One of the hardest on end users. Rose continue with Pharrell Williams and Dave Matthews. Sunday, they will perform a concert for charlottesville, an evening of music and unity. The term musician comes from one who listens and is inspired by the music. So were musicians, were interpreting. Were bringing in the messages from the beyond from the unseen to do, like, the good work, to do the good will. Thats what were trying to do. I want to be hopeful all the time because without hope what is the point . But we have to always remind ourselves to dance in that beautiful part of humanity, the thing that the pain that is common pain has beauty. The pain that separates us, that makes us divided is ugly, and thats thats what i want. But i would love this to be something that we come together every year and celebrate what it is to be human today. Rose politics and the concert for charlottesville when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this week in washington. President trump and Republican Senate leaders are engaged in a search for votes in a lastditch effort to repeal and replace obamacare. Senate leader Mitch Mcconnell announced he will bring the grahamcassidy bill up for a vote before next friday, perhaps wednesday. Joining me is mike allen, make john boehner and editor of the axios newsletter. Let me begin with what we heard, john mccain announced he will vote no. What are the implications of that for the grahamcassidy bill . This is a very traumatic moment. Almost certainly kills the grahamcassidy bill named in part for senator mccains close friend Lindsey Graham of south carolina. The bill could not lose another vote and this means it likely will go down. The amazing thing about this is, charlie, that Republican Leaders once again got themselves out on this limb. Like, i dont know how many times Republican Leaders need to put their hand on the healthcare stove to learn that this is not going to have a happy ending for them. So senator rand paul of kentucky a hard no, senator john mccain a hard no, senator Susan Collins of maine saying likely no and thats enough to kill it. The other vote that was in doubt, as you know, senator Lisa Murkowski of alaska. But, charlie, you look at any of the fact checks about this bill, dig into the policy of this bill, and this was going to be, of all the different versions that have come up, this was going to be one of the hardest on end users. It was arguably rewarding blue states rewarding red states at the expense of blue states, and, so, the policy in it was always problematic, and now we see with senator mccain the politics also problematic. In senator mccains statement saying he was voting no and saying he did this with no joy, but the line in there that was so memorable and thats going to provoke a lot of conversation here in washington is very consequential for where our country is right now is he said that he thought something this big needed to be done in a bipartisan way, needed to include both parties, heres the key line in senator mccains statement he said that wasnt really tried. So the fact that republicans are going to once again try to pass something by themselves, thats what he hung his hat on. Charlie, there was another huge issue here, and something that a hole that i dont think republicans were going to dig themselves out of and that was the jimmy kimmel factor, the abc late night host who in the most personal of terms talking about his own child and what his child had fought, had said that this bill broke a promise to him by republican senators that they were going to continue to cover preexisting conditions even for people whose last name isnt kimmel, even for people who cant afford the millions it might cost to have some of these surgeries. Three nights in a row, charlie, he talked about how Senate Republicans were trying to hurt the American People saying theyve not been honest about what was in the bill. And this might be the first, charlie, on a late night comedy show putting up a screen showing the Telephone Office numbers of on the fence senators, republicans didnt have a good answer, all the fact check said that jimmy kimmel was right, that is a tough thing to overcome. Rose saying this bill, if it shifted to the states, would not necessarily guarantee preexisting conditions would be covered, if so the premiums would be so high no one could afford them. Exactly. You might hit your cap and then you would have to pay out of your pocket to potentially for some children including someone who had some of the treatments that the young kimmel did, that it would be unaffordable for anybody who doesnt have a latenight comedy show on abc. Rose exactly. So what does this mean for obamacare . Well, charlie, it remains the law of the land. I think there will continue to be small efforts to fix it, but republicans, theres no way republicans are going to be able to say they repealed it. Republicans, whatever theyre doing, whatever they do in the future, they will do it from the back foot, as our british friends would say, and are going to have to involve democrats, and i think this is a trend that were going to see, charlie, that one of the arguments for why President Trump started doing some of the democratic deals, started doing his deals with chuck and nancy, as he calls the senate and House Democratic leaders, is because he has to. The math just doesnt work without them. There are a couple more bills where there was the possibility of using the, as they call it, reconciliation, the mechanism that will allow you to do it with only republican votes, thats running out. The president has no choice but to involve democrats, and, so, thats what were going to see for anything still coming up. Rose if tax reform is the next order of the day and the president decides to cooperate and negotiate with schumer and pelosi, is there a tax reform bill possible . Yes and yes. The big question is whether or not it will include democrats. It is possible to do it with only republican votes. Such a treacherous path and the white house is very optimistic about getting some Democratic Senators who are up for reelection in trump state to join with them and that would give them the margin of victory but also allow them to say this was not a republicanonly bill. Charlie, ive been a bear about the idea that anything was really going to happen substantially on tax reform. It is now looking more likely than it was, charlie. Some sources on the hill will tell you still less than 50 50 but more likely than it was before, and if we have something, charlie, the most likely package is threepronged. One, there will be cut in corporate rates. Second, there will be a cut for Small Businesses that basically files individuals as a pass thru. Third, there will probably be a tax cut for individuals who make 150,000 or less. So the president making sure that theres a notable, substantial measurable tax cut for trump voters, and hell do something for corporations, not as much as he planned to from the beginning. So what were down to is a package of pretty cut and dried tax cuts. None of the systemic reform that so many economists argue this country needs to be competitive in the new world. No tax reform since the reagan years. Theres not a single thing about our company that hasnt changed since then except the tax code, so, once again, washington failing to do its job and failing to take advantage of some of the opportunities available in the global economy. Rose and the president believes he desperately needs a legislative victory which he has not had except for the confirmation of the Supreme Court justice. Thats right, and its not just the president needing it. As you well know, House Republicans going out for reelection in 2018, they need something to hang their hat on, and they dont have much of a story to tell at this point. So if youre a third of the senate being up in 2018, every house member up in 2018, they really need this for that reason, not only the ability to say washington isnt completely broken under the leadership of all republicans at both ends of pennsylvania avenue, but, also, charlie, very quickly this will kick in and have effects both psychological and real on the economy. That, of course, will help the governing party and that by itself could be a huge help towards theups reelection. Thats why so many republicans told you they wish they had done infrastructure, tax reform earlier, get the boost from the economy. The economys had a psychological spring in its step from what it thinks its coming as regulations and tax reform, but under tax reform you have real benefits to the economy and no single better predictor of who will win the upcoming elections. Rose the president has not been in washington this week, hes been in new york. And living in trump tower, back home, his own bed is that and playing havoc with the traffic as always during the General Assembly but also more so if the president is here. So whats the overall judgment about the president s very tough speech to the u. N. General Assembly Especially as it has to do with north korea, iran and venezuela . Yeah, charlie, so the president , in very harsh terms, calling out those three governments as rogue governments, calling them out in terms that were never used during the obama administration. So youre right about calling it a tough speech. Conservatives liked this speech, israel liked this speech. There were some trumpian touches in the speech that caused a lot of people to look askance, and there were some pictures of the white house chief of staff general john kelly with his head in his hands. The photographers tried to match up the time stamp on the photos with what the president was saying at that time, and one of the photos supposedly the president , of course, called the north Korean Leader rocket man, but he also called the North Koreans a band of outlaws, and one of the Associated Press time stamps on the photos of general kelly going like this as if he were a kid as if he were watching his kid strike out in Little League is when the president described the North Koreans as a band of outlaws. So the trumpian touches is what he wants to do, but the meat of the speech is what many republicans would like to hear, what his staff generally liked and, charlie, the gossip around the u. N. , around new york, and i was up for the Bloomberg Global business forum, the conversations you heard there from chiefs of staff and heads of statewise that theyre starting to get used to the president , that trump who was regarded as such an alien figure now less so now that hes been to some summits with these cop officials and its a mix of theyre just getting used to him and its a mix of when it comes to what he actually does in Foreign Policy and National Security policy, its very much within the 40yard lines of what you would expect a president jeb bush or president marco rubio to do. Rose in fact, there has been an uptick in his ratings as well. Notably so, partly because to have the handling of the hurricane, i think probably because of some of the publicity they got because of the deals with democrats. And, so, the president , were told by the people who are with him all day, like, is in a great mood. Like, he loves all the leaders that are at the u. N. Suck up to him as the host when hes there and he likes the great publicity hes getting and he loves the print covers, the tv, he soaks it all in. This great moment reported by the New York Times where the president called the Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and said, are you watching tv . He said, on fox news theyre praising you and on your channels, apparently referring to cnn, on your channels theyre praising me. Like there is nothing that makes this president more excited. Rose well, he cant be excited hen he goes back to washington and finds out robart robarrobertmueller and the tents and closer focus on Paul Manafort who used to be his Campaign Manager and evidently the effort to reach inside the white house with respect to conversations the president had with the Russian Foreign minister and others. No, youre right, charlie. This is a dark cloud. A fascinating quote that appeared in the Washington Post this week quoted a Government Official as saying that there is now an era of inevitability about the mueller prosecution, and its not inevitability of any certain outcome, but it is that it is going to be full court press until the end, that the prosecutor is taking a more expansive view of his role than anybody knew, as you point out, including his investigation, those oval Office Conversations and the way we know this is theyre based on requests for documents and interviews to the white house the special prosecutor shows his hand a little bit by saying i want to talk to these six current and former aides including the former chief of staff reince priebus, including sean spicer. Rose apparently they also have wiretaps of Paul Manafort even after he left the trump campaign, apparently, from some reports and, secondly, the request for documents seem to look deeper into the president s financial background even before he became president. No, charlie, thats exactly right, and the water gate aura around this probe became even more acute because now we know that there are months, perhaps years of tapes that the prosecutors in this goes back to when to before bob mueller buzz wawas in charge of the investigation. They got a f. I. S. A. Warrant that was difficult to get to record phone conversations by Paul Manafort and its possible the president s voice son the tapes. There was no wiretapping directly of the president in trump tower so there is no particularly vindication of the tweet by him, but the fact that Paul Manafort was recorded at the time that he was running the trump campaign, it makes it possible and i would guess even likely rose i would, too. That the president son those tapes. Rose let me turn to one last issue which is the whole notion that the five of the biggest corporations in america are Tech Companies out of Silicon Valley, certainly includes apple, amazon, google, and these companies are under increasing scrutiny because to have the centrality of their business into our lives, as well as their huge resources. Charlie, thats so right. An here and here in washington, there has been a wind sheer in the sentiment about these companies. Until very recently, such a romantic view of these companies. They make so many Amazing Things possible, but now you have the extremely unusual situation of republicans and democrats agreeing on something. Charlie, im told both republicans and democrats looking to ways that they can use legislation to rein in these companies. On the republican side, they are going to emphasize the National Security and the Homeland Security elements of the data thats out there and the efforts by foreign governments to use platforms that include facebook to influence elections. Democrats more concerned about ththe monopolistic elements of. Republicans very unhappy with these companies because of the cultural differences. They see them as being for open borders and for liberal social policies, but, charlie, of course, you recognize the great irony of this on two fronts. One, the president himself said he might not be president without twitter, that the connection he had with voters was very important. Second, more and more evidence all the time including now facebook saying its going to turn over ads that were purchased by russian operatives, that maybe facebook helped the president. So irony one there, republicans mad at the companies that helped trump become president , but second what these groups and lawmakers who are pushing this have spent their careers and raised a lot of money being against government, but they are for reining in these companies. Democrats, the first specific move thats been taken on capitol hill buzz by senator mark warner of virginia and amy kobe share of minnesota who on thursday sent around a twopage Dear Colleague letter looking for cosponsors for a bill that would codify some of the promises facebook made about increased transparency and regulation of political advertising. So this is a big fight. You and i were talking before we went on the air about the david brooks column this week saying this could be a defining issue in american politics, that we have a war on business coming that is a sign, david brooks pointed out that trump is not necessarily a one off, that the stream of republican sentiment behind trump could fuel this continued effort to rein in these big companies. So, charlie, i know you have lots of conversations with Silicon Valley as i do, and this has been eye opening for the leaders out there, but they know that they are now in the barrel. Rose david brooks column also suggests that the populism we saw in brexit and the election of donald trump began some time ago and what has emerged is, in a sense, it is a conflict between elites, as we say, on both coasts, as we say, but elites are everywhere, and average working men and women in america, and this has been a forward progression of a big idea thats come to fruition with the trump election and might very well extend beyond donald trump and the central focus of it will be antibusiness. No, thats right, because, charlie, this brings together so many issues that fueled the trump phenomenon. So if you look at income inequality, the great wealth thats been amassed in certain places, the huge amounts of data these companies have amassed about us, the ability of foreign governments to interfere in our elections, so you have the perfect storm of fake news, trump, mueller, hillary clinton, because we learned a hot focus as the bloomberg story put it of muellers investigation is how these social platforms were used in the election. So the parties are coming together, the Great Stories of the year are coming together with the Tech Companies focus, that aint where you wanna be. Rose mike, thank you so much. Charlie, happy weekend. Thanks for having me. Rose mike allen from washington. Well be right back, stay with us. Rose Pharrell Williams and Dave Matthews is here. One is a tentime grammy Award Winning producer, song writer, fashion icon and artist. The other sold more than 35 million albums and front man of a group to have six consecutive albums debut at number one. Sunday they join forces to raise money and awareness in the wake of the violence in charlottesville. Its called concert for charlottesville, an evening of music and unity. I am pleased to have both of them at this table, welcome. How did this concert come about . This is your hometown. Yeah, traveled and lived in a lot of places in my life, but most of the band is born and raised in charlottesville, and i love that town. Its more home than anywhere in the world for me, and my family being if the band is my family, which they are, that is where my familys from, in a sense. And when this happened, when this happened, that terrible day happened in charlottesville, the Immediate Response is horror, but then after that you think what can we do . How can, when weve weve, as a country, weve sort of pretended to acknowledge, or in ways we have been faced with our history and the horrors of our past, of slavery and the struggle for civil rights, we faced that and we have this pretense that weve tell with dealt with it, you know. Rose charlottesville showed otherwise. Charlottesville showed us that that ungrounded hatred thats born out ofi of ignorancd out of a history that can be picked apart and rearranged, it twisted the truth to a point where there was violence, unjustifiable violence, rage and hatred unfounded, because racism and hatred in that sense is only only comes out of ignorance and a denial of the truth and murder, and thats a terrible way for the world i knew we had to do something because charlottesville i would go a year ago and someone anywhere in the world or even in the u. S. And people would say yall are from charlotte, west virginia, where . Now people in cape town, nairobi know where charlottesville is, they know it and know its where nazis are. Thats not my town. Thats part, but its not my town. Rose so the decision came, lets do a concert. Yeah, and i called on another virginian. Rose from virginia beach. Yes, sir. Rose here people are coming together for a concert, in a sense, to reflect what . I think i just think that we just as a country, we need to open our eyes, and there are people who say, what . And, oh, why are you making such a big deal . Well, its like, you know, if youre not africanamerican, you dont understand what its like to be africanamerican in this country. I may look like i am successful, it may seem like i am successful, but if i am only enjoying it, and there is millions and millions upon millions that are not, then im not successful. Im successful when were all successful, and, you know, being from virginia, i know there is systemic racism. Ive seen it growing up, and we just, you know, when dave when dave reached out, i thought it was a Good Opportunity to sort of turn on a light, you know, to get people to understand, like, this is a very real thing. And you feel like you can relate, but, you know what . When you go to bed, were still black. Were still dealing with this. Im africanamerican. That means Africa Africa is in me, but american means this is where i am. This is what im subject to. So when we say the pledge of allegiance, were saying the pledge of allegiance to the progression, to some of the progression thats happened in this country, but its mostly for the potential. Its mostly for the potential of what this country could be if enough of the logical minds get together and reasonable minds get together to make fair and just laws and have people to uphold them. Right now, like, you know, were having unarmed motorists murdered, and were having officers who are suppose to uphold the law, were having them be acquitted left and right. What kind of message does that send to a child . Its steps like this with what dave and i are trying to do, its just like bringing the culture together so that we can talk and be realistic about these issues. You know, when you have a president that says these beloved statutes, well these statutes represent a time when people talk about heritage, a heheritage of what . Of people who wanted to fight to keep slavery. You have people complaining left and right about taking a knee during the national anthem. People say there is a time and place for everything. Well, youre right. The time is right now, the place is right here. Rose the point of this is to do what . Is to open a conversation about America Today . Because what happened in charlottesville, in part, was the unmasking of white supremacy. I was talking to pharrell earlier and talking about, listening to you, too, about what this could be and that this should be not one event that says, hey, you know, theres lets shine a light on whats possible and the truth of a future that incorporates more honestly everybody, and lets also acknowledge the terrible racism and bigotry that exists in this country and the true history of this country, but also that this should be something that goes on, that we should be doing we should be acknowledging and celebrating this into the future because the only way we can change the way that this creeping, fearful, hateful racism, the only way we can stop it from continuing to grow or continuing to exist and continuing to murder people, innocent people and keep people from being able to do what they want to do in their lives or having the advantage of what they want to do in their lives, we have to shine a light on it and we have to shine a light on bigotry honestly. We have to say what is our past . What is slavery . Who built harvard . Who built the white house . Who built uva . Was it Thomas Jefferson . I mean, he had a pencil, but what brilliant crafts people, what amazing people, talented people did that . Where are their names listed, you know . And we need to look at our past and see that not only was slavery the subjugation of an entire people, a people whose cultures were stolen from them, but also and this is my humble opinion but, also, it was a lie that we tell ourselves that the people that were running this country were somehow supermen who built the economy by themselves. They didnt build the economy that allowed it to be what it is without being on the backs of thousands of people who did not get acknowledged. Rose what was your reaction when you heard the president s First Response to this . Several things. I was appalled that someone that holds the highest office would have that kind of tone deaf reaction. Rose suggesting there was fault on all sides, he said. Right, until your people have done to you whats been done to us for over 400 years, in layers, though. In layers. In layers. And i also wasnt surprised, you know. I also wasnt surprised. Like, no one listened to me when i said, hey, man, Pay Attention to this guy. Rose because . Hi knows what hes doing, and hes supported from so many different angles. Rose you think those White Supremacists and neonazis were given they are being used, just so you know, they are being used. Okay . When they look up and realize that their grandparents are no longer eligible for medicaid is going to be gone, the health care is going to implode the way it is, insurance is going to go up. When they recognized how theyre being used, you know, its going to be very interesting when they realize how theyre being used because it really, at the end of the day, you just go with the flow. If youre trying to use a system and not have a system use you, you figure out the way the current is going. So if you see that racism is a very easy wave to ride, you ride that. Its really what its about for you classism. Rose economic classism. Of course, at the end of the day, thats what this is about. The tax structure tells you everything you need to know because if you have enough money, doesnt matter what color you are, if the taxes make sense for you. So its not is it really . Like, you use racism because you know racism is the easiest thing to keep people at each others necks, especially when you compartmentalize cultures. Rose so what do you think, pharrell, is going to be necessary for the country to change, especially on the question of race . Before you can ever get to any kind of appreciation, you have to have empathy. Everybody has to be willing to open their eyes and step outside their comfortable box of understanding and put yourself in another persons shoes. And there is just not many people willing to do that. Theres just i wish, i hope and i pray, but empathy is the only way, only until you have to subject your son or daughter, which i have three sons and a daughter now, only until your children are get in a position where theyre susceptible to this kind of treatment is when you start thinking about these things. The opioid is an issue now. Before, they were locking up blacks and hispanics. Now, its lets dont lock them up, lets get them treatment, because it spread. And that is the way these things work. That is what the supremacists should all understand, you know what, its all good now, but, historically, it wasnt just the Jewish Community or the africans or hispanics or latinos, it wasnt just them. It got to a point where they started being prejudiced against facial features, eye color and hair color. That did happen, and it can happen in this country, too. And height. I mean, there was that not long ago, you know, how do we choose the right size of person, whats the best that was a real thing, and thats all that happens. If you succeed in separating, oh, this is the group that we want ideally, if you start like that, then soon enough thats going to get chopped in half. You will just keep going down it. What we need the word empathy is the perfect word. Its also to understand that we are together or to gain understanding, that the only way we can truly move forward is to realize were in the same boat. Rose yes. And the boat i mean, its because we dont realize that that black men are being unarmed black men are being shot and the people that shoot them are being led off. Rose by juries. By juries and judges. That is that we cant see that its happening so frequently that and all you have to do to understand how crazy it is is imagine a white kid or a white young man in a car unarmed being shot five times by a police officer. Can you imagine the outrage . Murdered and then rose or somebody taking a car and driving it into a crowd to kill somebody. Or all of it is it is so confusing. But if we understand that, in truth, if we begin to move forward to the idea that were in the same boat, you realize that my poverty and your poverty together have more power to find a solution than my poverty against your poverty. Because my poverty against your poverty feeds the roof. If we dont realize that and i dont care if somebody thinks its socialist. If we realize the government needs to serve the people who have the least, not the people who have the most. The people who have the most have the most. Why . You pointed out, you said if it were a white male with five gunshots, right, youre right, because if it were white women, it still wouldnt be a big deal because there is a gender inequality in this country, too. When it comes to women, they dont care, even when its their own, they dont care. But you also cant leave out the gay, lesbian, queer, transgender, you cant rose but whats the role of music, the power of music here . Music is the one thing that can enter a room and not get in anyones way but touch everyone. Its that one its the one thing. So as musicians, right, the term musician comes from one who listens or is inspired by the muses, all right, so were musicians, were interpreting, were bringing in these messages from the beyond, from the unseen to do, like, the good work, to do the good will. Thats what were trying to do. When this guys camp reached out im from virginia, as is chris brown, as is Missy Elliott timberland, the clips, deangelo, so many, all of us are just, like, man, what can we do . I think, also, that this is the beginning of something that what it should hopefully do is be the beginning of something we were talking about this earlier yeah. But i want you know, if possible to be the birth of maybe or at least part of an effort to influence the syllabus of what our children learn in school. I mean, because an interesting statistic is that most of the sort of this white supremacist movement, those decisions, in middle school, it may be around you, you may be thinking about it, but the decision where you sort of identify, i uh apparently, from what i understand, a lot of that decision, well, i am a white supremacist or i am a white nationalist, well, i am a lot of those decisions that you sort of stake as a part of your personality happens in high school, and i feel as though not that this concert is the single thing, but that it should contribute in an ongoing way to inspire a sell bus that will a syllabus that will change the way we teach our history so that people can acknowledge we all got here in different ways, but we are all here, and but, we need to know how we all got here, so we can understand how we relate to each other here. Rose know the history . Yes, truly know the history. The way we teach history whether the genocide of nativity americans, slavery, womens rights, we tend, because its written by the people in charge generally, we tend to gloss over the mistakes or injustices or crimes against humanity. America doesnt think well, we dont teach our children that what happened to native manners was a crime against humanity or it continues to happen. Thats oppression. We havent acknowledged what happened to the africanamerican culture in this country is a crime against humanity and apologize as a nation for this crime, this hundreds of year crime. Rose thats what you would hope it would become, a moment in time in which a nation learned something. Absolutely. Rose notwithstanding how much progress it had made but the long road ahead. Yes, the crazy thing is a lot of the millennials, a large portion of the millennials are not into this, theyre not into the racism, they dont relate to it, they dont see it that way. A large portion of them. Some of them, their minds were poisoned by their parents, whatever environment they were in, but its really just older folks, at the end of the day. Not all of them, just some of them. And if we could just bring everyone together to go back to what you were saying earlier today, i mean earlier in the conversations which is what can we do . Well, weve got some answers for that, but i think the bigger question and real question is what will you do, what are you willing to do . Because rose so what would you like for people to be willing to do . Empathize. If there was a course that we could send a very easy course that someone could learn in 15 minutes but empathy is not that easy to learn rose why dont you put this in a song . Its different than happy. At the end of the day, for me, im not a politician, but rose youre not a politician but you are a leader and you are a role model and you are someone millions of people listen to, listen to you with your music, they listen to you in your performance, they listen to you on social media. There is nothing more annoying rose you have a powerful voice. I appreciate your opinion and your compliment, but theres nothing more annoying than someone preaching to you. Theres nothing more annoying than someone stumping. What i try to do is i try to hide it in the gear that i make. I try to hide it in the songs that i make. I try to hide it in any kind of collaboration. Rose whether the music or fangs. I just try to hide it because the greatest messages are the ones that you discover for yourself. I think a song like happy changes the world, and because i dont believe i dont believe that sadness accomplishes anything. You see something tragic somewhere, you can feel sadness, but if you do nothing, if you dont even turn to the person next to you and say, thats tragic, can i do anything about that . How can we stop that from happening . Sadness doesnt serve a purpose, but i do teink that the music, as an example because it came up in the conversation that song happy made the world a better place, and i dont mean that lightly. I mean i truly, truly think the world was improved and even as that song came on, for me. Rose do you appreciate that . Im grateful for it and im grateful to hear it, but i do have to say i was more so a vessel for that song. So i was charged to do something for a pivotal scene in a film and had no idea what it could actually mean outside of the context of the film. So i cant really take credit for a task that i was given. I had no idea what it would turn into. I never know. Rose what has it turned into, in your judgment . To things that leads you guys say nice things like you go. Just so you know, im the mr. Mctaboo of music. I im mr. Magoo of music. Rose youre a catalyst. Im a vessel and honored to be used. Is that so people will see this concert, will attend this concert. Its in a stadium the virginia stadium, right . Yeah. Immediately, i hope people will see this and go, you know, its not alpeople is aing that its not all people saying we want to kill jews or you know, there is hope in the world. Its not all war. Just the feeling of, ah rose there is more of that there than by far the evil. I want to be hopeful all the time because, without hope, whats the point . We have to always remind ourselves to dance in that beautiful part of humanity, the thing that the pain that is common pane has beauty. The pain that separates us, that makes us divided is ugly, and thats thats what i want. But i would love this to be something that we come together every year and celebrate what it is to be human too and what that means for the future and how to look at our past and not be, like, look at the history of america and say, oh, we should be ashamed. No, but look at the history of america and say what is the truth about our history . And not wear it like, oh, ive got to walk around like this, it is what is true, who died . Who suffered . Who was sub je subjugated and t . Who brought us to this . With that knowledge we can be wiser. But if we go forward thinking i dont know, i get so tired of the denial of the enormous problems that face this country that have to do with race or gender. Rose economic inequality. Yeah. Rose economic in inequality. Nick inequality which makes me crazy how we defend the rights of the wealthy. Economic slavery, how about that . If you have to choose between feeding your kids or fixing your head light and you get pulled over by the cops and then you you know, life, that person is an oppressed person because they cannot escape poverty. This country should not be doing the utmost it can for the wealthiest classes. It should not be is that when you took the time away from touring, was it an introspective period for you or are you just resting . Im hyper and i was writing and spending time with my kids and i traveled, i got to go back to south africa again and visit with family and friends there, and i took a trip to nairobi, and i hope that im always thinking about i think theres always music. I was writing i hope i feel like it made me love my band more. It made me miss them. It made me want to do more things in music. It makes me look at my kids and think that, if the future if we manage to survive ourselves, if they can survive us that the future is going to be okay. But, you know, i just i dont know. Its hard to take time off of your own brain, but it was a time for me to, i guess, reflect a little bit on my good fortune and see out of the you know, you get in the own spiral of your world and its hard to see the problems with a lot of things, its hard to see outside of yourself. Rose where are you in your own life and in your sense of, with all the good things that happened to you, at the same time as you said in the beginning, you are a black man in america. Mmhmm. Ro yet life has been very good for you at the same time. I hear you saying i can never be complete until we have some sense of empathy for people who have not had it. Thats right. Everybody deserves a shot and thats what the American Dream promises. It just doesnt really hold up when it comes to us. By the way, i really there are more white folks in america on section 8 than there is blacks. This is interesting. This is something that, you know, it resonates in my mind because when i left the u. S. , i grew up as a kid here, and then i went to south africa and, at that point, apartheid was still you know, it was on its last legs but it was still the system, people were still being murdered to try and maintain it, and then i moved back. When i finished high school, i still talked like an american, i wanted to come back to america and i wanted to play music. I didnt know what i wanted to do, but i didnt want to go to the military. I got my papers in south africa and i didnt want to go there so i came back to america. One thing that struck me, doesnt surprise me now, but in the newspapers, very rarely did they sort of talk about draw the economic line, you know, 50 of people below this income are inclined to, you know, have domestic violence, and it goes less as you go up the scale. I was surprised by how often random different sort of what i saw as economic reflections were divided into race, instead. And i thought that was just strange. It surprised me because i guess i was young and i was ignorant to a great deal of the racism that was so alive in america. I think quite often we draw that line. When you said that, it made me think of that. The truth is that there is more you know, white people in poverty, quite a lot more white people in poverty than there are black people in poverty, but its not proportional, but that is easy to identify because you look at our history and the distance that people have to the distance that people have had to travel. I do think its interesting that in the conversations, very often we draw the race line, but we dont draw it when were really looking at our history. Thats when we dont why are things like this . And thats why we dont draw it. Theyre like this because theyre designed to be this way. Thats all. And i just think that, you know, if this concert could bring people together to have them, like, start real, true realistic conversations, like you said, about history and the way things are set up to effectuate change, we can get to a good place where we can actually, like, begin to feel good about what we have here. Its tough, its tough to feel good about anything when its only set up for the few. Its only set up for the few. Like you said, you know, the africanamericans on wellfare, we dont want any of our people there. Our cultures done too much for this country, way too much for this country and now youre saying im going to go left on the latino population and all of that culture has done for this country. Its like this needs to change. Yeah. Im not a politician. Im looking in the cameras, yall shouldnt get used to this, im not doing this a million times, this is where i am right now. Id rather to put it into music, id rather to put it into shows. But to debate, we didnt have a debate, but there are people who love doing that. I dont love doing that. Im a musician, thats what i love being, and i try my hardest to put it back in the culture as much as we can, as much as i can do to bring the corporations to understand the things they can be doing to help us in these communities, the collaborations with other musicians and other people who have some light, thats my job, to organize. I feel like, and i think you do it and i hope i do it, its a we dont have to we can i think we can serve our society and our Community Best doing what we do, you know. I think we need politicians that listen to us, honestly, and we need well, we need leaders that will listen. But i think, if we all if we initiate conversations, honestly conversations about our past and about the possibility of the future and about empathy and i think there is hope, and thats what i feel, if i have any job, thats it and thats to sing about it. Or not to sing about et but to sing in a way that units people rather than thats what i think the political power or social power of a song like happy is because, mmm, made me feel like i could take on the world when that song comes on, still does to me. Rose thank you, great to have you here. Good to see you again. Thank you for coming back to the table. Thank you for letting me make cartoon noises. Rose pharrell. Yes, sir. Rose a concert for charlottesville, music of music and unity, streams live to a global audience sunday on several platforms including youtube and facebook. Thank you for watching. See you next time. For more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. 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