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Policy, saudi arabia, china and the United States. Also his new book is called the quantum spy. He does have a vision for where he wants to take saudi arabia, and many aspects of that vision i think people in the west would find attractive. The problem is that getting across this transition period is going to require a kind of authoritarian power thats going to be very uncomfortable for us. Rose macri a rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin tonight with the president of argentina, mauricio macri. He visited new york yesterday in honor of the five argentinian tourist who is died in the terrorist attack that took place in lower manhattan. I spoke to him today about the american society, we talked about argentina, their relationship with the United States and challenges facing the region. We begin by taking note of the recent attack. I wanted to be, if i was planning to come when that tragedy happened, i was willing more to be present here because we have to show one single attitude and one strong message against terrorism. They want us to panic. They want us to freeze at home, to stop our lives, and we have to show them that we are developing the world. We know there are many things to be solved, still there is too much poverty around and we need to Work Together to solve all these type of problems but the way is through peace. The way is working together. Terrorism proposes there is no future there. So i came and i thanked every new yorker that had expressed his pane because, at the end, five families were destroyed, 15 kids were left without fathers, and these type of things have to be stopped as soon as possible. Rose its been1 l two years sense you have been in office. Youve had recent success since the election. Give me a sense of what you wand to do and been able to do. Since we met last, there was a doubt inside argentina and around the folder if it was real, this will for change in the argentinean community. I feel that the level of moderation of the community, the level of understanding of the real problems that create living so many years in a populist regime had been understood. So what happened in this Midterm Election expresses with real clarity that we are ready, we are ready to assume the effort that argentina needs, to reassume the importance of the culture of work, you know, and to have a society in which those ones that are engaged in the community that fulfill the law are going to be the winners. And not anymore a profession of cheaters like it happened for more than half a century in argentina. So what they had expressed was even though it had been hard, because as i was telling a group of businessmen at breakfast, populism is like going to a party where you get as much alcohol as you can and its a lot of fun, but the next morning your head explodes. Thats populism. When its finished, leaves a society bankrupt, without net worth, without infrastructure, and you have to start nearly from the beginning. But the citizens are ready, and they had assumed that we need to all put our best efforts, and starting from some elemental thing, basic thing that is paying the utility tariffs. They were giving the utilities for free so we are going to blackouts and infrastructure. Rose by risking nationaln bankruptcy they were willing to give things away to the people or more than that . Was it cultural or deeper . First, let me tell you that thanks to god many have come today with me in new york. We are all working together in this era. So that eliminates my critics laughter rose its a question i asked you before. But you know, you will find, if you analyze argentine history because the phenomenon is quite unique, that there were different parent and we are expressing what the last parent wanted to do and his illness did not give him time enough to take ahead. So i think we are all understanding we need to be part of the world. Isolationism only leads to poverty. We need to be part of the solutiono the global problems, not to add more problems. Inside argentina, we need to work to be reliable, predictable, to have rule of law and that will allow Sustainable Development driven by investments, private investments, no . So we are working on that. In the past well, they go back and forward many times during the cycles but now i think they will have the chance to restart the party with this clear and different idea that is shared by 90 of the world. Rose so youre creating new parties and reforming old parties . No, they have to reform their party. laughter i have a lot of work to keep the coalition working. Thats working out. I dont want to take extra jobs. laughter i leave that job for the governor and many other members of the congress of the party. Rose you travel with all parties we have such a success in this Midterm Election, we dont have the majority of either of the two chambers, so we need to continue to have new laws to tackle fiscal deficit and inflation and those are the two things to stabilize averagetynan economy. Rose will is add to Economic Reforms as well as changing institutions in argentina . Absolutely. I had called to achieve basic consensus. In buenos aires, we had a meeting together with all the governors. When i call them, i call key leaders of the society, members of the justice, unions, governors, congress, business communities, and i told everybody, this is the moment, its now or never. We have to achieve gradual use of fiscal deficit, we have to arrive rose a gradual reducing . Yes, 1 per year. Rose right. And we have to achieve a single digit inflation for 2019, and we have to be all committed. Fortunately, everyone is agreeing and understands thats the only way. We have to improve the justice system, more independent. We have to be all committed to repeal corruption in argentina forever. We have technology, we can digitize all the paper stuff in the governments. We have to have open governments, Public Access to information and were in that process and everybody is working and doing their homework. Rose where is the resistance coming from . Well, still a group of citizens tried to convince the rest of argentina to go back to the last 12 years, but today they express a minority that say 20 , 25 of argentina, but and i expect that every moment that we keep showing results will convince more and more argentines to be part of this new political stage. Rose what road do you want role do you want argentina to play in the region in Foreign Policy and in the world . First we have to show that we can get rid of populism, as we are doing it. I think thats a lot for the world that is going into populism in many places. laughter second, i think that we have to be more dynamic and join the Pacific Alliance as possible. Higher protection is disaster, poverty in both countries. Now i think we are both convinced that we need to open our economies in an intelligent way, because you can go from one side to the other, the pendulum is always dangerous, but we are working hard to find an agreement, the First Agreement with the european union, with japan and Pacific Alliance. So i am very optimistic about the process that has gone through the neighbors or partners, so i think good moments are coming for the region. Rose do you have targets for reducing protectionism . Yes, yes, inside we had to deal with that together because we are part of the same block. But we are working to reduce terrorists, and i think i will start in this specific agreements, no, with european union, and its also a great opportunity because after brexit, we need more relations and wage in the commerce. So i think this exchange will be in both benefit. Rose when you look at political direction, latin america, you have trouble in Venezuela Venezuela started being a preoccupation, now its a pain for all of us. I started talking about venezuela when i was mayor of the city, and they will say chavez is a democracy, it is not a democracy. Now things have gotten worse and worse. Im really scared about whats going on there because we dont see which is the way out. The people are leaving, i think thats part of the plan, to push away the leaders that are still there trying to recover democracy. We have to keep working together to find a way to reestablish democracy in venezuela, that really affects the region but especially colombia, ecuador, brazil are really affected. Rose how do you see the emerging, even in todays New York Times xi jinping talks about seeing china along with the United States as the two great powers in the world. How do you see xi jinping consolidating power in the 19th congress in beijing and the role its going to play in the world . How does argentina respond . Because china is an important trading partner of yours. China has been very aggressive in the region. They have invested in finance in the previous government. That was unique. Lending money to that government required great courage. Rose meaning they didnt expect to get paid back . That is what is going to happen in venezuela. They did the same thing in venezuela and i dont know if they are going to get the payback of 50 billion. And i feel its a great opportunity for our region, for argentina. I think we combined well our capabilities. There are great buildings of infrastructure. Argta needs to build huge argentina needs big infrastructure. Rose how does that work with china . With the previous government, they sign very important, direct contracts. Now they are participating in the process. I talked with president xi. I said we believe that the best way to increase cooperation is that you should come and take part in the future tenders thatz will clarify prices and relations and they are taking part and they have been very successful. We have just finished renewable tender, three renewable tenders. The last one will receive 11 billion of offers, twothirds solar energy, onethird wind energy, and mainly our chinese contractors who won participated in the last one. So they have very good technology. Rose are they employing Chinese Workers or argentine workers . No, argentine workers. They accept to come and work and teach our people. We intend to create jobs. My main commitment for my citizens is to reduce poverty and create jobs for argentineans. Rose when you talked to me previously and everything you have said, your primary responsibility is to decrease poverty. Absolutely. Rose how are you doing on that front . There is some progress. We went from 33 to 28 in the last two semesters. But its a long way to go, no . Its just the beginning. We also need to improve the quality of the public education. Were in a deep battle with the unions. Its difficult to understand, but they dont accept the deval wages of the teachers the devaluation of the teachers and students. We say you need to know the mistakes youre making to correct them. If you dont have good information, its impossible to improve the system. The citizens agree so we are going to do it even though the union will be trying to stop us. And in the other sense, we are trying to get rid of stupid and useless regulations that have discouraged investment many years to encourage private investments because thats the way to create jobs, and the growth of argentina we are having today is really directed and driven ribiinvestments, not by consuming, and thats healthy growth. And let me tell you that we have achieved after more than 100 years to reduce expenses, reduce the fiscal deficit, reduce inflation, reduce taxes and growth is going on for the first time in more than 100 years and that is going to occur again next year. That shows why argentina is in the right momentum. Rose whation the relationship with whats the relationship with the United Administration . Very good. Rose what are the challenges to it, what do you hope to accomplish . Trying to increase commerce is the first challenge. So far we didnt do much progress but we are working. We are working. Secretary rose is in charge and trying to help. We are starting to export lemons. We need to solve the beef problem, the biodiesel problem and many other things, but there is a very good attitude from the government authorities to have a deep around more actual relation between the countries. So we are working very well and we are working also very well in something thats as important as the commerce, thats defeating drug trafficking. Rose yes. For us, thats another priority and weve done a lot of work. For the first time in many, many years, weve worked together and are very happen put in that because fighting against truck trafficking is related with terrorism, theyre all part of the organized crime, so we have to Work Together in that. Its been very important, we established relations with the u. S. Government in that sense. Rose latin america often felt like americas attention was in europe or asia . Asia. Do you believe that . Well, obviously the future of the world is related with what relanes we will achieve between the states, china and europe, no . We are all waiting and watching what is going on. Rose my question is what is your message to President Trump to say to him america has a vital interest in argentina . In the past, being far from the center is a problem. Now is like a good thing. Rose what does that mean . What we feel is when you go to energy supply, especially renewables, when you go to food security, when you look for young, talented people, its very difficult to find a better region than south america. So i think this is our moment, and i think that should not be very intelligent if the United States has been the first partner of south americas from so many years, leave that place to china or japan or to any other region. No, this is the moment in which you have to be present and be there and invest to develop the region and really establish the whole continent is stable and a good place to live. Rose whats the most important question investors in argentina looking at the history before you were there and looking at what hope they may have because youre there, whats the most important question they want answered in order to commit their own all these reforms are going to last. Rose exactly. And how do you answer that . I answer that saying that, this time, i am the president because the citizens were looking for a change. Not because i convinced them of the change. I feel they have understood. They have learned about our mistakes. They have learned being potentially a very rich country is not enough. You have to develop those resources. And for developing those resources, you have to have rule of law, you have to have clear rules. You have to try stop the cheating and corruption. Rose protection. Protection. That comes thanks to the new generation, they cant even think of not being part of the world because they are all on the internet through the whole day, so they live in the world. Rose they live in the global world. They live in the global world. Thats a fact, no . So what i feel is that im representing what they wan and i think that everybody is understanding that. Thats why the leaders oftz opposition are coming here to new york in this trip with me or rose are you saying to them i should ask them but are you saying to them lets try something different, give this a chance . Absolutely. Rose perhaps we can Work Together and we are working together. In the past, the history was the one that won the election never called the others. The day after we won the election, we call all of them and say lets sit down and im finding this basic consensus. Rose did you do that because you knew the other way would fail, that unless you took it in a new direction you would end up i feel that we have to answer that question i cant answer it by myself. It could last two years more maybe six but not forever. Everybody be sure that this is forever, they have to be present and they have to accept what we are doing. Unfortunately, we need them because we dont have the majority of the congress. South the only way. And the good news is that its working very well. Rose whats happened in the case of Albert Nisman . We dont know. We need to know what happened. Thats part of clarifying our future. Rose you need to know who did it. Yes. Rose are you confident you can find that . We are working. We are working to have all the resources they need to go ahead with the invitation. We need the truth in every sense in argentina. I promised my people to tell always the truth. I live my whole life saying the truth. There are more advantages you have when you tell the truth. Its quite what happens here. I always admire from the americans white is white, black is black. speaking Foreign Language that doesnt work. I dont like that even if you have more fun in italy than here. We need to create future and jobs for many people so we need to clarify things. Rose thank you for being here. A pleasure to have you and to see you again and i know this audience is interested to know where youre taking your country. Well, the thank you. applause rose David Ignatius is here. He is a columnist for the washington post, covered National Security and the middle east for almost three decades and the best selling author of ten espionage thrillers, the latest the quantum spy, set in a race between the United States and china to build the world first quantal commuter. Well talk about that later but also saudi arabia, the middle east, President Trumps trip to china and the rest of asia. Im pleased to have David Ignatius back at this table, welcome. Thank you, charlie. Rose saudi arabia first. Just explain to us whats going on and what are the risks for mbs. Crowmohammad bin salman al s, strong, set his course on modernization first. He wants to change the kingdom, allow women to drive, to attend Public Events with men. He has a vision of privatizing big saudi businesses like saudi ramco. Saudi arabia needs to become a modern country. At the same time pb m. B. S. Wants to consolidate power in his own hands so he can force change and combat iran. He regards iran as a threat to saudi arabia and the region. So you have an attractive side, the push for modernization and change, drive against corruption which is the reason for the arrests publicly announced on saturday the good side. The bad side is saudi arabia is becoming a place of oneman rule. Its becoming if hes not careful more autocratic and controlling and more like a police state. The problem is once you start a process like this you push harder and harder. You arrest dozens of people and what do you do to their Power Centers . All the people behind them . You have to control even tighter, turn the screws even more. Rose what are the people he is overthrowing going to do . We dont know yet. Rose your point is its not just them. There is a whole army of people that supported them. A prime example, one of the people he arrested is head of Saudi National guard, the former kings son. The National Guard in saudi arabia has traditionally been the center of tribal power. Anabdullah when crowned prince maintained the National Guard as alternative to the army how he reached out to traditional Power Centers in the kingdom. When you pull his son, who do you put in his place . How do you make sure that that institution stays loyal to you, mohammad bin salman, the crown prince . There is no good answer. Same with the Security Service. There is an internal Security Service and foreign Security Service. Whos going to control those services . Will the professionals feel comfortable in the new environment . We dont know. The m. B. S. Needs to be careful as he tries to establish greater control he doesnt create new problems. Rose where is the crown prince he overthrew in all of this because hes under house arrest . The former prince has essentially disappeared, was replaced suddenly last summer by m. B. S. Rose first move. First move in the consolidation, the power play. He wanted to be sure he would be able to succeed his father, king isman who is 81. He has a violation where he wants to take saudi arabia. People in the west would find it attractive. Getting across the transition period is going to require a kind of authoritarian power thats going to be very uncomfortable for us. Rose absolute power corrupts absolutely. Saudi arabia is not easy to governorren. Earlier rulers found tribal stive was too difficult so they balanced. One cost was the saudi religious establishment was empowered in ways weve seen around the middle east, the negative consequence. M. B. S. Wants to break it. Does he have the power to control, curtail religious establishment . We dont know. Rose there was a balance between the royal family and the religious the balance between the house of saud and the religious leadership is the foundation of modern scrape, the two pillars on which the country rested. M. B. S. Is trying to create a different power, a unitary executive, one sense very modern. I think his model is xi jinping in china. Xi jinping tried to make the party more efficient and enhance his personal rule. Thats what m. B. S. Is trying to do with an anticrushen drive, he doesnt have the party to purify that. The only thing is the royal familiar will you. Rose where is the Trump Administration on this . I think one explanation for why m. B. S. Moved so decisively is the Trump Administration, the president , Jared Kushner Senior Advisor are all in with vaibz saudi arabia and m. B. S. I think mime pompeo unlike john en who was close to baniaf, pompeo is strongly behind m. B. S. And thats been a factor. We dont know whether the u. S. Gave a formal green light but the fact Jared Kushner was inside saudi arabia only a few days before the events happened makes you think that at a minimum m. B. S. Felt he had strong support from the administration and could go forward with what he wanted to do. Rose some will suggest that the idea of this began because of all the obvious things you have been talking about, the desire to modernize reform, the desire to eliminate competition, the desire to make sure you became the king and all kinds of things but this was not this got some momentum after President Trump came to riyadh in may. So trumps visit to riyadh is first foreign trip i think is the cornerstone of trumps middle east policy. Trump made a bond with mohammad bin salman and father and made saudi arabia the centerpiece of what he is trying to do, the broad effort to restrain iranian power. He signed on to their agenda and vice versa. This is a close relationship. It was born before the inauguration and the meetings Jared Kushner had with saudi officials. I think a lot of this was prediscussed. But thats why this young man 32 years old i think feels involved to take these radical actions. Rose people know him think what of him . So ive met him several times. What i make of him, i think he is brash, bold, the kind of personality that takes the air out of a room. He commands peoples attention. He has a tend i is to be impulsive, to start th hes not sure how to finish. Best example is the war in yemen. He went to war in yemen soon after his father became king and the yemen war, whatever you want to say about iranian involvement and supporting the houthis in yemen, hasnt gone well for saudi arabia. The last weekend the saudis were saying it was an act of war by iran shooting a missile toward riyadh. Whether this is the worked of iran or not, having people shooting missiles at your capital is not a good situation. Thats a situation where m. B. S. Boldly moved out believing many his ability to transform the situation and saudi arabias power and so far that confidence has not been born out by events. Rose do you think the people of saudi arabia want reform . Im struck by the hunger of younger saudis for a different kind of world. Rose they see what the rest of the world is like . They just look at their phones. Theyre in the same connected world you and i are. They look at the phones, see what the world is, feel connected with each other in a new way and i think they do want a new world. I think they look at the royal family, 10,000 princes supping at the public trough, makes them angry. In that sense, m. B. S. Understand younger saudis want different kingdom. Hes counting on them to break the power of the traditional royal family consensus nu the president is in asia meeting with xi jinping. Clear signs xi jinping will have huge pageantry. President is looking forward to this. Wants to talk to x xi jinping, Vladimir Putin about getting on board against north korea, trade. Will he be successful . I think the atmosphere will be of a successful trip. Xi jinping wants this to be maralago two. I thin they want photographs of smiling leaders, maybe of the leaders grandchildren, this idea of the United States and china shaking hands, establishing a partnership for future stability in asia and the world. I think thats what the chinese want and also what trump wants. Rose but i was interested in today, i think may have been the New York Times or your paper, the idea xi jinping is talking about china and the the United States, he wants to join the United States in ruling the world. I think china coz see a g world. Rose because it rejected that in the past. It has rose saying we have to focus on other things. The chinese, the Traditional Program that western analysts use to describe the chinese approach was hide and bide, meaning tonight show your power too openly. Bide your time till youre stronger. I think the chinese look at their own country as much as they look at the United States in kind of retreat from its role in Global Leadership and says the time has come. You know, if you looked at the details of what xi announced at the Party Congress last month, he was announcing chinas arrival as a dominant global force and laid out an agenda not simply through the end of his tenure in 2020whatever it is but through 2050, halfway through the century, he laid out a series of very clear benchmarks for chinaa and chinese power. Technology is an example. The cheese are talking about dominating a. I. , quantum computing. Every ajor technology the chinese want to be number one. Rose committed to building great universities, leading the way in sense, finding the most efficient ways to create alternative fuels whether wind, solar he talks about the china dream. The china dream means establishing this global mastery of the instruments of power. Dont nine to say this is necessarily threatening but the chinese see theyre building a great civilization, economy and want to be recognized as that and i think trumps deal is help us on our problems, north korea, trade, other issues, and we want to help you be the great nation you want to be. Good idea . Well see, if p the chinese push at all the seams, people look back and say it was a mistake to cede to easily to chinese power. Rose is the relationship worse with donald trump than barack obama . No, i think its better. I think the chinese have seen trump as someone whos prepared to be a disruptor. Eng they remember initially shocked to suggest he might have more direct dealings with taiwan rose china was one of the principal villains of his campaign mples yes, talked about china raping the american economy. Rose taking our jobs. I think the chinese were worried. Thats what trump wanted. The chinese were destabilized, what trump wanted. Y vn meanwhile Jared Kushner was setting the table for the personal meeting rose do people you talk to worry xi jinping is more skilled and talented and experienced than donald trump and make take the measure of him . To me xi is the most effective and decisive leader in the world today period. I think you look at what xi has done in the last five years, i dont see a move to consolidate power, decisive use of the leavers of power thats remotely like what she has done. Donald trump sex personsed, new to the job, has no political background. Rose so therefore. You rook at theu look at the two, xi is more experience. Rose Rex Tillerson has dealt with people at the highest levels of leadership. My worry is a point where trump is kissni mantelling the traditional structures or at least the kind of surrounding scaffolding of American Power questioning our alliances, focusing on America First as he so often says that hes creating something of a vacuum and into that come the chinese who are ready to take a greater role in globalzv leadership. Rose the beginning of january there was xi jinping making the speech americans traditionally would like about Global Leadership. Rose and markets. And project themselves as the protector of that wor and those values. I think thats the danger for the u. S. Longterm if we cede to china we will be on our wack foot for a long time. Rose there are things we can do, better relationship with india, japan and vietnam and some of the other Asian Countries who fear the rising power of china. Yes, i would credit trump for putting a lot of stressss on the u. S. Japan relationship. I think thats very sensible. Japan is a key power in the nation. We often forget how important japan is. Trump and abe have hut it off. Thats important in a balance to china. Rose bob mueller, we saw indictments last of manafort and his aide. More interesting, the plea agreement with george papadopolous, someone whos of us never heard of. Rose the big question as to whether Michael Flynn might come been the purview we never want to prejudge the decisions about whether somebody is going to get indicted or not. Rose it is the question . It is the question. Theres a lot of issues that mueller has to work with. Its clear from some of the3ei recent leaks miewcial will try to squeeze flynn into making a plea agreement so he doesnt have to indict him and gets the cooperation hes had from papadopoulos. There was speculation therein was cooperating. Thats less likely to me now. Rose what does putin want . I always said he wants to walk back to a global acceptance. Russia was isolated, sanctioned after it invaded ukraine and i think putin wanted to be taken back into the family snowof influential. Theyre puffed up, wearing a better suit, the family of influential, g8, the club of cleerdz who matter. Rose he went to syria. He went to syria, exercised power aggressively, did all those things. You think he wand a road back. I thinnrfrom their perspective e you would have to say this is an effort to manipulate, to shape american politics that backfired. Russia now has more enemies. Every member of congress lines up to say negative things about russia. Rose and everyone is worrying about whether they might be under the same kind of viewed scriewt any, hacking, cyberinvasion. He has created the antibodies to russian power and manipulation that are now make europe and europes reaction to russia different for decades. Rose do you think america is abandoning its leadership in the world . I worry were retreating. Charlie, you know as well as anybody, American Power is so diffuse. It seeps into every crevice in the world, our companies, banks, technology, leadership, way of doing things, the ear that you breathe if youre in the global economy. In that se, American Power is persistent, resilient, its bigger and stronger than any individual president. Barack obama didnt really weaken it. Donald trump may be weakening it some. But i think theres durability. Over time, you know, if the United States is in disagreement with key allies, withdrawing from Key International agreements like the one on climate change, the world will begin to look different but there take a long time. Our engine is running so fast it will take a long time for it to run down. Rose is there a growing sense this white house is not fit to run the presidency . I think theres a worry, as ive written, this is a hollowedout administration, that in terms of the process of making National Security policy, there are too many unfilled positions. Some of the people in key positions arent strong enough. We have in general mattis an outstanding formerleader, former yrl who is a strong secretary of defense. Rex tillerson is an experienced person that knows the world but he is undercut by the president and doesnt seem to care about being secretary of state and running the bureaucracy, so i think this is a worry about the sructure, the process and that the president is erratic and impulsive. When anything seems to be criticism he lashes out. There are times when you wasnt a leader to be calm and kind of settle down. Rose people suggest he member unstable, you think thats going too far. Its not a word i would feel comfortable using. I think you look at the tweeting style, the tweet storms and you see that he does react very impulsively when hes criticized. Somebody says even the relatively modest criticism and he so whats that all about . Is there somebody who will say mr. President , you know, i wouldnt send that tweet, circumstances i really think there is a time to be calm and quiet. I dont know if that person exists or if the president would listen. Rose quantum spy, thriller by David Ignatius. David ignatius writes big deal spy novels that big del people in hollywood make movies out of them. When i talk to my Silicon Valley friends and say tell us about the future, they say you know about artificial intelligence, augmented reality and virtual reality, they say do you know about quantum computing . I say no. They say its ten times more powerful than computing. What is quantum computing . Quantal computer unlike any traditional computer in which the logic bits are either zero or one, the quantum computer are made up of cube its that are simultaneously zero and one and multiplies vastly think about it all the connections the power of this machine to solve problems. Its said a quantum computer can explore every possible solution to a problem simultaneous will you and alive at the answer in a flash. The example thats used that is the reason that our National Security agencies are so interested in this technology is the ability to crack encryption, to factor enormous numbers created by multiplying prime numbers together and to factor them, there is a, you know, dissolve the encryption scheme, quantum computer could solve a problem thatnr would take an ary of existing computers thousands of years to solve, it can do it in minutes or second, thats how fast it is. Its a fast order of magnitude. Different. Whoever gets this quantum computer first is going to have National Security. There are a lot of people who saist theory ten years ago, now coming at us. In my novel i describe a quantumlike computer that already exists. Ive seen it work. Ive seen it solve problems, i have been to all these places as i do when im researching the the books. Rose a quantum computer could be essential to cyber security, digital war fair, all the things that will determine who controls the world, fair enough . The first person to get a quantum computer will have a mast riof Digital Space for the time its possessed awe roan will be unmatched. I liken this race between chain and the United States to the manhattan project. Rose the United States and germany. To build the First Nuclear weapon. This is not a weapon that will destroy the world but will allow whoever hast to control the world. Rose who is hair res chang. The hero of my book. Crail officer, served in iraq. He is as his name clearly implies an american chinese dissent assigned by the agency to recruit agents within chinas intelligence service. Rose a race between china and the United States . Book has two basic themes, one is we talked ant quantum commuting and technology. The other is the battle going on between our intelligence service, c. I. A. And the Chinese Intelligence Service the ministry of state security which is just a bitter bitter fight. We all flow about the k. G. B. And successor. The chinese are just as interesting. Rose does he have qualms. Hair res qualms doesnt begin with moral qualms but as he gets deeper into the story an most spy sores we go through a kind of maze of different movements by the characters. Hair res chang increasingly wore res hes being manipulated by his side and the chinese side but hes in the middle. Rose the haul of mer roars. The quantum ae is the person who is once the zero and one and thats our hero. Rose the quantum spy by David Ignatius. 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