Transcripts For KQEH Charlie Rose 20171004

Where did he set up cameras. I dont know. For what purpose . Someone to take him into custody. He was at the hotel for the direct line of sight to the Music Festival 400 yards away. 10 30, police realized he was inside the Mandalay Bay Hotel and casino. A floor by floor search ended 10 34 on the 32nd floor outside room 135. The spacious vista suite paddock shot into the hallway through a closed door wounding a Hotel Security guard. During the next hour the floor was secured and s. W. A. T. Officers arrived. At 11 20 police broke down the door. One suspect down. Rose inside paddocks suite they found 23 guns and rifles including this one, in all the rapid fire shooting lasted nine minutes. I realize that he was i seriously thought he was next door. Chris was staying two doors down and could hear what had been going on. The walls and windows were vibrating. You could feel the compression, the sound. When the shooting finally stopped, those who came for a night of fun were left clinging to each other and to life. I havent had any sleep. I close my eyes, i relive the moment. Rose we continue with jon sopel of the bbc and paul viollis, Law Enforcement analyst for cbs news. You kind of go down with a sense of dread in your soul about your seeing the worst of humanity and for the reasons that weve just been hearing about what could lead someone to do something. Amoral is the word. Its not just immoral. There is no sense that there is any right or wrong in the person. Yet you also come across the very best of humanity and the extraordinary stories of people thinking quickly, putting themselves in harms way, doing their very best to help their fellow americans and their fellow music lovers, whatever it happens to be, they are just human beings who need to be protected and i think that that is kind of one of the uplifting things that always comes out of these most go desk events that you grotesque events that you see in this beating heart of so Many Americans there is a deep vein of goodness there. Rose also a performance and conversation with ed sheeran, his new album is called divide. I there ever thought i would play stadiums, but i thought i would make a living doing music even if its playing a pub show. I knew that was possible, so i never had any other plan. Rose you had no plan b. No. Rose we conclude with an appreciation of rock icon tom petty. Rock and roll. Rock and roll, we tend to think of it more as a specific thing, like played with guitar. Theres going to be a certain amount of attitude to it. Theres going to be an honesty to it. Whereas rock, i think theyve lumped in so many things under that banner that now its not quite as pure. Rose an update on the tragedy in las vegas, a conversation with ed sheeran, and remembering tom petty, when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose the tragic shooting sunday night in las vegas at a country Music Festival claimed 59 lives, it has left more than 500 people injured. It is the deadliest mass shooting in modern u. S. History. Stephen paddock has been identified as the shooter. He fired into a crowd of thousands from his hotel suite on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay resort and casino. S. W. A. T. Officers searching for the shooter found paddock dead in his hotel room from an apparently selfinflicted gunshot wound. Officers discovered arsenal of 25 guns in his suite and 1 in his home. Investigators are searching for positive motives. Joining me is jon sopel of the bbc and paul viollis, Law Enforcement analyst for cbs news. Pleased to have both of them. Jon, what is the latest in terms of the investigation and the ongoing uncovering more information about the shooter . Well, charlie, when im probably like you, you probably wanted the answers to the questions who, what, where, when and why. We know who did it, we know how it unfolded and certain of the details, but why this shooting took place is still a mysterious as ever, what his motivations were. And i think that is something that the police and the f. B. I. Are still working their way through. The sheriff gave a News Conference a short time ago and updated people. It seemed he had also i mean, what was clear is just how premeditated this was. There were cameras in the Hotel Corridor that would alert paddock if the security people were moving closer to him. He had cameras in the room as well, and im sure the f. B. I. Will be looking to investigate those as well. And of course youve still got the human tragedy, the astonishing statistic of 59 dead and over 500 injured and every one of them telling their harrowing stories of survival in the midst of the most appalling situation. Rose paul, what do we know about him and what does it say . Well, what we know about him is hes a well thought out calculating individual. Whats coming out today through interviews with family, and well hear more as the days and weeks go on, hes described as unstable by his family. People said they were uncomfortable around him. We already know that he was a loner. These behavioral characteristics will start to fit nicely into a profile over the days to come. We know that he chose this for a reason. We know when he checked in, charlie, he chose and selected that particular room, those rooms so that he would overlook that site. We know he meticulously selected highpowered rifles he could transport incrementally to his room. Scopes, tripods and also, you know, certain types of modifications on weapons that would enable them to rapid fire. So wellplanned, well thought out and that particular event was for a reason, no question. Rose and he meets the profile of others who have done this in what way . Thus far. When you start looking at people who are active shooters, theres a lot we dont know, but we already know he was described as a loner. Rose right. We already know he was described as a poor communicator, now today unstable, makes people uncomfortable around him. As these things build, well see more and more not just the characteristics but really the violence continuum or signs he displayed, things he said that were alarming. Rose whats interesting to me is, first, its horrific nature but hes kill people he doesnt know, not people he has a grievance against. Trying to discern what is the political motivation or the broader rationale behind what he is doing, these are entirely anonymous people who have gone to count Music Festival. One of the things weve apparently learned is he likes country music, so these are people who are Kindred Spirits in their taste. We have been hearing paul, what youve got there is someone whos premeditated and determined to inflict the maximum casualty numbers in the minimum amount of time and if you have a whole group of 20,000 people huddled together at an openair concert, you can achieve your goals fairly easily when you have got those highpowered weapons, youve got a position on the 32nd floor, and its going to take a while for the forces of law and order to close you down. Rose give me possible scenarios as to why someone would do this. Broad stroke, charlie. He wanted to make a statement, he wanted to be heard. I would venture to say, having done this a long time, he wanted people to listen to him. Make he thought people werent listening and he wanted people to stand up and take notice. It was a broad stroke. He was looking for Media Attention and body count. The interesting thing as jon said, wear are know and you said this, he wasnt focusing on a particular individual. This wasnt a workplace violent shooting. He was going after an entire group. He selected that particular venue, that music concert, but on the last day, he picked it when the head liner was there, the most people would be there, as jon said maximum impact. His motivation, clearly well know more granularly, but his motivation was to send a macro message. Rose has there been any message that might have set him off . That will come forensically by interviewing neighbors and family members. Law enforcement hasnt really spoken about going to florida where hes from and interviewing coworkers and neighbors there. Hes just recently moved to nevada over the last year or two, i believe. So, you know, we really forensically need to peel this onion back and see what it looks like and we havent done it yet. That information will come from those interviews. Rose a remarkable thing, too, are the incredible stories of brave rithat are coming and continue to come of people literally sacrificing their life to save someone. Youre hearing that even today, i assume. One of the things that has struck me is covering a number of these mass shooting incidences that you kind of go down with a sense of dread in your soul about your seeing the worst of humanity and for the reasons that weve just been hearing about what could lead someone to do something, i dont know, amoral is the word, not just immoral. There is no sense that there is any right or wrong in the person. Yet you also come across the very best of humanity and the extraordinary stories of people thinking quickly, putting themselves in harms way and doing their very best to help their fellow americans and fellow music lovers, whatever it happens to be, they are just human beings who need to be protected and i think that is one of the uplifting things that always comes out of these most grotesque events that you do see, that in this beating heart of so Many Americans, there is a deep vein of goodness there. Rose more than 520 people have been injured. How seriously are most of these people injured . Are they minor wounds or are some of them bordering on being critically impaired . I think they go across the whole gamut. The people who climbed a fence and sprained and ankle right through people who have gunshot wounds which are lifethreatening. If wear are to take any solace in anything out of such an awful situation, it is that the death toll doesnt seem to have risen today to far, and maybe that means that the people who are in the hospital now have been stabilized in intensive care, yes, but that they have stabilized their conditions. But for a lot of these people, its going to be a very, very long process of rehabilitation, of building lives again because what started off as an evening at kind of a music concert has turned into something very different, and hundreds of people, thousands of families will have had their lives changed in the ten minutes of that shooting spree. Rose any evidence of mental issues that may have come forward or may be hinted at . The interesting part here and im sure jon has been covering this as he sees this as well, the interesting part here is the connection with the father and the Mental Illness that the father had and the criminal history of the father, and i think, as that pans out a little bit more, thats going to speak more to the genetic side of the investigation, the forensic side of the investigation looking into the particular shooter, in concert with the fact that when they spell out his computer and phone, they see whos calling and web sites he was visiting, that will speak to the questions now with respect to motivation and what inspired him. The thing i wanted to add was, on one level, how can you say that, you know, of course hes abnormal, of course hes mentally disturbed, hes done Something Like this. Yet, at the same time, youve got to see that alongside the fact that this was someone who made calm, rationale, premedicated calculations about how this particular scenario was going to unfold and put in all the pieces that would be necessary to achieve his warped objectives. So you have got mental instability that makes someone want to do that, yes, but youve also got someone who is functioning at the same time. Hence the sociopathic personality. Absolutely, jon. Rose jon, thanks for joining us from las vegas. Thanks, paul. Entirely my pleasure, thank you. Rose well be right back, stay with us. Rose ed sheeran is here. Three years ago, the New York Times called him an unlikely pop star phenomenon. Now two grammys and 26 million albums later he not only established himself as one of the biggest pop stars in the world but changed the sound of pop music altogether. Taylor swift says whether by choice or unconscious evolution, when he decided on musical ambitions, ed became less of a boy and more of a tank. His new album is called divide. The shape of you spotfied the most extreme song of all time and viewed on youtube nearly 2. 5 billion times. Ed sheeran performing shape shape here in our studio. The club isnt the best place to find a lover so the bar is where i go me and my friends sat at the table doing shots drinking fast and then we talk slow and you come over and start up a conversation with just me and trust me ill give it a chance now take my hand, stop put van the man on the jukebox and then we start to dance and now im singing like girl, you know i want your love your love was handmade for somebody like me come on now, follow my lead i may be crazy, dont mind me say, boy lets not talk too much grab on my waist and put that body on me come on now, follow my lead come on now, follow my lead im in love with the shape of you we push and pull like a magnet do although my heart is falling too im in love with your body last night you were in my room and now my bedsheets smell like you every day discovering something brand new im in love with your body ohiohiohiohi im in love with your body ohiohiohiohi im in love with your body ohiohiohiohi im in love with your body every day discovering something brand new im in love with the shape of you one week in we let the story begin were going out on our first date you and me are thrifty so go all you can eat fill up your bag and i fill up a plate we talk for hours and hours about the sweet and the sour and how your family is doing okay leave and get in a taxi then kiss in the backseat tell the driver make the radio play and im singing like girl, you know i want your love your love was handmade for somebody like me come on now, follow my lead i may be crazy, dont mind me say, boy lets not talk too much grab on my waist and put that body on me come on now, follow my lead come, come on now, follow my lead im in love with the shape of you we push and pull like a magnet do although my heart is falling, too im in love with your body and last night you were in my room and now my bedsheets smell like you every day discovering something brand new, im in love with your body. Body. Oh i oh i oh i oh i oh i im in love with your body. Every day discovering something brand new im in love with the shape of you come on, be my baby, come on come on, be my baby, come on come on, be my baby, come on come on, be my baby, come on come on, be my baby, come on come on, be my baby, come on come on, be my baby, come on im in the love with the shape of you we push and pull like a magnet do although my heart is falling too im in love with your body last night you were in my room now my bedsheets smell like you every day discovering something brand new im in love with your body come on be may baby come on im in love with your body come on be my baby come on come on im in love with your body every day discovering something brand new im in love with the shape of you rose im pleased to have ed sheeran back at this table almost two years to the day of his visit here. Thanks for having me, man. Its wonderful being back in new york. Its really cool. Rose do you love touring . I really do. Its kind of why i do it. I think making records i find super fun but the buzz of being on stage is, like, irreplaceable. Rose just you and a guitar and a loop pedal. A loop station is basically, you press record, you play something in, you press play and it loops back, so every note shows the same, everything is always completely live and attend of the song you wipe it and it never exists again. So its cool. Rose is it an adjustments to playing stadiums . You played wimbley which is about 80,000 people. Met life next year. Rose met life again. Which is exciting. Yeah. I think its not really that much different, but you kind of i think if you exert more energy doing it, you actually end up shooting yourself in the foot a little bit. I think you still need to trace it the same. I walk out on stage and just want everyone to have a good time. You know the way that people at shows have a good time is they let themselves go, sing as loud as they want and dance, then you walk out drained of energy and feeling great. Thats what i want the whole crowd to feel. Rose youve done other things. You have a few more tattoos im told. Yeah, a few more. Rose what can you tell us about the new tattoos . Theyre all over my body now. I have them all over my chest and stomach. To be honest, no one sees them other than me. Theyre in the shape of a video briefly. Theyre just for me, i like them. Rose made new friends like eric clapton. The last time we spoke, i met eric before then but we played in his record and he played on my record and we performed together and its been pretty great. Rose on the time 100 most influential people list . Yeah. I dont know if thats true because i dont know, like, how im influencing people. Rose well you are certainly influencing what you ople and youre influencinging music. Yeah, thank you. Rose what else it you think that connects you to so many people in the pop world . I dont know because im not doing anything that hasnt been done before. Rose youre writing songs that you play yourself . Yeah, and i think im writing songs from the heart that are honest and i think musicians for all time have done that, but i think my influence is probably unique to the music that i make, so, like, the music i make is probably not the most, like, innovative ideas, but i think the music that gets poured into the melting pot for it probably are, the stuff i grew up listening to and stuff. Rose the last album had stories about exgirlfriends. Yes. Rose this album has stories about what . One girlfriend, is a girl i was with last time i saw you actually. Shes a girl i went to school with and grew up with. Yeah, we kind of got sacked off both of our jobs and went traveling for a year together and its pretty much a year of experiences. Rose this is a year of that journey . Yeah, i went to ghana so stay with musician friends of mine there and all we did was create music and eat really great food. Rose did you learn new music . Yeah, the title means all is well in ghanaian. Rose eraser is about fame and fortune and celebrity. Yeah, the first track of the album was Something Different before that and it was a very dark song about all of that. I kind of wanted to sum it up a little bit more and pour more information in. So its just an information overload. Just to kind of, like, up to now story of my life basically. Rose its all stories of your life, isnt it . Yeah, but that one is really, like the other songs are, like, stories of my life in a kind of romantic view of it. So it will be a love song or kind of a song about a breakup whereas erase is like i talk about my dad taking me to concerts on a road called the a14 or, you know, i start off by saying i was born inside a small town and i lost that state of mind and then learn to singin side the lords house and stopped at age of nine. Its very specific of my life and reads like an autobiography. Rose castlele on a hill is about a castle in your hometown. Framlingham castle where henry viii kept his mistresses. Rose whats is the song about . I guess about a night out with someone but its not exactly like the deepest song to read into because its kind of just all there on the surface, its basically, like, fans i didnt think a girl on fancying a girl on a fight out. Rose and gal go away girl. I had a girl come over and make this album with me. Basically ten different times ive spent in dublin. Baby i just want to dance with my pretty. Rose when you took the year off with your girlfriend was the idea to lose yourself or find something . Yeah, do you know what, she left our high school and came to university and did a bachelors degree and she was in university five years and i left school and toured. Rose at 16. Yeah, but i left and toured. We both never really experienced most of our friends left school, went traveling to thailand and stuff, and we both didnt experience that because we just focused on our work. So what we both really wanted to experience was that but not on a budget and kind of going to japan. I have been to tokyo but ive never seen okinawa or actually going around and seeing a country, because if you were top visit england and just go to london youre not really seeing the country. Rose absolutely. We just wanted to take in other coaches. Rose youve got enough money to spend and buy and have and do anything you wanted to do . Yeah, but i dont live like that. I dont want a big luxury on a private scwet. I want to live in the country and eat fish and chips. Rose you dont think youve changed do you . I definitely have. Rose in what way . Im 26. If you look at anyone from age 20 to 26 they change a lot because you move out of home for the first time, youre meeting new people and experience and you do great, so i think in that aspect i think i have changed personally but in terms of professionally year on year, i think im just getting more and more focused. When i first started out, i would be, like, ill do anything, and now its, like, very specifically doing things that actually will benefit the music rather than just rose but ill do anything means ill do anything to have you hear my music, ill do anything to promote my song, ill do anything to get the kind of traction i want. Yeah, well, i would go and play, like rose everywhere. Yeah, i remember playing in, like, one of the london pods that go around like to 20 people. I think now i would do that but if it was planned out. Out. Rose you went to london when you were 16,. Yes. Rose how do you think you difficult it and so many people want to be you and dont do it beyond the idea of talent which is obviously crucial . I didnt have a plan b and i wouldnt class myself as talented. I think you have to work for talent. I i couldnt really play guitar or sing and i learned how to do both. I couldnt write, and i learned how. I think persistence is worst more than talent. Work great and persistence. Like, i came to london and was mott the best singersongwriter or the best performer in the scene i was in. And even at the time where i got signed, i probably wasnt the best but the more and more you work at something you give yourself no choice but to get better. So i think persistence for me was the key. Thats what i tell any kid nowadays that comes up and says how do i become a performer . Im, like, dont worry if you cant really sing or play. I couldnt really when i first started out, but i was persistent with it. I never thought i would be doing anything else. I never thought i would play stadiums but i thought i would make a living doing music even playing a pub show and getting 100 at the end of the night. I knew that was possible, so i never had any other plan. Rose you had no plan b. No. Rose how long did it take you . Four years. Four years. But that was, like, playing shows every tuesday and thursday i play plea shows a night, sunday i play two shows a might and the other days i play one show a night. So it was four years of very, very intense gigging and recording and networking. Rose but thats an invaluable experience. Yeah. Well, now, like, if i get up at met life stadium im not nervous. Ive done almost 2,000, 3,000 shows to feet to this point and i know its going to go well. Rose do you vary the set list for every stadium . Yeah. Well, i mean, i have the same beginning and end and the middle varies. The beginning always goes well and the end always goes well but in the middle if someones coming, like, for instance wimbley stadium, someone has two or three tickets, which is common for fans to come to multiple shows, i want them to see a different show every time, playing different songs every night. Rose its clear to me you develop a savvy sense of the business of music as well as the doing of music. Thats the thing. I get a lot of people because i did an interview earlier in the year where i got kind of called shrewd businessman but in a negative sense, and my argument to that was, like, if i wanted to be a basement musician and still play pubs i would be, but i want as many people in the world to hear my music, and you cant not be Business Savvy and make that happen. You have to, like you have to in every way be, like, right, if pi go and see every single Radio Station in the country four or five times, ill play the song and people will play the music and hear the album and have the whole thing. I want people to really, you know, take in. And it shows that the shows when you play a gig and you have you know, sometimes people propose at the gig so they have their first dance or some peoples first kisses and thats what i want the music to be. I want the people to be engrained in people as memories and good feelings and i dont think you can get to that point just letting someone else do it. I think you have to be focused. Rose is it somebody that works for you or you actually do it yourself. Youre the guy who keeps your focus. I definitely keep my focus but in that sense keeping a focus you pick out very, very talented people to work with you as well. So the people that do my press and tv tnd my manager and tv and people who work on my tour theyre all as focused and hard working as each other because they all have the same end goal. So the guy who does my sound engineering, he wants to be the best sound engineer in the world and it just so happens well link up and try to achieve the goal together. Rose do you remind yourself of any artist we might know otherwise . Ive always kind of looked at brucBruce Springsteen at my benchmark because hes a workhorse and hes gig gig gig gig, show show show show rose and three hours and more. I havent got ton that point. But its all about the fans, people walking away thinking i had a really good experience, so, yeah, hes like my benchmark to look at. Rose we did an interview with jeff bezos, and he said he only thinks of the customer which is the person for you in the arena. In my mind with the competition, i mean, its different in jeff bezos line of work because competition is everything, like if someone else takes over. But with music, music is so subjective that you dont really have competition because no one does what i do and i dont do what anyone else does so if theres another artist that will sell more than me or more tickets its like they have their own lane, its not like theyre stealing. You make your music and someone else is, like, its very difficult to look at competition as a musician because everyones kind of in their own lane and its only when you come down to trivial things like performance slots on the grammys where its actually a competition thing but thats up to someone else to be we want them to perform and not you but in terms of existing like a musician its not i dont think i have a cettive streak with myself, like i want to do better than last time, so thinking out loud, i want the shape of you to rose so you are running against yourself all the time. Yeah, but thats not, like, to take away anything from any other musician, everyone has their own lane and fan base and my fans arent going to, like, kiss regard someone just because theyre my fan. Theyre not going to be, like, no, im not going to listen to them. Theyll have a wide music taste and go to a lot of concerts and listen to a lot of music online and i dont think competition comes into it but my competitive streak is more with myself to better what i did last time. Rose do you still have time to write for other people . Yeah, surprisingly is that so justin comes to you and says, hey, man, have you got another song . Just happened. Rose is that right . Just happened about a week ago. Yeah, i dont know if its coming out this year or happening at all but he did ask me. Rose did you then go and say, by the way, ive got this song, let me go git it . Or did you say ill write you one . Well, i kind of i have a lot in the bank for him just in case. I have a lot that ive written because love yourself and cold water. Rose pretty damn good. Im going to write a bunch in case somebody comes. So i had one ready to go, basically. Rose but do you know the ones you want for yourself . For me its not about whether a song is more of a hit because i didnt know shape of you would be as big a hit. I dont know whats a hit and not a hit. Rose 2. 3 billion streams is a hit. Its more about what the song means to me. Castle on the hill is about my friends and my growing up. Rose and your home. And having someone else sing that doesnt make sense, whereas love yourself would be about so many Different Things that it doesnt really matter. Rose will you ever cover love yourself . I did a house gig the other day for music cares and i dropped it in there but that was like to 30 people and it just felt fun. Rose it is said that you have literally gone to friends houses who were having a birthday. Yeah. Rose and you will perform for their birthday. It will be 35 people or a wedding. I was thinking of someone the other day, theyre, like, whats your hobby . I was, like, music. In my spare time i like to write songs and perform. Honestly, if im somewhere, like i went to go and see brenham mars 2013 concert. He said hop up on stage. I said yeah. In my spare time, i love to perform and play, which people find weird because its my job, but i guess its having a really, really good job is doing what you love, which im sure you do as well. So, yeah, in my spare time rose find your passion and you will be okay. Precisely. Its not like i go to these weddings and birthdays when im asked. Its just rose but if i get married again im calling you. Perfect. Rose deal. Deal. Rose probably a deal you will never have to pay off on. I dont know, man. I go and play peoples weddings like that. This was one actually i promised back in, like, 2009 when i wasnt obsessed with touring and i did it in 11 or 1, so i do keep my promises. Rose well the reason your life is totally about music in part is because thats what you care about. Its also you have no time for anything but music and friends. Well, yeah, but even with friends friends fit in between the music and they know. They say, after this, im going into the studio again and making a song, and i just love it, man. Its, like, i dont know why i would want to do anything else. Rose can you feel and see yourself Getting Better and better . Do you feel better at it now . I definitely songwriting, i feel like, has become i think ive learned the art of it whereas before i would just chuck ideas together whereas now i kind of know rose its the art yeah, the art of it is all about, like, the structure and i think, for me, i was always so focused on lyrics, whereas, now, its more about usually when i write a melody, lyrics will just fall into it and i dont really think about it. Its like a subconscious thing that happens and the lyrics end up being better than when i was 20 but its more of a subconscious thing. Castle on the hill started off with me singing melodies that sounded nice. And a line said. Sing into tiny dancer and i was like thats like singing to tiny dancer and that falls in. Its more feeling it and letting it happen. Im on my way driving on 19 that old country lane singing to tiny dancer and i love the way you make me feel its real we watch the sunset over the castle on the hill rose how much of a risk element is part of your dna . Well, i give myself, like, one or two sure things. So for me on this album, perfect and castle on the hill were sure things. The rest of it i try new things out. Go away girl is probably the most polarizing song ive ever released and its either, like, the worst song anyones ever heard or, wow, its just rose theres no in between. No, theres no grey area and people really hate that song. But i enjoyed making it and it was definitely a risk to do, and, in my mind, it paid off because it shows its one of the best reactions i get. Yeah, and it sold a bunch of copies and so i dont think its i dont think it was a bad risk. But stuff like that or bibia be ye ye was me working with an artist town. Nancy mulligan was a focus. So on my last record i had a lot of success with experimenting. So this record i didnt want to do the same thing again and i experimented again and i think thats the way i keep it interesting. Rose whats the idea of plus, divide and multiply . Okay, so there was five eps i released before i got signed. One was with band, one was programmed, one was just acoustic, one was a live c. D. And one was a collaborations project. I had this idea if i make five things at completely different genres, i release them in a year and flood the market im in and eventually ill get record. By the fifth one, i signed the deal. Plus it was an addition to those five things and multiply when it came out, was to make everything wigger. Divide, if you look at divide as an album. Rose this one. 12 tracks, four bonuses, and its divided. Six of it pop r b and six acoustic and its divided out basically. Rose where do you think you will be five years from now . Do you know what . I feel you will be approaching 26 now . Yeah, 26. I will be hopefully thinking about starting a family. Thats something i would love to have. But musically i think, do you know i see the Music Industry going in one direction now, and its if you look at the beatles and elton john and that era, they were releasing two or three albums a year and it was write a song and put it on an album and release it, it was very much like that. That stopped when cassettes and c. D. S came out because it took a while for c. D. S to get everywhere and then get bought and people to hear it on the radio. Now i feel like the Music Industry was heading back to where it was where its quick, quick, quick. I spent three years on each album but i think its going to get to where people are going an album or two a year. Rose and the question comes will quality suffer. No, because i think the album i had of this a year ago, its not as perfect in my mind as this, but the songs were still good and i think, you know, us as songwriters and musicians, we write good songs all the time and we overthink it and were putting an album together and we go i dont know. And you just overthink it. Where i think the actual you know, the beatles never thought anything and elton john, they just put stuff on the record and release that, and we listen back to the records and some songs that never made it on an album were peoples favorite songs. So getting back to that will be quite a healthy thing for music. Rose how many people have two songs both be number one. I dont know. That was, like, i cant take credit for that idea. I wanted to release castle on the hill first and the label was put out shape of you and the way we did it is lets stick them both out at once and see which ones the winner. Rose who won. They both won in their own ways. Rose two very different songs. Yeah, but i think thats what helped sell the album because you go, right, ive heard these two songs, theyre so different, what else is on the album . If theyre two of the same songs, youre, like, the album will sound like that. But giving people divide, that was the divide. There was a pop r b and not exactly acoustic but the two different sounds. Rose when someone buys this album, what do you think theyre expecting . I dont real will you know. I cant pinpoint what my fan base is anymore. A show, i have, like, elderly couples coming because they like thinking out loud and i have, like, you know, fouryearold or fiveyearold children because they liked remember the shape of you and University Students coming on date night. I cant really pinpoint my fan base. So which is good because i think if you pander towards your fan base youre never really going to win. I just make the records. Rose be true to yourself. Yeah, i just make the record for me and its sort of the stuff i love and i put it out there. To be honest, it surprised me the breadth of people that have come up to me saying i really like the album. Its so many different people from so many different worldsds and its yeah, which i think is the good way to be. Rose you have said before and ive asked you this before, you are first in your mind a songwriter rather than a performer. Yes. Rose is that balance getting closer, though . Probably, yeah, because i think ive never like last time i saw you it was wimbley stadium and i never tha thoughti would get to play a stadium and we tour stadiums. I never thought i would become a stadium act. To be a stadium act i think you have to be the best performer you can be because your competition is coldplay and u2 and Bruce Springsteen so you have to work to get on that level. I will say i will always be a songwriter but i will say the balance is balancing out now that theres a lot of pressure. Rose so when i get remarried, im calling you ill find out where you are and well make it happen. Perfect. Rose great. The album divide, ed sheeran, great pleasure to have him here for the second time. I hope you will continue to stop by the table. Thats another thing. Ill get loads of people coming up to me going, i love you on charlie rose. Thank you for showing me to your audience. Rose great to have you. Pleasure, man. Rose rock music icon tom petty died monday, he had been found unconscious at his home in malibu. Tom petty and the heart breakers sold more than 80 million records including american girl, refugee, free falling and i wont back down. Bob dylan said he was a great performer, full of delight, a friend, ill never forget him. Tom petty and heart breakers completed a tour to celebrate their 40th anniversary, he called it his last trip across the country. He appeared on this program in 1999. Heres a look at moments from that conversation. I think theres a lot of places to go from rock still. I dont think the whole story has been told or the whole song has been sng. I still think there will be innovations within the form. And theres something timeless about rock and roll. I like to have the roll on. Rose yeah. Yeah, because the roll, to me, ent mates intimates a certain thing. When the term changed to rock, this widened the form, you know, like any so many different kinds of music were just sort of lumped in under this term rock, where i think rock and roll we tend to think of it more as a specific thing like played with guitar. Theres going to be a certain amount of attitude to it. Theres going to be an honesty to et. Whereas rock, i think theyve lumped in so many things under that banner now its not quite as pure. Its kind of standard these days with multitrack recording toedo add your solos later but we tried to learn the number as well perform it and put it down that way in the studio. Because so much of this music is about feel as opposed to, say, technique. Technique is great, but it will never substitute for feel. Thats what the heart breakers and i are striving for is feel, so that you feel it and you believe it, you know, to me, like, i mean, my singing voice compared to pavarotti wouldnt stand up, you know. But i think im good at getting over a believability, you know. If im going to play the narrator, i want people to believe me, you know, and i think those are the best singers, are the ones that you tend to believe. Rose there are certain songs you cannot leave the stage without playing. Yeah. Rose how many of them . Is it five . Well, maybe, yeah. I think there are a few that people expect to see, free falling and refugee and mary janes last dance. Rose where do you choose to put them in a performance . Wherever you feel like it . I try to put them wherever theyre going to have the most impact. I continue like to always save them for the end or whatever. Rose encore or whatever. I think thats too predictable. Sometimes i like to even open with one is a good way to do it. Rose that will get them going early. Yeah. And, you know, its hard because you can tire of these songs if you have been playing. Some of them we have been playing 20 years or more, american girl, you know, but they really want it, you know. So i just have to remind myself that im the same way. If i go to see ray charles, i really want whatd i say. Probably really tired of playing it. Rose did you put some limit on ticket prices for your concerts . Ive tried to hold it down. Rose to 50 or something . Yeah. Rose successful at it . Yeah, so far. Our costs keep going up. I dont think rock needs to be 150 a ticket. I dont think concerts are really worth that. I think this music was meant to be accessible to people, and when i was a young guy coming up, an album was three bucks, and id go out and collect coke bottles or whatever if i really had t to have this album, i coud raise three bucks and get it. Tickets were really cheap in those days. So im a little saddened to see i dont want to play only to the elite. Rose the notion is also that the material that moves your lyrics, where is it from . My life and might have friends lives. Its all around me. You know, inspiration is really never very far away, if you look for it. Its all around you, you know. I dont try to write a diary of my life in my work, but it is reflected, you know. I was telling someone recently if i if i sat down to write contensionlely, i dont think confessionally, i dont think i would write. It would put me off. When a some comes, its kind of a magical thing. You know youre picking up some signal. Youre writing and doing your best to questioned words and to get words and music down. They often come at the same time for me. But im much better, in retrospect, in looking back a few months later or even a week later and saying, oh, i see, i understand where this is coming from. But i dont always sit down and think, okay, im going to write a song about this or that. I just let it go, and it does wind up capturing a lot of me. But i have written about other people and their problems as well. Rose you will always have material. Sure, yeah. I think material is always around, and thats the great joy is to create something that wasnt there. Rose whats harder, the music or the lyrics . Theyre equally hard. Theyre equally easy. Ill tell you whats tough for me is when i write lyrics first, i have a really hard time finding the right piece of music that i think, you know, sort of matches the color of these lyrics. I always hope that i get at least a verse or a ch a chorus, something come in as i find the melody, and that will usually guide me. But i has been tricky sometimes to get music to fit lyrics. For me. Rose i would think it would work the other way around. I would think that once you have the lyrics, you could think of the music. I would think that the lyrics would go in search of music rather than music going in search of lyrics. Some people do it that way. For me its the opposite. I have a tough time setting the lyrics to music. I dont know why. I have to find the right feel pore e. E for it. So i try to write at least a chunk of it at the same time. I tend to trust them more if they come in on the same bus. Rose are you writing all the time. No. Rose or do you sit town when you need to and write . I keep a guitar or piano nearby most of the time, an i may have an idea or i may have a piece of a song here and there, but usually these days i write more when i know im going to have an album, you know, when time has been set aside to record, then i will set aside a few months, and ill work fairly diligently, but, you know, some days you go into work. My jobs a funny one. Its very Lonely Sometimes because you go in the room and you want to write and either you can pick up your guitar and its either friendly and anything you play sounds very musical, and then some days its not so friendly and it sounds cold. If it becomes a struggle, ive learned over the years to just walk away and go, okay, well, im not writing today because its a struggle. And i just wait for those days that it seems to be agreeable, you know. The gods are with me. Rose tom petty dead at 66. Rose for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. 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