Things are. Some strokes you can feel the splashes. Thats crazy. Isnt that nuts . laughter rose sports for the hour, next. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose Sergio Garcia is here. He is the 2017 masters champion. Last night he won the green jacket in dramatic fashion defeating justin rose in a playoff. Here is a look at the winning putt. And after so many years once and for all for sergio cheers and applause it was a hard week, but it was one very, very enjoyable and i will never forget and i get to call myself master champion. That is amazing. cheers and applause rose the title was garcias first in what many consider the four major tournaments of the year, the masters, the u. S. Open, the british open and the pga. Yesterday also marked what would have been the 60th birthday of the first spaniard to win at augusta national. Pleased to have him at the table for the first time, welcome Sergio Garcia. Thank you very much. Rose congratulations. You said your voice was horse. I said stayed up too late . You said, no, this, screaming. What are you screaming . Whats the feeling . It was pretty much just saying i think it was pretty much all in spanish. It was just saying yes in spanish and come on. But it was definitely the hardest scream ever for that length of time. And thats why my voice is like this. Rose but the fans were behind you all week. Yeah, they were amazing. Ive always felt very loved everywhere i play, obviously, but at augusta, theyve always cheered me on. Theyve always been very you know, very highclass, you know, very very respectful, not only to myself but everyone. I felt like this year even from the practice rounds on, everyone was really behind me and it definitely helped me to push on and get a little bit of that extra energy that you need to be able to achieve Something Like that. Rose reading a little bit of what you said sense the victory yesterday, you kept saying i was calm, you know. You had some bad things happen to you. Yes. Rose and some really good things. Yes. Rose but you said, even at the worst, i was calm. It didnt make me crazy. Yeah, and thats probably the difference between standing here with you with the green jacket today and maybe finishing second or third. Because i played on the front nine, i played great yesterday, and i probably should have been, i would say probably at least four under par, and i was two under par. I missed three or four really good opportunities. But i knew i was playing well. I wasnt panicking. I was just, like, just keep doing what youre doing, theyll drop. Dont worry. I bogeyed ten, nine, eleven and that was a moment to get a little worried. But i was, like, youre still close to the lead and playing well. I felt very comfortable. So the par on 13 was massive. That par putt not only because it kind of felt like a birdie but because it got me back in a positiveway. I made a good putt that i needed to make that helped me play 14 great, made birdie. Rose and played 15. And played 15 amazing. That second shot i hit, it was probably the straightest 8iron i ever used. Rose how many yards. 19 yards downhill. Rose a bit further than mine. A little bit of adrenaline. Rose this is the approach at 15 we just talked about. Take a look at it. Really high, hard, accelerating followthrough, try to get it up in the air. Almost holds it out in the fly cheering i dont know that sergio knows how close that came to going in. The great thing about that is it left me a nice little lefttoright straightup putt. Rose how many yards, ten . No, it was probably about i would say 12 feet. If it would not have hit the flag it probably would have been closer, 6 to 7 feet, but a downhill lefttoright break so a tougher putt, but those Little Things that you say, oh, i hit the flag and it went a little bit farther than it would have, yeah, but it kind of worked in my favor because it left me an easier putt to hold. Rose and then you were back in it. Yes, i birdied that hole and both got to 9 under. We both hit great shots on 16. He made a great birdie and unfortunately i didnt hit a very good putt there. But same thing, i didnt freak out. I was, like, youre still playing great. You have two holes to go. You have to make one birdie unless he makes a mistake or maybe two and see what happens. He bogeyed 17. I made a good, solid par. Then on 19 we hit two great shots and both had chances of making birdies. I think we both hit great putts and none of them broke the way we thought, we both missed it just on the rightleft yeah. He hung it out. As i said, its flat. Rose now, were you outdriving justin most of the day . Yeah, most yeah, most of the day. I think it was a combination of i was swinging likely nicely, and i was going after it with my driver. I hit some really nice drives. At the same time, justin was hitting the ball well but, you know, his back problems he was having, a couple of drives he didnt hit it as long as he can hit it because he can hit it as far as me pretty much. Rose 220, 230 . Yeah, depends on the situation, but about a 300 carry and then depends on the roll. Rose there is another picture i want to show you. This one. Did she make a difference for you in terms of confidence . This is your fiancee. Yes, angela. Yes, she definitely has helped. Theres no doubt about that. I think her and my whole team have been working hard to, you know, make me better golfer, better person, and weve all you know, weve all put an effort, and she definitely has put her little bit in it. Rose you grew up in a relatively small town in spain. Yes. Rose your father was a caddy, your mother ran the pro shop. Mmhmm. Rose were they both there . Yes, they were. Rose at the masters . Yes, they were. Rose and tell me the first thing your father said to you, victor. Victor, yeah. He could barely say anything because they were both crying. I mean, everybody was crying. You know, my dad, my mom, angela, her parents were there, too. So everybody was very, very emotional. But i think my dad, firm correctly if i remember correctly, he gave me a big hug and he said, you know, youve done it, so happy, so proud of you, youve won the masters, this is just unbelievable. Rose you have said the triumph was a demonstration of my mentality and my character. What did you mean . Well, i said it throughout the week. I said it that sometimes there at the masters and in some of the tournaments, like my frame of mind hasnt been where it should have been, you know, have been like we were talking before, not accepting things, letting things happen, trying to force things. So that week, last week, i was much better at that. I was much better at committing to what i wanted to do, of calming myself down and accepting what was happening, good and bad. So not getting ahead of myself when i was making a birdie or an eagle or whatever. Rose do you have a pro who is an instructor or is he more physical and in a team that travels with you having to do with yeah, i mean, when i talk about team, i mean, angela, i mean, obviously my dad that is also my coach. Rose oh, he is. Yeah, my whole life. He also played a little bit on seniors tour and hes also a professional. My mom, my managers, my caddy, everyone that helps around, my whole family, angelas family, everyone that, you know, brings something positive to the team and to me, so it helps me to play better. Rose well, i hope you win the grand slam. Thank you, that would be great. Rose promise you will come back to this table. I will. Rose all right, great. Thank you so much, congratulations on mastery of the game. Thank you. Rose Maria Sharapova is here. She is a fivetime grand slam tennis champion and one of the worlds highest paid and highest profile athletes in. January she tested positive for a heart medication recently banned by antidoping regulators, disclosed the infraction during a News Conference in march. I wanted to let you know that a few days ago i received a letter from the i. T. F. That i had failed the drug test at the australian open. I did fail the test and i take full responsibility for it. Rose in june the International Tennis federation banned sharapova for two years. Today the court of arbitration for courts announced it was reducing her suspension by nine months. They ruled the penalty went too far for a violation that was committed unintentionally. Sharapova is cleared to return to competitive tennis in april in time of wimbledon and the u. S. Open. Pleased to have her at the table for the first time. Welcome. Thank you so much. Rose tell me about the reaction that came from switzerland. Friday morning was a Beautiful Day for me, my family and my friends and just the thought of coming back. I was in my bathroom and i received the note from cass, and i just screamed down to the first floor to my mother that im coming back, and it was yeah, you know, the last seven months or so, i have been really strong. I knew that i had to, and then she came up and she ran up the stairs and i gave her a hug and all of a sudden i was just so emotional. Everything let go because something that i wanted so much, i was having another opportunity at it. Rose they have said clearly, and theyve said a number of things as a result of the investigation and the report that they had today, they said that they rejected the core argument you were significantly at tolts fault for taking a substance to enhance performance, that you did not try to hide the use, that you took it in good faith over a long period of time. So the question has to do with their motive in part. How could they believe that this, in your words, ce served a 24month suspension . Well, i got a 24month suspension, but they wanted for years for me, charlie. Rose they wanted four years. The i. T. F. Wanted to ban me for four years. And i went through the i. T. F. Hearing, which in front of an arbitration that was chosen by the i. T. F. So im in a hearing knowing that the people im speaking to this was four or five months back in london the people that im speaking to were chosen by the people that im actually in a fight with. So im not sure that they call that neutral. Thats not neutral. Cass is neutral and thats what cass awarded to me. Rose do you think they were trying to make an example of you . I never wanted to believe that, but im starting to think that. Rose someone used the expression tall poppy. Never heard that expression. Rose well, i think its e minds of some, an example, in , say, doping has no place and suggesting, in fact, no matter how strong and how celebrated the person was, you know, if they thought they were using drug enhancement, theyd take them down. Right. Its hard for me to speak for them. I think that i mow what i was fighting against and i was fighting well, i was fighting for my right to get back to the court by making an honest mistake but i was also fighting an organization that wanted to ban me for four years and that was wrong. That was wrong because they didnt do their part. I from the beginning came out two, three days after i got that letter about the violation. I came out to the world and i explained my story, and im proud of that. Rose because you wanted to control your own case, you wanted to make sure that no, because when i saw that, i wanted the world to know. There was no way i was going to tell people im injured or just wait this out or pretend its something that im not, this is it. Rose you wanted to take command of it in a sense. Yes, and i owed it to my fans, fans that wake up in the middle of the night to watch me play that supported me that have died through my matches. I owed that to them, yes. Rose there are two aspects to this. Number one, as you were going through this, did you find people who you expected to support you didnt . You know what i learned is i think ive always been an athlete that ive said this from the very beginning of my career, i never personally had a role model when i grew up. I watched television but there was never a person who i said i want to be just like them. And as ive gone through my career and young girls and boys would come up to me and say i want to be just like you, i would say, no, you want to be better than me, dream to be better than i ever was. But during this process, i really realized how impactful my career has been towards millions of people and how ive impacted young girls and boys and older generation that have watched me from a 17yearold girl till now, how much they admired me. The amount of people who stopped me in the last upseven months is more than ive seen ever in my life and say i hope you get through this, you deserve to get back. You never deserved to get punished like this by the i. T. F. , this is wrong, many people who i didnt know in Different Industries emailed me, contacted me, showed their support. Thats when i realized, maybe i was a little naive about my accomplishments and how ive inimpacted so many peoples lives and inspired them and it made me realize that, no, you set an example and thats why i was proud of the fact that i came out and i was able to say that. Rose your sponsors and those who you had endorsement contracts with fully supportive from day one or did they pull back and say lets see this through . My sponsors have been incredible. I must admit, it was difficult in the beginning because none knew until my announcement rose didnt know about it until you came forward. Didnt know about it until i came forward, until my press conference. So from that point of view, it was a shock, as im sure, from everyone. I wanted it to come from me and not anyone else and thats why for three days only a small group of people knew about it. Nike had a tough statement. It was hard. I had been with them since i was 11 years old. Rose what did they say . I dont remember word by word, but it was aggressive that they had been through a lot with athletes and i took it personal because i have a lot of pride in being part of their family, so it took a little bit of time to speak to mark parker about what happened. Rose and then when you told him . We had a great conversation, and hes been amazing, and, yeah, all my sponsors have been rose so you will not lose any sponsors because of this . I hope is not. Rose but the interesting question, too, is, you know, a remarkable career, but to be away for 24 months could have had i mean, youre in what 29, yes . I am 29. Rose youre 29. Dont say it like that. Rose well, no, but you have a remarkable career. But this kind of absence, if it had been two years or four years, could have had an incredible impact on your career. It could have been over. Absolutely. My career was never going to end this way, never. From the first day i got that letter, that is when i started my comeback. I started my comeback in march. Rose did you ever doubt you would be sitting here today feeling very good about the future . I never doubted that i would be back. I certainly had tough days and negative days and i went through the ups and downs is that and who did you depend on when those days were bad. Your mother . My mother. My mother. Rose and your tell me. My mother, my father and my team. A very small group of people. My coach has been amazing through this whole process. People i feel there are people in my career and in my life at this time for certain reasons, and one of them was this. Rose let me talk about the career. You were born in chernobyl. I was. Rose and then my mother was pregnant with me for eight months about 30 kilometers from the explosion. Rose and you left chernobyl. Left chernobyl. That was in belarus and we fled to russia while my mom was pregnant and i was born in russia, i was born in the north in siberia, and when i was 2 we moved to sochi, a much warmer place. Rose so you started playing early. I played when i was four. My dad played recreationally, and someone said i had talent. Im not sure anyone could say that of a 6yearold girl but they said there is an exhibition martina and i was hosting in moscow with another 200 kids and said why dont you be part of it . My father and i went. I was on the court with hundreds of kids. It was chaos. She was feed ago few balls to the kids, having a little chat. Im not exactly sure what happened but the next thing you know i saw her coming up to my dad and having a conversation, and i think what she said is she thought i had talent and we should do something about it. A year and a half later we were on our flight to miami. Rose on your way to see nick balatari. Yes. Rose and he didnt take you at first glance. It took you two years. Yes. Ocked on everyones doorof unexpectedly, heres a 7yearold girl, she wants to play tennis and she has this dream, and eventually, ive never been back to russia since to live. Rose youve never been back . Not to live. Rose your mother came later . Yes, i came with my father. He got a working visa, and i joined him at the time as someone could with that type of visa and my mom couldnt come for the first two years. I couldnt go in and out of the country. Rose you simply had to communicate in whatever way you could. At that time i believe it was just regular mail. Rose when did you know that you had the right stuff, i dont like to ever knowyersly that because thats what keeps me motivated, thats what keeps me on the edge. I never feel that im great. People ask me the question about legacy, and grand slam champion, you have been number one in the world, and i go to a tournament as if i never won it, because i no, i always feel that i have to have that edge in a way where i inspire my own self and thats how i do it. Rose well, youve won Roland Garris twice. Thats where i won my grand slam twice. Rose how do you see your game. I havent thought about my game in a while. Rose so this preoccupied you since you got the phone call from them . Yeah, well, i have been very occupied. I actually havent been home that much. Ive traveled a lot, ive done things that i never had the opportunity to do and in a time where i never where i didnt know what my future would be or had so many questions, i actually felt leak i had a schedule and i had a plan and i never knew what weekends felt like and for the first time i actually know that, oh, theres a saturday and theres a sunday and im actually looking forward to those days, whereas, before, your mindset is so different, the weekends are grand slam finals and thats what youre working for, so that perspective has changed and also in terms of training, i have been training in a very different way where im not training for a tournament. Im not training for to get back in a few months. I was just training for myself. Rose and whats that like . I felt so good because youre doing it for you and to feel good and i feel that how i set the taupe was the day after i had made the announcement, it was a very long night. As you can imagine, i didnt get much sleep. I signed up for a spinning class at 8 30 a. M. I knew that might have been Wishful Thinking but at least if i sign up, i wont be able to get a refund. So im going to go for it. And about 7 45, i called my coach and i said, i dont think im going to make this class because he was in town with me. And something and hes, like, okay. Obviously, its understandable. But at 8 00 a. M. , i got out of bed and i was, like, im going. I set the standard for myself that i was going to push the limit and i was going to push myself and i went there and for an hour of that class i was miserable because i was i had no energy. I had one of the longest days in my career, but i pushed through it, and i felt like that set the tone for my body, for my mind, and ever since i have been doing different workouts, i have been training differently, and its all been for me. Rose so you feel like some of the best tennis may be ahead of you . I hope so. I know that today, yesterday, i got the best gift i could have got for my 30th birthday. Rose you had some reason to believe that they would reduce the suspension simply based on what theyd done in the past. Im sure john, your attorney, said theyve done this in the past and with some variety of occasions. But you never know. You never know. Thats look, the i. T. F. s tribunal in the past has been overruled by cass in the last six times including my case. So, yes, you can be optimistic and hopeful and all those things rose but its your life and career thats at stake. Yes. And you can go into it thinking, yes. I went into the cass hearing with a different mindset. I went into it as, you know, what, this is my career on the line and im going to do something about it. Yeah. I think it was more of an internal feeling. Rose do you feel like its a fare description of you to say be defined as tough in the face of adversity, that somehow the kind of life that you have lived has given you some of that stuff . I believe so, and ive never used the word rejection in my life. I dont believe in rejection. I dont believe in nos. I just get through it. I was born to be a warrior, and in tennis and in my life rose how were you born to be a warrior . Because there is something, when ive had challenges in my life, ive persevered, and thats not just in me. I feel that whether youre a tennis player or in another career, when you have challenging moments in your life, my first one in my life came when i had shoulder surgery. I was out for a year, and there is something during that period that builds you dont know its happening, but its something inside i don of you t builds. It almost becomes an immunity to pain, almost, and during that time, i was training, i was doing everything i could with no knowledge that i would ever go back on the tennis court after shoulder surgery with no one that i could look to that ever came back and won a grand slam after shoulder surgery. But i went through it, and i just day after day after day i grinded it out, i kept going. When i went back on the court and playing tournaments and making errors and losing matches maybe i shouldnt have lost and people were saying shes never going to come back, nothing phased me, because something i built inside of myself, the strength that i built over that time got me through that, and for me this is another example of rose thats my point. When you go on the court against serena, in your mind you think youre going to win . Of course. laughter rose yes. Why would you go on the court if thats not the way you think . Rose some people intimidate other people. Shes won more of the recent matches one on one than you have won in a significant way. Yes, in a huge way. But thats as a competitor, you cant think like that when you go out on the court. You should just leave. You should book your ticket. Rose if you think you cant win. Of course. Rose you dont want to be on the court regardless of whos on the other side. You shouldnt. Rose but some people can intimidate because of the strength of their game and, in fact, you did that to people. I think theres a certain there is definitely when i walk on the court and a lot of times i feel that i have a great edge and i havent even hit a ball, and its a great feeling. Rose because you have confidence in what you can do. Yeah, its a confidence that transitions into you see, in tennis, its different. A little bit maybe than other sports, but you dont have to be the best version of yourself every single day. You just have to be better than your opponent on that day. So if that means that youre better than your opponent by being mediocre on that day, thats good enough on that day. Rose and when you lose, what do you say to yourself . Mmy opponent happened to be better than i am this day . Thats one of a few things. Rose what else do you say . Im tough on myself. I expect a lot from myself. I do. What do i train for if i dont. Rose and so what do you think you can do in tennis now . Wind grand slams . Youve won every grand slam. Youve won the u. S. Open, the french, the wim down, the australian. That puts you in the hall of fame right there. I hope so. Rose well, of course it does. So what are the career objectives now . Its to continue that, to i dont think of a particular title, i dont think of a particular trophy, i dont think of a particular tournament. Of course the grand slams are special and especially when ive had the amazing opportunity to hold all four. But when i go in the middle of nowhere to play at a tournament and its a smaller event thats maybe not covered on tv, my attitude of the way i enter the court is no different than when i go out and play the finals of a grand slam. So, of course, i want to say, yes, i want to win grand slams, but it doesnt matter if im going out and playing an exhibition. You know, i still travel with my team to make sure that im doing the right things. Rose whos on your team . My coach. My physical toacand hitting partner. Rose theres a saying, if it doesnt kill me, it will make me stronger. Does this make you stronger . I believe in that saying so much. I do believe it. There are a lot of things in my life that have made me really strong, and i had a very tough upbringing. I moved to the United States as a young girl with my parents. We didnt have much money. Rose with one parent. Yeah, with one parent. With 700, with no knowledge of where we were going in the United States. We went through that. I became i was living a dream and basically my parents paved the way for me to realize my dream and my potential and im writing that, and ive gone through a lot and this is part of my journey, and theres no doubt in my mind that, as i said before, i started my comeback in march and im coming back in april. Rose thank you for stopping by here. Thank you for having me. Rose we turn now to a remarkable conversation between two fascinating individual performers, Michael Phelps and Mike Kryzewski are two of the most successful and highly decorated competitors in sports history. Phelps achievements as an olympian are unprecedented, five olympics and 28 medals and 23 gold medals. No one has won more basketball games as Mike Kryzewski, better known as coach k. , led duke to five championships. In august, led team u. S. A. At the rio olympics where he won three 2k3w08d medals. I recently sat down with Michael Phelps and coach k. In chicago at the b. D. T. Global summits and talked about olympic memories, what it means to be the bestics and the strategies they utilized to achieve the remarkable performance. Here is that conversation. I start with you, coach capital. Coach k. , whats the x coach k i start with you, coach k. What do you do to tell basketball players how to be better. Start with the juggler. Rose michael taught to swim. He has it and youre in constant search for it. I think the great players and teams that ive had the honor of coaching whether it be for the United States or duke. Its much more than physical and it basically said they do not that person or that team does not have a point of failure. They have interruptions which knock them back, but they will never accept failure, you know, in training, in competition or whatever. So theyre just woven a certain way where they see and in whs grant hill or lebron james, bryant or a number of guys that ive had to coach that have it, i think thats pi have to say one thing certainly, theyre talented and all that, but its that thing inside of them and sometimes you have to help them find that that then gets them, and all of a sund they go past the limit they thought they had. Like the buttons. Yeah and all of a sund theres another button that they and i just want to tell all of you, its a really an honor for a coach to sit next to him. Ive coached more great players because ive coached u. S. Team for 11 years than anyone in the history of the sport, and when youre around greatness. He he is as great an athlete that has ever been placed on this planet because he has done et not just for one period of time, its crazy that hes done it for fiveo links. Really five olympics. Really, in the history of the sport in this entire world thank you. Look, im not just blowing smoke, and hes a maryland fan, too. applause hes got the extractor. Rose and the olympics have been around a long, long time. laughter and to have more than anybody in the long, long history of the olympics says something important. Yeah. Rose so what do you think mean, its along the samee lines as coach said. I competed with my coach for 20 years. If you look at sports today, you dont find many athletes that are with a coach for that long. You dont see it, right . No. I was trying to think of another athlete whos been with a coach for that long and, you know, bob and i started at 11 and, from 11 to about 18, i you know, he would say jump, i would say how high . When he first met me at 11, he told me in four years i could make the olympic team. I stopped playing la crosse, baseball and started focusing on swimming. I trusted him and four years later made my first team. X months later, came back,t. Worked my tail off, broke my first world record at 15. Kind of after that, we got to 18, we went to michigan. We were at michigan for four years. Thats when i started realizing i could talk back. I never had that before. So we kind of played with that a little bit, and ill never forget in 2006, he let me do it my way and at the end of 2006, i was not the happiest camper. So 2007, 2008, we kind of changed it again, and i can probably say it today those are the two best years i had in my career of 2007, 2008. So i started trusting him again. Of course we have our battles. It all goes back to hes pressing my buttons. We grew together as we both changed. You know, some of the obstacles i went through in my life and the changes i went through in my life, he had to change on sort of how he approached me and how he worked together and i think thats something i saw over the last two years that made us work as well as we did. These last two years in my career, i i couldnt have asked for a better finish. This is what i wanted in london. I wanted closure on the spoorntd my career and when i hung up my suit, i wanted to hang it up the way i wanted to hang it up, not how i was in 201, i just felt like in 2012, i just felt i wanted to get through it, didnt really care. Taking a year and a half two, years off, kind of deciding things on my own, i think helped me learn a lot. And once i came back, i knew i had to do it a certain way and i had to do it his way. Rose was he there for the struggles . Of course. You know, growing up in a Single Family home, i had a lot of father figures in my life who helped me through things, and he was one of them. You know rose but didnt see your own father much . I went through a phase where i, you know, probably saw my father five times in 20 years, and that was a struggle for me. But now we are finally at the point where we are friends and were building a friendship again and i think, you know, im so very thankful for, you know, the things that have happened in my life that brought me to the point where i am today because this is how life should be. Rose and you can build the relationship. Its amazing. You know, its amazing to have him not only a part of my life but a part of my familys life as well and hes able to see and get to know his grandson. Rose after 2012, did you think you were going to come back in 2016 . For him . Rose no, you. He should have come down. Rose because i thought you said this is it. We both said that. Right. For him to be with one coach that long is incredible because youre going through different stages. I coach 18yearolds who become 22yearolds and they leave, and when i starred coaching the olympic team, 11 years ago, wow, its different. And the thing that you had with your coach and something that you all want to build all the time is shared vision where you have shared vision and, at times, like when youre 18 or something, he saw a vision for you that you couldnt see. Right. And that relationship whether it be in business, family or in coaching is the thing i like the best and, for me, its not just a shared vision with a particular player, its a shared vision with a group, and we try to manifest that in the olympics a certain way, and i do it a little bit not a little bit a lot different way with my duke team, but shared vision is a really important thing. Rose michael, you have said you wan wanted to change your goal is to change swimming. Its happening. At 15 i just had this dream of completely changing the sport both in and out of the pool. I thought that at that point that i wanted the sport to have more attention because i think as a National Team were probably the most dominating National Team in the world and, you know, for me, kind of growing up in that sport the things i was able to see and do in that sport changed my life and, you know, for me it also, now, sort of being out of the pool, thats where sort of the next chapter in my life is happening. In 2001, i started working with the boys and girls club of america, and children under age 14, drowning is the second highest cause of death. So i started working with them in baltimore in 2001. In 2008, i opened up my foundation. Kids to live healthy and active lifestyles, but also teaching kids water safety. Thats the only reason i started to swim. My mom put my two sisters and myself in the water specifically just to be water safe, and this is what it turned out to be. Pretty good. laughter not bad. I guess it turned out okay. Rose all of sudden parents all over america are throwing their kids in the pool. Especially the shortlegged kids. laughter thats amazing. Rose also what youve done is inspired people. Kady la decky, youre her inspiration. For me, this olympics, i felt like a dad. I honestly did. Because i had been on the National Team for so long, but also sort of i feel like my role changed on this team. You have the story of katy, god, when she was 10 and we have a picture together. Another girl on the team smaliga, i was, like, i had posters up of you as a kid and now im on the team with you. Ryan murphy, same thing. A couple of these guys you have pictures they got as a kid. For me i was cool being able to see them and watching them grow up into the people they are now because now for me, i am retired technically not retired, but retiring soon, i havent signed the papers but im retiring, so its nice for me to be able to see the Younger Generation kind of taking over and, you know, i always think back to, also, the first gold medalist, the very i guess the second night for me was the fourby100 free relay and being able to swim with two rookies. Ill never forget this moment forever. Were on the podium listening right before the National Anthem starts and the two rookies are in the middle and they didnt really know what to do. So i said to them, guys, i was, like, youre allowed to smile, youre allowed to sing and if you want to cry, just cry. I would say halfway into the song, i hear just somebody crying out of the side of my ear and i look over and ryan literally let everything go. And i think that was such a cool moment for me because, you know, to be able to represent your country at that level is the greatest thing in the world. You know, for me, thats one of the biggest things that i will mess, retiring from the sport, being able to wear the stars and stripes and represent your country like that has been the greatest part of my career and these guys are taking over and its such an honor to see. Rose you have said before you are retiring. Ill say it again and i mean it this time. laughter i have a beautiful baby boy and a family were starting with nicole and boomer and im ready and i think this time im actually ready. I think in 12 i kind of forced it. Before, i was able to finish any career the way i wanted to. Rose by winning the 200meter butterfly. Oh, my gosh, when i saw chad shadow boxing in the ready room laughter i was kind of, like, what the hells going on . But i wanted that race really bad after he beat me in 12, and being able to come back and take that race and win a couple of more i dont know if ill ever wrap my head around 28 olympic medals, 23 gold. I just started wrapping my head around eight from beijing. This started with the dream of winning one olympic medal. I had the first one in 2004. Ill never forget that one. But being able to have this was almost doesnt seem real. It isnt. Thats why hes the best ever. Im telling you. Its crazy. Rose talk about two things, one i mean, he talked about pride in america, but the idea of pride is a positive quality, a sense that im doing this for something beyond myself. Right. What we try to do at the olympic team is, you know, each of these guys are knicks, lakers, cavs, and theyre proud to be that. Who are the proudest americans . To mist our military because they not only protect and serve us, they put their lives on the line. So we incorporate that. Its important for each of our guys to hear and see, but the most important thing is for them to feel, and if you feel, then you get it in here and then you own it. And, so, we do Wounded Warriors come and visit with them, well go to arlington cemetery. As chair of the joint chiefs, a good friend, he spoke, and we actually joined with the m. B. A. To help a group called taps, tragedy assistance protection for survivors, its not funded by the government, but families whove lost a brother,tister, mother, father, and in each of the cities we played exhibitions, when we did a National Anthem, a taps kid was with us. In chicago, we had a ceremony in practice privately where about 70 of them were there, and a number of them lined up at half court, and then our whole team and Coaching Staff did, and they have buttons with the picture of the person who was killed, and they gave us their buttons. Rose both of you have experienced failure in terms of you having injure and your back and going through a very rough patch. The same thing for you. Tell me about that. What are the lessons to be learned from that struggle . And the sense of recognizing that you are not all powerful . For me to become the person who i am today, i found myself in the darkest possible place that any human being could go, and that was the worst three or four days of my life. Sort of not really wanting to be here anymore, thats where i really got to. For me to get to that point, its like a downward spiral staircase, express elevator investigate down. And i put myself on that. For me, being there and being able to come out how i did, learning a lot about myself,f, learning a lot about how i work and, you know, for me, there were so many things that i didnt want to let out and, you know, when i went through my struggles, i literally came and i said, you know what, everyones going to see the real Michael Phelps, and that was the coolest thing for me to be myself and not worry about it if im going to get judged this, that or the other. Just be who i am. It was the hardest thing in my life. Honestly, ive had ups and downs throughout my whole entire career, and if you asked me today would i change it, i wouldnt. Rose you learned from it. One thing, thankfully, nobody got hurt in any situation, but im able to be the person i am today and, for that, i have better relationships. I have better friendships. Everything is honestly, its ten times better. Im happy almost every day, and its just great, you know, being able to, you know fork, for me g able to see my baby boy every morning is amazing and just being able to travel and just enjoy myself, life today is how i wish life was for my whole life. Rose mike . Yeah, well, i think we all have times where youre down, whether it be physically, emotionally, mentally, and, you know, i go back to being a cadet at west point, and a number of things i learned but the two most important things i learned was failure was never a destination and that youre never going to do it alone. I think the biggest thing is i know if im prepared, nothing else matters. If ive done the work, i mow whatever happens is rose 100 of the time are you prepared . No. Rose and if youre not prepared, why not . Lets say it this way, ill put it to you this way, in 2008 i was probably not working at 100 . I probably had won those eight gold medals on about 80 . I broke my wrist six months before olympic trials. So i was literally in a cast two days after i broke it and we had to try to figure out how i was able to get pressure back on this hand. Rose yeah. And that was right before trials, so i had to do it again at the olympics. So, i mean, i think this time, in 2016, was probably the first time where ive gone into an olympics completely giving 100 , being at every work out, sleeping the right amount, doing the right things away from the pool. Like a couple of coaches say, nothing good happens after midnight. Im in bed before midnight. All of those things i did before going into this olympics because i knew i had to do it the exact way. So i think thats if you have, you know, obviously and i think coach, too, if you have the combination of mental, physical, emotional toughness, if you have every one of those, thats what makes you great. 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