Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20240622

And ambitious. Rose Mark Halperin and John Heilemann and senator Claire Mccaskill when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we continue with our coverage of the 2016 president ial election. Donald trump continues to lead the republican field. He stayed on the offensive this weekend amid backlash from Republican Party leaders and others over his comments about women. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton proposed a tenyear, 350 billion College Tuition plan that came under criticism from republican contenders including marco rubio and jeb bush. Bush. Joining me are Mark Halperin and John Heilemann, managing editors of Bloomberg Politics and host of with all due respect. Im pleased to have them here at this important moment that big debate on thur night. Welcome. Thank you, charlie. Rose tell me about donald trump. Now that weve sa had some days since the debate and his comments afterwards, has it done any damage to him, or is it too early to tell . Well, we dont know, theres not been any conventional National Polling since the debate. Rose why not . Does it just take too long . It takes too long. Its summer, pollings expensive. There should be, because i hope someone does one soofnlt if you look at the fundamentals of the Trump Campaign, core supporters bring in new people, message, ability to draw Media Attention, money, name i. D. And his ability to dominate the race in a variety of ways, i think the fundamentals of the Trump Campaign are pretty much where they were before when he was the national frontrunner. Rose so he continue to be the national frontrunner and has a chance of winning the nomination . I think if he won the nomination, it would defy modern republican president ial history. So you still have to bring some skepticism to it. But in a 17person field, a guy who seems to be able to hold a fifth of the vote and has unlimited rose 20 . Yeah, 20 , and has unlimited resources in the ability to dominate the news, in an unpredictable cycle, who knows. Rose but if the issue becomes content of message, will that make a difference . In tend youve seen a lot of candidates who were populous, who got Media Attention but never anyone quite like donald trump and they never have been the nominee. The nominee has been the establishment candidate who raises the most money and is the most electable in a general election. That is not currently donald trump but this is an unusual cycle. Rose what could slow him down, john . Who knows. Rose what if the other candidates began to say, this is not a temporary phenomenon, we have to speak to what we think is bad for the Republican Party. Well, thats starting to happen a little bit, already, and its a little unclear whether that will affect his current level of support because a lot of people who are his current supporters do not care about the republican establishment, in fact they dont like the republican establishment. I think the question is whether as mark said, hes got about 20 now, maybe a little more than that. The question is that may very well be his floor which is to say he may never lose those people because hes done things that offended the sensibilities of the establishment, bassent changed their opinions. When i talked to a focus group of people in New Hampshire who are Trump Supporters and leaners towards trump, you could tell them all kinds of things rose after mccain. After mccain, before the debate, they would say, i dont care. He gives money to Hillary Clinton, well, everybody does. Hes a businessman in new york, theyre all democrats there. They would find a reason to rationalize and excuse things that would be apostasies for many other republicans. If thats what his floor, is 20 , how much above the 20 is the ceiling because eventually the fitsics of any race comes down to two people and 20 is not enough to win you the nomination. So the question is how much can he grow beyond 20 , and that is what we do not know. You know, the thing that all the polling shows right now is hes the most popular and unpopular republican which is to say by and large most Republican Voters say they would never vote for him. Half of them, you know, around that number say they would never vote for him under any circumstances, but that 20 seems like they might vote for him under any circumstances. So thats at the early phase of this race in iowa and New Hampshire, win the field 16 or 17, he could cause havoc in the party by winning early contests. Rose mostly in iowa and New Hampshire. Suppose. Would be hard to stop his momentum in the short term, but eventually the establishment quickly rally behind one other person. Rose marco rubio, john kasich, jeb bush. The thick we havent talked about with trump, with a normal candidate, we assume they could change, get better, improve. Trumps doing well in the polls. Hes not actually performing that well as a candidate. Hes not doing the things a normal candidate would do and youre saying youre doing well, primarily message discipline. When he talks about jobs and economy and trade and the border, he does better. When he picks fights with megyn kelly of fox or john mccain of the United States senate, the perception is he does worse. The campaigns intention is to roll out policy papers, have him talk about the issues hes been talking about for 30 years. Rose youre suggesting thats what the campaign is thinking right now. Right now. So the static analysis of it, we all say trump will continue to fight people and get side tracked on hes petty things. What if he starts to talk about jobs, economy, trade, leadership, attacking the establishment. You look at the polls, ted cruz, ben carson, carly fiorina, theyre all hot candidates. What do they have in common . Three along with trump have never held elected office, all want to fundamentally change washington. If trump can get on that message and jobs, johns right, i think now we see what his ceiling, is then i think he could grow higher. The question to marks point, the other peace of that is, so far, hes exhibited no capacity for message discipline at all which is to say anybody that raises an issue that can bait him in talking about tissue even when its not in his best interest, the specific issue now is he should have at this moment, even if he doesnt want to apologize to megyn kelly, after saying that, he should have moved on. Any normal candidate would say rose he has moved on. This morning on television he was asked about megyn yell and went back in for another five minutes. Rose he said hes very supportive of women. If you were sitting here now and you would say i want to talk about megyn kelly and what you said, he would plow right back into it. He would say, i deserve an apology from her and go right back into it. Rose i think one or two of you were on the program. I watched scarborough the next morning, and the complaint was as you well remember in the first seven minutes was that all the tough questions were against trump and not against the other candidates. That was the theme of the first seven minutes of that show. And he had some validity to complain about the way he was treated. But jeb bush says politics is about addition not subtraction. Trump is pusher people away, not just the establishment burks some people. When instead if he talked about leadership, economy, trade, china, again, thats what a normal candidate would do. People around him say trump must be trumped, you cant control him. But hes not a disciplined medged candidate and when he does he does better. Rose when push comes to shove, was that a bat debate, donald trump . I dont think he did much to dramatically help himself but i think he did. Rose was that a bad debate for jeb bush . Yeah, not a disastrous or calamitous debate burks he to my eye on the basis of is scattered and not totally reliable data suggested he did nothing to help himself but hurt himself, i think his supporters and advisors did not think he gave a quality of debate performance he will need to give to be the republican nominee. He was flat, uninspiring, not particularly optimistic, he did not come across as the best jeb bush. Rose but marco rubio did . I think he did. Rose do you agree . I think if hi performance moves the numbers. I think he impressed a lot of elites. Rose hes done that before. Thats right. You would agree the performance was better. Rose john kasich. Certainly helped his cause. Barely made it into the debate, had a hometown crowd but he was not very well known in the country, and he did give a perfect representation of who john kasich is. Whether like him or dont like him rose he didnt do anything not to like him, did he . No, he showed his trueself, optimistic, inclusive, bubbly, the demeanor, he gave, some people said, and i think this is kind of true, he did he gave jeb bushs message with enthusiasm, fire and optimism that was lacking on jeb bushs part. I thought jeb bush was not as good as he need to be to win. He need to show three things i dont think he showed in the debate. One is hes going to fight to change things and hes not just a father, son and brother. Two, he need to show energy and passion. That hes not just an intellectual, but he wants to get in there and really change things. Then he need to show, i think, he is first among equals in this group of 17 has to be president. Romney had to stand out and show im rising above this, im the adult and mature person. I dont think jeb bush did any of those things consistently and i dont know if he did the first two at all. Rose do you know if he has the plan or knowhow to do that . It was his first president ial dewait. Hes very selfconscious performer at times and i think he will get better as the field winnows eventually and will be in better standing and i think he need to practice. In the red state conference saturday he did much better. Rose who was in the red state conference. Ted cruz. He was also underrated at the debate. Hes got money, organization and fire in a way that i think, right now, if youre talking about who can be the nominee in this crazy, 17person field, i think hes undervalued. Rose you share that view . I think ted cruz did himself some good in that debate. Rose youre not quite as enthusiastic as he is. I think he did himself some good. I think i still think i do not think i i think the party has changed a lot but i dont think the party is quite ready for either a tshz, Mike Huckabee or a ted cruz, Mike Huckabee or ben carson. They wont have strength to prevail over people in the establishment or cross over between the two wings, whether marco rubio, scott walker, john kasich. To your kasich point about whether some people like him or not, there are things that kasich did that night that would make people not like him. He defended taking medicaid money under obama care. Rose something could be said about being able to take the position my point is there are people in the republican electorate that thinks thats anathema to them. He spoke in a sympathetic way about gay marriage and there are people in the republican electorate that think thats anathema. There is lots of ways to slice and dice rose i should be on with all due respect. You should there is the momentum of the first four states then the longterm gain of delegate accumulation. So ideally if you want to become the nominee, you would have both. You will have early states that you would do well and maybe win, and also have the money and a plan to win states down the line. Ted cruz looks strong potentially in three of the four states and this week hes on a bus trip in the southern states. Putting in place Leadership Teams to be available down the road. Again, except for bush, right now, cruz is the fundraising leader if you look at the campaign and the superpack. Rose busch and walker. Bush. Rose we talked about the debate performance of walker but in terms of going forward, is scott walker better off today than a week ago . I think hest not better off than a week ago because he continues to have the problem they all have. On the debate, he did not do anything bad, he did not really stand out on that stage, and all of them have the same problem, struggling with trump, and he has decided, walker i said he could straddle between the establishment and the debate, hes catering strongly to the base and making a strong play in iowa. And right now in this era, in the thicker ray of trumpism, its hard for people with that message to break through. The problem is none of these people, even jeb bush, none is wellknown. Rose because weve all been talking donald trump. In that debate with 24 million watching rose but john kasich got better known im basing this on what people said since the debate john john kasich. But this is the case with walker, rubio and stylistically bush, if john kasich is the nominee, it will be the exact john kasich you say on the stage. Hes not growing or changing. Hes been in this game for decades. Walker and bush have to change and grow and do what john kerry did when he ran, george bush did, get better, grow bigger. It happens every cycle. Rose did john kerry get better . Yes, he did. The staff around the president who gets the nominee invariably say, wow, one day i looked up and the guy i was working for stood up taller, seemed more president ial. John kerry definitely got better as a candidate, went into iowa and became a different kind of candidate. He fought for it. Right now, these guys and carly fiorina, theyre having trouble growing and getting that trial by fire because, for weeks, it has been trump. Rose what about carly fiorina. What about her . Rose is she Getting Better on the campaign trail . I think you saw her rose because we read about her trust you saw her give today a very fiery, passionate and i think very authentic attack on marco rubio and the republicans and womens issues coming out of the debate. The Republican Party now is giving Hillary Clinton the thing she needs which is someone to run against. You could say she should be focused on Bernie Sanders. Its not going to inspire the kind of visceral impulse to go on offense that this Republican Party does. She thinks shes going to be the nominee and as they behave in ways to give her what her and her strategists think are rich targets, she could come out and be on offense, and thats the worst part of this stretch is as long as shes basically running against herself and the press and the email scandal, thats a bad place to b. When she has a Republican Party to run against, she is in a much better place and looks better than in months. Anyone who knows her should look at what she did today in New Hampshire because it was her, and it wasnt scripted. I watched the video. Im sure people can watch on youtube. In talking about reproductive freedom, and marco rubio and his position on knoll exceptions for rape and incest. Rose i didnt know that with you his position. Thats scott walkers position. Rubios position was fuzzy up until the debate and subsequent interviews but hes taking that position and cam t campaign isnt denying it. He struck back late in the evening on her positions on lateterm and partialbirth abortion. But there has been widespread chart for a couple of weeks based on her performance. Rose shes Getting Better . No. Bad shape. Its beyond the question of the polling. What people are alluding to is people looked to her and said shes going through the motion. Its perfunctory to her. Doesnt seem like shes in this. Today in the question and answer session in New Hampshire, she was in the moment, she was in that campaign. I mean, its rare that all three of us, some more than others, have spent time with her and listened to her talk like a normal person, it is rare she displays that in public and she did today and i think that will help her, not just against Bernie Sanders but against the republicans, because he needs authenticity, compassion and engagement and showed that today. She had good moments in the speeches, but in terms of being out there by herself, no script, just performing, best day ive seen her have as a candidate in this cycle. Rose what roll has president clinton played so far in this campaign . I think thus far, it has been fairly minimal. No doubt theyre having many conversations none of us are privy to. If you talkpto people who are around her in brooklyn, they say hes in and out, not a domineering presence that they hear from him occasionally, meetings now and then. Its clear she talks to him and they will hear her say things that are clearly a reflect of his views about various things. But i think the one thing right now in brooklyn, from what i could gather, they know they have a lot of problems, but thats not a problem they think they have at this moment is either hes too much or too little involved. They seem to feel okay with that at this moment. Rose thank you for coming. Pleasure to have you here. Thank you. Always a pleasure. Rose well be back. Senator Claire Mccaskill is here and well talk about her new book and the vote in the senate over the Iran Nuclear Deal and much more. Back in a moment. Rose Claire Mccaskill is here. She was the first woman from missouri elected as a United States senator. She continues to serve in that position today. Her new memoir tells the story of her life in and outside of politics. Also called plenty ladylike. I am pleased to have senator Claire Mccaskill at this table. Welcome. Thank you, im thrilled to be here. Rose the table welcomes you. I have been excited. I wanted to get at this table for a long time n. Rose ferguson. We just had another act of conflict there last night. Its really hard. This is really, really hard. A combination of things. The narrative that the media took up immediately that it was the police versus the protesters. Its not that simple. The incident of Michael Browns shooting, the facts of that case, the physical evidence not the witnesses the physical evidence that was tested and analyzed separately by the federal government showed it was a justified shooting, but the protesters with unleashed but a there is a pentup frustration with an institutional bias in our Justice System. Its real. Rose whats the bias . Well, it has to do with marginalizing africanamerican people, assumption of guilt sometimes, a lack of resources to defend themselves in a system that can be byzantine and difficult to nav date navigate even with the best lawyer, a criminal Justice System that has go gotten off te path of drug court and reentry courts and trying to figure out a way to have someone become a fullfledged citizen of this country rather than institutionalizing them and warehousing them for years. So the Africanamerican Community and the protest community has a reason to protest, but it got very complicated in st. Louis because the facts of the Michael Brown case really werent the facts that supported the frustration that is being vented now. There are other cases around the country that i think probably show more clearly that sometimes Police Officers make assumptions they shouldnt make, but the vast majority of Police Officers and the vast majority of the Africanamerican Community wants to come together and wants to have a system that people can trust and feel like justice can, in fact, be blind, but weve got work to do on that. Rose but is there something i believe that as well. Is there something about the the way, on the one hand, we train Police Officers and, on the other hand, what happens in neighborhoods so that young africanamerican men become frightened and respond to force. Frightened and cynical and they and this is one of the problems we have now with these homicide rates, people in the community dont trust the police, and theyre not going to come forward and tell what happened when there is an act of crime if they dont believe the system is fair or just to anyone. So the stakes here are pretty big. The stakes here because our criminal Justice System doesnt work if people dont have faith in it. We wont be able to hire enough Police Officers if people dont believe that the law is going to be enforced fairly. So this is something we have to get after. Thats why youre seeing im optimistic, this is the first time im seeing some bipartisan support for criminal justice reforms. Rose over the years since Michael Browns death. Yes, bipartisan support for criminal justice reforms. Rose like what things . We had a hearing chaired by a republican on a National Level looking at the prison system and the failures the failure of the size of sentences and is it meaningful. Weve got 95 of the people in the federal penitentiary are there for nonviolent crimes, and were spending 7 billion a year. Rose the president is trying to do something about that. He is, but the good news is so are in republicans. D anger that you see in thet protest community, it is going toward a good purpose, i believe, because i think its forcing our attention to a problem that we need to get after. Rose whats changed in ferguson since the one year ago that Michael Brown died . We have reformed the Municipal Court system, we have acknowledged that we have to do a better job recruiting africanamerican officers. Youre seeing rose a year ago versus today, what are the numbers . I dont know the exact numbers. I know now the police chief is africanamerican. I know we elected more africanamericans to the Ferguson City council in a community thats majority africanamerican, there was only one member of the City Government that was africanamerican. We have improved that in the last year. We have done things with housing, jobs, education. We still have a long, long way to go, but there are people of good will, white and black, that are working very hard to do better in ferguson and st. Louis. Rose how do you explain last night . What happened yesterday was a peaceful protest during the day, and it got very late. There were 100 or so people there. This was after midnight, around midnight. The police knew that there were people in the crowd that were armed and, of course, shots began to ring out in several different places. The young man shot by the Police Last Night wasnt the only person shot last night. There were rival groups shooting at each other, a driveby shooting nearby, and, so, the police were responding to that. At the time it occurreddish there were more tv cameras and journalists than protesters. I saw that as a theme, by the way. But most of the problems in ferguson. At the beginning, that wasnt true. I saw one day there were literally four or five times as many satellite and camera crews as protesters. So the media narrative rose what does the presence of that much media do . I think it fosters some folks acting out, and i think it heightens this narrative that became calcified that this was about police versus protesters as opposed to the truth that it was not really that kind of thing most of the time. Most of the protesters yesterday and during all of the weeks of the ferguson turmoil were, in fact, peaceful. Its just a few outliers that the police have an obligation to protect everyone from the outliers. They have to protect the crowd. They cant deescalate when someone is shooting in a crowd of people. They have to act on their training and move to try to apprehend those folks and they do so at great danger to themselves. Rose do we need to change the grand jury system . I think the federal investigation showed the grand jury system was not the problem. They reached the exact same conclusion that the grand jury did in their independent investigation. I think no matter what had been presented to the grand jury, it would have been criticized. The physical evidence was the physical evidence and as somebody whos been a prosecutor and spent a lot of time in the courtroom prosecuting cases rose and you knew the people involved. And i knew what the physical evidence was saying. There was ballistic, blood, dna evidence, there was a lot of physical evidence and, when youre a prosecutor, you long for that kind of physical evidence because thats how you test the credibility of the witnesses. Which testimony of the eyewitnesses matches the physical evidence and which doesnt, and thats how you can tell about whos telling the truth about what happened because if it matches the physical evidence, it heightens the credibility of the witness. Thats what the frj sorted grand jury and the federal government sorted out and came to the same conclusion. Rose you think this is getting higher on the national agenda. I do. I think the pattern of practice and problems found in ferguson are real and true in Many Police Departments around the country and one thing we need to do in washington is get back to a Community Policing model. Rose putting more police in the communities per se. Getting to know the community, walking the streets, knowing the community leader, the ministers, the people, the teachers, the kids. That works. I watched it work in the 90s during the first wave of getting back to the cop on the beat. Weve got to get back to a Community Policing model. Rose i talk to a lot of my africanamerican friends and they all talk about the talk. They have to talk to their kid and say, be careful, be careful. No question about it. Rose nothing tougher. No question about it. There still in this country are two standards for a young white man and young africanamerican, the instructions from their parents are different, and we cannot have that in terms of their interactions with police. We need to have the same loving instructions from white parents and black parents to their kids. Rose well come back to the book in a second but lets talk about big issues that are also like this, a huge issue facing the country. It is the Iranian Nuclear deal. You have not yet decided . I havent. Rose Chuck Schumer has decided. Correct. Rose some others have decided. Some people from predominantly jewish communities have decided both ways, some support, some against. You acknowledge that you have been reaching out to those countries which will be affected by and have sanctions against iran and what would they do. What have you discovered . Well, i dont think a lot of people realize that we dont have the money. Other countries are holding e of the biggest arguments against this deal is theyre going to get, they say, 150 billion. Its really closer to 60 billion. Rose is it closer to 60 billion in toto or closer to 60 billion that they will have ablavailable to use, as the cris fear, to expand their support of hezbollah, ha assad 60 billion that could flow to iran if we did this deal. Rose what happened to the 150plus . I think people were making estimates. Rose so the 60 billion is rather soon . Not at once, but fairly quickly. The question is the deal has problems. I dont trust iran. Rose the president doesnt trust iran. Nobody trusts iran if theyre smart. What happens if we dont do the deal . What did it look like if we dont do the deal . Will they get the money . Will the worldwide regime of gangs remain . We got to the table, everybody worked hard at it, everyone united, even putin, china, everybody. Rose was the goal of bringing iran to the table and getting a nuclear deal . Correct. Rose nothing else, a nuclear deal . A nuclear deal. We got a nuclear deal thats not perfect, thats got problems, so, now, if we walk away, what about the countries that hold the money . Primarily, the countries that hold the money are india, china, south korea, japan. So im calling those countries. Rose what are you finding out . When a i talk to the chinese ambassador, he was pretty clear to me that while they would always respect sanctions imposed by the Security Council of the united nations, china does not recognize, he called them secondary sanctions imposed by the United States through their congress. So its pretty obvious to me that china is going to fray in terms of their willingness to not do business with iran. Rose nerd, if this deal does not Pass Congress and a veto is overridden as the way the deal is destructed, china says were not going to do sanctions anymore . Were not going to do any sanctions that are not imposed to the united nations. We will not work with and thats the way japan and other countries talk were not going to warrick as closely with the United States in terms of were not going to work as closely with the United States in terms of voluntarily people who do trade with iran voluntarily respected do we still have power . Yes but at some cost. We have power to say if you do business with iran, we wont do business with you, but i want to be realistic about how effective thats going to be. Not be abler build back . Thats the argument hes making. I want to check for myself, if i can. Rose is that what is crucial for you or is it some of the aspects of the deal that concern you more . I dont like some aspects of the deal burks what im most concerned about are they going to get 60 billion with us putting cement down their centrifuges or 60 and be three months, six months to breakout . And theres no question that they will race towards a Nuclear Weapon. Rose theyre a month and a half to two months as we speak. Correct, and they still have to do the last piece. Rose and attend of the deal once the deals imposed, they will be moving towards a year. I asked is, moniz, if we dont do the deal, will iran have a Nuclear Weapon by christmas . He wouldnt answer me directly yes or no, but certainly taken as a whole his answer indicated they would certainly be rose have one Nuclear Weapon. Careening toward that reality. Rose have enough fuel to do it and the delivery potential. The delivery potential and pieces of the actual theyll have enough uranium, enough to have the raw material to, in fact, do a weapon. So this is listen, you know, Chuck Schumer made his decision, the president is fullthrowed id in his support for the deal. Rose and in his anger at schumer. One might gather that from looking from a distance. Rose yeah. But im trying to keep the blinders on and try to figure out rose does schumer have influence on other senators . No, he really doesnt. I dont want to say Chuck Schumer doesnt influence anyone. Rose this deal is beyond that. Hopefully we all think we influence each other in the senate but this is a situation where this is a tough call. This is hard. This is not an easy rose the toughest call youve had to make once youve been in the senate . One of the toughest. There have been others in the state i represent. There have been changes on Climate Change because my state is coal dependent. Rose these are decisions that might affect your reelek. And also affect costs in my state for people on fixed incomes, so those decisions have been tough for me. This is really tough because there is so much riding on this one way or the other in terms of the power of iran and the safety of i recall. Rose people have sat where youre sitting and hours and hours of conversation about this and said they dont think the president negotiated well. Richard haas and others thought they were too quick to negotiate. Do you buy that or do you think the president simply got the best deal that was gettable at this time and could have walked away and said no deal is better than a bad deal, though my impression is he thinks this is a good deal for the United States, and thats what muniz and kerry and the president and Vice President are all saying, this is a good deal, this was the best way, and the alternative is a bad deal. I think the people who are characterizing what they could have gotten dont really know, if they were not in the negotiations. This is a little bit like monday morning quarterbacking after the game is played. Fink youre in the negotiations and sitting across the table from the p5 1 and all the countries are represented and keep in mind the other countries that embrace this deal, many of them are best friends in the world, i mean, you know, i talked to the ambassador from Great Britain rose p5 1. And his concern was the diminishing of the United States ability in the world to affect change and negotiation on a worldwide stage if, in fact, Congress Rejects this deal and the president is not able to participate fully in this deal. And regardless of whos president , that just for the United States, it diminishes the United States. Thats something i think about, too. Our friends are for this deal with the exception of israel. Rose right. And i think what Bibi Netanyahu has done in injecting partisan politics in israel is terrible for israel. Rose its not to the benefit of israel to do what he has done because hes been too what . Parpartisan. This has been an oasis of bipartisannenship. There was always we are united in our support of i recall and the way he came in here before his election rose two weeks before. It felt he was trying to get political advantage in his own election, it felt incredibly partisan. I think it was very damaging to this wall that has been built around israel in terms of bipartisanship and i think history will say its something that i hope he pays the it mr. The price for because i dont think it has strengthened earls in this country and thats too bad because i think people are looking at this through a partisan lens. Rose he did not help chances of influencing the congress by speaking before congress at the invitation of the speaker . He helped himself with the republicans of congress. Rose they pretty much decided. How many republicans do you know will vote for the deal. Maybe one. Rose who will that be. Maybe jeff lake. I hate to say his name out loud because i think pressure the raining down on his head. I would not say if it hadnt been said publicly, already. Rose will this hang on a few Democratic Senators in what will make the difference . You have to have 34. 41 would be a win in terms of the disapproval not going forward. 34 means his veto would be sustained. Rose explain this for everybody. In order to filibuster if the democrats are a minority, they would have to be able to keep the republicans from getting 60 votes. Correct. Rose for the passage of a resolution. To disapprove. Rose to disapprove. Then if it does pass and the president vetoes it, you need twothird. Correct. Rose and thats where it could really be very difficult . Right, because that would mean the president would need only 34 of the 36 democrats. Rose how hard is it to get 34 democrats . I think he will get 34 democrats. Rose so this will be approved . I will be surprised if its not. Rose first, national politics. Youre very strong in support of Hillary Clinton. I am. Rose i want to know what the conversation was like after you went on meet the press . It was very short. It was not pleasant. Rose it wasnt pleasant . No. Rose you basically said, i have real questions not about the politics of bill clinton but about his personal life and im not sure i made a gratuitous comment on meet the press during my debate running for the senate in 2006 and it was hurtful and dumb for me to say it and i immediately made every effort to apologize as i talk about in the book. Rose was it hard to get through to him . I didnt get through to them on the phone. Rose right. But i did write them both personal rose did you just decide to write . I decided to write first. Rose did you know it immediately, within hours after you said it . Yes. Rose or as soon as you said it . I felt good about the debate because i thought i had a Strong Performance and my team was elated over the debate. But i knew. My mouth gets me in trouble. I say what i think many times, and i dont have always have a filter. It has served me well in the long run, but sometimes, you know but i know when ive said something and i kind of go, ooh, why did i do that . It was unnecessary and dumb, but i said you know, i wrote and the first time i saw them i obviously went up to each one of them individually and said how sorry i was. Rose what did they say in. They were both very professional and pleasant and cordial and nice. Rose you supported barack obama in 2008. I did. I was honest with Hillary Clinton. I said, the best you can hope for is me being neutral because i have worked with barack obama. He was in my state. I believe that there is something extraordinary. They both did and bill clinton, everybody helped. Rose i thought you said it was an important issue. I understood you to say that it was important that barack obama had been there campaigning for you and that was one of the reasons you felt like you had to support him. He was there more. I worked with him as a senator. We worked together on legislation, and i thought he was something aspirational for our country. Rose more than that. You say your daughter said to you, you cant not support barack obama. Correct. She knew i wanted to support him, and i was not doing it, and she confronted me, as children have a way of doing in terms of grounding us. Rose so heres this interesting picture of you. On the one hand, sometimes your mouth gets in the way or you say too many things unedit and unchecked correct. Rose on the other hand theres a certain part of you thats conservative, too. Correct. And, you know, she figured out that the reason i wasnt endorsing barack obama had to do with the i knew i was going to get a backlash from women. I knew my women supporters would be bitterly disappointed. Many of them were all in for Hillary Clinton and had been my supporters for many years and some of them for not so long and they really supported me. Melanie malcolm has been terrific to me and the organization helped me so much. I knew how upset she would be. So all of that was playing in my head and my daughter confronted me and said, wait a minute, all these years when youve missed our events you said its about doing whats right and making a difference and you know you should be endorsing barack obama and youre not doing it because youre afraid of the political price youre going to pay. Rose and she was right. She was right and i called the next day and said im in. Rose your parents gave you huge amounts of confidence. They did. Rose tell me about it. You know, my mother was very embarrassing to me as a child because she was outspoken and opinionated. She would walk up to somebody, before she was on the city council, she would walk up to a city councilman at a p. The t. A. Meeting and grab him by the lapel and give him whatfor about whatever problem she thought he wasnt solving and we would walk around like, oh, mother and i realize now what an incredible role model she was for me, that she wouldnt let us be barbee queen of the prom game but a she said this is a stupid game because you get a dress and date and you dont win anything. Rose not for her daughter. No. Rose she gave you the confidence to get into politics. She did. Rose the stories, like knee pads, all the stories, how can i get the supporter of the state legislators, some of the things said to you unbelievable. Rose unbelievable. But i learned how to navigate and thats probably what i want more from anything in this book is young women embracing being strategic and ambitious. Rose what does strategic mean . I think the todd akin primary is a good example. That was high risk. It was very strategic and it worked. I think women have been h hesitt sometimes to get into the bare knuckle world of tactical politics, which, by the way, is politics. Rose you dont think that about Hillary Clinton. I think Hillary Clinton is very smart and strategic. Rose i know you do. And i think thats why i think shell be elected president of the United States. Rose you are out to support her this time. I am. Rose what did you say about Bernie Sanders . Too liberal for the Democratic Party . No, i think what i said, and it caused a huge ruffle of many of the people that are my supporters, a selfidentified socialist, i dont think, can get elected president of the United States. Rose hes for the same things youre for. What are things he believes in that you dont . I think he sees a more extreme view of how aggressive our tax structure should be. Im for changing our tax structure, but i think he sees, you know at times, hes talked about having the workers all own the corporations. He sees himself as a socialist, and i see myself as a capitalist who sees weve got to fix some things that are making the Playing Field unlevel. Rose and why is he renating so well resonating so well in iowa and New Hampshire . I think a lot of young people, liberal people are frustrated at the inequality gripping our nation now. I think its good hes in and talking about it. I think in the long run its good for hilary because she need to show shes a fighter. Rose some thinks beyond that. Some think what is resonating is theyre looking for someone who speaks truth to power. Bernie is sincere and these are beliefs he holds deeply. Very different than donald trump. Dont think im comparing derny to donald trump. Im not. What im saying is theyre both tapping into people who feel disaffected, who feel cynical about our government now who believe we have to shake things up and do things differently and thats whats going on, i think, in both camps. One is bluster and a buffoon, donald trump tarntiond other is Bernie Sanders who is sincere and cares deeply. Rose but too liberal for america. Too liberal to get elected in november 2016. But im grad hes there. Hes my friend. Hes terrific. Rose hes drawing huge crowd beyond anything you might expect. Yeah, i think he is. Rose what do you make of the fact that many people that hillary is polling negatively on the trust factor . Well, i think people youve got to take it in context. Everybodys all in on negative on hillary. I admire bernie because he has not been critical, especially in the same way that the republicans have been critical. He talks around issues he thinks he contrasts with hillary, but the republicans, i mean, think of all the candidates that are doing nothing, think of all the money and power in this country that is all aimed at Hillary Clinton. Its formidable everything thats aimed at Hillary Clinton right now. Rose all the money and power in this country thats aimed at Hillary Clinton . Look at all the money raised in super pacs so far. Rose on the republican side. Correct. I think its 200some million dollars. The candidates have only raised, like, 78 million, and we have all the money being stockpiled in the super pacs by all these billionaires. I think close to half of the money is just from 67 people. So there is a loft big money power that wants to make sure Hillary Clinton does not become president. Rose shes late to that game of criticizing wall street, though. Well, you know, i think she has if you look at her record fairly, this is a perception thing. People who look at her record fairly, shes someone whos been there on the front lines. Go back to it takes a village. Go back to her work on healthcare, her work on behalf of children, her work on behalf of raising the minimum wage. Rose when she was in the senate or her entire career. Etch has she came out of law school and could have commanded a big sal rirks she was working for not for profit childrens groups. Rose thats true about obama as well. But im saying this is someone who has shown throughout her career she cares deeply about. Families in this country and about the issues Bernie Sanders cares about and if we look at her record fairly, this is not somebody whos been toady for wall street. Rose its somebody who can have a theory that somehow middle class america will see it as an avenue for them to regain a plays had in the american community. I think shes smart in rolling out a plan for access and affordability to college. I look for her to do the same thing for drug addiction and Mental Health services. Its gripping our country now. Shes been talked talking to people and heard about it. At peoples kitchen tables as i listened to the republican debate, none of the issues were dued. Rose i thought the moderator did a good job in terms of holding peoples feet to the fire in what they said and follow up. I think so, but they didnt touch on the economic issues. Rose thats true, they didnt get to the economic issues. I thought megyns question was perfectly legitimate, didnt you . Of course. I tell you whats shocking to me is she would pose that question with all the adjectives he used about women that showed disrespect and a lack of civility that no one else on that stage spoke of and said anything anything. That was an opening a mac truck could have driven through. Why didnt anybody just speak up and say, i want to say for the record that i disagree with characterizing w men in that way in any circumstances. Thats one to have the problems i have. They think were making up the war on women, there was nothing in that debate that gave america a sense they would fight for women in any way, shape or form. Rose the book is called plenty ladylike. Tell me the story of the title. After the first debate with todd akin in 2012, he told the press i just had not been lady, like and it stuck. I had been told by the teach for when i was young that if i didnt quit speaking so much the boys wouldnt like me, it wasnt lady like. After that and the senate race i wanted to tell women its plenty ladylike. Rose your mother died a month before the election . A week. She campaigned with me. She was a miraculous politician in rural missouri. She could get out at a gas station, by the time we got back in the r. V. , every good old boy in the place had taken a bumper sticker. She was an amazing woman. Rose thank you for joining us. See you next time. For more about this program and earlier episodes,. Visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. 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