California. Even as the Company Works to restoredpower to the affe customers, they are warning of a larger shut off starting on saturday night amid forecasts of strong wind. They faced criticism from the governor, lawmakers, and the californiaisublic utilities coon over their handling of the first round of Power Outages two weeks ago. Pg e ceo accepted lane, saying the utility was not edadequatel prepfor the first round of outages, as the website crashed repeatedly and ere call ce were overloaded. Joining me now is the senior anproducerdata journalist, lisa white commented disability rights advocate sharing the board for the center for independent living in berkel. Lisa, tell me, what about the shutoffs that could start saturday evening and over the weekend . Last night, pg e thwarned peopleughout the bay area that they could be turning off the power again, and the shut off could be as large and last longer th the one we saw earlier in october. In that sense, the regulators want pg to take a more surgical approach to the power shutoffs. The first round was perhaps too broad. Could you tell me what type of improvements theyve made . How is the communication going . We have behearing from pg e. The website has stayed up. Off right now. Hrough power shut people can access the website hee to get notifications. During a marathonmeeting, the Public Utilities commission heard about a lot of problems, especially around communication. We heard that during the larger power shut off, there were up to 1000 people from different s governmeroughout california, on one line trying to have answers. Pg es word thatthings would be better, and they were listening to the local governments see how was going. Tell me about the baseline customers for pg e. Whare they . Does pg e have a legal obligation all . One of the big concerns of pele have is for people in the Disabilities Community when the power is shut off, and those in need assistance. People th has to ore breastmilk or take medications that need to be refrigerated. We have people that may have problems if it gets really hot. We are having high temperatures in some areas. Pe all of these le need electricity. The problem with the medical baseline, it isa program to assess whether you should have a lower utility bill. It has nothing to do with whether you need electricity or not. Earlier this summer, the ty director of saat the californiaco ittee, said it should never be used for emergencies. It over counts and undercount who is disabled at the same time. For instance, if your landlord pays your medical bill, you cannot be part ba medical line. You may need your cpap machine. Lets bring you into the conversation, two weeks ago, he sparked a debate on the eve of the first Power Outages, we tweeted out to the city of berkeley, asking them, what wasl th to help people d who not have the means or ability to evacuate . How did that happen . What was theiresponse . I innocently posed the qution to the city i did expect a really good response from the city of berkey that has a history of great disability advocacy, and s heightened awareof disability issues. I really wanted to know what the city was prepared to do they had a very disappointing resplkse, that basically, that needed to be evacuated were on their own, and needed to figure a way ou to get to electricity, or things they might need in the event of a power shut off. If people really did not have the ability to do that, that they should call 91 want to be taken to an emergency room. That was a really inappropriate response. City had planned a bit better, and would ve a space, or shelter set up for folks that could access restrooms, and charge wheelchairs, and have caretakers come and go to help them as they needed. It does not thsound like happened at all. I spoke to a 62yearold living in the east bay. She is on breathing machine 24 7. She has many medical devices that she has to ketrack of. Se told me, she was scared due to this co licated nature of trying to find somewhere that was accessible thatshe could afford. On top of that, she had an d 85yearregiver, who was her mother. It was a tireal tough for her during the situation. Her gh situation ghts the need to put a spotlight on disabled folks, d these Power Outages. Do you thinpg e is ing enough . No, i dont think any of us feel that pg e is doing enough in every aspect in terms of the shutoffs. Certainly not taking enough siresplity for people who are going to be the most severe impacted by the shutoffs that will continue for who knows how long. I think, to push the responsibility onto the cities and expect them to deal with it, without havi any culpability is not acceptable. I do know that she did not have experience having an outage. As a person with a disability, what are your fears ring a power outage . Using myself as an example, i am someone who has caretakers that assist me with my daily needs. I have to haveaccess to. Electricity. I dont easi have access to transportation. That could take somewhere where i could be safe. I am one example of so many people that have various at mobility issues require having access to electricity and cessible space. So unpredictable, and they ing do it or will they not . It will create a lot of chaos in people lives, who ordinarily have to p their lives to figure out their care for the day. This weekend wi Alameda County facing shutoffs, what you plan to do . Fortunately, so far, my area of berkeley is not in the scheduled shut off zone. I am okay. I worry out my fellow berkeley residents that are in the hills and other areas that will impacted. I still dont know what will happen with those folks that really need to help. Lisa, seems with the California Senate, with all of these issues with lockou they are investigating pg e. Process, and the serious issues that went along with it. Can you give us an update on the investigation . Yes, we learneyesterday that the California Senate will meet and look into the power shutoffs and how they are they said they want to do it quickly, because we are fill e season. We will be in fire season until it starts raining again. Wh they will look at is whether they want to leslate who will make the call to shut f the power. Soople say they dont think the utilities should be able to just shut off the power, which is how it works now. They should tell emergency responders, local and state they have to tell others as well. They go ahead and do thr. Afat, after it happens, they have to tell the regulator, and how they feel about it. Thats one reon why they are looking into this. When you see that, the California Public isutilities coon is investigating pg e. How is the investigation different from the california state senate. What the cpuc look at exactly what happened in the moments that we heard at the meeting from the president herself, and several commissioners that they were present while pg e was making these decisions. For instance, the president said she was in a room about the website, where they were trying to make decisions, and there was nobody senior enough to do thatthe time. Her experience came up during questioning of the executives. Early next week, they will receive an indent from pg e about damage done to the lines during the power sheyoffs. Will be able to levy a fine if they think utility did something incorrectly. What sort ofimport enforcement issue and power do they have. Can this change their behavior . They can issue a fine aunt they have done so in the past. Pg e is a convicted felon, due to their re in the san bruno disaster that left eight people dead. Also, they have a federal probation judge that is looking at all of this. Pg e has to deliver a report of about al this to the cpuc and probation judge next week, where we will learn more. Pg e says that outages could happen for more than a decade. They are in bankruptcy protection right now, due toth liability from the fires that were linked to their meant. Are theyesopening themseup to more liability in the future . How does that work . That depend who you talk to. Is thera question of, if somebody dies during a power shut off because they did not have power, who is responsible for that . Im not sure we really know. This is something thmelissa brought up. This is a question that many californians have. Wh is responsible . Is it pg e . Is it the local government . Is it old . Who make sure that we are safely shut off the power . this is a lot to think about. Thank you mh. On wednesday, facebooks ceo, Mark Zuckerberg faces get s goal lawmaon capitol hill before a hearing of the House Financial Services committee. He did defend the plan to launch Digital Currency that will help People Without Bank accounts quickly and securely send money. Meanwhile, 47 state attorneys general have gned onto vestigating the tech giant for anticompetive behavior. And, as the 2020 presidenial under pressure to police its platform for election interference efforts. Is eek, the company says they were removing 4 disinformation campaigns targeting voters in the united dates and abroad. Joining me now is marketwatch bureau chief and technology reeditor, owens, tech reporter at politico, nancy. She joins us via skype from washington, d. C. Can you tell me right now, the s lawmak summoned Mark Zuckerberg to capitol hill on wednesday. They wanted to talk to him about libra, facebooks new crypto currency. What were their concerns . Wihere are a range of concerns. Lawmakers mentioned things like the ability for the crypto currency to be used for terrorist activities, that sort of things. They worry about having the crypto currency that does not have government oversight, that could be used for nefarious purposes. At was one of the main stated objections. The real issue is, they dont trust Mark Zuckerberg or facebook. Thth feeds into concerns about this brandnew scheme that Mark Zuckerberg is proposing. Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg claims he will not go ahead s. With libra without Regulatory Approval. Inat is he anat . Are lawmakers buying it . No, one of the interesting points in his testimony, as you sa said we will not go ahead with their currency without Regulatory Approval . Which regulators does he need . There a basket of them in washvegton that might oversight over this. What does approval look like . They dont register the objections on paper to this new product . Is that good enough for them . There e signs that thatmight is seen on paper, pretty black andwhite. He did leave himself some wiggle room to go ahead with the project anyway. He was grilled on other issues including facebooks defense of free speech and defense that ey were not Police Political speech, including ads that were false. Obviously, the lawmakers have a lot of concerns. What can they do . That is a good question. They have yell and previously, right. This is not the first time that he has gone in front of a bunch of polhiicians on capitol and got yelled at for everything that facebook has done. What he is trying to do, and st his old tegy it seems, with the speech last week on speech and Free Expression at georgetown university, and this time, he is tried to angle himseldifferently. When this al broke, in cambridge analytical broke, and all these problems started happening on facebook. Lohe azed, profusely. He spoke about how difficult of an issue it was. Hes talked about the nuance of it. Now suddenly, you see a definite change. This year he stopped apologizing. He stopped discussing thos thingsnow, hes out there takin politicians a stance. He is telling ople, look, yo believe in free speech and expression, or you are against it. We are for free speech. You have to be on our side. With libra, the big thing was, if you donallow us to do this coming you are allowing china to do this. He sets it up as a blackand white issue, putting facebook on the good trside to to get people on his side again. This is a political stance of, there is a very nuanced tub to handle issue, but i will make it blackandwhe and put it seems like he has a larger strategy here. You think he will continue doing that . Yes. He will have earnings next week. He will do the same thing. He will hit the issues again, talking only about the good. He is not talking about the bad anymore. He is talking about the good. Here on out. Is nancy, you are on a press call with Mark Zuckerberg th monday. He said they were making progress when it came to ideng and responding to disinformation campaigns. Can you giveus an update on that . Yes, he laid out a range of things that facebook is done to address these concerns abd t disinformation election manipulationtr. Uced a lot of tools, mostly at power tools to detect fake accounts. A lot of thmisinformation come from accounts that are not valid to begin with. They have come a long way identify these accounts. He did go through a whole list of things. There is a president ial spending tracker that theyre rollopg out so can keep tabs on how much campaigns are spending on facebook ads, just to get a better sense of the full range of that universe. The most interesting thing the call was that it was him personally doing it. In the past, this would have be an election official at facebook doing it. He istaking a proactive approach. The fact that he is a public face of some of these in the weeds sues, it is showing that facebook is making an attempt present themselves as taking these issue seriously. He said that once or twice on the call. We are caught on the back foot in 2016. We will not enlet that ha again. 47 attorneys general have joined the antitrust investigation into facebook. Can you telle what they are looking for . It is not clear. The attorneys general have been thlk about the fact that tightlipped. They are launching the investigation. They dont go into details of what it is iney are lo for. That is one of the things as reporters, we are trying to report that out, as far as the nature of it. We know this is part of the probes, and the federal probes into facebook. One big thg they lookfor is companies that have engaged with facebook as being required by them to have a business relationship, and what those complaints are about facebook. Jeremy, n our attorney general has not signed up into this investigation. Yes. He has his own weapon coming online in january 2020. The california coumer privacy act is becoming law on january 1 , 2020. He will have an arrow in his iver that none of the other attorneys general ha. He is not publicly said why or why not he is doing this. I think he knows, in a few mnths, he will have the ability to go after facebook in a wa that none ofthe other states do. This is United States version of the gdp are. This is a Consumer Privacy act. California has their own. We did pathis as californians by valid. That comes online. He will be able to go after at facebook with if he wants to. I think he is probablywaiting for that to come online. Also, Elizabeth Warren is one of the most prominent voices, aski for facebook to be broken up. Can that happen . I think th would be a difficult thing for them to do. Evthey have some ence that they have used their position in an anticompetitive matter. I know snape has given over uinforoution it has what they facebook has done to try to copy what it has done, trying to drive it out of nebu. Doesnt solve any of the problems that we actually have . My Biggest Issue with facebook is the misinformation and disinformation campaigns. They are used as psycholocal warfare againsericans on the platform. Does breaking instagram apart from facebook do anything about that . Il no. Weface that. Youre talking about setting a standard. This is a punitive breakup. If you nnot prove th facebook is a monopoly, and using that monopoly power, then we will be breaking up a company in a way that we have not done before as a nation. We are settg a new andard that i dont know if we want to set. Nancy, will you weigh in on th well . You mentioned Elizabeth Warren, being explicit about the idea that in her administration, she would pull the trigger breakup these companies, google, amazon, facebook. The interesting thing she is doing, she is opening a window of the past latisse of the penalties and government retribution against these companies, so breakups are on one faend, but becomes a mainstream, middleoftheroad position to say, okay, we will limit the Business Practices of facebook. Maybe facebook cannot share instagram. N facebook just having the government dictate how the Companies Work in a way that they have not in the past, i dont even know, i have been reporting on this, whether the Campaign Things that breakup is the real way to go. The things she has said is defie field in a way, much more broadly to make this more of a mainstream conversation than other candidates have in the past. An will staytuned on this one. Thank you so much to nancy and jeremy. Last month,on the eve of the United NationsGlobal Climate summit, millions of young people around the world skip school to demand action on Climate Change. Leading the charge was greta thunberg, 16yearold activist leaders at the Climate Summit with anger, defiance, and frustration. Its not justyoung people who are fearful and worried about droughts, and mass extinctions. Psychologists and therapists are increasinglyseeing the toll that Climate Change has on Mental Health. Helping the patient turned despair into resilience, joining me now is our health reporter, lauric livens. For an increasing number of people, Climate Change has beco the scary part their lives. We have seen pg e having mandatory Power Outages and the kincaid fire that is burning in sonoma county. One of the reactions to these reports, and people tend to turn offthe news. They turn away from consuming any information. Why is that . That correct. Itis because it is such an overwhelming and scary issue. When the smoke was cloaking the was a very fearful time for many people. The ways of people are managing the fear are largely a way to defend themselves. One could be just totally ays. Igalring it and , going about business as usual. Another is to distract yourself. Last night, watched the Great British baking show. I think people are doing similar things to that. Many times, people take the role of a child s these ty of situations. This is a description that one of the therapists i spoke to gave to me. We are puing the responsibility on somebody else. We say, a politician will take care of it. Co any will take care of it. Also, many people are putting steak in lla silver solution. We will develop some technology to get us out of this mess. I think wrapped up all of this is so guilt wefeel. We are participating in the systems. We know they are creating the problem. That is a hard team to hold in your mind. Absolutely. In your reporting, you refer to the feelings of being overwhelmed, being anxious, feeling despondent over Climate Change, calling it, eco anxiety. Thise. S a climate gr can you tell me with a view of therapists and psychologicls are abouate change, and how it Impacts Mental Health . Is this a growing concern as well . Yes, it is. I have heard that from all therapists i have spoken to. They are seeing this more and ways. Ent actices in people come in with tension, grief, sadness, and particularly wn the reports come out about w dire th situation is with Climate Change and global warming. They are seeing is arou the large events. They are also working with folks that have something that is not even ecoanxiety, but a ptsd from anevent. Ybe youve let a fire, now you have trauma that you need to work through. At Therapist Office is good place to do that. We have known about Climate Change for decades. Why is ecoanxiety just now being recognized . What do you think the events have been that has triggered this awareness . Because the issue is so huge , and itwas so hard to understand and wrap our human minds around. It was not clear how this would hot affect us in the future. It is tough for people to the future and except that this would happen. Now, we are eing this mo because we are feeling a more. We feel it with the smoke. We feel it with ngthe floo we feel it, when we have nehbors coming down to stay with us because they might be evacuating their homes. In this happening in our lives now. That is why, right now, we are seeing this more. People are in a place eywhere re needing to face this. How is ecoanxiety different or similar to treating someone who might have anxiety or depression . It is different, because this anxiety, a clinical anxiety is one that might be around something that is an irrational ar. This is based something that is actually happening. It is scary to go outside and worry about the arair you breathing, or the air your children are breathing. This is different on how he treated. Normally would manageit, because the problem will not go away. It is, how do we create people who are more resilient and more they have around thisissue . How should parents talk to kids about Climate Change . That dovetailhowell with we should all be addressing and managing these kisues. Fo, talking to them about Climate Change, this is a good thing to upbring. This is actually happening. It ialso helpfuto keep it fairly simple, so it is understandable for kids. It is very fuhe to do what i would recommend, based on what e i have d from all of these different Mental Health folks for adults to address this as well. We can learn ablet the pr know it is happening, and talk about it so there is not a this is trgoing on. It. We need to address our feelings. There will be sad feelings. There will be anxious feelings that come up. It is okay to have fethese ings. We need to acknowledge them in order to move through them. We need to gear that energy to action. S thiswhat we are seeing when kids go out on the streets. I dont want to put this fear into my tears only. I want to take action. That is something that adults can do as well. One thing i want to say that is really important about all of this, because the issue is so huge, it has to be addressed as a group. One persn will feel very isolated trying to chke on an enormous issue. The power of a group is really important. It rmsounds like empot is super important. Also, taking action. Because the issue is very urgent, and we cannot turn away from it, if we are expecting to go forward, and not the fire sasons like this, we have to take action. Thank you so much, that is that will do it for us. As always, you can find more coverage at kq. Org. Thank you for joining us. Robert explosive testimony upends the impeachment debate. President trump this was the worst hoax in the history of our country. Robert President Trump launches out at democrats. As they lauh an investigate and republicans storm an impeachment hearing. 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