Administrationunveiled a new regulation that would allow for the indefinite detention of migrant families crossing the border. If approved, the rule atwould elime a key part of a 1997 the detention of unaccompanied minors to 20 days in feral custody. Administration officials argue the new rule is necessary to deter mass migration at the border, but it is lily to face legal challenges from e aclu, which denounced the move as yet another cruel joining me now to discuss this is university of San Francisco law professor bill yang and immigration editor hendrix. Welcome to yoboth of professor, the new rule, it published today. What happens next . E a federal juhas to approve it. What is the process . As we speaactually being filed challenging the new proposed regulation, and the government will respond and the judge, the federal judge overseeing the case, will hear arguments very soon and make a decision on whether or not the regulations are consiste with the settlement agreement. For people who dont know there is a key Court Settlement from 1997 in play here. It established this 20 day limit on detaing migrant children. Can you explain at . Absolutely. Back in the Clinton Administration there was a legal settlement the basically said children are thvulnerable. Are not the same as adults, and immigration it needs to care for them with the Child Welfare standards in the settlement favors release of children as quickly as possible, keeping them in the least restrictive setting aspossible, it a facility licensed for childcare by the state. It also gave oversight to the plaintiffs attorneys torepresenting the kids be able to go in and monitor and make sure that conditions were okay. So that, under e Obama Administration there we more families coming, and they set up these Family Detention Centers that i. C. E. Was running, and the judge said those are not licensed for childcare. That is not an appropriate place for kids, it is more of ai jail like. The government said we need at least 20 days probably to get these kids placed in a proper facili get them released. And the ninth Circuit Court of appeals affirmed that 20 days it would be acptable if yo are moving with, you know, Due Diligence and in good faith to put them in a more appropriate situation. So that is where the 20 day thing came from. Professor, what with the elimination of this 20 day limit lead to . It would lead to the possibility, honestly, of indefinite detention because they can release, they can turn these families over in atheory state licensed facility, but that was the problem that the federal government had. Cilities for family ensed of detention. Children who are alone, unaccompanied children, they do get turned over to state license cilities, but not families. That is why the 20 days constricted the government. Actually had to release folks. The been releasing many of these families with ankle monitors for exame. But nothe government is proposing that they want to keep them longer because they presumably need more time to take care of resettlement, but the Trump Administration has admitted that really this is they want tosend a message to migrants that you should not come here because you may end up being incustody for a long time. I want to ask you about that in a second, but i want to ask first, do you think that tethes on centers, as they are established now, are equipped to house families, lots of families, for a long time . There are about three of these facilities, the biggest ones texas, i think they can hold about 3000 people altogether, 3000 beds for parents and kids. I think if theyre going to do this indefinite thing, they would need more space. And, you ow, child advocate say that detaining children, even if they are with their parents, is harmful dsfor so as the professor said, detention isnt requed. The toadministration says they want to hold people while asylum proceedings go forward, but those cases can take years, and the courts are very backlogged. So lets get back to this issue of trying to send a message. I heard a white house spokesperson llbasisaying e flores settlement incentivized immigration, a family or a family sized group shows up at the border, owey hey will be detained for 20 days and then basically released into the country to await trial. There and, it is all jogood, theiney has all been worth it. Is this what you have seen . Absolutely not. If that were ulue i t feel so bad about what is going on, but at the clinic we have at the university of San Francisco we have over 300 cases, anhalf ofthose are family units. I went to honduras in march and spoke with families that were thinking ofleaving, and volunteered at the border in tijuana. These folks are fleeing because of desperate circumstances. Disneyland. Coming their fleeing violence, gains, cartels and s many ca domestic violence. In my experience, these folks are not coming just for a walk Congress Approved 4. 8 billion an emergency humanitarian aid. The earmarked funds to improve conditions in immigration detention facilities based in part on what the professor and other immigratiopoattorneys ed seeing at a facility that housed migrant kids, ong with removing the limit on detaining migrant families, what with this new rule affect the conditions at the facilities where migrant families are being ld . I think one of the other big changes that would happened, if and the flores settlement goes away, than the oversight that these plaintiffs attorneys on behalf of the children have an that thfederal judge has to make sure that conditions are up to par and are appropriate for kids, that oversight goes away. The lawyers, like the profsor, have been able to go inside the facilities and talk to children, and that would not exist anymore. So also without the requiremen that the facilities be license for childcare by a state like the California Health and Human Services folks, then it is the federal government doing its own licensing, and there are concerns that there is not as much independent oversight of conditions. Immigration, stopping it essentiay, has been the banner dont give ground issue for the Trump Administration. U see ylany ht for a compromise . A conversation that leads to President Trump, democrats, immigrant advocates coming togetherand making somesort of compromise that ratchets down the rhetoric that we hear so often about immigration . I wish i could be more hopeful. In my opinion, this is about trump trying to play to his base. It doesnt have to be anbeling these mi a National Security risk. Actually could be doinwhat was happening prior to 2014. I am saying this about , esident obama as weit is become a pejorative term, but catch and release worked. People were arrested, taken into detention but process very quickly. They were sent along your way because i. C. E. Knows where folks are going. They have the names, addresses of relatives. There is a very high appearance e ray. So peowere not absconding. Until we recognize the humanitarian nature of really why people are leaving, i dont think that theres going to be e room for tiation unless that kind of rhetoric is ratcheted down . University San Francisco law editor. Igration thanks both of you for joining us. By now most students in the bay area are back in hool after the summer break, but these days a lot of students are struggling with anxiety on top acof their emics, whether it is the pressure to perform llacademically, online ng, or Mass Shootings on campus and in public spaces, triggers for feeling overwhelmed or anxious about. Parents and teachers caalso miss warning signs and struggle with how best to help. Joining me now is katrina schwartz, the cohostof the mind shift podcasts and jenelle scott, a professor at Uc Berkeley Graduate School of education. Welcome to you thboth. K you. Katrina, i can remember when in 10th grade i realized hithat school is hard. I had a history class that i loved. I love to the teacher, and i oi wasnt well in it. I was struggling. So i got really anxious about it. T in your nd shift podcasts as we, i get the sense the anxiety that you were focung e kids anxious about today . I think is or anxious about a lot of things, and it is kind different for every kid, but youre right that we are not just talking about stress, were talking about a debilitatiiety. A condition that gets in the way of stuff like work and school and social life. Some kids thare dealing academic pressure, but other kids are dealing with worrying about their families and what is going on in the immigration system or violence in their neighborhoodeior disappointing parents. It is very different. It depends on the kid. In the podcast you spend time with an El Cerrito High School student, Brianna Parrish of. I want to play a clip of herdescribing how anxiety would overtake her. I started thking about my mom, like, she needs better and i should be doing this and i am not doing and i start to panic. And then i cant breeze, and then i get shaky. And i end up a ball on the floor just trying to get my breathing back ontrack. Wow. That is very overwhelming, paralyzing. How she doing now . It is heartbreaking, isnt it . Shes doing a lot better. Her anxiety really will along with her depression. She was really good at hiding all of that, but when they at school she had a panic attack and her first period teacher took her e a plat the school, a Wellness Center, the did jamesmoorhouse potter, and she was able to see a counselo over time she delved and some of her issues, took care of some of her depression and also shher anxiety. Is actually going to Community College this year. Awesome. Jenelle scott, we are hearing a lot about online bullying, other expressions of hate that students, when they go to school, have thto deal and process. Is this something that academics are tracking . Yes. Certainly. I think when we think drout ch and adolescents in school today, we have toth understandr living at this nexus of school, society, home and social media. Given the climate in which we are ving in our society in which we are seeing hate speech and messages abound, certainly students are brthging much of to school, and so, there was a recent study out of ucla the tracked nationolly represented scprincipals and found that over 60 of the principals reported hearing antiimmigrant sentiments from their high school students. At school. That is just a small sample. We see here similar things about transgender , studenand racist messages at school. Violence is also an issue on a School Campus in public spaces, as a mentioned. Students have to be inking about this. How are School Districts awareness, but also management of that awareness for the potential of violence . Right. With the rise of Mass Shootings and School Shootings in particular, distri engage in active shooter drills, we have seen some of those displayed in the media tr around the co but i think the consideration is whether those drills actually raise anxiety or alleviate xiety. Districts i think are really figuring this out as they go along. There taking a look at their school security, cking gates, having visitor check ins. All d ese things aiat keeping children safe, but i think attending to the social and emotional needs of the chdren at the sametime as we think about the physical safety is something districts are still very much working throh. Weve beenhearing a lot about the presence of perhaps more Police Officers on campus. I imagine that cuts both ways for some students. Certainly. For racially minor ties to students who have come of age and in era in which we are seeing Police Violence targeted towards children who look like them, the presence of more police is not necessarily a comfort for those students. Because we have highly segregated schools by race and socioeconomic status, we often sewhthose schools e minority students attend are more likely to have metal detectors for example that stud ts need to wathrough, armed police. We also see a disproportionate rate of discipline and punishment for those students in those schools. So again, it is the sort of, you kn, intention toprotect students can actually make the feel left safe at school. Katrina, are schools, parents even, ready, adapt at detecting anxiety . Li unmanageable anxiety in i students . Think this is a really tricky issue because anxiety can look like a lot of things. For example, it looks like procrastination. Art looks like poor time so management. You can imagine as a parent of a high school student, you are just thinking, do your hou work. Why are starting your homework . But really might be they cant. There really struggling to even ey are avoiding it because they know they are going to be having a really hard time with a. So i think the psychologists i talked to really emphasized trying to have a collaborative approach with your kid, being isrious about what going on. Rather than just jumping to the conclusion of your lazy and not doing your homework, y to sa what is going on, why are you feeling this way. Together maybe we can come up with some solutions and strategies to handle the anxiety. The same gors with teacas well. Anxiety can look like, you know, defiance. It can look like just messing around in clas it is very hard to see these things correctly identified. I know you were a teacher in the oaklanunified School District for a while. One of the issues that i know is on the stminds of ents and parents and even teachers is the fact that some schools may be closing. Is this something that you think is contributing anxiet certainly inthe district the, there has been a t. Recommendation by a state sanctioned organization to close up to 24 schools in the near future. The district is taking a slower approach that. The d ideas to put more resources infewer schools, but the process by which schools are being slated to close is fairly opaque and has raised a t of anxiety for students, parents and teachers. Katrina, you mentioned a Wellness Center and a program atEl Cerrito High School. That offers me some hope that hools are trying to figure out what they can do about this, but what other resources are out there . For example the talked about making the passing periods a little bit longer so students werent quite so rushed between classes. Or moving to a black schedule were stints only have four seven. Per semester instead of fewer thto worry about. Just concentrate on those few. There are macro ways. In addition, there do things like runng anxiety groupsto make sure that students dont feel alone, that they know there are other people and they g with this, are getting strategies for how to manage. Kqcohost of ed mind shift at uc ts and a professor Berkeley Graduate School of education, thank you very tomuc ou both. To hear more of the interview with students about their struggles with anxiety, go to kqed. Org. In the north pole a web series streaming on youtube, Benny Ramirez and his for ieree s face challenges and forge Creative Solutions as they navigate life in North Oakland. Their journey is both humorous and poignant, pushed and pulled by timely struggles ranging change and immigration in a politically polarized america. N actor rosario daserves as executive producer and stars in the upcoming Second Season. Joining me now are the north pole director, cowriter and cocreator and son ta go rosa who plays betty. Welcome. For people who are just learning about the north pole, h is this series and what inspired it . I would call it a drama the. R very comedic ch to very dramatic issues facing all of us today. It follows forming characters, three locals from North Oakland, and how they deal with in the first season gentrification, jobs versus health, all these things are affecting our community. And the metaphorshof the is really, when i was growing up and going to high school in oaklan in the baarea, that neighborhood, North Oakland was called the north pole. Was a hiphop ng that my ll peers were ing each other polar bears. So since we addressed a lot of Climate Change also on her thshow, that is main metaphor, the locals of this neighborhood are being displaced in the same a polar bears are being displaced the north pole. That is what we pl with a little bit. Wow. I will confess i moved to North Oakland three years ago from another part of california, and i had no idea that it was king actually called the north polele the pewho had been there for a long time were called polar bears. I cant be called ara polar but i actually think this would be a good moment to show a clip of santiago rosa in acon as betty since he is actually talking about polar bears in this clip. Please brother the polar bears. Excuse me madam. Glutenfree, dairy free, organically commerce. Are plane creatures are under attack. Save the polar bears. Save the environment. Saver sales. Do the donations go to support the arctic penguins tweak the actually piglets are found in at thatto get down on the sell side. We dont have them up north, but lucky for you, we got love for both this program. Thats great. You must be having a blast. What drew you to it . You know, first of all i heard about the gig on sf casting, a local for actors. When i hed about it, it was right up my alley because it talks a lot about social justice. It talks a lot about issues that, for me, are familiar. I studied at Arizona State university and got a degree in social justice, and so, as actor whenever you work on a something, it is a nobrainer. So for me, when i heard about what they were talking about, what the message was, i had to audition for it. In the audition process was awesome. I went in there and just was myself, and a i had lot of fun doing amedy, comic situations a is is come at a very very serious issues. I wonder if you work hard to avoid caricature. Because caricature, stereotypes, very tempting in a situation when youre trying to make comedy. Th is this sog as an actor youre working hard to avoid . You know why . Training. Rateful for my i stacting here in San Francisco. One of the things that they really stress is just truth. R me, whateverwork on a roll, it is not about making a character, it is bout making a foresighted character. It is about being real, just like us. If you think about it, like u are creating a human being. And just like, you know, human beings are all complex people. You know, so we laugh and cry, and for me, it definitely was about the truth, the truth of the situation, the truth of al what is going out there in the world. So for me, like, it wajust an opportunity to, you know, help guide the story and be as hone and truthful as possible. Can i ask you as the director and cocreato is avoiding caricature important in conceptualizing and building the show . Absolutely. It is harder when youre depicting people you disagree with. People you think ete the ta of a lot of her complaints. Definitely. I think it is about humanizing these stories. Also attracted folks to experience the show who might i totally agree about everything. So i think showing complexity, both for those with you disagree with and also the show features folks of color. I think a lot of times you start to see more and mofi in , folks of color acting performing, but theyre usually onedimensional or two dimensional characters. You know, we tried to dispy that ware humans, and we can go from being really intellectual and will moment to switching and being something goofy and playful or esmore agve. Obligated characters. One of the executive producers of the north pole is actually a ment ofit called mo generationwho are they, and wha bring to a production like this . T is a very unique collaboration. I think very few filmmakers hae ever experienced this collaboration with a nonprofit creating a fictional work. What they bring isa story that matters. In order to change the issues, care about the people that are involved and affected. And more to practical terms, lets say we were talking in the Second Season ere dressing wildfires as a subtext, and so, as creators we are like, okay, this can hacoen, whatever we with up, storylines weeping to them d they address, this is not that realistic. Would be more practical for us to use an acal movement building. Its a collaboration in the Creative Process to make it actually have a life outside of the screen. To actually really be useful for people in grassroots movements. Santiago, youre not from oakland. Yvonne, you we to school oakland. Oakland seems in the show to be a character. It is not just taking place in oakland, t is it a character in your mind that plays a part in the show . Absolute not just in what you see, but the energy of oakland really pushes and pulls these characters to react to the world around them. You know, we have an actual polar bear in the show. The ir animal of this neighborhood. And so, i think and a lot of my work, oakland definitely with its history of social justice, you know, something happens in the country, thursday march in oakland. There is a gathering. And musically in terms of the arts, oakland actually deadly has a flavor that we are projecting in the show. Yvonne and santiago, participants, producers, actors in the north pole show. Thanks very much for joining me. As 2 of the north pole premier september 10. Until then, you can catch up on season number on and itis worth a. Streaming now thenorthpoleshow. Com but that will do it for us. As always, you can find moreouo coverage on kqed. Org. Thanks for joining us. Robert whiplash on the economy as President Trump clashes with his critics. On robert costa. Welcome to washington week. President trump payroll tax is something we think about, a lot of people wouldikeo see that im not looking at a tax cut now, we dont need it. We have a strong economy. 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