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Hundreds of thousands of federal employees went back to work today, after congress ended a threeday government shutdown. There were questions about what comes next. Under the deal, Senate Republicans got debate protection for young immigrants brought here illegally. Party leaders Chuck Schumer and Mitch Mcconnell spoke about a potential deal today. The clock is ticking. Leader mcconnell made a promise, not just to democrats, but to republicans as well. We expect him to keep his word to the body. Well, well see. laughs you know. Were going to have a fair and open process that will give everyone an opportunity to participate, and well see. Woodruff Schumers Office said today that he has withdrawn an offer to support funding for a border wall in negotiations over an immigration bill. And this morning, President Trump tweeted that nobody knows for sure if a deal is even possible. Later, the white house said that an earlier, bipartisan immigration bill should be declared dead on arrival. The nation has had its first fatal School Shooting of 2018. Police in western kentucky say a 15yearboy killed two classmates, a boy and a girl, with a handgun today. It happened at Marshall County high school in benton. 17 other students were hurt, most of them with bullet wounds. This is something that struck in the heart of kentucky, and its not far away. Its here, and it hits home. I have a 15yearold daughter, and i think about that. We have two 15yearold High School Students that have been killed, just showing up to go to school, and how tragic that is. It doesnt get any worse than that. Woodruff the accused shooter was arrested, and will be charged with murder and attempted murder. There is no word yet on a motive. A powerful earthquake triggered tsunami alerts from southern alaska to california early today. There was no damage, and the alerts were lifted hours later. The quake measured 7. 9 and struck 175 miles southwest of alaskas kodiak island, deep beneath the pacific ocean. Footage on social media showed the moment the tremor hit, and long lines of cars as people headed for higher ground. Meanwhile, another earthquake shook indonesia, killing one person. It struck the island of java, including the capital, jakarta, and people fled highrise buildings for the streets. Officials say hundreds of homes and other buildings were damaged. Two volcanoes are also causing chaos along the pacific rim. In the philippines today, mount mayon fired jets of lava and huge ash plumes into the sky. More than 50,000 people have fled since eruptions began last week, and more left today. translated i heard people screaming. That is why i went out of our house and looked at mayon volcano. I saw thick smoke descending, and everyone was shouting and looking for their children to evacuate. Woodruff and in central japan, an eruption rained volcanic rocks onto a military ski training exercise. One soldier was killed. The u. S. State department confirmed today that multiple americans were killed in saturdays Taliban Attack in afghanistan. Gunmen stormed the Intercontinental Hotel in kabul, took hostages and shot it out with security forces. Officials say 22 people died, including 14 foreigners. Back in this country, President Trump formally imposed 30 to 50 tariffs on imported solar panels and washing machines. At a signing ceremony, he said that it will protect american jobs and benefit consumers, but some u. S. Solar Companies Said just the opposite. The u. S. Senate this evening confirmed Jerome Powell to chair the board of the federal reserve. He will succeed janet yellen. And on wall street today, the Dow Jones Industrial average lost three points to close at 26,210. The nasdaq rose 52 points, and the s p 500 added six. This years Oscar Nominations are in. Leading the way the monster romance the shape of water with 13 nominations. Best director nominees include jordan peele for get out and greta gerwig for lady bird. He would be the first black to win. She would be only the second woman. And, mudbounds Rachel Morrison is the first woman nominated for cinematography. U. S. Senator Tammy Duckworth has announced today that she is pregnant with her second child. The illinois democrat is 49. She would be the first sitting senator to give birth. Duckworth lost both legs in the iraq war as an Army Helicopter pilot. And, the acclaimed Science Fiction writer ursula k. Le guin died on monday at her home in portland, oregon. Her works, including the earthsea series and the left hand of darkness, have been translated into more than 40 languages and sold millions of copies. Ursula k. Le guin was 88 years old. Still to come on the newshour republican senator Susan Collins on dealing with democrats post shutdown. And, much more. Woodruff there were multiple developments today connected to the russia investigation. The Washington Post reports that special Counsel Robert Mueller plans to question President Trump about why he fired former National Security adviser, Michael Flynn and former f. B. I. Director, james comey. This, hours after the department of justice confirmed attorney general Jeff Sessions faced questions just last week. Here is Jeffrey Brown to help piece together what we know now. Brown the attorney general is the first trump cabinet member to sit down with Robert Muellers team. We also learned today that former f. B. I. Director james comey was questioned by the special counsels office last year. The New York Times reported that this afternoon. And, washington investigations editor Mark Mazzetti joins me now. So mark, we have attorney general sessions last week. We have james comey last year. What does this tell us, if anything, about the state of the probe . Well, it certainly says that muellers team is looking pretty closely at this question of obstruction of justice. Did President Trump since he took office try to impede the ongoing f. B. I. Investigation into russia and later the investigation taken over by mueller . Did he try to impede it with regards to Michael Flynn . Did he try to impede it when he fired james comey . And so sessions and, of course comey himself, would be critical witnesses to try to answer these questions. But its not just the obstruction issue. Recall that sessions was also a key Campaign Adviser for donald trump, and so the question of was there any collusion, was there. What was the extent of contact with the russians, sessions would also be able to speak to that question. Brown he was a key cam feign adviser on Foreign Affairs specifically. Thats right. And he sort of ran the Foreign Affairs team, a team that has several members that have already been examined by mueller and f. B. I. Because of their contacts with the russians. George papadopoulos, carter page, flynn himself. Sexes was running that group. And there were key meetings in the spring and summer of 2016 that mueller would want to ask sessions about. Brown there is also, as judy said earlier, new reports that mr. Mueller wants to talk to President Trump. Do we know anything more about timing . You know, reports have come out in the past few weeks that mueller in the coming weeks and months will want to talk to trump. Obviously we knew he would. The new report today in the post was that it would be or could come in a matter of a few weeks. That certainly is very interesting. It would certainly indicate that mueller is beginning to, you know, perhaps wrap up the investigation because trump would in normal circumstances be the last witness. You would want to interview the president last, because he would be. You know, you might only get one shot at him. So this is not normal times, so i dont want the make any prediction, but certainly he would want to ask President Trump about the obstruction question, about the flynn and comey issue, as we just discussed. Hed want to ask about any possible collusion. There would be any number of things to talk to the president about, and the president and his legal team would obviously want to have their ducks in a row before that happens. Brown another development here is the report that the attorney general has been pressuring f. B. I. Director Christopher Wray to fire his deputy, andrew mccabe. And further that the f. B. I. Director has threatened to rezane himself if the pressure doesnt stop. What do we know or not know about all this . Its unclear whether wray did threaten to resign, but there is no question there has been this tension, in part because wray was put in after comey fired, and yet he inherited a lot of comeys team. The white house and attorney general sessions have sort of made no secret about the fact that they thought comey and his team were partisan and to some degree corrupt. So the question of how much wray should clean house at f. B. I. Has been a point of tension. Certainly wray would want to at some point pout his own team in place. I think the question of the pace at which he did that and how much pressure from above to fire comeys aide, thats really the issue, and the become dop of this, of course, is overriding tension between President Trump and the f. B. I. President trump made no secret about the fact that he thinks the rank and file of f. B. I. And the Senior Leadership has been very part accident and against him. Brown no secret. Thats continued. Mark mazzetti of the New York Times, thanks very much. Thank you. Woodruff with these new revelations about Robert Mullers investigation coming to light, we turn now to a republican member of the Senate Intelligence committee, Susan Collins of maine. She also played a key role in building bipartisan agreement which led to the governments reopening monday night. We started with what these latest reports on mueller say about the state of his investigation. It suggests to me that the special counsels investigation is proceeding. Usually the lowerlevel witnesses are interviewed first, and then the special counsel works his way up the chain, if you will, to the most important figures. So it suggests to me that perhaps the investigation is nearing a conclusion in terms of the interviews. Woodruff meantime, i have to ask you about whats going on in the house. House republicans on the Intelligence Committee are calling into question whats going on at the f. B. I. , casting their objectivity into question, calling for an investigation into missing Text Messages. Are you supportive of what the House Republicans are doing . I dont think its helpful to cast doubt on the investigations that are under way. Having said that, i share their concern about the six months of missing Text Messages between the two f. B. I. Employees, which apparently contained political comments in the midst of the investigation that was done into Hillary Clintons emails. Thats troubling that all of a sudden six months worth of text mesages have gone missing. I dont think thats a reason to cast doubt about the entire f. B. I. , but it is sufficient reason for the Inspector General to get involved, and its my understanding that Inspector General horwitz has begun an investigation. Woodruff let me turn now, senator, to immigration. You were a part of that Bipartisan Group that helped come up with an agreement between republicans and democrats in the senate to get the government reopened, to come up with a plan to bring up immigration. But here we are 24 hours later. Were already hearing the president tweeting that hes not sure theres going to be a deal at the white house today, press secretary Sarah Sanders was saying the president would insist on various things. Do you feel whatever deal there might have almost been is already coming apart . New york i really dont. You know, theres going to be a meeting tomorrow and a meeting the following day to talk about the specifics of an immigration bill. And those are bipartisan meetings. And i believe that what we in the senate have to do is our job, and our job is to concentrate on producing legislation. We know that we have a crisis as far as the dreamer population, which is protected under the deferred action for Childhood Arrivals Program being at risk of deportation after march 5th. I know a very few members of the senate who want to see that happen because these are young people who are breakthrough to the country through no decision of their own, and they should not be living in fear. We also do need to strengthen border security. We know that there is a flood of drugs, particularly a potent kind of heroin, coming into this country from mexico, and my state is one of those thats been afflicted by that crisis. Woodruff well, almost everywhere you look, senator, even if there is some kind of agreement in the senate, and weve had now senator schumer saying he withdraws the offer to fund the wall that he made to the president last week, but you look at the house. You have conservatives putting forward a list of demands today, a large group of conservatives saying they are not going to go along with any kind of amnesty, that there has to be an end to chain migration. Then you have progressive, people supporting these young daca immigrants saying, no, it has to be in the exact opposite direction. No matter what the senate does, this is still going to be very hard to do, isnt it . It is. Im not minimizing how difficult the task before us is. But that doesnt mean that we should not proceed. And my belief is that if we can come up with a bill in the senate that gets 60 votes, that it would give momentum for the house to act and for the president to take a very close look at it. So thats my hope and there are a lot of people who share that goal. Keep in mind that our Common Sense Coalition by monday, just yesterday, had 26 members of both parties who were committed to ending this shutdown and moving ahead on immigration. Woodruff but senator, i mean, just very quickly here, this is a tough. This is such a tough issue. On the one hand you have people saying no amnesty, no path to citizenship under any circumstances, and on the other hand, you have people saying there must be a path to citizenship. How do you cut that down the middle. Well, it seems to me you distinguish between those who knowingly broke the law when they came here and their children, who did not knowingly break the law. And in one of the bills that has been advanced, the way that the parents who did break the law would be treated is they would not be made citizens but would be allowed to have renewable work permits to stay in this country but would not ever be allowed to be citizens. That may not be the perfect answer, but there are a lot of different variations, and i think we can make those distinctions. Woodruff you have all of 16 days to get it done. Senator Susan Collins, thank you very much. Thank you. Woodruff stay with us. Coming up on the newshour a sheriff who supports undocumented immigrants, in a county that voted for President Trump. The pope comes under fire for comments about sexual abuse. And, remembering the father of south african jazz. Woodruff but first, as we reflect on President Trumps first year in office, lets check back in with some familiar faces. I sat down last night with a group of six voters in the swing state of virginia. Thank you all, again, for talking with us. We do appreciate it very much. A yearandahalf later from the conversation we had with five of you in august of 2016. So im going to start this evening with our host, the gentleman whose home were having this conversation in, bill lupinacci. Thank you very much for having us here. Lets just start with the basic question how do you think things are going in this country right now . I dont think theyre going very well at all. I didnt want trump to be the new president. And i think a lot of things have gone wrong since hes become the president. Woodruff cory sullivan, you said when we talked to you a year and a half ago you were planning to vote for donald trump. How do you think things are going right now . I have a much more positive outlook, at least financially. I think we had a huge progressive win in our tax reform with the tax and jobs act. Woodruff peter hamill, what about you . You were a supporter of hillary clinton. How do things look to you right now . Well, im surprised and in the surprised. Im disturbed and i was concerned about his temperament last year before the elections, and im even more now concerned about his mental stability and whether he is fit to lead the country. Woodruff and allison katzmann, you liked donald trump when we last talked. Uhhuh. Woodruff whats your sense of how things are going under his presidency . Im very, very excited and happen pimp im glad that we finally have somebody who is leading this country who is not going to let us be played for a sucker as a nation as we have in the past. Its about time we had somebody that stood up for the american people. Im looking for opportunities to find a reason to believe that were going to pull through as a country, but at the same time, im surprised by the fact that we have someone who is the leader of our country who is just unabashedly tearing the constitution apart, who has no regard for social constitution and humanitarianism. Woodruff you voted for hillary clinton. You were not a trump supporter. What do you think . I wasnt looking forward the a Trump Presidency for sure, but i dont think i could have imagined anything worse, and i feel like i have never seen the u. S. So isolated in the world. Back at home, on one hand, you know, after obama, we saw the end of racism. Now we know that was hardly the fact. I think its been helpful to see just how strong racism is and that its a minority. Its a significant minority, but its a minority of people who are really challenging the bedrock of our national assumptions about equality and justice. Woodruff cory, i want to come back the you on the economy. Several of you have brought it up. You say thats one of the things youve liked. Have you felt that personally, the economy . Absolutely. Just as an example, my childrens 529 plans have didnt amazing in the last year to the tune of north of 20 return. My 401 k has done 25 to 30 last year. These are all wonderful, positive things i havent seen for the better part of ten years. The economy is going great. And we look at the stock market. Its fantastic. Things have gotten a lot better for me in terms of job opportunities. I think theres more demand. Theres been a couple of jobs that have f ive had to juggle because theres been so much work. Woodruff what about. You cant deny the economy, at least the stock market is doing really well . I think its great that were doing very well, my business is doing very well, im waiting for us to fall off the cliff when it doesnt meet the expectations of the promises. Woodruff what about you . Youre not a fan of this president , but how has the economy been for you . Actually, i dont have any stocks. So i cant see how a Trump Presidency financially has benefited me. I feel like i represent mainstream america. Most americans arent invested in the stock market. Most americans are working, you know, minimum wage jobs. I happen to be a very small startup company, an entrepreneur, and i have not seen yet any benefit. An im afraid that just because the corporations may bring their money back within these shores, its not going to trickle down to the employees because 14 every two weeks in your paycheck extra is not any money. Woodruff what about immigration . This is an issue the president ran on. He was very tough on that issue. He said he was going to build a border wall. He was going to be very tough on people in this country without documentation. Its come up again just recently. How do you size up this administration, this president on immigration . Its a personal issue for me because my wife and i have been going through legal migration, and all the daca bill does is reward those who have broken the law and circumvented the Legal Process and penalized rewards them and penalizes families like my own who have gone through the Legal Process to immigrate. Woodruff how have you gone through it . What is your particular situation . My wife is Eastern European descent. We got married abrought, came back through, and have gone through a long, fiveyear process, and shes still not a u. S. Citizen. Woodruff you were reacting when cory was speaking about immigration. What are your thoughts on this president and that issue . I was always sympathetic to the dreamers because of the fact that they have been in this country all of their life through no fault of their own, but what actually brought me even more strongly into the debate was when the president made the shole comment about immigrants from african countries. Im an African American woman born and raised here in the united states, but my ancestors were from africa. And for you to advocate that people from European Countries such as norway come over here as opposed to allowing people from african countries or other countries where people of color would come from, its flatout racist. And the president is racist. Woodruff is he racist, in my opinion . No. Hes opinionated, but lets be fair about. This how many of us are planning a vacation to haiti . I mean, its. He just sort of lets it loose, and hes kind of a new york type, and he lets go with a lot of stuff that hes thinking. And theres in the a filter on his mouth. And we better get used to it because thats what everybody really believes and thinks deep down, and trump is just saying whats been there anyway. Thats no what i believe and think deep down. Its in the at all what i believe and think deep down. We as a people have to decide what kind of society we want. Make America Great again cant mean make America White again. It cant. We cant let the things that hes saying just go by and say, we have to get used to it and we have to accept it. We dont have to accept it. Racism in this country is becoming emboldened and out of control, and it is reminiscent of things that have happened in other governments in past years such as the why mar republic when hitler rose to power and many other governments where despots rose to power and forgot about the notion of mercy tempering justice and the notion of people caring for each other. I did want to add, i cant go to any kind of social event or interact with people who democrats without somebody, and this is before trump, some snarky remark or some little snide comment, and they dont know im a republican, and i have to keep my mouth shut i need to let key that say something. One thing that President Trump has done is hes reenergized that, and hes told the White Supremacists that its okay for you to pull off your sheets and its okay for you to espouse hate, xenophobia, antil. G. B. T. Views. Its okay for you to discriminate. And this is what is most disturbing about this president is that he is hateful and hes the leader of the free world, and he is openly doing this. And this is hurtful to people, this is divisive to the american people. Woodruff do you all think the country is more divided now, a year into the Trump Presidency, than it was, i dont know, halfway through the Obama Administration . Cory . Absolutely. Any time the democrats dont win an election, theres. Its not about the right and the wrong or the left and the right or the progressives. I think the results of the interim election will argue against what cory is saying. I think people are starting to come together now. Democrats are winning in historically republican districts all over the country in these interim elections because people are rejecting what the republicans have done since theyve been in power and since trump has been in power. And im hopeful, even though i have never been a democrat, im hopeful that this Republican Leadership will be gone with the 2018 elections. So weve heard from a couple of you that republicans have too much power, but who is giving them the power . Its us. It comes down to us as the american people. In the middle schools you have children who are more impulsive, mouth off in inappropriate ways, and im reminded of President Trump. He reminds me of a middle school bully. Now, is he fit to be a president . I dont think hes crazy, but i dont think hes the model of what i would want in a president , and certainly his policies are hurting more americans than theyre helping. You mentioned divisions. The divisions have always been there. Hes brought them to the surface. And i think hes done us a favor in that regard. And you wanted to be as a child, you aspired to be president. What do we have to offer our kids when we have a president thats, you know, st. Louis slut shaming a senator on twitter . What kind of message is that sending to our children . If you want to talk about the deterioration of our culture, wed be here all night and it didnt start with President Trump. Admittedly he does say some outrageous things, but look at hollywood, we could look at movies, we could look at tv, we could look at. I mean, theres just been such a huge, in my lifetime, theres been a huge cultural shift in everything, from promoting very liberal values out of hollywood like transgender everything, gay marriage. Transgender, yes. Its not the kind of thing that most of us grew up with. Thats right. And conservatives are being vilified for believing a certain way. Because its. I guess life is in the a reality show. Reality tv is a very good example. My life is not one. Back the trump. You cant blame trump for all of these things. This isnt the 1950s anymore. You cant just say, oh, trump shouldnt say that and he shouldnt say that when everybody is swearing right and left. Woodruff lets focus on the future. There are big, important conditional election happening this year. They call it the midterm. How much do these election matter to you. Do you intend to get involved in the congressional or senate race in your state . And, you know what, do you think . Should the congress continue to be controlled by republicans . Should it be controlled by democrats . Cory . I think its a midterm elections go democratic to both house and senate, youre going to see a gang rush to impeachment proceedings because theyve been looking for their pound of flesh for whatever story or story line theyve been supporting. If it stays republican, i think youre going to hopefully see some more initiatives. Virginia is going to lead the way with not only the resist trump, but resist trump with a purpose. And we are going to be energized. Were going to show up. We are, you know, training and supporting more women candidates who are running for office, and we are interested in pushing policies that benefit people. For me beth parties are on the take. Its the rich people who run the show, no matter which party is in power. I think the womens march last year was a watershed moment, and there are going to be some incredible women coming forward. Woodruff on this question of divided, united. How worried are you about the country being divided, people being divide . Does it affect your daily life . Is it something that you think is sick. Is it healthy for us as a democracy to debate all these things and to have these vigorous disagreements . The civil discourse were having allows for us to find common ground, allows for us to have discussions that are important for us as a nation without namecalling, without belittling each others opinions. I think a lot of america realizes Community Starts from exactly that, your neighborhoods, the places you go to church, the places you go to school, and the places youen joy your time as families, the areas that you live. I think thats where the divide can start coming back together. Because these are your neighbors. These are your friends, your family. These are the people you rae re late to. You have that common ground. Yet at the same time, you share those vast differences. Thats where that dialogue begins. I dont think well ever see anyone in washington or richmond for that matter solve this problem. If anything its to their Job Description to make it worse. Absolutely. But we need to be led, and we need to be challenged to actually do those things. Its nice to say in my community this is what i aspire to as an individual. But we need our leaders. I feel like everybody has become much more tribal and you dont identify as americans at this point. We identify as africanamericans or hispanicamericans or by a Political Party or even beyond ethnicity, lidge religious. There are people. People are not identifying as a whole. Theyre identifying within their subgroups. Woodruff about the future, finally, does anybody want the say they feel hopeful . Not hopeful . Im always hopeful for the future. I think thats been the great strength of america, our willingness to move forward, to invent, to listen to each other, and to find ways forward. Woodruff thank you all very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Woodruff we move from virginia to florida. President donald trump won the county around Daytona Beach with nearly 55 of the vote. The same residents of Volusia County also elected sheriff Mike Chitwood, a brash and uncensored police leader, who is a vocal defender of undocumented immigrants. Special correspondent John Carlos Frey reports on why sheriff chitwoods appeal often cuts across traditional political lines. This story was produced in partnership with the marshall project, a nonprofit News Organization covering u. S. Criminal justice. Reporter whether hes at his favorite bar late into the night. talking . Or a Church Service the next morning. Sheriff Mike Chitwood is a familiar face across Volusia County in eastern florida, a sprawling section of the state best known for both its beaches and Nascars Daytona 500. It was also one of the last places in the south to end segregation. Blunt and often profane, chitwood is a constant presence on local news. This scumbag ruined their childhood. Theres some real sick scumbags. Who knows who this scumbag is. We are going to find that scumbag. Reporter the 54yearold political independent is both progun and proimmigrant, and hes been endorsed by the n. R. A. And the n. A. A. C. P. We just love how you just say what youre feeling. Reporter and, since taking office last year, hes publicly feuded with nearly everyone who ha questioned his vision. If i dont get reelected, i really dont give a bleep . I am going to do my job, and what i was elected to do was to bring progressive change to the county. Reporter that change has come by deploying a statistical crime tracking strategy popular in many cities, called compstat. And, hes moved away from a focus on weapons training toward a policy of deescalation. Hes also ordered an independent study of all recent officer involved shootings, and mandated that his deputies keep their body cameras on when responding to a call everything we do is not about kicking in front doors and dragging people out by the scruff of their neck. Statistically, 80 of the crimes are committed by 15 or 20 of the same people, over and over again. That means the general population, the people that you come in contact with everyday, are not criminals. Reporter chitwoods career began as a beat cop in philadelphia, where he spent several years investigating homicides. He eventually moved to florida to become the police chief of Daytona Beach, a job he held for more than a decade before he ran for sheriff. Youre described as bullheaded, as stubborn, as brash, as offensive. Cant you tone it down a little bit . If you dont like the fact that were going to put sanctity of human life first, and were going to switch from a warrior mentality to a guardian mentality, then i think you need to go. Because the day of being a warrior and policing your Community Like youre a warrior, thats the past. Reporter last august, however, the Trump Administration rolled back restrictions on giving military equipment to local police, and President Trump has struck a far different tone on policing. Please dont be too nice. Reporter chitwood says during extreme weather events like hurricanes, and he applauds the president for making more available. But on most days, youll find him riding his bike. We tagged along as he rode through the mostly lowincome neighborhood of spring hill in the city of deland. We have an idea of what happened, but we need a few more witnesses to get to where we need to be to make an arrest. We had a homicide here a week ago, right up here at this house. There was some type of an altercation with a homeless man. When the altercation ended, somebody pulled out a gun and shot the homeless man five times. Reporter youre in a pair of shorts, and youre riding your bike in what people would consider to be a dangerous neighborhood, looking for a killer. Correct. Reporter does that sound kind of strange to you . It may sound strange to people who dont do this for a living. But for those of us who do it for a living, its the norm. Reporter its a philosophy known as community or neighborhood policing, and chitwood is a firm believer. So Something Like ferguson, where the Police Showed up in tanks, and fired, you know, tear gas, and looked like a military or a war zone, thats not appropriate . Ferguson didnt just happen. Ferguson was ten years in the making. And it took that one incident, that one incident was what sparked everything. Where maybe, had they engaged in a little bit more community involvement, had they been part of the community as opposed to apart from it, ferguson might not have happened. When cities and states refuse reporter chitwood also strongly disagrees with the Trump Administrations crackdown on illegal immigration. Earlier in the year, amid heightened fears within immigrant communities. Racial profiling is unacceptable. Reporter . He reached out to the estimated 10,000 to 20,000 undocumented residents in Volusia County an area that has long been dependent on migrant labor. The sheriff made it clear that he doesnt want his deputies seen as agents from i. C. E. , immigration and customs enforcement. You were in a county that went for trump. Trump ran on tough immigration policy, a border wall, going after anybody who doesnt have papers. Are you thumbing your nose at the constituents in this county . If youre a criminal, if there is a warrant out for your arrest, no matter who you are, were coming to get you. But were not going to be proactively going out and be immigration officers. I believe that just thats not what our job as local state and county and Municipal Law Enforcement officers is. Reporter chitwood says breaking up families doesnt make sense to him, and he points to the fact that three of his own deputies roy, daniel and Billy Galarza were raised by undocumented parents near pierson, florida. Their father, pantaleon galarza, has worked as a fern picker since coming to the u. S. From mexico in 1980. I know that hes gotten his legal status since then, but you dont have any question or any shame about the fact he entered in illegally . No. Im very proud of my dad. Im here because of him, because he helped us. The times when i needed to get to school there were times i didnt have money i would always call him, hey, i need some gas money. But he was there, he was there for me. Reporter when it comes to patrolling the surrounding community, the galarza brothers say they simply follow the protocol laid out by their boss. The majority of this community, the way its grown, theres a lot of people that dont have papers. But thats not up to me to determine if they should be here or not. Until they commit a crime and i need to act on it, so be it. And until they do commit a crime, they commit a felony, and theyre in prison for some other reason, they will eventually get deported back to mexico. Reporter chitwoods office says crime is down by more than 20 since he took office. But critics, like former Volusia CountyLegal Advisor john mcconnell, say that chitwood is padding the books when it comes to Certain Property crimes like auto theft. Its logical that he should show a fairly good drop the first year, because hes changed the way that hes changed the rules of the game. Hes changed the way you keep score. Its a legal padding, though. You know, is it ethically right . Is it morally right . Thats the question. If i live in this neighborhood, i want to know if there were 35 or 40 car burglaries. Instead of them saying, hey, you had a car burglary the other night. And i say, well, thats not a big deal. Every now and then, you have one of those. Reporter but chitwood says hes not hiding anything, and that he has another three years before voters will decide if he should keep his job. Before we left, we met him back at the bar after he finished filming his local news segment, dubbed scumbag of the week you like that term. I do. I do. I think it adds a little panache to what were looking for, and i think theres a lot of people in the world that want to say that, but theyre like, oh my god, its not politically correct. Me, im not politically correct. Im a bull in a china shop. Ill admit that. I have the least political skills of anybody youll ever meet. Reporter while some believe chitwood will Seek Higher Office one day, he says he has no intention of turning in his badge anytime soon. Im John Carlos Frey of the marshall project, reporting for the pbs newshour in Volusia County, florida. Woodruff the pope just concluded a trip to chile this weekend, aimed at healing some of the aftereffects of sexual abuse committed there. But his remarks during that trip, and on his return from it, about the role of a bishop in a Sexual Abuse Scandal there, have raised questions. Lisa desjardins looks at the popes pledges to change the churchs actions and attitude. Desjardins the cases in chile date back to the 1980s and a wellconnected priest found to be a pedophile, the reverend fernando karadima. Both the vatican and a chilean judge concluded those accusations were credible. The church defrocked him. Why this matters now karadima was a longtime mentor to a current bishop, juan barros madrid. He is accused of covering up and witnessing abuse. While in chile to apologize for abuse by other priests, pope francis defended this bishop, saying there is not one shred of evidence against him. That set off a firestorm. The pope apologized for his wording yesterday, but also stood by the bishop. Anne barrettdoyle is the codirector of the Watchdog Group and website, bishopaccountability. Org. She joins me now. First, lets talk about this case in chile. We have one pierce, fernando karadima, who was found to commit abuse and also to mentor many other priests who are believed to be abusers. Right. Reporter what exactly are the allegations against this bishop who is one of those who this priest mentored. Right. Bishop barros was said to, at one point, he supposedly destroyed a letter that complained about karadimas behavior many decades ago. But really the allegations that are far more serious is that the victims of karadima say that he was in the room when children and young men were being abused by karadima. Juan carlos cruz, a wellknown victim of karadima, said that barros, then a middle east, watched him being abused by karadima. Reporter and these are victims that the church itself accepted as credible when they were looking at karadimas case. Thats right. Reporter but now it seems the pope is not giving credibility to these accounts. Im wondering what do the popes words, someone who i know many catholic see as man of healing, what do those words and this trip mean to survivors . How are they taking it . I think the words are devastating to survivors and the catholics who had thought this pope might be cleaning up the church. I think that the mask has fallen from pope francis. I think that this was a tremendous setback. To have him resort to the oldest trick in the churchs playbook, which is to accuse victims of lying, was turning back the clock to the darkest hours of this crisis. This is a cruel tactic that the church we hoped had discarded. I imagine this is going to have a tremendous Chilling Effect on victims who were considering coming forward. Why would they do that when the head of the Global Church has accused victims of lying. Woodruff we reached out to boston Cardinal Sean omalley, who is the popes point person and headed up the commission to look into priest abuse. He was not available to come on the show, but he did indicate he understood why the popes words were seen as painful. We do want the look at some of the things the pope said just in the last day on his plane trip. First he said, i know how much pe says, bring me a letter, a proof, its a slap, thats the pope recognizing that his initial words were painful when he asked for evidence. But the pope in that same slight also said, but there is no evidence of abuse, meaning with bishop barros. Covering up an abuse is abuse, theres no evidence. There isnt. What do you make of that contradiction, and also is there room to say the pope is assuming that his bishop is innocent before pronouncing him guilty . Well, i think certainly innocent until Proven Guilty is a concept we all hold dear, but this is different. This is an aggressive, affirmative declaration that the bishop is innocent, and its an attack on his accusers. That is biased. That is not a disciplined approach to this case. If he were a judge in a civil case, he would be asked to recuse himself or maybe even, you know, thrown off the bench for remarks like that. This is. Unfortunately this defense of brother bishops is very consistent with pope francis record when he was an arch bishop in buena vista buenos aries, and this dismissiveness with catholics who complain about barrasso is consistent with remarks hes made when hes been caught off script. I think that this is a turning point. I think that this is a, you know, a sign that we cannot at all depend upon reform from this pope when it comes to this issue. Reporter we will continue to follow this story, and we will continue to ask Cardinal Omalley for response. Anne barrettdoyle, from bishop accountability. Org, thank you for joining us. Youre so welcome. Thank you for having me. Woodruff finally tonight, remembering the legacy of Hugh Masekela, a major figure in world music and jazz who became well known for his activism and battle against apartheid in south africa. Jeffrey brown is back with this appreciation of his life. Brown he was first and foremost a master musician. Trumpet player and singer Hugh Masekela honed his distinctive afrojazz sound across a career that spanned more than six decades. He began playing in the 1950s as a youngster growing up near johannesburg, forming a jazz band in school and then a top bebop group, the jazz epistles. His International Fame grew as he paired his music and voice with his activism on behalf of the antiapartheid struggle. Growing violence and turmoil had led masekela to leave south africa in 1960, for exile in england and then the u. S. , where he continued to reach bigger audiences, appearing with the likes of janis joplin and jimi hendrix at the famous 1967 monterey pop festival. Brown the following year, he scored his first number one hit with grazing in the grass, performed here much later at the 2010 world cup. Brown in 1987, masekela joined paul simon and the south african musicians, ladysmith black mambazo, on the graceland tour, continuing to Rouse International crowds to the cause of south africa freedom with songs like bring him back home, calling for Nelson Mandelas release from prison. Bring back Nelson Mandela bring him back all tosoweto i want to see him walking down the street in south Africa Tomorrow brown when mandela was brown when mandela was finally released in 1990, masekela moved back to south africa for good. He continued to record and perform into his 70s, even after a 2008 diagnosis of prostate cancer. He spoke about it in this 2011 interview. I am a musician. I love music. Ive loved music since i was a child. And i try to collaborate as much as i can, with as many people as i can. When i look at the time i have left, i said, all of the sudden i have to hurry up and do a lot of things. But ive never had a greater time. Brown Hugh Masekela died today in johanesburg. He was 78 years old. Woodruff what a legacy. And that is the newshour for tonight. Im judy woodruff. For all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you, and well see you soon. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by babbel. 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