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The president melded the two today, and quickly drew criticism for it. Stephanie sy begins our coverage. Hopefully george is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing thats happening for our country. Athis reat day for him. Its a great day for everybody. Reporter President Trump invoked the memory of george floyd this morning, as he hailed the may jobs report, calling i the greatest thing that can happen for race relations, even though unemployment rates for minorities actually went up. In delaware, a short time later, the Presumptive Democratic nominee for president , former Vice President joe biden, condemned mr. Trumps remarks. For the president to try to put any other words in the mouth of george floyd i frankly think is despicable. Reporter the president s appearance came in the rose garden, at a white house now behind barricades, but he only y addressed the nationwide protests against Police Violence on black americans. It wi work out. Some governors will need a little help, but for the most partare in good shape. We have a fantastic military, we have a fantastic national guard. National guard was barely used. You have to dominate streets. You cant let whats happening ppen. Reporter but on onhestreet near t white house, the now dominates. Us after a week defined by unrest and crackdowns from the police and national guard. Today a major street declared black lives matter, in bright yellow paint. D. C. Mayor Muriel Bowser officially renamed the block blaclives matter plaza. What we have to say to young black youth is that you matter, we care about them and we hear them and were listening to them and were trying to make all of our systems starting right here in washington, d. C. More fair. Reporter but the local black rglives matter oization chapter called the action quot a performative distraction from real policy, and instead, demanded tangible reforms. Dont shoot hands up dont shoot rter last night, peaceful demonstrators weathered d. C. Thunderstorms at the eight foot fence now circling the perimeter of the peoples house. It was one of many protests around the country free of violence. But in buffalo, new york, her viral video of Police Violence. Cal news cameras captured the moment an officer pushed 75 yearold marn gugino to the ground, leaving blood dripping from a head wound. E officersad claimed the man tripped, they have been suspended. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said he was alarmed. It disturbs your basic sense of decency and humanity. Why . Why . Why was that necessary . Where was the that . An older gentleman where was the threat . Its just fundamentally reporter it was one of a growing number of incidents of including tuesday ing reported, angeles, where police smashed a black mans car windows and dragge curfew is 8 00, go home last night police were more, restrained than the night before, but eventually, they did arrest demonstrators for breaking the 8 00 curfew. Mayor bill deblasio defended the enforcement actions. Sometimes its because theres a lot more there than meets the eye, and when youre after curfew, you have a threat of violence, you have evidence of violence being intended and people have been asked to be dispersed. I want to remind you those are real conditions that have to be understood. Reporter meanwhile, e National Football league is under increasing pressure, four oars after the san franci 49ers Colin Kaepernick started his own protest by taking a knee during national anthem. He has not played in the league since. In florida today, the Jacksonville Jaguars marched in solidarity. And more than a dof. L. Players released a stronger together veo on social media. On behalf of the National Football leae, this is what we, the players, would like to hear you state we the National Football league, condemn racism and the systemic oppression of black people. Reporter those demands continued today and to this evening, in cities across the country. From kansas city. To dallas, where the Police Department organized a blue for black lives matter march. And in minneapolis today, whee Police Killed george floyd, the city agreed to ban all police bystanding officers to intervene in violations. And California Governor Gavin Newsom also announced an end to pinning suspects by the neck. Support from many corners, and steps toward reform. For the pbs newshour, im stephanie sy. Woodruff in the days other news, talk of a turnaround from the pandemic accelerated on news of those surprising job gains in may. The economy added 2. 5 million jobs, after losing 21 million in and, the National Unemployment rate fell more t tn a full poin13. 3 . Well get the details, after the news summary. The jobs report sent a jolt of optimism through wall street. The Dow Jones Industrial average gained 829 points, 3 , to close above 27,100. The nasdaq rose 198 points, and, the s p 500 added 81 points. Even as Economic Activity picks up, the covid19 pandec is still spreading, and claiming lives. Worldwide deaths neared 400,000 those in the United States. F in geneva, the World Health Organization called for widespread use of face masks by more than just Health Workers and patients. In light of evolving evidence, w. H. O. Advises that governments should encourage the general public to wear masks ere there is widespread transmission and physical distancing is difficult, such as on public transport, in shops or in oth confined or crowded environments. Woodruff the issue of social distancing also came up at President Trumps white house t today. Staffers moved reporters chairs closer tr than the recommended six feet. They said they did it because it looks better. The co forces in japan says china is pushing territorial claims across the south china sea, while the pandemic occupies the worlds attention. He reports a surge in chinese daval activity, and he says it is aimed at inting other nations with their own territorial clai. And, in the u. S. President ial campaign, an associatepress count shows former Vice President joe biden is now within 18 delegates of clinching the democratic nomination. He could win those in primaries over the next few days. Meanwhile, twitter has disabled a Trump Campaign video honoring the social Media Company cited a copyright complaint. Still to come on the newshour a new jobs report shows a surprising recovery in the labor market. We discuss the ongoing nationwide protests with the mayor of los angeles. Mark s break down this moment in america. Plus much more. Woodruff the unexpectedly strong jobs numbers caught most economists by su. But, as john yang reports, the administration was quick to hail them as early indicati an economic recovery already unrway. Yang judy, at his rose this afternoon in maine the president said todaysu job ort was a sign a that good times are ahead. Americas economic comeback has begun. The next year is set to be a ar, and you remember i said it, but its going to be an yearing very big thing happened today when we saw numbers the likes of which weve never seen in the history of our country. Good timing because people look at that and they say, hey, this countrys great. Weve done things that nobody elseonas ever yang how do others interpret the numbers, and how much do they say about the future . Elise gould is a labor economist at the Economic Policy institute, a Research Center that gets funding from organized labor, and our own Lisa Desjardins, who covers Economic Policy on capital hill. Lisa, let me start with you. You heard the president say that looking at thibs report, americas economic comeback has gun. Do you see that in this report . Not yet. It ctainly is a welcome surprise that the top line numbers started to turn around, but it would be a mistake to think it is now time for policymaker to ff the valve and stop providing aid to workers, their families necessary aid to state and local governments. We still have a long way to go. Reporter the consensus of economists was that we would set r drop in payroll, in jobs. Do you explain, or when you look at the numbers, what does it tell you to explain this increasef o 2. 5 million . It is a bit of a puzzle, solutely. Many economists did not expect this. I think theres a couple ofs. Fact one is the initial Unemployment Insurance claims came in around 10 million between the reference period in april and the reference period in may, and woullike many people to think the job office would be large. Set that and maybe of thees miff claims were pentup demand when ople couldnt get in earlier to make the claims. Its also possible the Paycheck Protection Program has gotten people back on pay troll as well. Rep nter where do the jobs come from in may. In may we saw many of the sectors that had the first big job losses. Some have come back. 31 states have begun using their stayathome restrtions, so we can see that result there, leisure and hospitalty, trade, healthcare employment, even in construction. Reporter earlier today, President Trump was asked about what he could do to help race a relations rica and he said a strong economy, was his answer, and he pointed tohese jobs numbers. But even in these jobs numbers we see the continuing disparity along racial lines and even in this little minirebound in may we see disparity along racial lines. Yes, ths exactly right. We know that there were jobrs ofcross the job losses across the board, devastating job losses that we saw in march and april and those are felt acss the economies differently. The job losses that hit black because they have historically higher unemployment rates, higher poverty rates, lower income, lower wages and lower liquid savings to be able to weather that kind of a storm of those massive job losses. Then in may, you see a little sign, a glimmer of some hope. But its actuallyittinghite workers, not hitting black workers. So its adding me insult to jure and it seems that this recovery, as it hat begun, has already starte discriminate further against the black workers. Reporter Lisa Desjardins, presidenp this morning in the rose garde signed an extension of one of the efforts congress is trying to help protectioe Paycheck Program that elise just mentioned. There is aneotal evidee that you have thats helping and thats in thisatxtension the president signed . This is something critical for millions of these Small Businesses, john, who have been waiting for weeks, worried they would e t be able to usis money. This, of course, is a program meant to help business with 500 or fewer workers. The idea is this program essentially floats most of the ticks costs for the businesses for two months, thats how much money the federal government is given. So they were only given a time to use the moneyfi t of all the bill from congress and tptd said the funds could be spent over 24 weeks. It was eight weeks, so thats a huge extension. 60 of that money must go t salaries. Thats a lower figure than priously it was75 . Some of these businesses said we dont end 75 o our salaries. 60 is too much. Happened here is businesses arent getting more money, but theyre getting a lot more flexibility. There are some technical problems with the wa this bill was written, over. Were seeing what changs may mime, when this is actually stered. But as far as evidence that this program made a big deal in our economy, this is cleary the largest infusion of cash in th economy in the past honest. Lets look a little bit at whato panother graphic here for you. We have a prom that so far used 510 billion. It still has more than 100 billion left to spend thats been approved. Now, this is 4. 5 million american Small Businesses that have used this fu, and, john, the average loan is not that large, considering the sittion right now. About 114,000 on average. Soe are talking about Small Businesses across this country, and if you look at the data, if u look at exactly when this money hit, most of these businesses got this money in may, and that could have something to do with these meunempl numbers. Lisa, what do you think these unemployment numbers will do to the thiing on capitol hill about another or more stimulus down the line . Speaking with sources across the capitol and in both parties, il you, republicans feel this bolsters their argument that it is time to take a pause and to wait before there is more money spent, more relief given. So as done. O see what the relief now, house democrats, speaker pesi sent out a Statement Today saying she thinks the opposite, that this mon shows that it was spent well, that the unemployment results are from previous relief and if they stop spending the money, she is sing she thinks unemployment will go back up. I have to i tell youhink the republicans seem to be winning the momentum context here and there is a larger debate on employment benefits, also extended under the cares act because and democrats would like to keep that going. Its 600 moreun foployment than specifically, an and they twould like to keep t going, but that runs out at the end of july, and they admit the unemployment numbers will make it harder for them to get that extens wn. Reporten they were doing the cares act on capitol hill and talking about theun ployment benefits, there was an argument made by some republicans that it was a disincentive to unemployment by raising the Unemployment Benefits and extending them. As a labor economist,whats your reaction to that . 600, mys dwrd z very important to extend that, it does run out in july. That has been vital to keep workers the afloat. It allow workers with throte inflation to continue to equal rights put food on the hele, a roof over their and, without that money, they will be economically devastated. I think it speaks more to the fact that wages are so low for many w across this country that 600 could actually make that much of a difference. So it is vital to keep that turned on. When workers get called back to work, they cant keepct coling that 600, theyre going to have to go back to work. So i dont really see that happeninghe. Reporter with thunder rolling in the background, elise gould, Economic Policy institute, Lisa Desjardins our Congressional Correspondent for the newshour, thank you very much. Oure welcom thank you. Woodruff the nationwide protests over the killing of george floyd are forcing many state and local government officials to closely examine Law Enforcement agencies Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced yesterday his proposal to cut 150 million from the citys Police Budget and put that money towards helping communities of color. And mayor garcetti joins us now. Welcome ba to the newshour, mr. Mayor. I think a lot of people could understand why yo would want to put this money into communities that are hurting, but why take it from the Police Department, pweeks after you were calling an increase in the Police Department budget . Its a fair question to ask, dy, and good to be with you again. Look, budgets are moral documents, and knew in covid 19 that we would have to make cuts almost everywhere myself, our civilian departments took a 10 cut. So i want to be very clear with my Police Officers and everybody else listening, this is shared sacrice, but no one department can be completely immune. We have to, in tough economicnd times,n a moment of Racial Justice where we have the operrtunity, any police off out there ive ever talked to hid, please, can you invest in education and thlthcare and the things that might prevent it . Me before i have to deal with we give them so much to shoulder on their backs and theyre supposed to solve homelessness, Mental Health, d lal withk of communication in communities of dolor. Lets start goin a road where we say those things, too, are prioriti, not an either or, its a yes and. Wev squeezed budgets. We can keep our polce officers well protected, invested in training, making sure theyre mpensated in the right way. But if we dont start walking through this door today, when will we, and if we dont take a thion, who will . So i hear what people are saying out there as well as wha my officers say, too. We have to find a better way, i just be on the back of policing, it has to be in the reflecons of society that say long before the criminal Justice System intervenes we can give people what they need for their lives they deserve and not have thal disparity we have had for so long in america. Uff but but you recogne the impetus was the killing of george floyd. Its not when it started. The largest thi thats have been mayors is70million to fight homelessness we didnt have before. We increased the Gang Reduction Youth Development workers. People in criminal justice work as mentors to keep our parks open late, thats increased 50 , while the number of Police Officers we hadtay the same, all budgets go up because of more receipts and the cos of living, but we put our priority overwhelmingly long before today antrying to invest in those things to help our officers be safer and help our communities be safer. You dont have to choose between those two, and i knowhats a tough message. People are listening with the eat either characterize all Police Officers as terrible human beings or vice versa that have for too long characterized people ocolor, especially africanamerican men and women as threats. We cant stand for either of those things,co and the result in the loss of life based on your skin. And theoutpo burn putce officers in danger. We have to move forward in the momentum that built long before today, but certainly today demands acceleration of and im proud l. A. Is taking those steps. Oodruff we should just point out though the black lives matter and other groups saying these cuts arent enough. Theyre saying there should be a cut below what the city was already spending in lamb l. A. They want to cut the number of police. In fact some people are saying get rid of the department altogether, virtuly. Im understanding you saying this is as far as youre going no, theres always more. As we have a stronger economy, lets continue to invest in those things. How cuff so many less people who have hvjt women who are black have a four to six times more rate of dying in childbirth. Thats something we can all embrace together. But i want to be very clear, this is something in which fol would say lets get rid of our Police Departments, i disage. Ive seep Police Officers break up sex trafficking rings, making sure a woman experiencing Sexual Violence has safety. I want to have heroes all over our communities and investments in our young people,nd the idea that we have to choose between those two is the wrong dichotomy. Druff in that connection, you said just in the last few days, and im quoting, the ajority do this job selflessly and with honor and dignity befitting the badge. But we know, mayor garcetti in the last few days there have been a number of incidents involving lamb l. A. Pole and the protesters. We have video wed showe earlier in the newshour. These are scenest have played out on social media, one of them, in one case, therepo was thice used a baton on someone who was standing there pea. Ful in other case,s, a police car drove into people in the street. There wastanother instance where officers smashed the windows of a car thatas sitting there, dragged the person out of the car. How does all this square with your description of Police Officers, most of whom youay are acting with the dignity that befits the badge . Eah, we have hundreds of thousands of incidents that happen in a given year, and even intihe toughess, and there should be accountability always. We have an Inspector General commission made of citizens, not Police Officers, that investigate these ey should be investigated and they trouble us. One camera frame nay not tell the entire story, for instance the car backing away was taking projectiles and weve seen an officer get a cracked skull and. Near d that says, i know policing is an completely tough job, but protestors should be protested, we should have accountability and i hope we lif up the stories of the amazing moments we saw where folks had dialogue, hugged, took knees, engaged as well as Holding Anything tha violates policy within our city, holding those individuals accountable. Woodruff but are these incidents and other questionle incidents like them, are they being investigated. Yes, 100 and our Inspector General is available for anyone else who has one that needsin stigation. Its something not new now. A lot of people may be having these interactions for the first time in their life. This is something we set upde deago in our Polce Department here, and that accountability has to be for anybody, whether a government employee, member of the public, and no badge or title should hide that, as well fo e public as well. Im sure you know that a number of the folks involved in the prott, though, are saying investigating isnt good enough, theyre calling on the police haief, your police chief ml moore, to step down, to be fired. Some of them i even heard today on the steps of city hall calling for you to step down. How do you answer this . Thats part of being a leader. I dont think i have beein office a day where somebody either from this or that direction doesnt want me to step down, ebut i think called to these moments to eefine with action opened not with words what do. Im very proud of the things mve done in this city whether together raisingimum wage, making college free, making sure that we can have a system that investn young people who are most at risk in our communities. This is a momentre well either meet or miss the moment. I dont intend to miss the moment. I know this isngxcrucia difficult work to be a protester calling forh justice throe raids, to be a Police Officer and exercising restraint guarding the line. Ti believe there are actions we can take that, in the ce of criticism, 20 years from now when we look back, say change the paradigm, open the door, built a more just society. Ese are the birth pangs of finally birthing a trueir muial democracy in america and there are things you can do. If youre a mayor out there, do the eight things that will reduce Police Killings by 72 statistically. ve done all eight and we pledged to do a number more. Help police offirs have the Mental Health care, compensate them well enough to make sure that youre gettine people you want. Demand that theres accountability, d engage in not just the criminal Justice System but so much more because Structural Racism lives in the inart of so many people americ we have to own that and say, too, that it manifests not just in the criminal Justice System, but we have toay it manifests jobs, economy education, and it is time for us, finally, to seize this moment to make sure george floyd didnt die in vain, that Breonna Taylor whose i birthdtoday, that we learn the lessons that people should not die because of thef color o their skin, and that we must find a common humanity between us all, whether it a Police Officer and somebody who pays their salary, whether its a young person of a different color, or r its people who live in different parts of this country, it is time for us to finally heal america. Woodruff just in a word, you are standing b your leaf right now . Oh, our police chief made on commat i said if it was in his heart he would no longer be police chief he corrected himself within seconds, but i know that often doesnt make the second part of the news. Theres no moral equivalent to looting and muer. He and iknows that. He came after the lam part scandal to clean up lampart and did asa fac job. We dont have time to late night comments you make when youre tithd. I know tha not his heart. Woodruff lamb l. A. Mayor Eric Garcetti, we thankou very much. As always, strength and love to you. Woodruff to help us make sense of a week that brought more than 700 American Cities and towns, the analysis of shields and brooks. Thats syndicated columnist mark shields and New York Times coluist david brooks. So hello tatboth of you. About these protestors,ma. I have been talking with mayor garcetti of los angeles about it but, as wve said, 700 country, thousands and thousands of people in the streets, it started out about george floyd, its become i think its fair to Say Something much bigger than that. What do you make of it . Judy, its quite unlikeng anytve ever seen. Most protests here in washington involve the usual suspects on sides. Those are committed partisans, in some case zealots, who show up regularly. This is remarkable in its composition. Its people who are not protestors, who are not political activists, at the same time even thoedh its spa and inspired by the tragic death of george floyd, it is notsp ifically racial. Very large whitecoosition in it. That to me is remarkable. Its reached not only the major cities but small towns worldwide. I think this is ofrm es significance. Itante a little consolation to george floyd and his loved ones, but his murder is having an enormousmpact on ts country and it will not be just transitory, i think it will be permanent. Woodruff david, do you think this is a different weve seen moments of protest, weve seen policeinvolved killings of black men. Whats different this time . I would say its a combination of things. I sort of think oft as a hurricane thats happening, an earthquake. The earthquake started in 2014 with ferguson, with a lot of terrorist killings, then the election of donald trump, and we saw ravines open up in our society. Divides in politics, racial divides, economic divides, obviously. And first this comes, first the and this murder, exposing them more. And then you have a generation of peopl under 35 whove seen the financial crisis, whove seen a bit of water under the rock, maybe, but whove sen nothing on global warming, and, so, this is a generation that is fed up and frankly, a lot of people in the Africanamerican Community are fe up, keep hearing the word exhausted. So when u calculate testify death to have the ravines being exposed, with the generational ange, with a sense of america tonally turning to race as maybe the centralline in our history or our story right now, these are just bighi epics, and i do think its like one of those big shi that happen periodically in i america, a think weren middle i agree with mark. Its not just a moment. Its a climactickic shift. Woodrff mark, a shift, will it lead to something distinctly different, though, from what we have today because these protestors, as weve just been ding, they want Police Departments defunded or they want budgets cut, they nt real change, they want more africanamericans elected to office, and ny, many other dends around education, around housing, around communitaries. Those things really going to change . Well, judnk i tthere are demands, and there are demands. Mader garcetti app good point that both the Africanamerican Community and the police nee each other, they uly do. Africanamericans disproportionately live in highcrime areas, and they do want an engaged, principled and activist police force working ta preserve pea order in their community. But i think were far beyond the prayers and thoughts, reactions of awakening in this country, to the fa that africanamericans, people of color have been treated, ands i irrefutable, been treated differently than Law Enforcement, and unfairly. I dont think theres any question about that. I do find it encouraging that two institutions that hav sort of sidelined, it seems, in our countt were so much involved the American Civil Rights movement played principle roles this week. The bishop of the Episcopal Church in washington spoke out so forcefully about the photo op used in abusing her church. Thcafricanamerican catho archbishop of washington, d. C. Stoke spoke out strsluouy and emphatically against using religious placesnd symbols to exploit litical advantag especially when the message isnt one of inclusiveness or justice. And its no accident the United States military, the most tegrated institution in o society, that the words of people like general Martin Dempsey and admiral mike mcmullin, menike ha stanley mcchrystal, as well as general mattis, you know, and the reaction of the military, i think, was encouraging. So im heful. Woodruff david, i do want to ask you both about the inesident and brig the use of the military, but just quickly, do you think therwill be real change coming out of what were seeing. Yeah, i look at the polls and we usually never have polls above 55 of anything, we were completely divided in the country, now wead a pbs marist poll, 67 disapprove the way donald trug is reacti to this moment, 67 reaction to the lockdown, we had 67,0 . In the past three months weve had polls in the 60s and 70s. Were a less divided country. E biden opening up in an 8point lead in follows. Were moving left, and the pandemic and this event have just underlined the iqualities in america, and whether you like it or not, i just think thatif the reality you look at the evidence. Woodruff and, david, lets t mark brought up and that is the president invoking the militay. I mean, having the military, armed people out in thets str, troops clearing the streets forcefully to make way so he could walk across the area of Lafayette Square to hd the bible in fro of st. Johns church, of pushback, as mark reminded us, from former military officials, even were even seeing current military lepuader back. Is this a moment of turnor this president , do you think . I do i hatched the polling. But i mentioned the polling, but hes been a bully for a long time. s a bully over twitter and maybe a bully to the press, t now hes using u. S. Troops to be a bully. I thin wt set general mattis off was just watching the military, which is a fine profsional but unpoliticized organization, suddenly turn into a profit Campaign Video and that should turn our stomachs. It mistfies me is you have a thisident whos taken authoritarian line of domination, be no dominant, unlh vicious dogs and dangerous weapons, and thats not only just talk anymore, and it swings through the Republican Party and senator tom cottons tweet about no quarter given, were going to dominate our fellow citizens as if theyre the enemy, and ik th bleeds down to the police and the videos weve seen tonight. It is a theme coming from the top, from the white hou, a theme of mental brutalism, and it affects people, and what weve seen coming out of theo white house has been a more dangerous contagion thaneven with all the outrages of the woodruff mark, david raed the term and the president used it again today, we need to dominate, he said,th even a are announcing theyre going to pull uniformedf miller outhe streets of washington. But the orders are there. I mean, weknow what happened this week, we know that the presidt talked about calling out the national guard, he urged governors to use the national guard. Heeaaid they were would like like fools if they didnt, and were left with the reminders of this. This is the wor of donald trump, to be very blunt about i want. Admiral mattis may have put it best at the Al Smith Dinner in new york last fall, which im sure didnt escape the president s attention, whene said, i wear mypurs in battle, and donald trump earned his spurs in a doctors letter. So thats the toughness, thats sort of the phony t donald trump, the swagger. When his nuer and chanceame up to serve and to get tough, he, of course, ran and secur sc, personally, but hes something at wants to bully other people. I guesshat bothers me more than anything else, i saw him today, jackd reed, cal it petty and preposterous pulling 9,500 american troops out of germany. Why . Out of spite and outof pettiness because mrs. Merkel declined his invitation to be part of the photo op for the g7 at camp david next month, on the very legitimate grounds of ronavirus. So this is the president. He does no understand the military. Its a crazy swagger john wayne movie version of it. Ijohn mccain so much. If john mccain were alive today, it wouscorching and scalding the rhetoric he would be directing at this president of his own party. Woodruff and, david, as we wrap up our conversation, what hope can we take into the weekend . Well, listen, these rallies, most of the cops have been eat, they have been fine, they have been dancing with people, they have been kneeling withth people have been talking with people. You know, we cover the extremes and, you know, what we do, its where the conflict is, but most to have the protests have been calm, peaceful, dedicated to policy, dedicated to fundamental change and warm and even amidst the anger, theres comradeship ndthere,ost of the cops have done their job, and so, we shouldnt take the exemes as to what is going on in the middle which is prettyamn good. Woodruff on that note, david brooks, mark shields, thank you. Judy. Woodruff please join us tonight for our special, race matters america in crisis. Is a moment to listen. And we hear from powerful voices onenequality, policing and African American experience. Tune in at 9 00 p. M. Eastern on online at pbs. Org newshour. Woodruff and well be back soohortly with our weekly back at the remarkable lives lost to covid19. But first, take a moment to hear from your local pbs statio its a chance to offer your support, which helps keep programs like ours on the air. Woodruff now special correspondent Charlayne Hunter agency making amends for itsnt violent past, in this race matters report. Reporter during the 50th anniversary of Police Violence against peaceful civil rights marchers in selma, alabama that ended in montgomery, police chief kevin murphy did something surprising. He apologized to congressman john lewis, a frequent victim of that earlier violence and handed him his badge. We caught up with him where he now dr. Murphy where he now works as Montgomery County sheriff and where his solutions are still in place. Thank you fo tjoining us. Nk you for having me. Reporter what moved you to hand congressman lew your badge that day . I saw him come to montgomery over a several years periol. They wouw the civil rights trail and spend time in montgomery. As a young member of the department i would see him and wonder why has never acknowledged the injustices that occurred here and thought if i ever become police chief, im going to change that. Then the day did arrive when they were to comto montgomery for the annual tour and not tell anybody, i did not want it to be a political act, i wanted it to be sincere and heartfelt, and the respect that i have for congressman lewis is immeasurable. Reporter well, hes told me he has the same for you. In your days as a Police Officer, you asked questions. What kind of questions did you ask and what kind of responses did you get . I found that a lot of the officers who had really lived through that era, particularly the white officers, were very ctant and uncomfortable with talking about it. Reporter so when you became cwhat steps didou take to change what you saw as the wrong . One of the first things i implemented as the new police chief was creating a class. We went wa in history to the dred scott decision to the emmett till case because i nted the officers to experice what really happened. You know, what my observation was, you hava 21yearold officer who had never lived through or seen thcivil rights era for what it was, the dark reality of it. So this young officer would stop an africanamerican citizen and gewhat of a pushback because maybe this 60yearold orarold africanamerican citizens last encounter with a montgomery Police Officer was ry negative. After they attended the class, i saw a lot of promise in that the next time they encountered that citizen, they felt like i understand now. Reporter and you got this class put into the Police Academys training. I did, and we actually had all members of the department, not just the sworn officers, but the civilians attended as well and had tremendous feedback. The first part of the course is classroom, then a tour of the rosa parks museum. But my favorite part of the class was the conclusion where was a values segment, and the values segment was giving scenarios to the members of the class. It was strongly agree, somewhat agree, strongly disagree, somewhat dis but i was proud of the answers scenarios because they were learning from the class that, you know, you have to be very carel in the way that you apply this power and, you know, were seeingt in the country now and i think we were teaching that in this class how to deescalate a situation where a thought they were going to be mistreated when ey saw the patch of the montgomery Police Department and it was the officers responsibility to ensure that citizen that that was not going to occur. Reporter what do you think, in that experience, is has any kind oication today . I think Law Enforcement has to get to work and i think one of the Biggest Challenges we face in this new century is our critical event, where you have a citizen whos become violent, a citizen whos under the influence of drugs or perhaps are suffering from some type of Mental Health issue. What ive seen with a lot of these encounters, and very badly with the death of an unarmed citizen, is fear on the part of the officer. And we all experiencit in this uniform. Its nothing to be ashamed of, but you o be able to manage that fear and i believe sometimes when fear steps in, poor decisions are mad i think that the use of deadly fo. E falls into that catego reporter what do you do about it . The officers, the deputiesch coming into th profession how manage your fear. No one ever did that to us, my generation. Reporter what do y think is the most important thing to do now to ensure that everybody, the police are respected as well as those who deserve to be protected by the pole and even those who commit crimes . Law enforcement needs to Start Holding themselves accountable, and youre starting country where officers are being held accountable, and there e consequences for bad behavior. Reporter a lot of the Improper Police behavior wereof innocent, but what do you do when youve got criminals . I mean, not everybody is innocent. Its not a Police Officers job to punish. Were there to enforce the law and to take people into custody. But i think you have seen, in some instances, and certainly back in the early and the latter parts of the last century that, you knowenforcement felt like it was their role to punish and, you know,our responsibility to apprehend and bring these people before the courts. You know, there is no such thing astreet justice. You have to abide by the law when youe wearing the uniform and set the example. When you dont do stat, youve lo all credibility with the public that you serve. Reporter kevin murphy, thank you. Thank you. Woodruff amid days of unrest and mass protests across the country, the Novel Coronavirus continues to take the lives of individuals every day. Here are the stories of just some of those who have fallen victim to this virus. Haofy yasukochi was the hear her familyrun bakery in san francisco. Sh,knew her customers by na and often, their orders by heart. A proud mother and graer, hatsy displayed family photos on the bakery walls, and loved taking silly spchats with her five grandchildren. As a young girl, hatsys family was imprisoned in internment camps during the second world war. Hehters say that experience gave her the perseverance she would later rely on attle cancer. She was 80 years old. Idris bey worked to save lives and teach otheve as a 27year ran of the Fire Department new york. Idris responded to the attacks on 9 11 as an emergency medical technician. He went on to instruct other First Responders for nearly two decades. His longtime partner described idris, or mister behis students called him, as a dynamic teacher relatable and funny, but also serious. The 60yeawas also a father and a mentor; a humanitarian on and off the job. 78yd Mario Cesar Romero was a leader in his east Harlem Community and a champion of puerto ric culture. Mario was raised in manhattan, the son of immigrants. From chdhood, he fell in love with the art and history of his parents homeland. Through his work as an art historian, harlem tour guide and curator, he cultivated a love for art among his neighbors and his own family, especially his niece. Susan rokus was a beloved Elementary School teacher in loudoun county, virginia for almost five decades. A woman of faiiends say susan was respectful and truthful; qualities she instilled inoung students. She was particularly skilhid at helpingren overcome challenges with reading, through empathy and positivity. Susan also loved tea time with friends, tennis and fashion. E was 73 years old. Luis frias was a master of argentine dance. Born in buenos aires, luis began performing professionally at age 12. His passion and talent for malambo, a traditional dance once performed by cowboys, took him around the world. He traveled with the ringling on the Las Vegas Strip and in Madison Square garden. F stage, the 65yearold was a warm, funny and compassionate grandfather and father, say his two daughters. Luis was 65 years old. On the newshour online right please join us tonight for our special, race matters america in crisis. It is a moment to listen. And we hear from powerful voic on inequality, policing and the African American experience. Tune in at 9 00 p. Th eastern. Ans the newshour for now. Im judy woodruff. Have a great weekend. Thank you, please stay safe and see you soon. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by life isnt a straight line, and sometimes you can find yourself heading in a new direction. Fidelity is here to he you work through the unexpected, with Financial Planning and advice for todaytomorrow. Li the w and flora hewlett fodation. For more than 50 years, advancing ideas and supporting institutions to promote a better world. At www. Hewlett. Org. Supporting social entrepreneurs and their solutions to the worlds most pressing problems skollfoundation. Org. And with the ongoing support of these institutions and friends of the newshour. This program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thu. Hello, everyone. Welcome to amanpour o. Heres whats coming up. Just remember, this country was founded on protests. Is called the american revolution. Former president Barack Obamas efforts to mobilize and unify. This as jim mathis calls him the most divisive president in my fetime. Retired, who does the pentagon w salute . The president or the constitution . And at what cost . Plus we at a this opportunity tot sa the great people of south africa for their concern against tyranny. Lessons from

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