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World. All that and more on tonights pbs newshour. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by judy there are two major stories tonight, the postelection transition as President Trump refuses to concede or even allow for the traditional preparations that would normally have begun and the surging burden of covid cases in most areas of the country. The u. S. Hit a new daily record of covid19 infections with more than 144,000 reported yesterday. Hospitalizations top 65,000 for the first time, 22 states are reporting more hospitalizations than at any time says the pandemic began. Deaths are up by 22 from a week you. Ago. Lets look at how this is hitting a number of states especially hard no matter which region. In el paso, texas, makeshift clinics outside hospitals are opening up. Mobile morgues are moving in and a lockdown of nonessential businesses has been extended, testing lines are growing in wisconsin. Cases there have jumped from 700 a day to more than 6000 in two months, to deal with this surge, chicagos mayor Lori Lightfoot issued a 10 person limit on social gatherings and a stayathome advisory for nonessential needs darting next week. And in south to cota, the highest hospitalization rate in the country. One out of every 1600 residence is hospitalized with covid. We asked a small group of americans how these searches are affecting their lives. My name is dave, i am a registered nurse at the medical intensive care unit and the covid intensive unit at the united hospital. My name is valerie, i am from des moines, iowa and i am a stayathome mom. My name is gerrit, i work in the Culinary Department at a Senior Living community and i am in sioux falls, south dakota. My name is jennifer and i was a substitute, live in north dakota. My name is caroline and i am a special education teacher. My name is marie, i am a registered nurse in chicago. I feel like i am drowning, it has gotten to the point where in the last month for sure, we have been completely full in the hospital. Every single covid designated room has been full and even last week, we had every room in the intensive care unit was full and we would just get patients rolling onto the unit with no open rooms to go to. I got sick on october 13nd within a week, i found out that my husband, daughter, his best friend, and about 10 other people all became positive within a weeks worth of time. Every potential exposure i haves a potential exposure to everyone of the 140 residence that i have to help make food for and at the end of the day the way i think about it is, would i be able to sleep at night or live with myself knowing that i could have potentially given this to somebody who cannot fight it off . I find myself running and not finding times for breaks. Sort of normal on a perspective of being a nurse, but on the way it is happening with covid right now is that it is nonstop. There and all these reports that has a negative impact on communities of color and having preexisting Health Conditions myself and then being a woman of color, then i really worry about that. In a family oriented state like iowa, it is hard. It is stressful and it makes you feel like there will be some days where i feel like i am the only one on board. Or maybe me in just a few hundred people that live here are taking it seriously. It is only seeming like it is getting worse. And i am afraid for the future, the burnout is from knowing that it is not getting better. Only see maybe 10 of people Wearing Masks and do not social distance. In fact, if you do wear a mask, you are often looked out like at like it is that crazy person who does not kno how to live life. It is unfortunate that this pandemic has been made so such a political argument and i do not think that needed to happen because it is really about the safety of lives. I can be there for my patients, but more and more it is less of a bedside being there emotionally and physically for that person, it is being there on a very strict medical level. On the few days at a time where i dont leave the house, all i do is drop my son off at school and then pick him up because i just want one less body out in the world at can be potentially getting this or spreading this. I have held the hands of patients a they are dying and i have had to tell family members that they cannot come see their family members because they could potentially get the virus or spread the virus. And it is awful. Judy two states, california and texas have no reported more than one million cases since this all began. Dr. Anthony fauci of the nansen will of the National Institute of health said he was hopeful vaccines will make a real difference of slowing the pandemic, but he warned the virus could remain a chronic problem and said americans need to double down on Public Health measures. We are going to look at that Bigger Picture now with dr. Nicholas kristof was, he is a sociologist at Yell University and the author of the new book, apollos arrow, the profound and enduring impact on coronavirus on the way we live. Thank you for joining us, it is a powerful book and with the fact the pandemic is doing so poorly right now, we are seeing it spread across the country again. I want to come to a point you make in the book and that is you think a lot of decisions were made in the wrong direction early on. Not enoughpe, not enough done with regarto testing, not consistent guidance around masks. Paint that picture for us if you would. The thing we are experiencing right now is a once in a sentry event and early on, back in december and january even, experts had a very high expectation that this was likely to happen. What we should have done in my view, as soon as china locked down and put nearly one billion people under home confinement, we shouldve put perked up our ears and prepared, we shouldve done the things you mentioned. Preparing our testing capacity, our masks, the public should have been steeled with resolve that was ahead of us. Unfortunate we do not make adequate preparations until we were hit hard in march. Judy you also write about the politics of this frankly misinformation that went around. Just frankly conspiracy theories that were allowed out there without being corrected, bad guidance. How much did that contribute to the slowness of the response in the United States . One of the things that is important to realize unfortunately is that for thousands of years as the germ has spread through social networks from person to person, lies and denial have followed right behind. You might even say that lies and denial are part of what makes an epidemic and epidemic and you can understand from a human point of view, people do not want to believe that this bad thing is happening. People wish to have superstitions about what might cause it or what might cure it, these are very normal human responses that human beings have been manifesting for hundreds or thousands of years. But is the role of leadership in my opinion, our leaders who we elect to help us not be that way. To help us actually see the world for how it is and not in a fantasy way, pretending that nothing is happening when in fact our world has changed. Judy we just learned of the last few days that the vaccine may be available in coming weeks or by the end of the year early next year, but we are also hearing this warning from dr. Fauci and others that it may be with us for a while, what do you think the real timeline is in terms of when life returns to a semblance of normal . I think even if the vaccine or several are invented in the next few months which is likely, we still have challenges in manufacturing, distributing, and persuading the public to accept the vaccines. Those challenges will take about a year and meanwhile the virus is still spreading and will continue to spread until we have reached a threshold of about 40 50 of americans who are infected. Right now we are at about 10 . That threshold is known as the herd immunity threshold. That will take us into 2022. The first period during which we are confronting the biological and epidemiological impact of the virus and we are living in a changed world Wearing Masks, physical distancing, School Closures and so on, will last until sometime in 2022 and then we will begin a Second Period where we recover from the shock of the virus and this has been seen for thousands of years with other epidemics. That will take a couple of years for us to rebuild our economy and recover and so sometime in 2024 i think life will slowly return to normal. Judy you see the behaviors with that we have adopted today whether it is mask wearing, social distancing, that is going on for the foreseeable future. Do you think we will go back to what life was like before 2020 ever . Yes, although there will be some persistent changes. In the 1918 pandemic to pick a trivial example, the restaurants you to have spittoons and those were seen as unsanitary during a time of a respiratory pandemic. Afterwards, spittoons disappeared. There are things like that on a bigger example for example Business Travel will change, teaching and working from home will change. I think there may even be changes in womens labor market participation. We are not the first generation of people to confront a serious epidemic. This has been a part of the Human Experience and we will see the other side of it. Judy yes we will see the other side, but you also write about the profound loss that we all have experienced. Thank you so much again the book is apollos arrow the profound and enduring impact of coronavirus on the way we live. We appreciate it, thank you. Judy now we turn to our other top story tonight, the president ial transition. President elect joe biden is forging ahead despite President Trumps refusal to concede. Last night he tapped a long time eight to be his chief of staff. There is also a growing chorus of republicans who say the president elect should be able to receive a Daily National security briefing as soon as possible. Meanwhile, the Trump Campaigns legal challenges to the vote count go on despite many rejections. To discuss all this i am joined by hello to both of you, lisa following the biden folks, we know that as so far as we have reported, he has been denied access to what he would normally get which is the daily briefing. As we say there are some republicans who are beginning to speak up for him, tell us about that. This is fascinating, today we saw more republicans come out not for saying that the election is over, but saying that it is time for president elect biden to get classified briefings, that includes some Top Republicans and some trump allies like senator Lindsey Graham of south carolina, they seem to be threading a needle here, not yeteady to openly defy the president , President Trump but saying some steps need to be taking taken to allow resident elect biden to understand critical classified information. Heres one of those republica senators of south dakota. One of these two men will be the president after the Election Results have come in, i think at this point just as a matter of protecting our nations interests, i think that both the president and his competition here of Vice President biden should have access to those classified reports. You hear that threading of the needle there where republicans are saying if joe biden becomes president e should have this information still not saying they are ready to declare him president elect. This was tipped off by oklahoma senator James Lankford who is pressing the General Service is Administration Agency with a very broad name to make of this call. To push forward on with transition in some ways, the gsa which is run by a trump appointee has refused to do that so far. Adding to this pressure, there is a letter from 150 National Security officials, former officials, generals, admirals, people who worked in many different counterterrorism agencies saying president elect biden needs of these classified briefings if he does not get them there could be in their words, immense consequences for National Security. Judy and what about at the white house, any Movement Today in terms of how they are handling this transition and any movement in terms of the president accepting the Election Results . There is not much movement, the president remains angry, isolated, and unwilling to acknowledge that joe biden is in fact the president elect. It was one week ago today that the president took to the white house podium to say he had one won the election. The president has continued to do that over and over again in tweets and messages, but one thing we have to note, this is the longest period of time the president has not spoken publicly in his entire presidency. He is someone who likes to speak and firmly in front of that goes to the isolation, i have been talking with people in the white house and they feel anxious and fearful, their anxious that he is continuing to process this and that the world is waiting for President Trump to get on board with the fact he has lost the selection and there are young white house staffers, young republicans who have been warned that if they start looking for new jobs, that they will be fired immediately. Campaign aides have told me that people are already starting to roll off, coming to ts weekend you are going to see the Campaign Staff get smaller. Even though trump does not want to admit it, this is a white house that is unwinding. Judy staying with you, youve been taking a close look at some of the claims the president and people around him are making both in their public statements and in these legal suits, legal actions, what are you finding . The president and his allies continue to make false claims in most cases that there is mass fraud that hurt President Trump in this election and just this hour, the Trump Campaign was holding a briefing and they said it is going to take time. This is not something of a matter of instant gratification and they are not going to bite all of the apple at once. As a result they have been trying to fend their lawsuits. I want to walk you through some of the claims they are making the ricks are saying our friction and frivolous. One is in nevada, they are saying there are ballots that have military addresses used by active military officials that should be invalidated. There are people that say those addresses are of course completely valid. In michigan we saw a republican woman say see she supple workers wearing black lives matter gear and a man was following her that looked vague. We see in arizona there was this argument that sharpies, if he used a marker on a ballot that it was not going to be counted. All of these things have been disclaimed or are being fought through in court, but we are seeing judges throw these cases out one after the other because of some of the information i just said. These are not people who have real information about voter judy and finally, we know that president elect biden is starting to make some announcements about positions he wants to fill, his chief of staff he says will be ron klain, what do we know about him and how he will operate . Ron klain has been with president elect biden since he was a whiz kid at 28 on the judiciary committee. This indicates that president elect biden are going to rely on people who know him and people who are expert and strong in their fields. Ron klein a long resident resume including fighting the ebola pandemic. Judy all right, we will eat at their thank you both. Our president elect biden continues to push forward with transition planning, there are several states it to be called. In georgia, biden leads President Trump on more than 14,000 votes and the state will conduct a hand recount of nearly 5 million ballots. The state republican and congressional delegation is asking for an investigation into any claims of voter fraud. The secretary of state, also a republican says that no such claims have been substantiated. Congressman buddy carter is a republican from georgia and he joins me now. Thank you very much for talking with us, first of all, do you expect this counts to go ahead tomorrow and do you expect to what you expected to show . I do expected to go forward and it should. Let me clarify that the ngressional delegation, the house delegation, what we asked for was for the secretary of state to grant the wishes of the donald j Trump Campaign and the Georgia Republican party and the secretary of state has done that, he h acknowledged that he is going to do a hand recount. We appreciate that, we apply those efforts and we think will lead to a transparent and honest result. It is a good thing we are doing this. Judy do you expected to overturn the results and if it does not argue except prepared to accept the results . Certainly we are prepared to accept the results and certainly that is a lot of vote to overturn, we understand that. The important thing to remember here is whether you are a democrat or republican, you are an honest, transparent elections, you wants to make sure every vote is counted. You want to make sure no illegal vote is counted. You want to make sure that no vote is miscounted. We need to have confidence in our election system and that is what this is about. Judy as you know with three counts in the past, nothing like that number of votes have been changed, it has been in the hundreds. What i want to ask you, you were reelected in your district and along the atlantic coast, if there were problems statewide, do you believe there were problems in your district and with your account . Possibly there could have been and we have gotten calls in our office from constituents who are concerned that there were some discrepancies. We have done what we were supposed to do and that is we have directed them to the proper place to file their concern and to enter their concern and we will continue to do that. It is the responsibility of the secretary of state to research these kind of concerns and that is all we are doing is asking the secretary of state to do his job. Judy are you personally aware of instances where either fraud was committed or ballots were cast illegally . Do you personally know of instances that the voters should be worried about . We have had calls into our office expressing those concerns. Again, it is not our responsibility to research those concerns, it is our responsibility to direct the people where they are to go to file those concerns and that is what we have been doing. But, yes, i would not necessarily i do not know that it was fraud, i hope it was not, but i do know that they have expressed some legitimate concerns. Judy i guess what im asking is, is there enough malfeasance that has gone on . President trump is saying every day that the election was stolen from him and he has pointed specifically to the state of georgia, so im trying to understand what is it that you have seen you know the state, you have been serving in congress. What are you seeing that would back that up . Again, i think the focus here has to be on the secretary of state making sure that all of us have confidence that this was done correctly and that every legal vote was counted. If it turns out that the secretary of state comes back and reports there was not fraud, there is no widespread problems, then certainly we will probably be forced to accept that. It is important again for everyone whether you are democrat, republican, independent that you have confidence in the system that you have a transparent and honest system and that if there were problems during the selection, we get them corrected. I will tell you that there are is still a ways to go. This president has every right to fight and he is doing just that. He has every right to demand a fair and transparent and honest return on the election. That is what he is asking to have done now. Judy and you are not concerned that the voters from this experience will come away with less confidence in our democratic system . I think with the recalls, we are correcting any problems we may have experienced. For a lot of these states, this was the firstime they have done a number of these things. Here in georgia we have never had this many absentee ballots before. We had 10 times as many as we normally have. Obviously that increases the potential for errors and that is why we have to make sure that we got it right. That is all we are asking is to make sure it is accurate, that every legal vote was counted and that no illegal votes were counted. Judy congressman buddy carter of georgia, thank you very much. Stephanie im stephanie sy with news ros, we will return to the full program after the latest headlines. Not arnold not only are covid19 cases up sharply, reported cases of measles have jumped to their highest levels in 23 years according to the centers for diase control and the world health organization, global cases increased to more than 869,000 in 2019. Last year, measles claimed an estimated 207,500 lives. The u. S. Labor market is showing signs of healing, 709,000 more americans filed for an appointment last week, that is the lowest level since march and the fourth straight drop. Still, numbers remain at historic highs. Overall, 6. 8 Million People continue to receive jobless aid. In other economic news, the u. S. Treasury Department Today reported the federal government ran up a record 284 billion budget deficit for the month of october, that shortfall was nearly double what it was in october of last year. Tropical storm eta exacted a deadly toll at a campsite north carolina, three dead and two missing after floodwaters swept to the site 50 miles north of charlotte. More than 30 campers were rescued. In florida, eta crashed ashore before dawn and just north of tampa bay packing maximum sustained winds of 50 miles an hour and heavy rain. In egypt, a helicopter carrying Multinational Force and observers peacekeepers crashed today ailing at least eight people including six American Service members. It went down off the sinai peninsula, authorities said it appeared to be an accident, the Multinational Force monitors a 40 year Peace Agreement between israel and egypt. The United Nations Migration Agency says at least 74 migrants ground after a europe round ship wrote down and capsize off the coast of libya. Is the latest tragedy in the series of at least eight shipwrecks thanks october. So far this year at least 900 people have drowned in the mediterranean trying to reach europe. Prodemocracy legislators in hong kong officially handed in their resignation letters today. It was a mass protest after beijing kicked out four of their colleagues this week. The 15 opposition lawmakers refused to attend this mornings legislative session, leaving their seats empty. They insist hong kongers must continue to stand for autonomy from beijing. Yamiche so whats left for hong kongs democracy fight . Thats the most valid question. But it doesnt mean that oh, so thats the end of it and we all go home and forget about democracy or human rights or any core values. We do not underestimate hong kong people, especially our young. Stephanie the mass resignations come as beijing continues its crackdown on the semiautonomous region. The Legislative Council is now left with 43 lawmakers 41 of whom are considered probeijing. In the philippines, the aftermath of a destructive typhoon has left the country reeling. At least 13 people died, and 15 others are still missing. Philippine police said floodwaters completely submerged friday, some northeastern towns, forcing people to climb on their rooftops. Rescue efforts are underway as many residents remain trapped. Some 200,000 people were forced to evacuate. Still to come on the newshour with judy woodruff, social Media Companies combat this information on the wake of the election. The world responds to joe biden defeat of donald trump, and more. This is the pbs newshour, from weta studios in washington and in the west from the Walter Cronkite school of journalism at Arizona State university. Judy well before the election and ever since, President Trump has repeatedly tweeted out misinformation and outright falsehoods about mailin ballots , voting, the counting process, and more. It has also been true for some of the president s supporters and some in conservative media. As William Brangham shows us, social media platforms like twitter and facebook have been trying to limit the spread of disinformation, but it is more complicated than it appears. William thats right, judy. The social Media Companies have try to put warnings or labels on misleading posts. In some cases, twitter tried to restrict the use of shearing posts with false information and facebo took down a network of pages with false information about voter fraud that was tied to the stop the steel. But despite all of these moves, false information is still finding its way out on so many other networks and platforms. Elizabeth dwoskin is a reporter with the Washington Post who covers this space and joins me now. Great to have you back. Just a reminder of what facebook and social media has been doing to stamp out misinformation. Elizabeth the companies are hellbent on avoiding the repeats of 2016, where they services were abused by russian operatives. This year, facebook disabled group recommendations, it banned political ads which they have expanded, twitter slapped labels on content where they covered up content for the first time and said these claims are disputed, and they banned claims that would dispute Election Results. They banned any kind of intimations of violence at the polls. These were unprecedented measures for companies that had never actually banned misinformation of any kind prior to 2020. William i certainly understand the instinct. Some, not just on the right, argue this is flatout suppression of free speech. Thats a separate conversation for now, but despi these efforts, there are still ways for tenacious actors to get around the flags and the labels and the blocks, right . Elizabeth absolutely. One of the most interesting things that i saw observing what played out last week for the election and the aftermath is groups arose around the stopthe steal. Facebook has this balancing act. On the one hand, they want to allow people to protest and say they dont leave in the election, they want to be a platform for people to say those things. At the same time, a lot of what those groups are being mobilized on and fueled by is misleading information. Not just accidental but active campaigns, like those put out by steve bannon. Facebook removed a network tied to steve bannon last week, former trump strategist, where they are so misinformed about the voting process, none of these misleading claims ound sharpies in arizona, dead people voting in pennsylvania, biden purportedly claiming to support voter fraud those claims have not borne out, so these popular movements to contest the election is fueled by misinformation. While facebook and twitter want to stop the misinformation, they also believe that people do have a right to some extent to organize in the way they were. That is why you saw last week they banned some groups, but hundreds of other groups proliferated. William within this ecosystem of misinformation, certainlye have seen on the networks, fox news in particular, primetime posts have been a very big vehicle for this as well. I want to play this clip that aired on fox news. This is sean hannity and laura ingram, two of the primetime posts, talking about the labels that twitter had put on east of tweets on the president. They are saying that this intrusion ought to go somewhere else. Lets listen to this. [video clip] every time trump tweets now, it says this claim about Election Fraud is disputed. Do you notice how anything the left says, any of it is flagged like twitter does . Can we now move everybody from twitter to parlor . Can we make the shift . William for people who dont follow this that closely, what is parler and why is it such a sensation . Elizabeth parler is a free speech alternative to social media that they say is to tackle censorship by tech giants. You see these commentators on fox saying everyone should leave major platforms of facebook and twitter and go to this alternative service where they can say anything like voter fraud, etc. We actually saw it had an effect. We wrote this week that parler became the top download in the apple app store. It saw a huge surge in users. You also have to remember that anyone who wants to the people who are trying to create a sustained movement to oppose the results of the president ial election want it to be as broad as possible. So they dont just want to sit in an echo chamber on parler, which has still a fraction of facebooks multibillion users. They still want to be on the main platforms. William Elizabeth Dwoskin the of the Washington Post, thank you for helping us wade through all of this. Elizabeth thank you for having me. Judy american president ial elections always draw great and intense interest globally, and this years vote was no different. Joe bidens win has been met with a variety of reactions elation in some regions, wariness in others, and some silence so far from american adversaries. Heres nick schifrin. Nick in the part of the world perhaps most excited for president elect biden, in the the irish celebrated their luck. After four years of america first, western europe expressed hope for change. Joe biden has decades of experience in domestic and foreign policy. He knows germany and europe well. Many european leaders have worked with joe biden and share his day one priorities. Reentering the paris climate accord, extending the new start treaty with russia, and rejoining the world health organization. Among his first phone calls were european allies, including french president emmanuel macron. I wanted to congratulate you and to congratulate Kamala Harris for this election. Nick in britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been a trump ally. And biden has rejected brexit. Yesterday johnson expressed relief biden emphasized shared values in their call. It was refreshing, i may say, to have that conversation and i forward to many more. Nick bidens second round of calls were with east asian allies, including south korean president moon jaein and japans new Prime Minister,. He said that he looks forward to strengthening the u. S. Japan alliance and working together on achieving peace and stability in the indopacific region. Nick that phrase, the indopacific, was coined by japan but expanded by the Trump Administration to counter china. The administration, with bipartisan support increased , operations in the pacific, and accelerated regional cooperation, including with australia whose Prime Minister , Scott Morrison also talked with biden. We agreed that there was no more critical time for both this alliance, between rselves and the United States, but, more broadly, the working together especially of likeminded countries. Nick less likeminded, middle east leaders. The Trump Administration facilitated accords between israel and three sunni arab countries. I am announcing today that the United States will withdraw from the Iran Nuclear Deal. Nick they pulled out of the iran nuclear deato press confrontation with iran. After the u. S. Media declared biden president elect saudi , leaders tweeted congratulations to the new president of tanzania. The kingdom waited until late sunday to congratulate biden. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed trumps policies would continue. I welcome the fact that my friend joe, and with him Kamala Harris welcomed those agreements. Nick but joe biden has vowed to restart negotiations to reenter the iran nucleargreement, and withdraw support for the saudi led war in yemen. Meanwhile those who havent congratulated biden . Latin american populis Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador in mexico, and Jair Bolsonaro brazil, as well as north Koreas Kim Jong un, russian president vladimir putin, and chinese president xi jinping. In china, a cautious response and low expectations, as special correspondent patrick fok reports. Reporter burnished autumn leaves are a sign of changing times in beijing. But as the u. S. Prepares for a new era of leadership under joe biden, people here are sure about one thing therell be no seasonal shift in relations between china and america. Beijings yet to acknowledge joe bidens victory. But there has been a change in tone from chinese media. The staterun global times offered this view on wednesday, saying the president elect would be more cooperative. What weve been mainly seeing here in the press over the past few days is a focus on a chaotic situation in the u. S. , and i have a copy of global times from earlier this week with one article titled analysts predict final madness in u. S. China policy in less days of trump presidency. Nick hat was patrick fok in beijing. For more on the reaction around the world to joe biden winning the election we get three views. Marwan muasher was jordans foreign minister and then deputy Prime Minister from 2002 to 2005. Hes now Vice President for studies at the Carnegie Endownment for international peace. Nathalie tocci is the director of the institute for International Affairs in italy and a special advisor to European Union Foreign Affairs minister josep borrell. And minxin pei is a professor of government at Claremont Mckenna college where focuses on china. Welcome to the newshour for all of you, thank you very much. In europe, joe biden says it is his priority we went through how europeans are expressing relief and hope about the future. Does europe also believe there are changes to the Transatlantic Alliance that will outlast trump . Yes, i think there are st of two main aspects where europeans are not expecting dramatic changes. The first is i think in trade policy. A degree of protectionism will likely outlive trump. I think is europeans, we would expect things like steel and aluminum tariffs would be taken off, but we would not expect dramatic changes in terms of returning to great britains negotiations. The second aspect is in the brewing, more than brewing, confrontation between the United States and china. In some respects, especially with human rights issues, we would expect that confrontation to deepen further. Nick how will china respond to that . China will largely be on the defensive. On the whole they are treating the root election outcome with relief but expectations are low. What they are going to do is largely pursue a titfortat strategy, trying to respond cooperatively if the Biden Administration shows goodwill, but likely to stick to very hardline positions if they believe theres really no big difference between a Trump Administration and a Biden Administration. Nick how much does europe really believe that america can change under joe biden . In the last days, i think there is already been a debate brewing in europe about the fact that we cannot simply think that we can sort of flip back to where we were four years ago. And indeed some of the changes. In a sense, trump and trumpism have represented, that are probably longlasting. Essentially that means that as europeans, what we have to do is assume greater risk and greater responsibility, and ultimately that greater risk of responsibility taking and sharing with the United States will make up the stuff of a healthier transatlantic relationship with Biden Administration. Nick and marwan, how different does it look to you in the middle east . With the arabisraeli conflict, i think it is good news for palestinians and jordan. In the area of human rights and democracy, a lot of arab countries are not going to feel they can pursue violations with impunity to the United States, so you can expect some arab countries to be concerned about this. The third area is around iran, where i could say you can also expect an attempt to restart agreements with iran and have a new a gleam pressure agreement. A new agreement. Nick that aligns with what europe is hoping, to restart negotiations with iran, but as he pointed out, not all u. S. Policies will align with europe. How fundamentally different to you think the u. S. European relationship will be under President Biden . I think it will be fundamentally different. I think one should and belittle just how hard the last four years have been, for the first time in the history of the european integration project, our closest ally and partner essentially is looked at as an adversary and sometimes an outright enemy. That will change, and terms of attitudes towards european security, sort of seeing eye on the number of issues in our neighborhood, and most importantly approaching global governance, multilateralism and partnerships on the global scale, basically as europeans and americans are playing on the same team. Nick Vice President bidens team tells me that they are going to focus on domestic issues and focus on the realignment with europe and then approached china, hopefully, in their words, together with western european allies. Do you believe that in that case, china would respond differently . If the Biden Administration is successful in getting allies aboard, the u. S. Will approach china from a position of real strength. Partner ash policy will not be fundamentally different from the Trump Administrations china policy. Where we will see the difference is mainly in terms of tone. Adopt a much less strident tone. It will also adopt a much more subtle, sophisticated tactics and much more selective in terms of where to confront china. Nick to the middle east again, you described the differences you expect in a Biden Administration policy. How will the region respond and go a little bit more indepth, given that one of joe bidens particular priorities is not only scrapping the peace deals, but really trying to get back into the Iran Nuclear Deal . The iran deal is of major concern for countries who felt that obama, president obama signed a deal with the iranians at the expense of iranian interference in the region. They would le to see elements that would check iranian influence in the region. But as i said, the palestinians are going to be relieved. Not because they expect President Biden to initiate anything serious on the arabisraeli conflict, but they can at least expect to stop deterioration that the trump plan and policies of President Trump has done. Nick and the question of american democracy, it has been on the lips of many u. S. Officials here when it comes to china, trying to make this an ideological battle between the communist party of china and the west, and frankly xi jinping has made this an ideological battle. Do you think that would continue under a Biden Administration . Absolutely. I think the values issue would be an issue the Biden Administration has enormous strength upon. On the other hand, i think President Trump refusal to concede plays into chinas hand in its own narrative, which is that u. S. Democracy is declining, there is enormous decay in the system, and the u. S. Should get its own house in order before trying to confront china. Nick and finally, i wonder about that idea of u. S. Democracy declining from the deal in the middle east. Does the u. S. Have the influence it used to . Lets remember President Biden would probably devote most of his time, at least in the early stages of his administration, to domestic issues and repairing the domestic rift in the United States. I think his administration is going to have little bandwid to deal with an issue like the arabisraeli conflict, for example, and would prefer to devote their energies to europe and china more than to our region. Nick thank you very much to all of you. Judy wildfires have scorched much of the American West this year. Jocksana corona and her family in talent, oregon, were among the residents forced to flee. Our brief but spectacular team reached them at the girl scout facility where theyve been living. On the morning of september 8, i didnt sleep very well because it was very windy. I got a text from an Emergency Alert system that there was a fire near and i should take precautions. It looked way too close and thats when my neighbor said, the Fire Department will take care of it. And then i said no, this wind is going to screw us over. So i ran inside, i called my husband. Took him 20 minutes to get home to us. He ran inside and got r kids birth certificates, the passports, and he said, we got to go. We evacuated our house by 12 05 p. M. We have lived in our home for 17 years. Me and my husband, xt month we will be married 17 years. So we pretty much bought that use five months before we got married. Thats the only home ive ever known. I was born in mexico and my family moved to l. A. In 1989. My legal status is that i have daca. Out of our mobile home park, which had a hundred homes, 90 burned. I felt like there was no information really going on by authorities. I felt that most of the information i was getting was from other peoples facebook posts. I cant imagine what it was like for my neighbors who stayed waiting for that warning to come. That warning never came. My daughter, every friend she has lost her home. My son already knows Three Friends who didnt lose their home. The next day, one of my husbands cousins sent me a text and a picture. The picture pretty much showed where my house would have been. There was nothing recognizable. Everything was just ashes. Im still a little scared. Im still, im still wondering how long its going to be before i can feel safe. Were staying at a local girl scout facility where we were offered shelter. And its hard because our Housing Market here in Southern Oregon was already really low. I dont want to move anywhere else. Kids have been in the same School District since they were little, i was pta president of our elementary school. I did a lot of advocacy work for undocumented families. That is home. Helping is not what i do. Its who i am. I was known in my community as someone that people can reach out to if they needed questions or resources for undocumented families. And i feel like my community has supported me 100 because of the work that i give back. When we lost everything, people reached out to me and i never thought that people i had helped in the past would be the ones who would be helping me to be. I have had so much support from people. My name is Jocksana Corona and this is my brief but spectacular take on surviving a wildfire. Judy what a story of courage and we certainly hope all that health continues. And that is the newshour for tonight. Im judy woodruff. Join us online and again here tomorrow evening. For all of us at the pbs newshour, stay safe and see you soon. Major funding has been provided by architect. Beekeeper. Mentor. A raymondjames Financial Advisor taylors advice to help you live your life. Life well planned. For 25 years, Consumer Cellular has offered no contract wireless plans to help people lift life. Our u. S. Based Customer Service team can help find a plan that fits you. For more, visit consumercellular. Tv. 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