Circumstances. And its not to overstate the empathy for them its simply a fact. We have seen so much of the literary conceit of a fine line separates the hunters from the hunted. And finally we look at the increasingly popular world of podcasts. Ive been in podcasting since 2005 shortly after it started. We found when you put together a group of people they feel connected with they felt they were at a table with them or listening to their friends talk about something. Charlie the latest on puerto rico, las vegas mind hunter and podcasts. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Charlie we begin this evening with the continuing search for answers in las vegas. Heres the cbs evening news. Reporter investigators are no closer to understanding what may have inspired 64yearold Stephen Paddock to create such carnage. His preparations were so elaborate that investigators believe he may have had an complice. The clark county sheriff. He spent decades acquiring ammo and living a secret life much of which will never be fully understood. Reporter the new video shows the harrowing moment the attack unfolded. Do we have medical services . Reporter at 10 05 he fired the first shots from the mandalay bay. Ten minutes later the shooting stopped. At 10 18 he fired more than 200 rounds from the room injuring a Security Guard in the leg and after that fired no mo bullets to the festival. He may have had more in mind. You suggested after he saw the Security Guard his concern became his sel himself. Did you see evidence he tried to survive this. Yes. Reporter what is that . I cant tell you. Reporter police used an explosive to breakthrough the front door. Paddock not only sprayed bullets into the music festival, some hit the Aviation Fuel tanks on the edge of the airport. Investigators are trying to determine if they were stray bullets or he intended to hit the tanks. This guy is the boogie man. Reporter andy sutton is a consultant for cbs news. He had tremendous tactic. This showed tremendous tactics and who showed him to use the weapons as he did. Charlie puerto rico continues to reel in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria. More than two weeks after the storm half the population doesnt have access to Drinking Water. 95 of the power grid remains down. The official death toll is 34 but the governor expected that number to ride. David begnaud has been reporting and heres a look at some of his reporting. Reporter residents of puerto rico waded through the mess Hurricane Maria left behind. Flooding is widespread and electricity is non existent. 20 minutes from san juan, police and volunteers are working to rescue people trapped by marias storm surge. They helped this man and his dog get out and get to dry land. The governor is sitting in the see the of his humvee and talking to people on what the situation is in their home. Reporter across the street, streets that dont look like rivers have no power lines. Officials cannot say when it will be restored. Before slamming puerto rico, maria roared across the island of dominica and the death toll climbed to more than 15 and the search for the missing still continues. A storm passed the island today and the storm with moving towards the turks and caicos. President trump is declaring a state of emergency for prosecutor. With so many communities cut off the full extent of the damage is not yet known. David begnaud, cbs news, san juan, puerto rico. Charlie im please to have david begnaud. Welcome. Its great to be here. Charlie you cover a lot of stories. Where do you put this one . Reporter it got worse the report. Its gotten worse. Ive never covered a National Disaster where the emergency was endless 15 days out and its still an emergency. Charlie is that because of the severity or because puerto rico was not prepared for this kind of thing and can you ever be prepared or is it because the rescue effort has been too little too slow . Reporter whats happens is everyday the governor said we are getting everything we need from the federal government and they couldnt help better but i said what more do you need to move it past an emergency situation . He said i need extra helicopters and busses. They didnt have bus drivers. You know why . They couldnt get there, their homes were too badly damaged they had to stay behind for their family, for whatever reasons they couldnt move sly. The island was paralyzed. They knew it was coming. The governor predicted it and some places could be without power for up to a year. Charlie a year . I think i said to you on the air, someone in my apartment was able to talk to his mother in the last couple days. And reach her. There must be thousand. Reporter i know prosecutor puerto rico reporter i know Puerto Ricans that got on a plane because it was the only way to check on their family. Charlie how will puerto rico recover . Reporter theyre in bankruptcy. They filed for bankruptcy earlier this year and you have a delapidated power system and if anything the governor said this could be what puerto rico needed. They couldnt get the money before the storm and now they have to have it but theres still places with no running water. Still people Drinking Water from a stream and bathing in it. Today we heard theyre now sending tankers to areas of special need and theyll be positioned at each municipalities. What took 15 days. Charlie youre the reporter, what took 15 days . I said why do you keep asking for help youve told us you were able to get food to every municipality around the island. Why do people still need more . He said we think the food is going to a distribution area in the middle of town but people dont know its there and we cant reach them because theres no phone communication. I said what are you going to do and he said were going to go to mega phones and im going to encourage mayors telling people where to go and if we cant do it that way well use a helicopter. Charlie President Trump came and by many accounts its not what they expected in a variety of ways but this your report on his visit to puerto rico earlier this week. Here it is. President trump and the first lady were treated by a friendly audience in one of the fastest areas to recover from the hurricane. The president handed out supplies tossing paper towels into the crowd. Mr. Trump also toured the neighborhood and met with people whose home were damaged by maria. Were going to help you out. Thank you, mr. President. Reporter the president and first lady got a look by helicopter. They didnt visit the hardest hit areas where people are forced to bathe and drink from stream water. Earlier President Trump praised the federal governments response but downplayed Hurricane Maria compared to hurricane katrina. If you look at the tremendous impact of katrina and the hundreds of people that died you can be proud of all of your people and our people working together. Reporter mr. Trump criticized the u. S. Territory for their more than 70 billion debt. I hate to tell you, puerto rico but youve thrown our budget out of whack. Reporter and later he seemed to suggest their debt may be forgiven. They owe a lot of money to your friends on wall street and well have to wipe that out. Reporter not after he left the death toll was reported to have risen from 16 to 34 caused by flooding, debris and mud slides and theres anxiety, suicide and oxygen patient whos died when the power ran out. David begnaud, cbs news, san juan, puerto rico. Charlie so youve become so identified with the story. A friend of mine who said david is so into the story if he ever comes to new york id like to meet him. Theyve become an internet sensation as well. Hows it look in the way people look at you do you they think you, the reporter, have to have answers for us . I think it was the only place they were getting answers. And it started with this, ill never forget going to the airport and there were 900 to 1,000 people laid out. There was no power, no ac, no food and water and kids stripped naked from the parents sleeping in their strollers as their parents fanned them with cardboard and a went to the governor and i said do you know whats going to the airport they said we saw your report and we ordered supplies and i said i just left and its not there. I get questions how far involved in a story should you be . I didnt hand out food. I didnt hand out water but i was relentless in pursuing answers to questions the people there deserved. I didnt go with an agenda. I had never been there or know people there or know much about the culture. Those are the most resilient, patient people ive ever met in the face of disaster. Charlie thank you for coming. David begnaud. Cbs news. Back in a moment, stay with us. Mind hunter is the new Netflix Series set in the 1970s. It depicts the behavioral science unit within the fbi. Jonathan grof plays a travel agent interviewing convicted serial killers. Heres a look at the trailer. Its not easy portraying people. Its hard work. Physically and mentally i dont think people realize you need to vent. You know theres a lot of more like me. You think so . 40 years ago your fbi was founded hunting down john dillinger. Now we have extreme violence between strangers. We travel around the country and teach fbi techniques to cops. She was found cuffed and latched to the bed. What people wont do to each other. How can we help . We should be using every resource we can. We talk to the smartest people we kind. Are criminals born or are they formed . Psychopaths are convinced theres nothing wrong with them so theyre virtually impossible to study. You have found near Perfect Laboratory conditions. Thats what makes it so potentially exciting and far reaching. It is not our job to commiserate with these. Its our job to electrocute them. You cant like everything we do. Were talking to serial killers. Serial killers. Im trying to warn you your attitude is going to bite you in the ass. Your developing a pattern of behavior that will not sustain you here. You leave i cant help you. Theres no rule book for how to talk to these people. More. You have to get in the dirt with the pigs. How do we get ahead of crazy if we dont know how crazy think . Charlie joining me executive directo director David Fincher and i have to say we just experienced a horrific thing happening. The questions that theyre asking are the questions that your guys, your characters based on reallife people are asking. What makes these people do this . I think thats the if anybody has interest in true crime its always that, right. Always the thing you cant quite touch or get at. You dont understand what makes them do what they do. Charlie is it insanity or not . Well, theres obviously a huge argument against an insanity plea when shot blocker has plotted to carefully not to be caught. Charlie they know the difference of right and wrong. Exactly. If somebody has gone through the motions and fantasized for long enough theyve worked out all the problems so is there an insanity defense there . Probably not. Charlie just based in your characters what questions would you be asking were in las vegas, the characters you play. Cant talk to him. He shot himself. Nobody lives to be in their 60s and suddenly wakes up one day and decides to commit mass murder without any kind of warning signs without any previous criminal behavior of any kind. I would be trying to figure out what were the things that led him to that point that he did that. Charlie which brings me to this subject. What was it your character the approach i dont want to say empanely but what was the approach empathy but when was the approach to say wheres he coming from to the young agent who believes theres a better way of trying to figure this out. I think on the show were trying to see if we can fake empathy in order to understand the impossible to understand. I think along the way we glean information and the show takes place in the late 70s where the information and the idea of doing this was very new. They acquire systems of labelling and compartmentalizing the different kinds of killers. But ultimately part of the reason people are so fascinated with serial killers, endlessly, is because you can ask as many questions as you want to and i dont know if youll ever get an answer. Charlie or if they even know. You, sir im apologizing in advance. Charlie what is it about you . Nobody sent me the remake of breakfast at tiffanys. Charlie would do you that over . I dont know. I can only fall back on my i cant apologize enough. Charlie but we can fall back on things youve done before. There is something within you that ask where did aberration come from. Certainly when we were doing the rounds at quantico and what it had to offer. You round the corner under the library and theres a life sized wax or fiberglass rendering of hanniba Hannibal Lechter and john doe and the seven came around the same time and they were in the mold of the serial killer as wily e. Coyote, super genius and i talked to the woman who was giving us the tour she asked is it going to be like silence of the lambs. I said no, i dont want to talk about the gourmet opera expert who to me these are very sad people who have grown up under horrendous circumstances. This is not this is not to overstate how much empathy or sympathy we should have for them but its simply a fact and weve seen so much of this sort of literary conceit of a fine line separates the hunters from the hunted. I thought it was time to take that back and make it really the reason that we are fascinated with them is because were nothing like them. They are unfathomable. We charlie youve looked at a number of them. Do they share any common of course. Theres a lot of commonality. The show is a series of conversations. Charlie somebody brought a book. The king of profilers. Charlie for the fbi. You two, tell me about the dynamic of the two characters. That the part of the dynamic, is it not . Heres what there are two guys the characters are based on and one of them is not with us any longer and one was a creative consultant with the show. And once we got into the time to divide the mythology, who did what, who went where and who was the first person to say x it got extremely complicated so joe pentonhahl the head writer of the show decided i need to be able to divide this leg work as i need in order to dramatize it because well never be able to so he was the one who said im going to call this guy this and then im going to make a crazy quilt of whatever behavioral impetus i need. Charlie but when he comes talking about these ideas, your character is what . You look at it with skepticism or convince me . This is not my experience, you have to convince me . When we meet bill tench the character i play. Hes in a failing marriage and an adopted son with whom he has a difficult relationship and hurts the marriage and hes not interested in the politics and thenosing, if you will, he would need to do in order to got a promotion and he travels around the country and teaches the latest investigative techniques to local cops. In a sense hes running away. I think of him as floundering. Hes almost forgotten why it was so important he be an fbi agent and what happens when holden, jonathans character comes into my life, his youth and his passion and enthusiasm and his intelligence really kind of revitalize me in a sense and make me remember what it was i loved. Charlie what is it that you have other than youth and enthusiasm . Is it a new idea . What has made you different . I think one of the things thats interesting about the show is when you meet holden in the first episode, hes a little lost. The very first scene in the show hes in a hostage negotiation situation and a guy shoots himself in the face and he goes to the fbi and he says i did everything by the book and somebody died and im really confused and perhaps were going about this in the wrong way. I think its symbolic of hoover was running the fbi up until the early 70s and there was this black and white vision of what crime was. Its like go get the bad guys and then we succeeded. The arab 70s was coming into the fbi and holden meets this girl getting her ph. D. And studying socialiology so he gets his mind blown and has this existential crisis and look for purpose and meaning and a better way to run his work at the fbi and gets stuck with this guy teaching behavioral science and through a strange set of circumstances finds himself sitting across the room from ed kemper who we now know is the serial killer. Charlie heres the scene. Its research. Research . A series of interviews. Chatting with individuals not unlike yourself. Were just talking. I dont get to go some place and do a bunch of tests . No, just right here. Why . Because i believe it could be useful. Talking about what . Well, i dont know. Youre behavior, i guess. If you want to, that is. I mean, we dont have to talk about anything at all if you dont want to. Why are you so tense . Hmm . Your tense right now. No, im not tense. Charlie now, hold that thought. Take a look at this. This is holts character talking to jonathan about the same inquiry. Hes telling you what hes guessed you want to hear. Why would i want to hear that . Youre you. You told him about your University Education and sassy girlfriend and he tailored his answers to fit. Why did you tell him that stuff . Too loosen him up. Why did you feel the need to tell him about the girlfriend. Hes your subject. Be objective. I have to trust my instincts on this. In fairfield, iowa you were in the dark ages and now you have unimpeachable instincts . Its been a process. No doubt what happened in there was a profound experience but i have to have you understand that theres a distinct possibility hes manipulating you. Charlie okay. So lets talk with the scene. First you, with the reputation you have for taking more than one take we did two or three. Charlie that little scene was two days . It was longer than that. Theres potential for comedy built into the wideeyed innocent agent across the table from this giant person. I was doing all the schtick in the takes and finding all this schtick and the line where he says why are you so tense and i say im not tense. In the previous takes id been doing this schtick of im not tense and all this stuff. David goes, why dont you do nothing . This is like the middle of the second day. To me it changed the whole energy of the moment and took way the actory comedic schstick. Charlie thats why your David Fincher. One of the millions of reasons why hes David Fincher but thats one of them. Charlie you worked with him in a couple small roles. I was in davids first movie, alien 3 and then i had a role in fight club but this is the first time i was invited back in a major part. For me it was a great honor. Charlie heres what you said it almost made all the years of struggle worth it. I felt like i graduated in a way. Thats correct. And ive said this brin interviews one of the wonderful things about television is you get to explore a character in much greater detail than a movie or play. Have you more time you have more real estate. You can find yourself in many circumstances. Thats an important thing. We cast jonathan. It was important to me i dont have the wet blanket. That i dont have the guy whos just going, im not interested in this. I needed an actor to be jonathan 20 years later the monolithic bureaucracy has taken it out of him and he has a callous. In order to do that i need an actor who has enormous sensitivity and working with holt as many times as i have, i keep wishing i would have a part with him that had more. That had theory attached to other ideas and to offer somebody where you say hey, we could be doing this five years from now are you ready to dig . Charlie did you see this as a Television Series rather in that twohour film . Oh, yeah. Two hours and no closure is probably get a babysity and find parking and wait in line and people with their phones on with your peripheral vision thats asking a lot. I also think this is. Charlie we love conversations. Its difficult when youre an executive producer you have to find other directors because you cant direct the whole thing. Ten hours is too much. Other directors you give them an 11page scene and say theres this movement and then this pivot and then it moves. Its terrifying. The guys we found interesting hi enough some from documentaries and another one was a writer who had mede a film with riveting scenes where people talk into a speaker phone. Charlie when i started the program i said our conceit is that we believe people love conversation and theyll want to see it if its real, engaging, passionate, you know. Theyll be drawn to it. You dont need a fancy set or anything. You just need two people or more that are engaged by theres movements in the way people their agenda and try to understand and look for clarification and that stuff can be as interesting as people running through the street showing their badges. Charlie did you want him because he was great as king george iii. I hadnt seen that. I met jonathan casting the social network and he was amazing and riveting. It was for sean parker. And i thought, the one thing that jonathan doesnt have access to that i have to have is he has to have a little venality. And you cant fake it. He has there was a little bit of the oily salesman, just a tiny bit. Charlie in sean parker. Not offense to scene sean parker because ive not met him but i needed to know he would make 10 . I say this often but i think part of what makes a great performance is, at some level, you shoot a 14hour day and six days a week, at some point people are going to be exhausted. There has to be an inherent thing in the actor you cant beat out of them with a tire iron. That you know is always going to be its always underneath that surface. Curiosity, decency. And with holden, i think people mistakenly think of it as earnestness but its a hunger to be better. Its a hunger to understand. Charlie we are living in the midst of a podcast boom with the rise of mobile more people are consuming content in transit than ever before. Podcast has also benefitted from the power of audio. Gd6h James Walcott of vanity fair writes, when the guests are compelling and the conversation covers the drum kit the hands of the clock disappear and i feel ive enjoyed a secondhand human experience. My guests are leading the revolution. Alex blumberg of gimlet media and Paula Szuchman of wnyc studios and jed abum rad the creator and cohost of radio lab and more perfect. Tell me how this come to being and use to such popularity so fast . Was it filling a need or was it i dont know. I hope so. Maybe the first and second. Im a public radio refugee and i still live in the world of public radio. For me it feels a little bit like we were making a show for ten years and suddenly the podcast app appeared on the phone and it blew up. The thing we suddenly do was baked into smartphones. That really launched things. Suddenly we have companies now making it and it feels like the world is expanding. Charlie everybody i know is thinking about it. Its a very easy barrier to entry the same way blogging did ten years ago. Its a people to get at you. Right between the ear and nothing between the two of you. Its very intimate and it feels like its a close touch point. It gives people a platform that they cant necessarily have if theyre trying to find a tv show or get a book published. Thats also contributed a bit. Charlie what do the most successful ones have . They have intimacy. They have personalities that you are people you want to hang out with that you want in your ear and your head. There is no closer you can be to someone. From the early stage ive been in podcasting since 2005 just shortly after it started. We found when you put together people a group of people that the audience felt connected with they felt like they were sitting at a table with them and having dinner and going out for drinks. They were listening to their friends talk about something. And they responded in that way as though they joined a club or went to a dinner party. Charlie it makes me think ive been doing a podcast all these 5 years. 25 years. I think theres a couple reasons. One is the companionship things and people like to be told a story. The best podcasts you sit down and also a big thing is people learn things and the best ones combine all three. What chad does is like they like you and hang out with you and theyre learning stuff and theyre being told a story. And i think when you do all three youre doing something special. Charlie what about you . I make a show called radio lab and recently a spinoff called more perfect. Its as alex said, he started on this American Life a million years ago. For me that was the model. The idea is to tell these gripping personal stories that lead to you a moment of wonder where you think with the world differently and youre changed. You want every story to have that transformation moment. Thats what we try and do. Radio lab does it about all kinds of things and more perfect is taking stories about the Supreme Court and like who are these people and what are these ideas. Whats the conflict and what is this country, these come before the court. Charlie has this been an opportunity for women . Speaking as a woman, i can say, yes. Its been incredible. There were Research Done a couple years ago about how few women there were hosting the podcasts i think it was 20 in 2013. Its been pretty dominated by men like many things. That number has gone up 23 and its our goal and mission to get womens voices out there. I think podcasting can be a real agent for change. In that sense it feels like a feminist medium. I think it gives a platform to people. You had Jessica Williams on here recently. Her podcast was something we developed and thats our show and we get and its a platform for women, women of color, people who would otherwise not get the millions and millions of people listening to them that they wouldnt without the podcast and we get people writing in all the time for one thing we get people saying they want to join wnyc and we get people saying i never heard myself represented before. Im hearing my stories in a way i never have before. Its very powerful and we have a womens podcast coming up in a couple weeks and we get women from all over the world to come and sort of learn from each other and develop skills and be mentored and, yeah. Charlie is it becoming remun remunitive . You can make billions. Come join us. Charlie part podcasts ads are among the highest cpm, cost per thousand of listeners of anything. Theyre in some cases two and three times higher than Super Bowl Ad rates. Really . Yes, but the audience is much smaller than the super bowl but the per listener numbers are higher. Charlie its higher than the super bowl . Yes. Because the advertising is very to use the word again intimate. Often the hofts are the ones who talk about the product. Its a throwback to old radio. Charlie its connected. In a lot of podcasts theres a clear line between the ad but a lot of the times the hosts are delivering the ad. At gimlet, my company, well take the same storybased approach to the ad and you have a connection with the listener. Its a way of humanizing brands. Theyre very effective. Charlie what changes are underway now . Now that it has legs and has growth and now that it has traction with the american public, how is it changing . How is it evolving . Is it offering more voices in a variety of formats . I think were at the beginning of the next golden age of audio. If you think of audio in the old days before television and people sat around their radios and you think of all the talent that came from the radio back then, orson welles and luciel ball and now with on demand you have a flourishing happening. You talked about fiction. I think fiction is going to be huge. We launched a fiction show called homecoming thats done very well. Charlie most people consume by mobile devices . And a lot of people multitask too. They go walking, doing the dishes, gardening. You dont need your eyes. Thats the great advantage. Something you can do on your phone while your phones in your pocket. Charlie is it taking audience away from other mediums . I dont have the data to back it up but my sense is because radio is the radio show and the podcasts. I think were mostly a podcasts at this point but i think theyre separate audiences. Demographically theyre separate. Age wise the podcasts are younger. We live two lives literally. Whats on the radio at one time and what are on the podcasts are separate content. We see a lot of sunday night listening and thats a big tv night. I still think of us as competing for peoples free time, period. I think of it as a separate sphere. Theres the listening time the commute and workout and the subway and theres times you can look at a screen which are mostly i dont know. I feel like podcasting has it own enclave. I think when people are gripped by a podcast it can te over and replace other things they were doing. Certainly reading. I see what youre saying you will make decisions about your leisure time. Everybody seems to be measuring it differently. For a while we would all obsessively check the i tunes rank and it start to not make sense anymore. Certainly id put this American Life and the spinoff serial and f town are all large. Youre looking at like mpr is in terms of sheer reach the most. And theres another one. There are essentially two kinds. Theres broadcast that is being time shifted and then theres original podcasting. You do one of each, for example. I think going back to what were taking away from i do think as people get more and more used to having things on demand like they have a dvr and few people that get a dvr want to watch it on the network schedule. I think as podcasting becomes more popular and it grows every year, people will get used to time shifting and that could spell some trouble for radio, im sorry to say. It may be a generational thing too but its too convenient to set your own schedule. On the other happened, with the stage of National Politics what it is you kind of cant compete with the days events. I still obsessively turn on the news because who knows what crazy things will be on the news that day. Charlie on television or the radio. The currency of radio is more transactional and faster and it feels important. I think people who have tv shows, Everybody Knows them. Podcasting is a medium where they can play in a way they cant in other more traditional media. Charlie you mean have fun . Flex creative muscles, talk directly to the people theyre interested in, interview people and maybe theyre actors and suddenly want to have conversations with people and allows people who know them to hear them in a different way and the people who dont know them to get to know them. Its part of the appeal. Charlie this is a clip from the giant pool of money. Here it is. This is audio only. Call it 540 for round figures. You borrowed 540,000 from the bank and they didnt chk your income . Its a noverification loan. Its almost like you pass a guy in the street and say lend me 540,000. What do you do . I got a job. Okay. It seems that casual though theres stuff that gets filled out and stuff flies with the fax and emails. Essentially thats the process. Nobody i know would have loaned me the money and i know criminals that wouldnt lend me that money and theyd break my kneecaps so i dont know why i bank did it. Im serious, 540,000. I remember everything about where i was when i had the interview. We were at a foreclosure havent. That show i did as the producer of American Life. Adam davidson a reporter for mpr the Business Correspondent and i teamed up to do this big hourlong on mortgage finance. We were trying to explain what was going on with the financial crisis. And we had no idea how to do it and nothing like that had ever been tried like that at this American Life. For inspiration we looked to the show called radio lab and they had a two cohost set up and it effective. They were talking about these complicated things. The one person could be like wait, what are you saying and the other person would say im saying this and we ripped it off. Thank you. I remember hearing that and that came out literally when it was all happening. The world was melting. No one knew what was going on and that was the first thing i heard where it gave me that moment. The thing you were talking about earlier about incredible story telling but you also learn and it take your perspective and shakes your perspective. It was a moment where just for a moment like oh, thats why were here. We sensed as a culture we analyze that moment and our history to death but its very early. I remember i was at the wall street journal because i come from print and he had my entire life was about the mortgage meltdown and a heard that and i was like well, that humanized it. Charlie its like movie. The movie accentuates the experience. That was a good movie. I feel podcasting is where films were in the nineteenteens and you may copy me and everyone is learning from each other. Our lgbtq show we call it my American Life but only gayer. Totally original. Charlie so theres this. What will change podcast over next ten years . It will obviously have a growth trajectory but will it be technology or what . Were in great need of better technology. Its still not as easy as sitting in your care and turning on the radio. My ideal would be you get in your car and turn on a podcast and its still hard to find new podcasts you like. Its called the discovery problem charlie why is that . You need a Search Engine or what . You can go to i tunes or Apple Podcast charlie if have you the titlm tunes. The most popular way is to hear about it from a friend. And you have to tell somebody like download a thing. If you can be like, hear, im going send it to you thatd be awesome. Charlie can you imagine taking Something Like this and its a designated device like a kindle. The original podcasts were named after the ipod. Its a horrible name podcast. Do you have ways to change that . I have no idea. I think for people who consume podcasts maybe they call it radio i hope. To the radio is not the box on the mantle anymore. I came from radio and its easier to say. Podcast is a clunky word. Charlie thank you. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. Announcer this is nightly Business Report hurricane hit. Harvey and irma take a bite out of the u. S. Labor market, leading to the first month of job losses in seven years. But there was plenty of good news too in this months job report. Stacked chips. This weeks market monitor has three blue chips he thinks you need to own right now. And staying on course. How one entrepreneur is on a mission to fix what some called the broken business of student loans. All that and more for friday, october good evening, everyone, and welcome. For the First Time Since 2010, the u. S. Economy lost jobs. 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