukraine was behind the hacking of the dnc computers and that it wasnt russia. That was a big issue this week because former nsc official fiona hill said that that isnt russian disinformation. She debunked that. But on the other hand President Trump doubled down on that the very next day. Take a look, sir. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian Security services themselves. President trump they gave a server to crowd strike, or whatever its called, which is a Company Owned by a very wealthy ukrainian and i so want to see that server. The fbi has never gotten that server. Thats a big part of this whole thing. Chris senator kennedy, who do you believe was responsible for ukraine . Senator kennedy i dont know, nor do you, nor do to say the entire Intelligence Community says it was russia. Senator kennedy right, but it could also be ukraine. Im not saying that i know one way or the other. Im saying that ms. Hill is entitled to her opinion but no rebuttal evidence was allowed to be offered. We know, at least the republicans in the house wanted to call a witness, a dnc political operative who lobbied the Ukrainian Embassy to be involved and get involved in the 2016 election. We dont know if ukraine did that we dont know what extent because they wont let the president offer his evidence and thats why ill say, once again, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence if youre not allowed to call your chris senator kennedy, talk to you and even more interesting to listen to you. Thank you, thanks for joining us today, and have a good thanksgiving holiday, sir. Up next, democrats push their investigation despite the white house blocking key witnesses. Could that backfire, leaving big gaps in their case against President Trump . Democrat congressman eric sw next. Brought to you by charles schwab. Own your tomorrow. I wanted to have a firm that wanted to get everybody in. Because people couldnt access wall street. We wanted to be agents of change. New with a nationleadingg for th 150 billion commitmentss. 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So, as i discussed with senator kennedy, the Inspector General is expected to say when he releases his report in a couple of weeks that the original trump russia investigation was legitimate, was not based on political bias. But hes also going to find that there was some serious misconduct, a low level fbi lawyer apparently doctored some documents about the steele dossier. Isnt that alarming . Representative swalwell know, and i reviewed most of this evidence on the Intelligence Committee and we had concluded, they had all the reason in the world to open this investigation and this report shows that we want fbi agents, if they are told that any campaign is being reached out to buy a former government or agents of that government we want them to investigate this. If the lawyer at the fbi acted improperly that person should be held accountable. Chris what you think this says about the president still saying this was an attempt to stop him and overthrow his presidency . Representative swalwell it looks like the evidence is going to show otherwise. Its time for us to move on. But to respond to senator kennedys remark earlier that maybe it was russia, maybe it was ukraine, no, not at all. It was russia and as a country we have to make sure that we absolutely acknowledge it was russia, condemn russia for it, and it actually plays into russias hands if they have this equivalence with ukraine. Chris you are, as i pointed out, you dont end your role now because youre a member both house intel and house judiciary as to what happens no now . When does the Intelligence Committee issue its report, one will judiciary start hearing, and you expect judiciary it to hold open hearing am witnesses or constitutional scholars . Representative swalwell thursday was the last publicly scheduled hearing. Were still determining the evidence to determine what, if anything, should be done for this misconduct. But i dont want to speak for the chairman, chris, it would go to judiciary if we decided there needed to be a remedy and of course, the president , as we voted on, it would have rights and the Judiciary Committee to be a part of that process. Chris lets talk about his rights in the Judiciary Committee because under the House Resolution that was passed that authorizes this inquiry, the president does get to have a lawyer in the Judiciary Committee and it even talks about him being able to cross examine come up being able to call his own witnesses but there is an interesting article in that and it says that the white house continues to block witnesses from testifying than the chairman, jerry nadl th rights to shut down the white house lawyer. Even in the clinton impeachment hearing the president s lawyer, president clintons lawyer got to question ken starr. Are you really saying that you may shut down the white house lawyer . Representative swalwell the amount of obstruction here is unprecedented and i think it was frustrating to watch the last two weeks of hearings and hear the president say, you dont have direct evidence or all you have is hearsay, you need to hear from xyz person when the president is telling Mick Mulvaney, john bolton not to come in. I think that can bow to his consciousness of guilt but i dont think you should be rewarded and be able to play such a large part of the proceedings in the Judiciary Committee if theyre not going to give us any of the documents, thats chairman nadlers call. Chris you heard senator kennedy and you heard the republicans were the last two weeks thing, this unfair, you havent allowed us, in that case, the republicans come out to call their own witnesses. Some yes, but some no. And now heres a chance finally for the president s lawyer to participate and youre saying you may not allow that either. Representative swalwell im saying its unfair to prevent witnesses who are key witnesses from coming forward. That is monumentally unfair. Chris wouldnt it be worse to shut down the president S White House lawyer . Representative swalwell i dont know that that decision has been made yet. We see that for this process to be productive for the American People we need to have all of the documents. If the president is going to say, im not giving you any documents, not letting any relevant witnesses come in but i want to throw shots from the gallery and try to fog up this investigation, i dont know if thats productive either. Chris democrats that you have enough evidence tos of impeachment but you havent heard, its not your fault, its the white house, but you havent heard from a number of top witnesses including john bolton who is asking a court on december 10th, i got an order from the white house not to testify, you tell me what to do. The New York Times had an editorial this week and i want to put it up on the screen, the New York Times editorial argued, no matter is more urgent than impeachment but it should not be rushed for the production of the nations security and for the integrity of the presidency and for the future of the republic. So, why not slow down . Why not wait to see what the judge decides on december 10th . Why not take some of these cases to court . Why are you in such a rush when youre going to be missing some of the most important evidence you could conceivably get . Representative swalwell most importantly the president invoked an upcoming election and voters in just a few months are going to be voting in the upcoming caucuses. So theres an urgency to make sure the election and the ballot boxes have integrity if hes asking a Foreign Government to in are on the clock to make sure that that election is protected. We know that the Iowa Caucuses are in february chris the democrats are running against each other, not against donald trump. Representative swalwell one of the president s is who the president has asked a Foreign Government to create misinformation on. Your question is a fair owhat we weve asked for documents or witnesses, the president blocks those documents and those witnesses and this Court Process is a 912 month process so we could lose everything we value in our democracy waiting on the courts we already have powerful firsthand accounts from the witnesses who have come forward. And chris, is a former prosecutor what i think is most remarkable here, i dont think in modernday history youve seen a bigger investigation that relies entirely on firsthand accounts. Most prosecutors to prove their cases, they put emails, text messages, financial documents. Chris you talk about watergate. You know, you had firsthand witnesses in the oval office. John dean, haldeman, john mitchell. You dont have any of that. Representative swalwell we dont have as many courageous men in the white house like them right now but we do have a lot of the president s appointees who have come forward. People like fiona held. People like ambassador sondland, mr. Holmes. Chris most of them never talk to the president. Heres the argument. You guys say that the president used his political powers, used his office for his political benefit and what he is asking ukraine to do. Arent you using the same think about using your power for your political benefit which is, we cant wait, we got to get this before iowa . Representative swalwell we have powerful evidence already. If the president thought these witnesses could clear them he would allow them to come in. Whats more relevant than how long we should wait in the courts is the fact that the president wont let them come in. Innocent people would say, go cooperate with congress, i did nothing wrong. Only a guilty person would block people from coming into congres congress. Chris a Public Opinion has begun to actually move against you. Back in early october, people favored impeachment and removing the president by 52 46 . Now, thats turned to 48 for removal and 50 against. Thats an eightpoint swing against removing the president s while you been making your best case. Representative swalwell i saw an abc poll last week that said 70 of americans that with the president did wrong. A majority people did favor removing thet focused on the po. I know my colleagues arent either. This president leveraged his power, his great, fast power to ask a former government to help him cheat an election and i dont think we should be looking at the polls to decide what we should do. I think most americans recognize that its wrong and there have to be consequences. Chris i want to play something that you said this week. Here you are. Representative swalwell this is a crime spree in progress. We have what the president did with the ukrainians in his shakedown scheme of asking them to investigate his opponent. Chris the hardest evidence, people will have to go to the internet to find out what were talking about, the hardest evidence that youve got is that the president conditioned a white house meeting, a white house meeting on investigating the bidens. When it comes to actually holding up military aid, all you got our productions. Nobody who directly says thats what happens. Does not rise to the level of what you called a crime spree and more important, doesnt rise to the level of ousting, removing a duly elected president of the United States . Representative swalwell im not going to decide ultimately on impeachment yet. Were still weighing the evidence but its worthy of our time and actually theres three different conditions. One, the july 25 call, we learned in this last weeks hearing that there was condition to get the call the investigations had to happen. Then to get the white house meeting investigations had to happen. We have direct evidence of people saying, we talked to the president and learned that circumstantially we can prove the fact that the aide was withdrawn after the department of defense certified it. The aide was withdrawn for the ukrainians and everything we knew about the president when it related to ukraine was conditioned. So the july 25 call, the fact that the aide was withdrawn, circumstantially, and i should say, Mick Mulvaney in his press conference chris im not asking you to the stomach review the evidence, does not rise to the level . Representative swalwell if its proven, i think were getting pretty close to making a conclusion, if proven i dont think any president should be able to leverage their office to have another government cheat our elections. Chris thanks for coming in today and we will obviously be a following. Youre a busy guy between your two committees, thank you, sir. Up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss what is in that Inspector Generals report on the fbis investigation plus, what you would like to ask the panel about whether democrats should look at those polls when deciding whether to go ahead with impeachment. With impeachment. Just go to facebook or. Provide care in whole new ways. All working with a new generation of technologies powered by our gigspeed network. Because beyond technology. There is human ingenuity. Every day, comcast business is helping businesses go beyond the expected. To do the extraordinary. Take your business beyond. Chris coming up, Pete Buttigieg still struggles with a key constituency. This was another opportunity to reach out and connect with live voters so i can tell are still getting to know me and sizing me up. President trump they try to overthrow the presidency. This is a disgrace. But im not surprised to see it. Chris President Trump standing by his claim that the fbi was trying to bring him down when it opened its trump russia investigation in 2016. Now are starting to learn whats in that Inspector Generals report that will be released on december 9th. And its time now for our sunday group. Cofounder of the federalist, ben domenech, charles lane from the Washington Post , fox nes contributor jessica harlow, and kristin anderson. Then, as if insane, the president and his supporters have been pushing this narrative for years now that he was thepir intel agencies but weve now got on the initial reports about Inspector General Michael Horowitz, every buddy agrees hes a straight shooter which says, some lowerlevel fbi officials may have done some things wrong, and fbi lawyer may have doctored a document and thats obviously unacceptable but that the origins of the investigation was not politically motivated. Ben first off we should be clear that were discussing a report we havent read yet. Were getting these early reports about whats inside of it and i think we should all keep our judgment a little bit waited until we can go through this and see everything thats in it. But i do think theres a lot of different concerns here about the process that went on. People that might have done things at various points for an investigation that might not of gotten started but the real question i have stepping back from all of this is what we think needs to change about that process Going Forward . How can we prevent any kind of questions about what the fbi does in future elections because we know that there is going to be attempts by foreign agents in a lot of different ways to interfere with our process Going Forward. Thats not going away, so we need to make sure that those processes are really kept away from any kind of political bias. Chris jessica, your reaction to the reports, quite rightly, i will say they were widely circulated over the weekend, how do you expect the president and his supporters to respond if it turns out that there narrative about this conspiracy it turns out not to be true . Jessica i think i respond as they do always when theyre narrative is taken down a notch like it was last week by fiona hill in the impeachment hearings. Theyll turn around and say the same thing, they did this consistently with the bob mueller, this is a witch hunts, theres no factual basis for anything that they are claiming so democrats are going to have to figure out a way to effectively message this and probably not make it a linchpin of any 2020 campaign but get the information out there for those that care, that there was no political bias at the top level of the fbi, that the warrant was proper and legal and that the operation chris there was a doctoring of a document in the renewal. Jessica but horwitz still found that it was proper and legal to be bragged about being a kremlin informant. So democrats have to walk that line and i believe the president and his supporters will continue to do just as they havemaybe evo the deep state pool and say there was something wrong with the investigation. Chris of course we also have john durham, the u. S. Attorney in connecticut conducting a criminal investigation so thats still out there. Lets turn to impeachments and two, i guess, the democrats star witness, gordon sondland, here he is. Was their quid pro quo . The answer is yes. You really have no testimony that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from ukraine in exchange for these investigations. Other than my own presumptions. Which is nothing. Chris we ask you for questions for the panel this week about polls that are beginning to show that rather than building away. We got this on twitter from brian foster, how can democrats look at the poll now with regard to impeachment. Arent they all in at this point . Kristin, how do you answer brian and what do you make up the polls that show, not some dramatic drop in away but there certainly is not an increase in support as the democrats have been making their case over the last couple of weeks. Kristen impeachment is our break glass provision for the overturning of an election result in the face of enormous malfeasance on the part of the president. And what democrats have shown through a fairly compressed timeline of just a couple of weeks of open testimony has been, in some cases a game of telephone quite literally, some ink blot test,in the absence of something that dramatically changes what we already knew from the transcript which is at the president did want to see an investigation into burisma, there hasnt been anything more dramatic than that that i think would really dislodge the polls one way or another, hence that slight atrophy youre seeing. Chris as a political matter, not as a matter of justice, when you see these polls and you dont see this tremendous bipartisan buy in, is it dangerous or risky to go ahead and impeach the president . Kristen potentially. Of course this will go to the senate and it would be very different if we actually wound up with the removal of the president , the ultimate dramatic conclusion. I think the act of impeaching and saying, we put this down in history books, i think there are many voters who say, issues like health care, the economy are top for me. I wish we could get back to the things that matter for me. Chris the conventional wisdom, for whatever its worth, if we assume, first of all, any doubt in your mind the house is going to impeach . I dont see how they could not after everything they put in and after the evidence they put together. Chris denny goldman, he is a pretty good letter, any doubt that if it does go to the senate that they will not vote to remove . Is a double negative. He will be acquitted. Is the way i look at it. And for many of the reasons kristen just outlined which is that there was no movement, no drama that would dislodge republicans. Chris lets take what youve now posited. Impeachment acquittal. What does that leave the president . What does that leave the democrats . I believe that for the president and the republicans this has been just the latest in a long series of loyalty test, things that you have to go are in the party. D trump as a and the results show that he has cemented the party behind him. Even a person like hurd chris a relatively moderate republican from texas who is not running for reelection so he doesnt face that threat speak of the democrats had high hopes of peeling him off, he said its not impeachable and i think the president comes through actually with his base fortified from this. On the other hand i think the democrats come through with their base fortified and i think in that sense, it wasnt that risky for them. I actually never thought impeachment was politically risky for the democrats. It might have some upside and recementing their base and so i think thats where we come out. Chris what about the argument that kristen makes witches, it allows republicans, lets say this all plays out, where in february, hes acquitted, and you wasted our time on this . Charles you can say that but dont forget, theres a lot of democrats who would have faced internal challenges and internal criticies for not going through with it. So i think it kind of cuts both ways and i dont think voters had a whole lot of expectations for legislation in this turn to begin with. Chris we do have that which is important. Charles for the moderate democrats at a significant. Chris we have to take a break, panna. When we come back, joe biden remains a big target as he maintains his lead nationally but what kind of threat does he faced from mayor Pete Buttigieg who is at the top in iowa and close to the top in New Hampshire . Im on both your. miss piggy and of course, moi is on tv. Statler Waldorf nobody cares hahaha dr. Teeth woah woah woah. How are we all on each others tvs . animal me on tv fozzie oh i believe i have the answer. You see. miss piggy the thing on the tv is a portal tv and it lets you video call. all on your tv dr. Teeth ah animal me on tv hahahaha fozzie vo portal. From facebook. Kerrygold has a taste so rich it can take you to irelands lush, green pastures. Where grassfed cows produce rich, creamy milk for a truly delicious taste. Kerrygold. The taste that takes you there. Perience of ever being discriminated against because of the color of my skin i do have the experience of feeling like a stranger in my own country. Chris mayor Pete Buttigieg arguing at this weeks debate that he can identify it with africanamericans because of what hes had to deal with as a man. A comparison senator Kamala Harris said was neither productive nor smart and we are back now with the panel. Lets start with the latest real clear politics average of the race among democrats. Joe biden still has a tenpoint lead nationally but Pete Buttigieg now has a solid lead in iowa and is basically tied with Elizabeth Warren and biden in New Hampshire. Kristen, how serious a contender is Pete Buttigieg when, on the one hand, his strong support in the early states but is continuing almost complete absence of any support from africanamericans who come down the road are an immensely important democratic voting block . Kristen i think youll have to come in first or second in both iowa and New Hampshire in order to gain the type of momentum he would need to build his support with those key pieces of the Democratic Coalition who have not really given him much of a second look at this point, dont really think hes the guy for them. And quite formidable shape in iowa and you have to go back to essentially be early 90s or even 1988, really, if you dont count the 92 campaign, democrats choose whoever wins iowa to be their nominee and have done so for many, many years so iowa is a huge deal. For mayor pete to build that tom because nationally he still not in that top three. Chris i didnt know that stat, that they always pick the iowa winter. I did know that no democrat has ever won back, sometimes theyve lost both and still won, but no democrat has ever won iowa and New Hampshire and then not gone on to win the nomination. So where does that put buttigieg if, obviously all this can change, but if he were to go ahead and win iowa and either finish first or second in New Hampshire. He would be in superstrong shape. Chris even if he goes into South Carolina . Thats where he would hit a wall and whats interesting about that is what the effect on abiding candidacy would be of a buttigieg sweep of iowa and New Hampshire because at the same time, it would be lowering biden and biden would sort of be in the same position i think jeb bush was in and the republicans last time of having to make a last stand in South Carolina. I have a feeling thats a little bit of the candidacy here is that hes the guy who would say, look, joe biden has kind of fallen flat in this thi, experienced, o on and so forth. I can appeal better to africanamerican voters than Pete Buttigieg can. I think theres just an grass next to buttigieg. For whatever reason he doesnt appeal to black voters and thats not only an issue for them in the primary but could be an issue for the party as a whole if you are the standardbearer in the general. Chris then there is joe biden who, in this last debate this week had some more bumps. This maybe has been the bumpy s. I know who i am. Three former chairs of the caucus, a whole range of people people its true. The first. Chris the only woman and then another woman, the second woman, Kamala Harris is right there. Can biden stumble his way all the way to the nomination because that is sort of what hes doing so far, i think, and how seriously do you take late entrance for patrick, the former governor mattress she sits, apparently in a milliondollar ad buy that starts today, former mayor Mike Bloomberg of new york city ends it. Now he hasnt made a former announcement but when youre spending 30 million and saying bloomberg for president s, and sounds like. It jessica for full disclosure, i used to work for doug schon, as far as joe biden, it does look like he can continue to at least quasistumble to the nomination. A lot of that is rooted in this africanamerican report. Were talking about Pete Buttigieg having 0 in South Carolina but there are two other people in the race, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders who have shown their ability to get more than 10 so you can get an argument that warren would be a more palatable candidate to white, College Educated liberals and africanamerican voters. I do think his search is largely overrated. I think something is going on at this moment but we know that polls are just a snapshot in time and hes having like w ago we were all saying she could be the nominee but joe biden continues to hang on their and the debates, his supporters, at least his campaign would she crt which is, you know me and youve known me for decades, you know what i stand for and what im going to be delivering to you. As far as the late entrance, im not sure it makes much of a different and i think patrick is getting in as more of a vp consideration to introduce himself to the National Audience and potentially be considered by biden or warren down the road. Chris i want to bring in been created bloomberg with unlimited amounts of money . Jessica that doesnt mean that money is going to make people like you are support your cause. He will also continue to talk about issues that matter for him like Climate Change and gun violence. Chris ben, how much has, are you enjoying watching the democratic field . Ben i think therell be a wrench thrown into this conversation by whats going to happen with impeachment. If we have a situation where all of the senators in this race have to come back to washington and sit through a trial, a trial in which joe biden is going to be brought in in a number of different ways. We saw just this past week that Lindsey Graham and others on capitol hill are saying that theyre going to try to forget hunter biden. Chris you heard john kennedy say that today. Ben exactly paired that something that will help mayor pete. He gets to be campaigning, still talking to people. I actually think he could ride this momentum further than some of the other folks at this table think. I think he has a lot going for him, especially for people taking heed to what president obama was saying just this past week warning a lot of democrats, lets not get too extreme. Lets not go too far. Lets not go to the revolution, lets try to be more gradual in our approach to understand the country. Chris jessica, you got 30 seconds. Its every political reporters fever dream that we would have a contested convention, multiple ballots like in the 1950s, smokefilled rooms. I know thats not politically correct. Jessica vapedfilled rooms. Chris thats unhealthy what you think . Jessica its still a possibility. You could still see people take the primaries, i think biden will get South Carolina and nevada. I think its viable because of it the rule changes in schedule but i think its a low likelihood. Chris just once in my reporting career, a contested convention. Do it for me. Thank you, panel, see you next sunday. Up next, our power player of the week. The man giving away some of his fortune one tweet at a time. And then a light bulb went off. I had a sewing machine that was still in the box. I pulled up youtube. I kept watching videos over and over, i finally got to the point where i could make a stitch. And thats how knotzland was born. We make handmade bowties out of repurposed fabrics. Because of youtube im an entrepreneur. Its been a crazy journey. Because of youtube im an entrepreneur. Thisdoin more. Bout. With less. Doers need energy. And demand for it is expected to grow. So chevrons finding more homegrown energy, more precisely. 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A wealthy person giving big bucks to charities or foundations but social media has led one man to rethink that process and use twitter to help individual people in need. Here is our power player of the week. I went out on my patio and i said, why dont i give away 10,000 and ill see how it goes . So i pumped out this tweet and the next thing you know it went viral. Chris bill pulte he is talking about the moment last summer that led to what he calls twitter philanthropy. Its using social media for good. Its about time we connect americans. We connect humans from all across the globe to solve each others problems. Chris heres how it works great he gives away money. Well be giving away 10,000. Chris to people he reads about. Or who tweet him asking for help. I appreciate it. That money is going to good use. I cant believe it. Im so thankful. Ive given over 300,000, i gave away a tesla. Just to build awareness forgiving. When we give, we received. Chris he also mobilizes his twitter followers, who he calls teammates, to make their own donations. Im only one person but if i can inspire tens of thousands or millions of americans, thats when it becomes really interesting. Chris he made headlines when he tweeted he would give a veteran 30,000 if President Trump retweeted him. The president did and he gave of such a new car. His following exploded. His focus is on people who have immediate needs or are facing a crisis. Im so thankful. Keep spreading joy, keep spreading love, keep doing what youre doing. A 106yearold is about to get evicted, we need to come up with 600, 700. A cancer patient, terminate the bill. These are the kind of transformative things. Could be a 500 7,000 paid you can change peoples lives. Chris he helped a veteran get new teeth. He encouraged donations for a homeless vets. I want to thank you. People get 5, 10, 20. Chris and he pushed for a drug company to lower the cost of a lifesaving treatment for a baby. You have given us an opportunity to give our baby a life. I think you save the babys life. So does the mom. Thats of the internet should be used for. Chris his teammates keep an eye out for fraud. I probably have been scammed but i save 10 of the people were trying to get at me or scams to help 90 of people ill take those odds all day long. Chris he is the grandson of the billionaire who followed poultry homes, but the younger made his own fortune. He made it clear, youre going to have to make it on your own. I was sweeping out basements. He wanted us to have to work hard for what we had. The one he had 30,000 teammates when he started and now has close to 2 million and they recently built their own crowdfunding web site. Out the beauty of the movement of twitter philanthropy is i dont know where this thing is going to go. You just changed my life. When i wake up every day and it changes and it gets bigger, its viral. Chris pulte says hes helped raise money so for some families can buy thanksgiving turkeys but hes considering a 100,000 giveaway for christmas. Thats it for today. Have a great week and a happy thanksgiving and we will see you next Fox News Sunday 0 ofrjts a search underway for a campus shooter. Governor gavin newsom issuing an executive order to help victims recover. How the order could speed up the rebuilding process. Process. Ahead of the thanksgiving holiday, we are live at sfo with what you need to know if youre catching a flight. Mornings on two. Good morning, welcome to mornings on two on this sunday november 24th. Good morning, happy weekend weather. Im frank mal coat. Lets widen the gap here and find rosemary ri and talk about the chilly weather we have upon us. Another cool one. Today very similar to yesterday. A