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Paul this morning, a jobs report that blew expectations out of the water. Economist julia coronado. This was a blockbuster report. We were on a slowing hiring trend through the last few months, and we just saw not only a great month of job creation in september, but upward revisions to july and august. Paul where is most of the growth coming from . Julia one of the encouraging things about this report is that its pretty broad based. So the last couple of months there was a very large hiring dominance by health care. Now were seeing manufacturing pick back up, state and local governments hiring teachers for the school year. Retail is adding jobs ahead of the holiday season. Paul leisure and hospitality, which hemorrhaged workers during the pandemic, finally returned to precovid levels in september, adding 96,000 jobs, most of the gains in food and drinking places. And yet, persistent inflation, skyhigh interest rates, strikes by autoworkers, actors, healthcare workers. Plenty of evidence to support the idea of a twofaced economy. Julia we have the economy taking divergent paths. Paul economist julia pollak. Julia we have parts of the economy that are growing and parts that are shrinking. So in states like new jersey and california, for example, the Unemployment Rate has risen pretty substantially over the past year, while in states like maryland and massachusetts, Unemployment Rates have fallen. You see the same kind of divergence across industries. Paul economist coronado agrees. Julia theres a lot of variation in the experiences of consumers. Paul and some depends on age, says coronado. Julia if you have wealth, you are much wealthier than before the pandemic. But if youre a younger consumer, so you might have gotten strong wage gains. In fact, younger consumers did get some of the strongest wage gains, but theyre also more likely to be renters. And rents went up faster than almost any other price. Paul so, no surprise, our call to find out how people are doing showed vastly different realities for folks of different ages in different places. Two faces. For example everything has gotten so much better. Its just recently gotten back to the point of even a little better than prepandemic. Paul jeanice blancett, who lives in memphis. Shes turning 61 next week, and paul and things may be getting even better, as oil prices cratered this week. On the other hand, at the moment, in pinellas county, florida just everything is more expensive. Paul thats what carmela pollice. My electric bill is almost three times higher. My Homeowners Insurance its higher. My Flood Insurance is almost double. My utilities, such as my security system, is 25 more a month than before the pandemic. Paul now multiple polls and the Consumer Confidence index have shown that most americans have been similarly down on the economy. How come . Unemployment at historically low levels. Inflation, moderating. Economy, growing. So why are people so economically despondent . Julia things are more expensive. So it doesnt while from a Macro Economic standpoint, were seeing reassuring signs of stabilization, it still is a very different environment for consumers than it was a few years ago. Paul even though wage gains have finally caught up with, even inched ahead of inflation some months. But julia i think most people are comparing their fortunes either to the good times during the pandemic when they were getting cash from uncle sam, when they were able to pay down their Credit Card Debt and when there were all kinds of Government Services available, or theyre available. Paul another factor, economic inequality, says Rebecca Riddell of oxfam, the international antipoverty organization. Rebecca as corporate profits have hit record highs and on one side, decades of tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, the very wealthiest, have become dramatically richer. Paul by contrast . Rebecca census figures out last month tell that story. Last year, poverty jumped up as pandemic supports fell away. Child poverty increased by record amounts. Posttax income inequality rose and real wages fell. Paul so again, depending where you sit, the economy looks rocky or rosy. But after todays report, says julia julia as a macro economist, its hard to look at these numbers and see reasons for pessimism. Paul well soon see how Many Americans agree. For the pbs newshour, paul solman. Amna in the days other headlines, the United Auto Workers union held off expanding its strike against detroits big three, to additional plants. That came after General Motors made a major concession including electric vehicle battery plants under a uaw contract. Union president shawn fain spoke in a video appearance. Fain i wish i was here to announce a tentative agreement at one or more of these companies, but i do want to be really clear we are making significant progress. In just three weeks, we have moved these companies further than anyone thought was possible. Amna stellantis, ford and gm had already made concessions on wages and costofliving increases. The strike has now lasted just over three weeks. So far, workers have walked out of five Assembly Plants and 38 parts depots. House republicans face a weekend of weighing who should be the next speaker and now they have a new consideration. Former President Trump came out for ohio representative jim jordan overnight. In a social media post, mr. Trump wrote, he will be a great speaker of the house, and has my complete and total endorsement. At the white house today, President Biden was asked about jordan, who is currently leading an impeachment inquiry. Pres. Biden whomever the House Speaker is, im going to try to work with. They control half the, half of congress. And im going to try to work with them. Some people i imagine are gonna be easier to work with than others. But whomever the speaker is, ill try to work with. Amna so far, House Majority leader Steve Scalise is the only other declared contender for speaker. In syria, the death toll has risen to 89, with up to 277 wounded, after exploding drones struck a military graduation. Funeral processions began today in the central city of homs as three days of National Mourning began. Family members waited at a Military Hospital for bodies of additional victims. Search teams in the indian himalayas kept looking today for victims of catastrophic flooding that claimed at least 42 lives. It happened on wednesday when a lake in the northeastern sikkim region broke its banks and poured into the valleys below. Cliffside roads have crumbled from the resulting landslides, and entire buses are still trapped beneath several feet of mud. Survivors say they had little warning. Lepcha we just heard the loud noise of the river. The sound of the river was like a loud explosion. It felt like an earthquake, there were tremors and the ground was shaking. We all came out and there was no alarm. It just felt like a bomb blast. Amna at least 142 people are still missing in the wake of the disaster. Russian missile fire struck northeastern ukraine again today, killing a 10yearold boy and his grandmother. The attacks hit an apartment complex in kharkiv, a day after one of the deadliest incidents in months. The 52 civilians killed in thursdays assault were mourned today in the village of hroza. Theyd been attending a wake for a fallen soldier when a missile struck. And, on wall street stocks rallied after todays jobs report showed wage hikes are slowing, which could help curb inflation. The Dow Jones Industrial average gained 288 points nearly 1 percent to close at 33,407. The nasdaq rose 1. 6 percent. The s p 500 was up 1. 2 percent. Still to come on the newshour. The future of mauis fragile economy after deadly wildfires. Journalist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate maria ressa discusses the future of Artificial Intelligence. David brooks and ruth marcus weigh in on the weeks political headlines. Plus much more. This is the pbs newshour from weta studios in washington, and in the west from the Walter Cronkite school of journalism at Arizona State university. Amna the Biden Administration is taking fire for a recent move to expedite the construction of a stretch of wall along the southern border. Laura baron lopez has more. Laura President Biden says the money for a wall along a portion of the border was appropriated during the trump administration, and that his hands are tied. Pres. Biden well, i was told i had no choice. Congress passes legislation to build something, i cannot say i dont like it and we wont do it. Laura the move is sparking outcry from some immigration advocates and others who point to bidens 2020 campaign promise. Pres. Biden there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration. Laura secretary of Homeland SecurityAlejandro Mayorkas tried to clarify the administrations position yesterday. Sec. Mayorkas there is no new Administration Policy with respect to the border wall. Laura joining us to discus is Washington Post reporter nick mirrof. Thanks so much. Newshour spoke to someone from the National Border patrol council, a union that represents border agents, and we asked about the construction of this section of the wall. Its a knee jerk reaction and right now theyre doing it a little bit too late. Weve had millions of individuals that have come across. The administration has to realize, hey, look, we were wrong. Whether they want to come out and say they were wrong or not. I think them just openly saying were going to Start Building more wall, i think that alone proves that they were wrong. Laura the president said he doesnt believe a border wall works, but the data tends to suggest it doesnt necessarily serve as a deterrent, so what is the purpose of construction of even a section of wall . Nick what was significant about the federal registered notice yesterday is two things, one, they were waiving more than two dozen laws, including the endangered species act, clean water act and other environmental protections, but they refer to the barrier is an urgent necessity to stop illegal entries in that section of south texas. Weve never seen the Administration Talk about the barrier that way. If anything, what weve seen is what the president said, the idea that these very years dont work. Right there we saw a glaring contradiction in the Administration Position on these barriers. Laura im glad you mention the environmental aspect because we also spoke to the southwest conservation advocate, who was frustrated about this border barrier being constructed. Here is what they had to say. There is no environmentally friendly border wall. These walls will fragment wildlife habitat. They will stop wildlife migrations. They will cut animals off from their main source of drinking water, which, of course, is the rio grande. And there is no way to do this environmental consciously. Perhaps whats even more concerning is that the administration has waived our nations most important environmental laws, not just to build these walls, but to rush their construction. Laura were the president s hands tied as he suggested today or was it a choice as the advocate pointed out . Nick he is this money was appropriated by congress to build barriers in these areas. However, since when has the fear of a lawsuit ever stopped this administration from Going Forward with the immigration policies it wants to pursue . This administration is facing a number of lawsuits over its border and immigration policies in many different places. Really it is the decision to waive the environmental laws and other protections to expedite barrier construction that is a break from the past and has raised questions about whether or not the Biden Administration is taking a new policy approach with regard to the border wall. Laura President Biden also facing incoming from jb pritzker, a trusted ally, 2024 campaign pure he confronted the administration on this. There are other things the federal government can do other than sending us money that they have not yet done. Laura he also said the situation is untenable. You recently reported on the conditions in cities like chicago. What are the conditions for the migrants that are there, and being bused, many of them, by rid state governors . Nick the strains on cities like new york and chicago, denver and others, have become more and more apparent. Simply too many people arriving too fast. Whats different about this current wave of newcomers to the United States, many of whom are fleeing terrible conditions in their home countries, one group in particular, venezuelan migrants, are coming in large numbers to new york in particular and venezuelans coming to the United States dont tend to have the same family and friend support networks as previous waves of migrants and that makes them in some ways more dependent on City Services and particularly on shelter. In new york, the shelter laws obligate the city to make sure their our beds are beds for the newcomers. Its putting a strain on the mayor. We are seeing this in many other states and thats why many of these democratic mayors are calling on the federal government and the biden and in its ration to do more to support them and reduce the number of people, or at least the pace at which they are arriving across the border. Laura yesterday the president also resumed removal flights of venezuelan nationals who cross the border unlawfully. Why are they making this change now on how many people could be affected . Nick this is in part to address the pressure they are getting they will resume deportation flights from venezuela. The timing is curious, just two weeks after the Biden Administration designated venezuelans for a form of temporary legal status. That protection extends to nearly 500,000 venezuelans who arrived before july 31. These new deportation flights are going to be oriented toward venezuelans who cross the border illegally, starting after august 1, and who dont qualify for some kind of humanitarian protection in the United States. This is an effort by the Biden Administration to put more consequences, as they would say, into the Immigration Enforcement system, and try to steer venezuelans back to the expanded legal opportunities they have opened up for venezuelans, cubans and other nationalities over the last year or so. Laura nick, thank you. Amna today, the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to one of irans most prominent human rights activists. Nargis mohammedi is in detention in irans notorious evin prison, for spreading antistate propaganda. But as Nick Schifrin reports, iranian efforts to silence her, have only made her voice louder. Nick the young iranians who have protested their governments stand on the shoulders of 51yearold narges mohammedi. She protested when few were willing, created civil rights organizations when few existed, hoping one day to create a democratic iran, as she said on her 50th birthday april before returning to prison. I think my fellow countrymen and women are more willing than ever to create democracy. Nick from prison, she supported last years protests, whose slogan was woman, life, freedom she criticized the government over the incident. A 16yearold girl dragged off a subway train unconscious. Women, life, freedom. Nick today, the nobel panel said she exemplified freedom. Wishes to honor her courageous fight for human rights, freedom and democracy in iran. Nick mohammedis activism has come at enormous personal cost. Her twins are now 16 and she hasnt held them in more than seven years. She hasnt seen her husband in person for more than a decade. Today from his home in paris, he said attention makes his wife more determined. This Nobel Peace Prize will open a door for her motivation in fighting for human rights. It will make her fearless. This prize actually belongs to the people of iran. Nick in total shes been arrested 13 times and sentenced to 31 years, but this year, mohammedi told the New York Times, risen walls might keep me confined but i look above the walls to the future. In a statement from prison, mohammedtoday said, i will continue to fight against the relentless discrimination, tyranny, and genderbased opeson by the oppressive religious government until the beration of all women. Joining me now from new york is summer lopez, the chief Program Officer of pen america, which fights to protect free expression, and is part of the free narges campaign. Thank you and welcome to the newshour. How important is this prize for mohammedi and her family . Summer thank you for having me. It is tremendously important. We know these forms of recognition can give energy to people who are being held in prison and struggling against repression. We know it can inspire them to keep going and remind them the world is with them, that government attempt to silence them and keep them in dark corners are unsuccessful. Nick she has been advocating for the ongoing protests in iran. What does this prize mean for the people still fighting for the cause she has been fighting for for decades and some new people continue to fight for . Summer i think shes always very clear its not just about her, its about the women and people of iran fighting for freedom and democracy. And for the movement of women, life, freedom weve seen in recent years. I think the big street protests may have and, but have ebbed, but there have been quiet protests from women, particularly young women, and narges has organized movements from inside prison. It represents think the courage of all the women in iran who continue to fight and i believe will continue to do so in the ways that remain available to them. Nick they continue to fight despite a real, unprecedented crackdown from the government. Summer exactly and i think thats part of why the mass protest have decreased to some extent, there were enormous numbers of arrests, including preemptive arrests just before the anniversary of mahsa aminis death. We know the regime feels threatened by these movements. They are doing everything they can to crack down on them but i think that resistance isnt going away. Nick it continues this week, as we reported there was an incident on a subway train where a 16yearold girl you can see this was dragged out of the train in a coma. Activists believe that is how she ended up because she was not wearing a hijab. What has been the response to that incident . Summer i think you are right, this appears to be another case not unlike mahsa amini, assault of a young woman for not wearing hijab. Weve seen similar tactics used by the regime as we have seen in others, intimidation of her family, forcing them to perhaps make statements in support of the regime under duress, targeting journalists trying to cover the story and significant Security Control around the hospital. Narges herself released a statement expressing her core over the attack and calling on people to not remain silent. Nick how does mohammedi communicate with the outside world even though shes in prison, and how can she stay, in your opinion, effective despite the ongoing detention . Summer there are always ways these voices can be gotten out and thats part of what we at penn america fight to speak to as well. Prison bars cannot silence voices. Shes been an activist even inside prison, she has documented violence and abuse against women in prison and done every thing she can to represent until the story of what is happening inside irans prisons and speak to the broader human rights situation. Nick summer lopez, thank you. Summer thank you. Amna this weekend, tourists will be allowed back into certain areas of maui, not far from the site of the deadliest u. S. Wildfires in more than a century. As William Brangham reports, the reopening plan has sparked an uproar among some members of a community thats still grieving, but also weighing its long term revival and survival. William for the past two months, alana koa has tried to put on a brave face for her threeyearold daughter. Alana when we drive through lahaina, she sees all the homes and shes confused. Shes like, where are we . William she doesnt even recognize it . Alana she doesnt recognize it at all. A couple days after the fire, it was, you know, shes like, oh, i want my blanket. She has this blanket. I tried to explain like, you know, honey, like, what fire does . It burns things. Yeah, the blankets gone, our house is gone. William koas house was one of more than 2,000 buildings destroyed by the lahaina fires back in august. The blaze consumed old yearbooks, polaroids, even her fathers ashes. He died less than two years ago. All koa has seen of the scorched property is on video she cant bear to go in person. So like thousands of others, she is now living in a hotel, trying to wade through a web of disaster assistance, and unsure of what comes next. Alana sometimes you cant really take a moment to cry or, you know, sit and think, because if you just sit too long, cry too long, you know, things are gone. William you hear stories like this across west maui right now people who are still dealing with the tragedy of losing their entire community to this inferno, while also trying to figure out what is their long term housing situation going to be . How are they going to make ends meet in a state that already had the highest cost of living of anywhere in the nation . Last week, hundreds of people, including many native hawaiians, vented their frustrations at a Maui County Council meeting. They expressed fears of going back to the old status quo, where they say tourism dominates the economy, often at their expense. If youre still talking tourism, if youre still talking building more you need to either pivot and align the local community or go back where you came from. William earlier this week, activists delivered a petition with more than 14,000 signatures to democratic governor josh green, urging him to delay his plan to reopen parts of west maui to tourists this sunday. Alana this is supposed to be a time of grieving, healing, trying to rebuild our lives. And now we have to put on a face and give them the maui no kaoi, like aloha spirit, like we have no aloha to give you. William before the fires, spending by visitors made up almost 40 of mauis gdp. After the fires, when tourists stayed away, the county started losing 13 Million Dollars a day. Now, economists predict the Unemployment Rate, which was just 2. 6 in july, will skyrocket to 11 in the next three months. Richard bissen is the mayor of maui county. Richard i think for us to be informed on how to, how to do this buildback so that we can keep the people here, whether its the cost of housing or getting jobs. Our goal is to restore our community the way they want it to be restored. William following the governors tourism announcement, bissen introduced a phased approach. Tourists can stay in areas farther north of lahaina, but eventually could move closer to the places where most displaced residents are currently staying. Richard that messages to our community that we acknowledge their loss. We acknowledge theyre grieving and mourning. We also acknowledge the Business Community wanting to restore jobs, which is very important. We can do both, though. William Anthony Garcia helps run more than a dozen food trucks and restaurants across the island, including multiple in and around lahainas burn zone. He says business is down 70 percent and theyve had to cut worker hours. Anthony a lot of these guys, theyve been with us for years and i have to go, i know you depend on us, but this is a lie can give. If tourism doesnt come back, i dont know what were going to do. I really dont want to think of that. I get the fact that we need time to heal. But if we take too much time, we might cut our own leg off. William but in west maui, housing is a bigger concern. Officials have tried to assure residents they wont be kicked out of hotels to make room for incoming tourists but many are still uneasy. Before the fires, Adriana Cardenas was a housekeeper in one of those hotels. Now she is living in one. Adriana i feel like i am living in two different worlds. For those of us who work at the hotel, we are used to this place and used to tourists. But now that i am living here, i think to myself, how is this possible . William cardenas, who immigrated from mexico almost thirty years ago, received some money from the red cross, but now has no other income. Adriana yes, we need the work. But first we need a home, because there are so many People Living in hotels. We have nowhere to live, and we have no idea where were going to go. William does this experience make you think ever that maybe i have to leave hawaii . Adriana no. I have been here 28 years. William this is home. Adriana yes. William even before the flames consumed lahaina, the median price of a Single Family home on maui hovered above a Million Dollars that is well over double the national figure. There is also lack of supply. Over the past five years, so few new homes were built that maui county saw a net housing loss. And advocates say the problem was exacerbated by outoftown Property Owners converting lots of onceaffordable housing into shortterm vacation rentals, which further squeezed local residents. Tomorrow Tamara Paltin represents west maui on the county council. Between damaging fires and floods back in 2018, the pandemic, which ground the hawaii and economy to a halt, and now the latest fires, she hears a clear wake up call. Tamara i think part of the solution is to adapt tourism into a way where it is extra and not the staple. With people out of jobs from the hotel industry, there are so many vacancies in the fields that we need to have a functioning society. Law enforcement, health care, teachers. Can we put people to work serving our community instead of serving the guests first . William lisa paulson leads the maui hotel and lodging association. While she agrees mauis economy needs to diversify, she says tourism can also play a key role in recovery. Lisa lets continue to have our economic engine humming, keep people employed. But then that also puts money into the state and the county budgets that we can use alternatively for building what we want lahaina to look like. William paulson acknowledges that a wave of celebratory tourists could be disruptive to locals who are still in mourning, but she believes visitors will be respectful. And, she says, initial bookings for after october 8 are low. Lisa a lot of people do want to see us closed down for six, nine months, even a year, to allow for the healing, but not really fully understanding how it will further devastate us with people not having employment. We need to make sure that conversation is at the top of mind, you know, as long as the healing and the grieving process. William for locals like alana koa, the heaviness of that grief comes with a longterm goal to rebuild and stay in lahaina. Alana i want to stay here. Lahainas my home. [crying] it was my home before it was my home. It was home to my dad, to many generations before me. And this is where i want to raise my daughter. We need to fight to stay here. We need everyone to get back to their homes. William for the pbs newshour, i am William Brangham on maui, hawaii. Amna veteran journalist and past Nobel Peace Prize winner, maria ressa has a dire warning about the defense of truth in the digital age. She says we risk losing the information war to adversarial Artificial Intelligence and to authoritarian governments who can weaponize the tech. And shes experienced it firsthand. In 2021, she won the nobel prize for fighting to protect freedom of expression in the philippines, under attack by the regime of thenpresident rodrigo duterte. Geoff bennett spoke with ressa this week at the inaugural summit of the newly launched institute of Global Politics at columbia university. Geoff thank you so much for speaking with us. Youve said the world faces a tech enabled armageddon, turbocharged by Artificial Intelligence. Invoking armageddon, the final battle between good and evil, right strike some people as an overreach. It might strike some people as being hyperbolic. Why in your view is that an accurate characterization . Maria i lived through this i never thought i would get 10 arrest warrants in a little over a year. I never thought i would have to go to jail, i never thought we would tear apart our shared reality and that lies could spread faster than facts. Lies spread six time festers and that has turned everything upside down. Tech enabled armageddon and the organization i lead in the philippines, weve been fighting for our survival since 2016. The fact that we are still here kind of shows you that doing the right thing is the right thing. But it is going to get worse. The first time you had humanity First Contact with ai is Machine Learning, where everything you post on social media this is social media, right everything is pulled together by Machine Learning and that seems to build a model of you that knows you better than you know yourself. Replace the world model with clone. We are cloned. Ai takes all of our clones, puts it together in a mother load database and that is used to microtarget. Thats not the same as media advertising. Media advertising you see the same things. Microtargeting sells your weakest moment to a message to someone who will pay for it, it could be a company or government. That nudges you. When it becomes relentless, it becomes information operations. Those vulnerabilities in the tech platforms have been exploited by geopolitical power. America in 2016. 126 million americans were impacted by russian information warfare. I lived through this in the philippines in 2016. I met a narrative of journalist equals criminal, it was seeded by forces from the president. For some people it became a fact i was a criminal. A year later, president duterte says in a state of the nation address, and here i am tweeting, that is wrong. Geoff there was an asymmetry between your tweets and the torrent of disinformation about you and your work . Maria i think you need to put that together with information warfare. I became a journalist because information is power. Now the very structure of our information ecosystem is corrupted from the top. When a lie spreads faster than fact. When you say a lie a million times and it becomes a fact, people cannot tell fact from fiction. Thats what weve seen around the world. It has weakened democracy around the world. Look at the decline of democracy. Last year, 60 of the world was under authoritarian rule. This january, it went up to 72 . When we look at the elections coming up, if you dont have integrity of facts, you can have integrity of elections. Geoff there are u. S. Officials, tech leaders who have said the future of this country looks fairly bleak if china finds a way to develop Ai Technology faster than we do. How do we on the one hand continue to innovate, but on the other hand, implement solutions that dont struggle the innovation we are trying to unleash . Maria ironically, china, which is far from democratic, has put guardrails in place. Geoff really . Maria yes, on their large linkage models. While america says that, remember these companies are driven by profit. Surveillance capitalism was the First Contact with ai, Large Language Models will have the ability to mimic you. It mimics humanity. When that happens, it doesnt tell you it lies. It looks for patterns. It doesnt necessarily find meaning. Thats what weve lost. If you look at the two ways ai has touched us, the first time, it exploited our fear, anger and hate. This second time with Large Language Models, chatgpt, bard, all the different ones rolling out, it looks set to weaponize our loneliness. More the question you should ask is why did china put guardrails in place and why did in america . Geoff why didnt we . Maria it isnt an gimmick about innovation an argument about innovation. It isnt a we should try the vaccine on people. It was tested. The cell phone in your pocket, a toaster has more safety regulations to fulfill before it gets inside your home, and this you carry with you all the time collecting data about what you do. Large language models, are you going to allow the llm to scoop up all of your content . These are all questions we have and yet it has been rolled out to the public. Its like rolling out covid vaccines without testing. Geoff maria, thank you for your time and insight. Maria thank you. Amna it was a historic week in washington that is reshaping the Republican Party. To discuss the fallout of speaker Kevin Mccarthys ouster, we turn to the analysis of brooks and marcus. Thats New York Times columnist david brooks and ruth marcus, associate editor for the Washington Post. Jonathan capehart is away. Welcome to you both. Good to see you. I say the word unprecedented so much i feel it is losing some power. This week was unprecedented, to see the ousting of the sitting House Speaker, Kevin Mccarthy. David, lets start with that and how you are reflecting on what unfolded this week. David there was a president , the fall of the roman empire. [laughter] august the im joking, but in some sense donald trump introduced a note of narcissism into the american body politic and its been interesting to watch it spread in his party. I would say Vivek Ramaswamy falls into that camp and certainly matt gaetz good this wasnt about substantive things, it was pure nihilism. You have a group of people for whom this is nihilistic fun, but you see how it spreads. In the middle of this there was a meeting with the moderate problemsolving caucus. They were meeting with the democrats. Nancy pelosi told john boehner she would stand behind him. There were so much distrust even among the moderates they couldnt come close to a deal to save mccarthy. Its fascinating, morbidly, to watch an institution be torn apart by show business, distrust and hucksterism. Ruth you use the word unprecedented, i will give you two more cataclysmic and alarming. Last week david when you were sitting here, you said it is hard to see a way out. Last week looks like unicorns and butterflies compared to where we are this week. It is truly hard to see a way out and a truly scary circumstance. We dont have a speaker of the house and that is not just a ministerial function. It means one house of congress literally cannot function. We dont really know if it can function or not. We do not know that there is a prospect of filling the speakership. Maybe the republicans will magically get their act together, unicorns and butterflies, but i talked to people today who were imagining a world in which we lived through november on this. The word i heard most talking to folks today was chaos. The underlying issues, the things that brought us to the brink of a shutdown, still remain. Challenges on funding and aid to ukraine and most fundamentally, the kind of absolute distrust, and your fantastic word, nihilism, that we are experiencing. Those persist, and all of the imperatives are to keep that going. Amna before we look at where we could go next i want to talk about we got here. I want you to travel back into ancient political history, to 2010, when three young republicans presented themselves as the new generation of conservative leaders, the socalled young guns paired look at how they young guns. Look at how they rolled out. A new generation of conservative leaders. Amna Kevin Mccarthy, paul ryan. How did we get from that to this . David those were innocent days when we were young and naive. They were sort of the next generation of reaganism. Paul ryan was a serious policy guy, eric cantor was a pretty serious policy guy and Kevin Mccarthy more of a politician. But they never updated their philosophies from the 1980s. Even though in 2010 never caught up to where the Republican Party was headed. Eric cantor, a representative from virginia, he was shockingly ousted even though he was in leadership, that was one of the first early signs the party was shifting. Paul ryan did not get the news and even when he was speaker, he could not survive. Im reminded a republican senator told me about six months ago he would go to rallies and look at the crowd and said i dont know any of those people. A new constituency had come in and they wanted a complete lead Different Party and they didnt adjust. Amna lets look at the three individuals that are the likely new speakers of the house, two of whom who have declared candace easy, Steve Scalise and candidacy, candodacy, Steve Scalise and jim jordan. Ruth under the current rules, this enormous selfinflicted rules, they could be changed, but under the current rules you need to get to 218 under the existing situation with democrats with only republican votes. You have this rump group and constant threat of the motion to vacate on the whim of one or half a dozen people. That means the party that was once the party of orderly succession, and you pay your dues and go up in the hierarchy, is just the party of chaos. If you think about the number of republican speakers we have shuttled through the system, it is scary. Then there is this element of chaos that was introduced today with the helpful not introduction of the former president of the United States on behalf of jim jordan. Amna does that make a difference . Ruth yes, but im not sure which way. Imagine you are one of the republicans in one of the 18 districts joe biden won, what do you do . Does this make it or likely for you to vote for jim jordan or doesnt mean you cant do that because your constituents are saying you are doing the former guys bidding. Hes injected what he wants to do into this in a way i think probably, because this party is so beholden to him, makes a speaker jordan, i even hesitate to say those words, more likely, but also puts a lot of people in a bad position. Amna this is not just about politics in the party, there are realworld impacts, bills are not passing to the house at the moment. What does it mean for ukraine funding . David Steve Scalise supports ukraine funding, and jordan does not. To me thats the big issue. If scullys Steve Scalise doesnt get it, its hard to see ukraine funding going through. Amna which is a remarkable thing to say. David compared to the atrocities we seen this week. The most amazing thing to me is this is not hurting the Republican Party in the polls. The generic ballot, the republicans have a strongly on national security. Joe biden is not doing well in the polls, by nine percentage points, voters say democrats are more extreme than republicans. The Republican Party is doing well and polls despite a year or two or six or seven of chaos. Amna you may have seen laura report earlier this week, shes been tracking some of the ramping up of violent rhetoric by former President Trump and she included this graphic in her report, just recent remarks shes been reporting on. Earlier last month, he suggested that general mark milley should be executed. He went on to mock the assault on paul pelosi. He called for shoplifters to be shot on site. A few days ago he said that migrants are poisoning the blood of, echoing the linkage of White Supremacists and adolf hitler, who invoked those words. It is remarkable im repeating these words, but are we at risk of becoming numb to the sling which . Ruth i think weve been at risk of that the last seven years and i think all of us have struggled with the conflict between giving this man and his odious comments oxygen, which is what he wants, which is what fuels him, and failing to expose them, if you are an Opinion Column this like we are, failing to denounce them and therefore allowing them to just percolate. I think we see this now with his persistence in the polls and he has clearly ramped up the rhetoric. I cant remember whether you mentioned the mark milley as well. The poison the blood is the part that sickens me. We see right now the Justice System trying to grapple with how to keep him under control as it tries to hold him to account. I think we need to be really careful not to ignore him but really careful to not feed him what he wants by overacting or under reaction. I dont have the answer. David this is the platform for a second term, hes talking like a hardcore authoritarian. Hes got to ramp up the rhetoric continually to keep the crowd pleased and i think hes growing increasingly, i dont know if deranged is too strong a word. Ruth its a good word. David i will stick with deranged. I dont know how People Like Us can stop this. Ruth there is one other element, he is doing his punching, he is arranged, he loves to do it, but hes also trying to force these judges into overreacting and making a mistake. Amna we expect to say more see more of that i think in the once ahead. Always good to see you both. Remember, there is a lot more online, including a look at new poll numbers that show how americans feel about house impeachment inquiry into President Biden. Dont forget to watch Washington Week with the atlantic on pbs tonight. Moderator Jeffrey Goldberg and his panel will discuss the state of House Republican infighting and what it means for the country and 2024 election. 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This program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. ] Kevin Mccarthy makes history, just not the way he imagined. The office of speaker of the house is hereby declared vacant. Jeffrey in a week that could go down in the books as one of the most historic imaginable, Kevin Mccarthy loses his speakership