Rose an hour of music when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is Charlie Rose Rose jon bon jovi is here. This year marks the 33rd anniversary of bon jovi. The group has sold more than get this 130 million records. It has played more than 200,000 shows across the globe. His jbjs this Soul Foundation is celebrating its tenth anniversary. It aims to break the cycle of poverty and homelessness around the country and they are, in fact, doing something about it. And i am pleased to have jon bon jovi back at this table. Welcome. Thank you, charlie. Its good to be back. Rose 33 years. I know. Rose 33 i know. Ive earned the gray hair. It comes with the turf, but im happy to say 33 years, yeah, yeah. It who is the secret, the magic potient to staying power, to being as good today . Well, i think that theres no magic potient. Hard work always. Always comes first. Being true to who you are think is very important so an audience who grows up with you can remain with you. And then those who have gotten off the train because life happens, a next generation can come on with certification of those who came before them. Rose yeah. Well get to more of of the album in just a moment. But you have to change you have to remain true to who you are. But you also have to change. Within the parameters of who you are. Why i use that word truth and why integrity means so much to me is ive been around long enough that fads and fashions have come and gone. Three iterations of boy band generations have come and gone. Rap music has come and gone. Grunge music has come and gone. And what i never did was jumped on those band wagons when they were becoming increasingly more popular. So as i grew and grew up, i would not try to rewrite you give love a bad name or living on a prayer again. I was 25 years old. At 54 you have Something Else to say. Or im going to come to you and b. S. You. Rose but at the same time you hate to play it when youre on tour . No, no, no, not that i hate to play it. I do know all the word no, no, no. I dont hate it. Rose because i hated to hear, that in fact, because it is its taken just a little bit out of context, but the truth is every artist is proud of his new record. Rose yes, of course,. And youre very anxious to play the new ones. And hence thats why i did the four theater shows. All the new record, only the new stuff, and it was received well. I have been blessed having written or cowritten a number of big hits. And, yes, living on a prayer is that song. I got it. I know the words. Rose yes, i know. But sometimes i look at a stage and ill see people looking down at the prompter. Yes. Rose for the words. Surely. Theyre there for me as well. Not because i dont know the words to them. Rose for protection. Yes. Because my mind in a perfect show, the last thing im ever doing is thinking about whats going on. Im on another plane. Rose where are you . I am thinking about having a drink with you somewhere in the bar after. Because in truth, im having such a great time, that i am not in and of the minutia. If i hear a note go wrong, thats when i come back to earth. Otherwise, i become that that thing that takes me and thats the performance. Oh, yeah. Its fantastic. Its a spiritual you and are one with the audience at that point. Most definitely. But on another plane. Its not about worrying about the minutia. Its about taking in this energy together. Rose why isnt your band in the rock n roll hall of fame . You know, charlie, the truth is. We have met all the prerequisites and if you really want to be brutally honest, some of us have friends in the business, and some of us have friends that are not such good friend, and then you have other people that are envious and jealous. Ive hay couple of falling outs with a couple those people and theyre going to hold it over my head. Look, statistics people alone. The music has spoken to generations, but i wont get in while these guys are there, and its okay. Rose you can outlive them . Well, rock n roll was found on rebellion, and id rather have the integrity of knowing i went right to the guy and let him know which one of my fingers was pointing in his general direction and it was very close. Rose who are these people . Are they musicians, artists . The people in charge of voting of this secret little ballot that they have. Rose oh. Its the truth of the matter. None of our memorabilia is in there. Ive taken it all out. And i had a falling out with a couple of the people there more than one. Rose are you a songwriter who happens to perform or a performer who happens to write songs . I think that my im a very good performer. But my joy comes from song writing. Songwriting first, second performing, recording third. I do enjoy the interaction with the audience but i am not an applause junky. I know those who are. Rose you do have a sense of business. True glu really are. I mean, you think about owning an n. F. L. Team. You count among your friends some of the most successful businesspeople around. Thank you. Rose youve enjoyed their company. I do. Rose you know their language. Well, im not a 25yearold kid my point is that you have a sense that, you know, people are paying money for us to show up. And we have to show up. Well, thats most definitely the truth. But theres also that commitment to the people who work for you and their families, or the Record Company or the promoter or the fan that worked so hard to buy a ticket or your legacy. All of these things matter. You know, the cliche of 1970 and coming up the way i watched led zeppelin come up with fun from afar or fun when i was 20. But i gotta go to work you know. It just doesnt ring true anymore. Rose its hard to keep a band together. It is. Rose they develop different ideas. I mean thats its a family, and its very difficult when you have marriages and kids and life goes on. Rose but the story i hear and you would know more about this is that, you know, mick and keith are always in conflict or competition. Mmm. Rose i dont know who it is that most wants to go on tour. But they get it together. I dont and they do it. I dont have the pleasure of knowing those gentlemen. I have to tell you. I would love to sit in a room with mick jagger. Rose and what would the conversation be about . Oh, when i sit down there are so many what would you want ton . Heres the first question i want to know when in gods name are you going to quit so at least i know where the end zone is . Let me start the conversation light. Just give me a day and a date so i know where the end zone is. T how does he do . It. T . And how has he done it so long . And how has he kept it together. And god bless him for doing it. They are without question my rock n roll band idols. Yes, without question. Rose because of longevity . Longevity, the category of music. The permanentance ability. How he kept it together, how they kept it together. You know, its a band. You know, theyre not a solo artist. Theyre a band. Rose they really are. You see i straddle the line between the two. Rose with very different personalities. Most definitely. And god bless them for it because they are the rolling stones. Rose do you look at yourself in the mirror sometimes and say, you are one lucky s. O. B. Sure. Rose because you get to do something thats demanding and challenging and requires all of your body and soul and brain and heart and everything about you in order to do it. In order to keep it up. In order to go out there and have make sure that people say to you, bring it on. This is what i want. Yeah, and you have to do the same as does tom brady and your producer. Rose right. Rk and give your best everygo to single day. Rose exactly. Why i say im a lucky s. O. B. , is i got to do what i wanted to do. Rose to write music and perform. As a little boy thats all i wanted to do. By the time i was 16, 17 years old, this was it. Fortunately i was young enough and the drinking age was low enough they could do those things and i cannot have any other responsibilities. So by 20 when i got a record deal the sweat was off the brow, because there was no my folks didnt have to say, we dont want to support you. Rose you have built houses for people, you have fed people. Thats what the foundation has done. Yes. Rose and in significant numbers, too, by the way. Thank you. Rose you are a very wealthy man. Rose yes. You want to you want to buy an n. F. L. Team. Yes. Rose you have been in pursuit of buying an n. F. L. Team . Is it going to happen . How close has it come . We were on the doorstep. We had the where with all to do it. That wasnt the issue. Rose either with your own funds or i have two partners. Were talking substantial numbers here. But we we really did want very, very, very, very badly to didnt work out for me. Rose will it work out . Do you see another opportunity . Theres always going to be an opportunity. Rose and once you get on the n. F. L. s list i assume you stay on the list. Well, i dont know. Well find out. When the opportunity arises, if but you know owners, too. I money many. Rose and theyve got a vote. Most definitely. Yeah. Yes and no. Rose yes and no meaning what . They dont have a vote. The teams for sale. The owner sells it it. They dont have a vote in that. Rose they cant control it. They can approve it but its not true. Rose whoever has top dollar gets it. Then why didnt you get the bills . We didnt have a chance to bid. Iit was a sealed bid, and we wee outbid. God bless the guy who got it. Good for him. Rose what is it about football . Well, i love the game. My boys have played it their whole childhoods. I have one that plays in high school and one that plays in college. But what i found the game had given thesms commitment and dedication. What i had gotten from it was camaraderie, compounded by the fact i, i would bring something very unique to it and that was the allure for me. Those 32 men are all very men and women are all very, very smart people. But i just think i bring Something Different to it. Rose so that you would be a very good owner. Well, i dont know if i would be a very good owner but i believe in it. Rose who is the difference you think you would bring . Im in the giving away all my tricks even on your show. Because theyre all watching. But i have thaird more than enough of them that im fortunate enough to be included in a little business with the league now. At are great. Are with themi have theyre exciting. I love the game. Rose so you want to be part of the family. I would like that very much. Rose much success with this. Thank you. Rose this house is not for sale. What a fabulous photograph. Nd, the four members of the. Band. Theres a great energy, and i thank you. Rose its a pleasure to have you. Thanks, charlie. Rose gary clark jr. Is here. The grammy awardwinning blues guitarist has been dubbed the chosen one. His fans include buddy guy, Keith Richards and eric clapton, who calls clark incredibly inspiring. He goes on to say, gary does what id like to do on stage without any effort at all. His new album is called live north america 2016. Here is gary clark jr. Performing the healing right here in our studio. We stand in formation while they test and they see they compile information then try to make us believe that there is something we cant touch something well never feel yeah, yeah when i feel like its too much this music always reveals this is our healing this music is our healing we need some healing when this world upsets this music sets me free god only knows who will save who will save us now we got this music healing we got this music, yeah we got this music, yeah cant take it away no, no, no. Rose im pleased to have gary clark jr. At this table for the first time. ,. Thank you. Rose how did you know you wanted to be a musician . I saw Michael Jac Jackson on stage when i was five years old in denver. Rose you were five. I was five years old. My parents took me to the show, and it was a complete surprise. And i just fell in love with the energy. Rose and the dance and the music. Yeah, the dance and the music. And we had music growing up in the house. And i was always the kid right next to the speaker, you know. Trying to figure it out. So i just knew pretty much from day one. I remember having a little they would make you sign out sheets when you were a kid of what you were interested in. Whats your favorite color . What do you want to be when you grow up . And i would always Say Something that was somewhat safe, i guess. Like, i would want to be a lawyer or you know, because i didnt want to be hooked at as odd. Rose but you knew it was Something Else. I knew. I knew from day one i got to get up on a stage. Rose but it wasnt easy for you. I mean, you had to struggle like everybody else. Yeah. I made a choice though, you know. I didnt do the school thing, and, you know, i moved out of my parents house. Didnt have much. And i was just like, im going to survive as a musician sm of the so i played four, five, six, seven nights a week, four hours a night, playing for tips in smoky blues bars, knowing that, you know, i wanted to be alongside people that im fortunate enough to be alongside with. Rose and knowing that you were learning and all of that. I wanted that experience, and from all the experience and the lessons and the blues guys, you have to have your 10,000 hours. Rose oh, yeah. You have to put in your time and work and figure out what it means to be on stage and perform live and be a part of a of a unit, you know. Everybody can get up and play guitar solos all day long. But youre a part of something and youve got to understand how that works and understand how you know, you have to build confidence. You have to understand what works, what doesnt, and become more comfortable, you know. If i hadnt put in those hours and some of these gigs and these opportunities that still come up, i dont be if i would be able to own it, you know, and feel comfortable. But i feel like i worked, you know, for this. So. Yeah,ic it wa, i think its really important. It was a struggle. I got my lights shut off. Rose you mean in your apartment . Oh, yeah. Rose come in and say you havent paid your bill, no more water, under more lights. Youd be in the middle of recording something. Rose my question is youre more of a live guy than a studio musician. Yeah. Rose well the title of this is, gary clark jr. Live north america 2016. Live and in person. Rose thats right. Yeah some of my favorite records, james brown at the apollo. Rose oh, yeah, me, too. Marvin gay, live in london. Stevie ray vaughn you can feel the audience is what makes it great for me. Rose what. Rose you can feel the audience as much as the performer. I feel like thats really a place where for me on stage. I feel comfortable but touring is where the money is today, too. Touring is it. Touring is it. So we stay touring. Rose but thats true. It really has come to that, hasnt it . Yeah. Its an interesting record business. And thats, you know, part of why im so dependent on playing live, why ive been so focused on that. You never know. I feel like people will always want to come and see and hear live music. Rose yeah, im sure they do. How many gigs do you do a year . You know, thats a good question. I think maybe we are doing maybe not so much this year. I was getting to a point where i was, you know couldnt remember what day it was or where i was. I was like i need to go home for a second. Rose its terrible when you say, hello, sacramento, and in fact youre in san francisco. You know what, there have been a couple of times i havent said anything because i wasnt sure. Rose. Rose i think some of the best have done that. Thames we will not mention. Good night, yall. Rose just, good night, yall. Been great to be here in your lovely city. She left me like she did the night before rose where do you live . I live down in texas, outside of austin. Rose outside of austin . Yes, sir. Rose great place. It is a great place. I moved around for a little bit. I lived in new york for a couple of years and started to get cold and scared me away. Rose like today, windy. Yeah, exactly. I was out in california for a little bit. Rose but austin . Yeah, i love to be home. I love being able to see my family. Rose where do you think youre going . Where is the journey leading . Whats the next step . Is it just to get better . Is it to explore new experiences . Yeah, i mean is it to, you know, be to open peoples ears to a variety of music . Or all of the above . All of it. I think you you expressed that better than i could have. Rose maybe i should be writing songs. Maybe. There you go. laughter rose no. Certainly would be better for me to write them than to sing them, i can tell you that. Well, how about if we collaborate. Rose there you go. Ill write and you sing. There gu. Rose now whats the hat about . The hat . Ill tell you this. My dad bought me a hat a long time ago. I loved seeing Michael Jackson wearing a hat. I remember him singing whos loving you, when he was a kid in the jackson five and he had the purple hat and i i thought it was the coolest thing ever with his afro. But from that to Stevie Ray Vaughn to hendrix, john lee hooker. Its kind of like its just a thing. Rose kind of like it blongd. And i never put it on. I had one my dad bought me one and i thought it wasnt right. And i put it on one day, and it took me a while. I didnt feel comfortable. And then i just stepped out, and got a couple of compliments, oh, man, thats a good look on you. I said, you know what . I think it is. Rose then it didnt feel comfortable not to have it. Right. So i sleep in mine. Rose you dont let me remind everybody, gary clark jr. live north america 2016. Rose john mayer is here, the seventime grammy award winner has sold more than 30 million records worldwide. He has shared the stage with guitar great like b. B. King and eric clapton. Clapton calls him a master guitar player. He returns with his first album in four years. It is called the search for everything. I am pleased to have john mayer for the first time. Welcome. Thank you. Rose it was so good that you had to release it in stages. I believed in the songs that i thought they deserved to be seen without distraction, either the barrier to the entries of so many songs all at once, or other music coming in, and sort of or their being so many songs songs that arent that great. A couple of extra songs that are, and i felt like the boldest thing i could do was say, other i think i did it, and take a look at these four at a time. The response to it has not only been positive for the work but positive for the format of releasing music that way. I was not alone. Im onehalf consumer, onehalf artist. And i remember seeing some really great records from great artists come up on, you know, my spotify or apple or whatever and id go, 12 . This is deep dive. Maybe ill go for the singles right now. I wanted to put music out the way i myself would want to hear it as somebody on the other end. Rose is it hard to get acceptance for albums . I have had musicians come up to me and say, whats happened to albums is disgraceful. I think ive been known traditionally now as an artist as an album artist. Rose right. So i think i probably engendered a little more trust with my audience with making records than maybe other ayersts have. Im okay being a dinosaur in this time, being a guy who makes records. But even then, ive sort of sort of broken up the concept of a record. I want to ultimately have a record, but i think what this was, was about making it small enough for people to its an easier point of entry into it, but ultimately ends up with a record that has an arc, and we think about sequencing, and think about the power of serializing one song before the next and the next. That still matters, i feel like. May not matter now. But i think it may matter again. And what you want to do is sort of future proof it, so if and when people go back to albums, you never looked frightened. Rose the writing i assume you have some innate ability, too, beyond just learning process. Yes. Rose clearly. Did you have the same thing as a guitarist . Did you have some sense of music so you adapt to the guitar and earned the praise of people like clapton and others . Yes. My father was a piano player still has a piano where he lives. And that was my first introduction to music. Rose a piano. A piano. Its an interval instrument. Its a calculator. It looks to me a little bit it is a key board. Its an abacus. It is where i would show someone how music works. I wouldnt show them on a guitar. Rose you would show them on a piano, not a guitar, how music works. Its a graphical representation of how good of a piano player are you . Im really good in the key of c. The guitar is instantly transposable. The guitar has this transposable geometry. Learn a scale here, you just move it up and the key moves. A piano becomes relative to the sharps and flats. The best thing i can do is use a digital piano and transpose it up and play it in a different key but im still in c. So i grew up very quickly going, okay this goes boomboomboom. And this goes bingbingbing. And then you start to subdivide it. Its a calculator dumdumdum thats a triad. Rose its all selflearned . For the most part. Yes. Selflearned from when i was younger sitting at a piano and working that out and a little bit of guitar lessons when i was a kid. My guitar teacher stopped teaching me how to read music. Rose because . Because i took off on this other thing. He would do 15 minutes of book stuff and 15 minutes of like, you bring a song in, and hell teach you how to play the song. I would bring these blues songs in and he would teach me how to do and, and i would go, i got it. The curriculum gathered quickly on the blues things but we werent doing the blues stuff. But my parents i i think they were on to it. And if i remember correctly they said, play this, and they put the book in front of me where did you think you were going. Stevie ray vaughn, jimi hendrix, eric clapton, i was going to do that. That was my calling and still is. When i was 13 years old i went, got it. Of i remember the first night i had a guitar, and it was bifer had lessons, which i now tell parents who say, what do i do . I want to give my kid lessons . I say give them the guitar first. Let them discover their own nebulous take on it and fold in the actual theory. Thats what i was able to do. I found the most distant room from my parents and play in the middle night of the. And i immediately figured out chords. And ill never forget look at this is not revisionist history eye looked at it and i went, okay. And that okay was so vertical it went through everything in my life. And i went, this is what i am. Rose. Rose i want to talk about two things you went through, one is the obvious, the four years. But secondly, touring with whats left of the dead. What did you learn from that . I mean, somebody a group that is so part of the American Culture for certain people . Yeah, for a lot of people, and i think theyre a lot more accessible than their fans would like like, theyre a lot more accessible, but people like the barrier to entry. I get it now. Because its if its presented to you in the right sequence of songs, its i mean, its phenomenal stuff. I seeto see this sort of fraternal, loving thing that feeds a bit off people not understanding it. Rose when you left for four years to montana, where were you going and what was the point . Its a bit of a reductionist thing. Its not your fault for sort of putting it in those words. Rose you put it in the right words for me. You help me. So 20 terng i go, oh, im at the end of this idea. The topstar, flatironed hair, Leather Jacket thing. This isnt working. I dont have a dream not working or youre tired of it . Nobody dreams past their third record. I mean, when youre a kid in high school, youre not dreaming about your fourth record, and youre not quite sure how to say, i dont have a plan for this. And youre not quite sure how to ask anybody and youre not sure how to say you want to take a break. People say hes a mastermind. He knows what hes doing. I would call now in a tidy fashion i came to the end of an old idea. Rose and didnt know where to go . Didnt know where to go. So you didnt to go where you were going . I just didnt know where to go next. I like organization. And you can have organization on your first record. You can you can state your case, and the world can understand it. But you start throwing other things do it, personal life, the misrepresentation of who you are as a person. Whereas if youre a smart person, you look at the misrepresentation of who you are as your job to sort out. And i wish i had known that it wasnt, but you want to get engaged. Im a people pleaser. If you told me that one of the people on my way in here didnt like me, i would get up from this table right now and start shouting who it was. Its a little like people who walk boa room and know the one person who doesnt approve of them or like them. They can see the 99 people who love them. They dont go to them. They go to the one person. We want to make it okay. Theres no possible way because we mean well. Rose right. There is nothing more dangerous than being a person who means well. Rose help me understand this. Sure, sure. Rose the time you took a break well, i didnt take a break. Rose what did you do, then . 2010 i come off the road. I say i want to make a completely different record. I make born and raised. Im living in dismawrks i was completely left alone and it was really great. I did not move to montana until 2011. I made bosh and raised in new york and l. A. And then i had a vocal condition that prohibit me from singing on tour. And then i made another record out there. I said, i want to make records. Thats what i do. Guys like stephen king can write a short one or a big one. I mentioned it before, but George Clooney is who everybody should aspire to be in their career, which is make a big one, make a black and white one. And i was like this should be a black and white one. And it gets flattened and reduced so people whats wrong with what is the picture people have drawn thats not true . Rose of me. Thats a huge responsibility to be honest about because there are things in there that i dont deserve to say should be. That i moved to montana and wrote country songs. Although, thats not that far manizer bothers me. Womanizer. Thats always bothered me. And i think if you really look into all of the times where i sort of went it all sort of went dim for me and my mouth kept going and my brain wasnt there, i think its i didnt see, ive been me my whole life. Ive watched me. You make these decisions in life. You do the right thing. You give yourself a pat on the back. You get the sense throughout your life, if you do the right thing, you are going to be known as a person who does the right thing. But theres nothing like the hollywood machine getting your information wrong. And i give a lot of information. Right . Id be much better off if i had short answers. Its less t. N. T. To wire up. When they inevitably get it wrong, because im putting out so much information, this idea of womanizer comes in. And sosay im brisling at it is an understatement. It is a complete distortion of who i am and breeds this idea, well, if youve got this so wrong, then im going to be as wrong as you think i am. I dont know where that came from. Does that make sense . Rose if you say im this im going to be theret . If you say im, this im going to subvert this . If you same im there, im going to parody this. Does that make sense . Rose, of course, it does. You are influenced by what people say about you and youre going to do a parody or in some way go to some extreme of what youre saying just to say and i think the intent is to make people g, hes not that. Hes playing off of that. But thats asking a lot of peoples Attention Span to notice and that and possibly intelligence to notice that. If you have paparazzi on the way to a restaurant, and youre sitting with someone who is not entirely indoctrinated into this world. They say, you should take a picture of them. Why dont guoutside and take a picture of them . Its everybodys first idea when they feel a little bit captured by something is to fight back. And part of the fighting back is intellectual, this requested of you cant contain me. Im going to overintellectualize what youre doing. Were talking about hyperextending myself way beyond what should be taking place because all i want to do is get back to where its clean heres who i am. Heres what i do. I promise you im this. I promise you im not that. I mean well. And you can get lost in that. Rose and the reason they wanted to characterize you that way, as a womanizer, whatever it was, is because there was a period of time when i was sort of moving i couldnt its hard to explain. Its hard to explain. Im still unpacking it in my own life. Its just a situation where you fall into i dated a lot ofig names. Thats the ultimate. Rose youre right, that is the ultimate. I dated a lot of big names. And i think people get the size of the name mixed up with the number of people that ive been with. Rose so if you date a few big names it seems like youre out there with a lot of women. I think so. And i cant blame anybody for thinking that. It took me a long time to realize people do not Google Search me. People do not think about me all day. People take a glance at you, and thats the takeaway. Rose theyre not going to say, lets see what john did today. Theyre not completists. They see the spikes. And because the music i was making did not entitle me, rightfully, did not entitle me to the kind of press that i was generating or being involved in it was about your personal life. Bigger Google Searches. So i start going, im not that. Im not that. Im not that. There was a correction that needed to happen for me. There was a market correction. But i think that sent me into a tailspin and hurt me and i never said hurt me because i wouldnt admit to it. The best thing i can do now is say, ouch. The best thing say smart person who tries to mastermind his way out of everything is say, ouch. Because ouch will lead you to the truth. Rose and ouch is better than it hurts me . Its the same thing. Ouch. This hurts. I hate this. This makes me feel bad. I wouldnt admit to it so i would become more militaristic about it a little like dont let them see you sweat. Of the. Yeah, whenever you yell the loudest is when youre about to cry. A person yells the loudest and say they can take anything is the second before theyre about to crumble. And thats where i was was, you cant get me. And it was like, no, they really canment. Rose how long ago was that . Seven years ago. Rose and today past all of that stuff . Past all of it, and understanding, again, people are not john mayer completists. It may take a second to reviewue may have to go over it again with people. Does that make sense . Rose is some of that in this album . Not really. It was in born and raised a lot. That was a wounded sort of thing. But i got a lot of music out of going deep into myself. This is a different dive. This is a dive into being a certain age and i think theres a loss in relationship theres always one relationship loss i feel like that takes you with it. You know what i mean . Its not just somebody youre not just parting ways with somebody. Theres always one that kind of takes you down. Rose you lose something. Lose something. Rose right. Yeah. And this is this idea of being as absolutely beautiful as you can be. Like, look, let whoever the sort of intelligentia rock outlets and journalists say that its light or its bland. Im going to be as beautiful as i can be about being sad. You know, thats kind of what this was. Listening back to the song called emoji of a wave, that is what this feels like. Which as an artist, a musician, you dont normally get all the time. You come close. You go, well get them next time. 80 of how that feels. There are songs on this record they listen to and i g, i did it. Im good enough a musician now to translate 100 how something felt, ands that is a possession as an artist that is more valuable than anything you can have. Rose and what artists can do is not only express what they felt but say it in a way so that all the fans it speaks to something they feel but cant express. If you do it right. Rose thats where the connection comes. Thats when people say, i i feel like im looking into a mirror. Or, i feel like you said something i was going through at that exact time in my life. Rose i hope you come back. Its been a great pleasure. Would love to. Rose Chris Stapleton is here, the grammy awardwinning singer songwriter has been called countrys reigning outlaw. It is called from a room volume 1. Rolling stone calls the album its been so long since i felt anything you dont feel it all i used to cry and stay up nights and wonder what went wrong its been hard but hearts can only do that for so long we cant just go on like this say the word well call it quits baby, you cant go you cant stay but i wont love you either way we cant just go on like this say the word, well call it quits baby, you can go or you can stay but i wont love you either way. Rose i am pleased to have Chris Stapleton at this table for the very first time. Welcome. Thank you. Rose countrys reigning outlaw. What do you think they mean when they say, countrys reigning outlaw . I think its just a reference to music because im not much ofap outlaw. Rose what about the music . Thats what i really mean. I dont know. Im always have in my mind wayland and willy and Merle Haggard and its a lot of my favorite things. There were a lot of things that i think musically they were doing right and not that theres a right and wrong, but things they prefer. Rose okay, but what were they doing . I dont know. Just being themselves. Thats yeah. And doing what feels good to them, versus trying to be what somebody else was doing. Rose when did the music thing happen for you . Well, i always kind of played music and sang in church with my brother and my dad liked to play the radio a lot. My mom would sing around the house. But i dont know. I played guitar and sang. I dont know. It was kind of always there. Nobody i dont necessarily come from a musical family, like, its not like we were a touring right, right. Nobody went out and played. Rose you werent singing in the choir. No, not really. But i dont know. At some point, i kind of fell into it maybe for a lack of wanting to do anything else. So. It found me, i guess. Rose but was it to sing or was it to write . To write initially, you know, when i really got serious about it. And i found out that you could have a job, that someone would pay you money to sit in a room and write songs for other people. Rose thats the job you liked. I thought that sounded like the greatest job in the world. Rose what amazes me is they all say you have the greatest voice around today. Its not even about the song writing skills. Its about the voice. I dont know about that. There are a lot of great singers and a lot of great voices but, you know, hopefully i have something that is recognizable and possibly, you know, will hold up over time. Rose well, two million albums will Say Something, wouldnt it . It says we sold two million albums. Rose two Million People willing to pay to hear you sing. Absolutely. Rose when youre sitting in nashville and sitting in a room writing songs, tell me about that process. It can be different on any given day. If its just me alone, im sitting with a guitar and strumming and humming something and seeing where that leads. And thats pretty much the process. Or i could hear ray conversation out Walking Around somewhere a title or a line. A title or something somebody says may stick in my brain. Or sometimes it just falls out of the sky into your lab. Rose i know how you feel about this im not trying to push you there, too. Everybody for whatever reason, people see you as a route back to wayland and others. You know, you mentioned willy. That somehow are you today an entry back to what made them i dont know that i would be an entry back, but i certainly wouldnt mind being being viewed as a bridge, you know, somewhere in between. Rose or spoken of in the same breath. Well, im not going to put myself in any kind of a sentence with those guys. But yeah, i mean, i think its important for me, personally, to always kind of have tip of the hat to those guys. But, also, old r b singser, ray charles. I like all kinds of music, but i hope some of that shows up. Rose what happened it at the 2015 v. M. A. Awards . Well, yeah, a lot happened. Eight minutes that changed your life. Changed your life for sure. Rose did you know it at the moment . I knew that we were going to have a really fun time playing music in that eight minutes because wed spent two days rehearsing. Rose so the two of you coming together. It was a collaboration in the true sense. Hes a remarkable kind of singular talent as far as musical people go. If youre going to do something with him, its going to be something good. Rose because his talent is so special. He elvates. He can elevate things. And hes a great, positive energy and a great performer, you know. Hes not very old, but hes a veteran performer. Theres a sing that he brings to the stage that not many people can. Traveler sold how many two million . Plus. Rose originally, you were im told. This is what im told that you were prepared simply to cut the album and then go on tour to perform all the songs. That was my request of the label, and their request of me was, let us find other ways to market things, and well think about this and approach it that way. Thats what we did. We didnt have a leadup single or anything like that. We put the record out, and whatever single went to the radio was which was traveler at the time came out the same week and i booked some dates and i was going to go play. Thats the way i knew how to do it. Rose touring is something you love . I do. I enjoy well, i enjoy playing music live. Sometimes travel is a hard thing. Rose it is. But thats part of it. And we travel as comfortably as we possibly can, but i just i make the joke all the time i play the music for free. You pay me to travel. Rose thats great. Musics free. You pay for the travel. Rose your ticket bought my bus or whatever it is. Thats what youre paying me for. And i did for many years. I would go play for free, or next to nothing, just because i love it. Rose youve written more than 1,000 songs. Somewhere in that neighborhood. You know, i dont have an exact count. Rose but you keep all of them . I mean, my Publishing Company certainly keeps track of them as much as i can turn them in. But, yeah, you mean, do i have them, like if i said to you, you know i dont have them on my phone or anything, not on me. But if i wanted to hunt a specific one down, i would call the Publishing Company and go, hey, do you have a copy of this . Or id track it down. Rose anything youre not doing that youd want very much to do, in music . In music . I have been given so many opportunities in music in the last well, over my whole career, but particularly in the last two or three years, that i cant imagine that theres anything im not getting to do that i want to do. Its really amazing in that way. I tell my mom all the time, i literally have everything i ever wanted. Rose i literally have everything ive ever wanted. Yeah, as far as, you know, things that you could hope for and want out of and thats a strange feeling a little bit. Rose how old are you . Im 39. Rose and you have everything youve ever wanted. Yeah. Or ever even thought about wanting. Rose more than you ever thought about. For sure, yeah. And thats a strange feeling. But its also theres a theres a i tell people, ive got to get new goals. You know, sometimes i remember there was a time when playing the rahman auditorium was my dream. Wed get to that and play a few in succession, and youre like, man, i literally left that gig going, im going to have to get a new goal. I dont have a gig goal anymore. Rose the great thing about success, it gives you options. For sure. You have the options to do the things you want to do and hopefully, you know, you make the right choices in doing the things that you want to do. Rose and the mur know my impression is the more you know the more you can see not only options and possibilities but also you can see, you know, how much further you have to go. Yeah, i guess. Rose i dont mean in terms of talent. I mean in terms of once youre good, if youre good, you know, how good you are, but you also know how much better you can be. Im always yes, yeah i always certainly have a sense of i need to be Getting Better playing or singing or, you know, i need to be and i always want that. I always want that. That doesnt go away. Its almost like this theres a lack of if theres a lack of satisfaction, its in wanting to do something just a little bit better. You know. And thats okay. I think thats what drives people to make things or to. Hopefully, you know, work as hard as they can, you know. Rose to create. This isab amazing album. Its good to see you. Good to see you. Rose come back anymore. 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