Transcripts For KPIX CBS News The Second Presidential Debate 20240712

Candidates will face off for the final time. You are looking at live pictures from the debate hall at can the bell in nashville, tennessee. Were seeing records broken already. Nearly 50 million americans have voted, and thats more ballots cast before election day in 2016. A rot of people. This is presidenPresident Trumpt opportunity to go face to face with a former Vice President. As you remember, their second debate was canceled when mr. Trump balked at a virtual format after he tested positive for covid19. Now, each candidate held an individual town hall one week ago. Both were tame affairs, compared to that first meeting, which you can describe as an overthetop slugfest, marred by insults and interruptions that left many wishing the organizers could simply just cut the microphones. So tonight, while one candidate is answering a direct question for two minutes, the other candidates microphone will be muted. The moderator, nbcs Kristen Welker, has chosen six topics fighting covid19, American Families, race in america, Climate Change, National Security, and leadership. Leading up to this debate, biden prepared while he stayed in delaware. The president held his debate prep in the spaces between multiple Campaign Rallies this week. Odonnell theres so much at stake. We want to bring in nikole killion. She is inside the debate hall in nashville. Good evening, nikole. Reporter good evening, norah. The Biden Campaign says the former Vice President will use tonight as another opportunity to speak directly to the American People and lay out his agenda. They view this debate as a test of prsidential temperament and say biden is prepared for whatever comes his way. They do expect the president will go after biden and his son hunter, but they think thats going to backfire. Biden told reporters today he hopes the president plays by the rules. Norah. Odonnell all right, lets bring in cbs paula reid, because she covers the white house and President Trump. Paula. Reporter good evening, norah. President trump heads into tonights debate with little formal preparation. He said this week, though, that he insists that he gets plenty of practice by fielding questions from reporters nearly every day. Now, Senior Campaign official says the president will try to focus, least some of tonights discussion, on bidens son hunter, but many of his other advisers are encouraging the president to let his opponent speak more than he did last time in the hope that biden will make some mistakes. Norah. Odonnell all right, paula reid. We are just moments away. And, John Dickerson, can anything that happens tonight change the trajectory of this race . Well, its the last moment of the race that is guaranteed to have a huge viewership. If it can, tonight is the night. Welcome you to the final 2020 president ial debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President joe biden. applause . Welker and i do want to say a very good evening to both of you. This debate will cover six major topics. At the beginning of each section each candidate will have two minutes uninterrupted to answer. My first question, the Debate Commission will then turn on their microphone only when it is their turn to answer. And the commission will turn it off exactly when the two minutes have expired. After that both microphones will remain on but on behalf of the voters im going to ask you to please keep one at a time. The goal is for you to hear each other and for the American People to hear every word of what you both have to say. And so with that, if you are ready, lets start. And we will begin with the fight against the coronavirus. President trump, the first question is for you. The country is heading into a dangerous new phase. More than 40,000 americans are in the hospital tonight with covid, including record numbers here in tennessee. And since the two of you last shared a stage, 16,000 americans have died from covid. S please be specific. How would you lead the country during this next stage of the coronavirus crisis. Two minutes uninterrupted. So as you know, 2. 2 Million People, modeled out were expected to die. We closed up the greatest economy in the world in order to fight this horrible disease that came from china. It is a worldwide pandemic. Its all over the world. You see the spikes in europe and many other places right now. If you noticed, the mortality rate is down 85 . The excess mortality rate is way down and much lower than almost any other country. And were fighting it and were fighting it hard. There is a spike. There was a spike in florida, and its now gone. There was a very big spike in texas, its now gone. There was a very big spike in arizona, its now gone. And there were some spikes and surges in other places. They will soon be gone. We have a vaccine thats coming. Its ready. Its going to be announced within weeks. And its going to be delivered. We have operation warp speed which is the, the military is going to distribute the vaccine. I can tell you from personal experience that, i was in the hospital. I had it. And i got better. And i will tell you that i had something that they gave me, a therapeutic, i guess they would call it, some people would say it was a cure but i was in for a short period of time and i got better very fast or i wouldnt be here tonight. And now they say im immune, whether in four months or a lifetime, nobody has been able to say that, but im immune. More and more people are getting better. We have a problem that is a worldwide problem. This is a worldwide problem. But i have been congratulated by the heads of many countries on what we have been able to do with the, if you take a look at what we have done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and everything else, and in particular ventilators. We are now making ventilators all over the world. Thousands and thousands a month, distributing them all over the world. It will go away. And as i say, were rounding the turn, were rounding the corner. Its going away. Welker okay, former Vice President biden, to you, how would you lead the country out of this crisis, you have two minutes uninterrupted. 220,000 americans dead. If you hear nothing else i say tonight to this, anyone who is responsible for not taking control, in fact, not saying, i take no responsibility i snishally. Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of america. Were in a situation where there are thousand a thousand deaths a day now. A thousand deaths a day. And there are over 70,000 new cases per day. Compared to what is going on in europe as the new england medical journal said, theyre starting from a very low rate. Were starting from a very high rate. The expectation is well have another 200,000 americans dead between now and the end of the year. We just wore these masks, the president s own advisor told him, we could save 100,000 lives. And were in a circumstances where the president thus far still has no plan. No exensive plan. What i would do is make sure we have everyone encouraged to wear a mask all the time. I would make sure we move in the direction of rapid testing, investing in rapid testing. I would make sure that we set up National Standards of how to open up schools and open up businesses so they can be safe and give them the wherewithal, the Financial Resources to be able to do that. Were in a situation now where the new england medical journal, one of the most serious journals in the whole world said for the First Time Ever that the way this president has responded to this crisis has been absolutely tragic. And so folks, i will take care of this. I will end this. I will make sure we have a plan. Welker President Trump, i would like to followup with you and your comments. You talked about taking a therapeutic. I assume you are referencing regeneron, you also said a vaccine will be coming within weeks. Yes. Welker is that a guarantee. No, it is not a guarantee, but it will be by the end of the year, but i think it has a good chance, two companies i think within a matter of weeks and it will be drubted very quickly. Welker you can tell which john. Johnson johnson, modern is doing well, pfizer is doing very well, and we have numerous others. Then we also have others that we are working on very closely with other countries in particular, europe. Welker let me followup with you because this is new information. You have said a vaccine is coming soon, within weeks now, your own Officials Say it could take well into 2021, for the earliest for enough americans to get vaccinated and even then they say the country will be Wearing Masks and does tansing into 2022, is your time line realistic. I think my time line will be more accurate, i dont know that they are counting on the military the way i do. We have our generals lined up, one in particular that is the head of logistics. And this is a very easy distribution for him, he is ready to go as soon as we have the vaccine, we expect to have a hundred million viels. As soon as we have the vaccine, hes ready to go. Welker Vice President biden, your reaction, and just 40 of americans say they would definitely agree to take the Coronavirus Vaccine if it was approved by the government. What steps would you take to give americans confidence in a vaccine if it were approved. Make sure it is totally transparent. Have the science, well see it, know it, look at it, go through all the processes. And by the way, this is the same fellow who told you this is going to end by easter last time. This is the same fella who told you that dont worry, were going to end this by the summer. We are about to go into a dark winter. A dark winter. And he has no clear plan and theres no prospect that there is going to be a vaccine available for the majority of the American People before the middle of next year. Welker President Trump, your reaction, he says you have in plan. I dont think we will have a dark winter at all. We are opening up our country, we have learned and studied and understand the disease which we didnt at the beginning. When i closed and banned china from coming in, heavily infected, and then ultimately europe, but china was in january, months later he was saying i was xenophobic. I did it too soon. You now he is saying oh, i should have, you know, moved quick are. But he didnt move quicker. He was months behind me. Many months behind me. And frankly, he ran the h1n1 swine flu and it was a total disaster, far less lethal but it was a total disaster. Had that had this kind of numbers, 700,000 would be dead right now. But it is a far less leltal lethal disease. Look, his own person who ran that for him, who as you know was his chief of staff, said it was catastrophic. It was horrible. We didnt know what we were doing. Now he comes up and he tells us how to do this. Also everything that he said about the way every single move that he said we should make, that is what we have done. We have done all of it. But he was way behind us. Welker Vice President biden, your response. My response is he is xenophobic but not because he shut down access from china. And he did it late, after 40 countries had already done that. In addition to that, what he did, he made sure that we had 44 people that were in there, in china trying to get to wuhan to determine what exactly the source was. What did the president say in january. He said no, he said this is he was being transparent. The president of cheuna is blg transparent, we owe him a debt of gratitude. We have to thank him. And then what happened was we started talking about using the defense act to make sure we go out and get whatever is needed out there to protect people. And again, i go back to this, he has nothing he did virtually, nothing, and then he gets out of the hospital and he talks about this is, dont worry. Its all going to be over soon. Come on theres not another serious scientist in the world who thinks it is going to be over soon. Welker President Trump. I didnt say over soon, i said we are learning to live it with it, we cant lock ourselves up in a basement like joe does. He has the ability to lock himself up. I dont know, he has obviously made a lot of money some place. But he has this thing about living in a basement. People cant do that. By the way, i as the president couldnt do that. I would love to put myself in the basement or in a beautiful room in the white house, and go away for a year and a half until it disappears. I cant do that. And kristen, every meeting i have, and i meet a lot of families including gold star families and military families, every meeting i had, and i had to meet them, i had to, would be horrible to have cancelled everything. I said you know, this is dangerous. And you catch it. And you know, i caught it i learned a lot. I learned a lot. Great doctors, great hospitals. And now i recovered. 99. 9 of young people recover. 99 percent of people recover. We have to recover. We cant close up our nation. We have to open our schools and we cant close up our nation, or youre not going to have a nation. Welker an of course the cdc has said young people can get sick with covid19 and can pass it. Vice President Biden, i want to talk broadly about strategy. May i respond to that. Welker 30 seconds. Number one, he says that were learning to live with it. People are learning to die with it. You folks home will have an emptchair at the kich be table this morning, that man or wife going to bed tonight and reaching over to try and touch thawr, out of habit where their wife or husband was is gone. Learning to live with it, come on. Were dying with it. Because he has never said, he never said it is dangerous. When is the last time, is it really dangerous still . You tell the people its dang rao dng rouse now, what should we do about the dangerment and you say i take no responsibility. Welker let me talk about. Excuse me, i take full resonsibility. Its a not my fault that it came here. Its chinas fault. And you know what, its not joes fault that it came here either. Its chinas fault. They kept it from going into the rest of china for the most part but they didnt keep it from coming out to the world including europe and ourselves. Welker Vice President biden. The fact is that when we knew it was coming, when it hit, what happened . What did the president say . He said dont worry. Its going to go away. Be gone by easter. Dont worry. The warm weather, dont worry, maybe inject bleach, he said he was kidding when he said that, but a lot of people thought it was serious. A whole range of things the president has said even today he thinks we are in control. Were about to lose 200,000 more people. Welker President Trump. Look, perhaps just to finish this, i was kidding on that, but just to funnish this, when i closed, he said i shouldnt have closed. And that went on for months. Nancy pelosi said the same thing. She was dancing on the streets in chinatown and san francisco. But when i closed, he said this is a terrible thing, you are xenophobe you can. I think he called me racist, even, because i was closing it to china. Now he says i should have closed it earlier. Joe, it doesnt work. I didnt say oort either of those things. You certainly did. I talked about xenophobia in a different context it wasnt about closing the border to chinese coming to the United States. Welker all right, want to talk about both of your different strategies. He thought i shouldnt have closed the border. That is obvious. Welker do you want to respond to that quickly, Vice President biden. No. Welker lets talk about your different strategies toward dealing with this. Mr. Vice president you suggested you would support new shut downs if scientists recommended it. What do you say to americans who are fearful the cost of shutdowns, the impact on the economy, the higher risk of hunger, depression, domestic and Substance Abuse outweighs the risk of exposure to the virus. What i would say is i will shut down the virus, not the country it is his inep teud that caused the country to have to shut down in large part, why businesses have gone under, why schools are closed, why so man people have lost their living, and why they are concerned. Those other concerns are real. That is why he should have been instead of in a sand trp in his golf course he should have been nshting with nancy pelosi and the democrats and republicans about what to do about the acts they were passing for billions of dollars to mawk sure people had the capacity. Welker you havent ruled out more shutdowns . Well, no, im not shutting down today but look, we need standards. The standard is if you have a reproduction rate in a community that is above a certain level, everybody says slow up. More social distancing. Do not open bars and do not open gymnasiums. Do not open until you get this under control, under more control. But when you do open, give the people the capacity to be able to open and have the capacity to do it safely. For example, schools. Schools, they need a lot of money to open. They need to deal with ventilation systems, they need to deal with smaller classes, more teachers, more pods. He refused to support that money, or at least up to now. Welker lets talk about schools. I think we have to respond, do you mind. Welker mees please and i have i a followup. Thank you, i appreciate that. All he does st talk about shutdowns. But forget about him. His democrat governors cuomo in new york, you look at what is going on in california, you look at pennsylvania, north carolina, democrats, democrats all, they are shut down so tight and theyre dying. Theyre dying. And he supports all these people. All he talks about is shutdowns, no, were not going to shut down. And we have to open our schools. And as an example, i have a young son, he also tested positive. By the time i spoke to the doctor te second time he was fine. It just went away. Young people, i guess its their immune system. Welker let me follow up with you, President Trump, you demanded schools open in person and insist they can do it safely but yesterday boston became the latest system to move its Public School system entirely online after coronavirus spiked. What is your message to parents who worry that sending their children to school will endanger not only their kids but also their teachers and families. I want to ep o the schools. The transmittal rate to the teachers is very small. But i want to open the schools. We have to open our country. Were not going to have a dri country, you cant do this. We cant keep this country closed. This is a massive country, with a massive economy. People are losing their jobs. Theyre committing suicide. Theres depression, alcohol, drugs at a level that nobody has ever seen before. Theres abuse, tremendous abuse. We have to open our country. You know, ive said it often. The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. And thats what is happening. And he wants to close down, he will close down the country if one person in our massive bureaucracy says we should close it down. Welker Vice President biden your response. Simply not true, we ought to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. We ought to be able to safely open, and they need resources to open. You theed to be able to, for example, if you are going to open a business, have social distancing in the business. You need to have, if you have a restaurant, you need to have plexiglass providers so people cannot infect one another. You need to be in a position where you can take testing rapidly and know whether a person is, in fact, infected. You need to be able to trace. You need to be able to provide all the resources that are needed to do this. And that is not inconsistent with saying that what we are going to make sure that we can open safely. And by the way, all you you teachers out there, not that many of you are going to die, so dont worry about it, dont worry about it, come on. Welker President Trump let me follow up. By the way i will say this, if you go and look at what has happened to new york, it is a ghost town. St a ghost town. And when you talk about plexiglass, these are restaurants that are dying. These are businesses with no money. Putting plexiglass is unbelievably expensive. And its not the answer. I mean you are going to sit there in a cubic el wrapped around with plastic. These are businesses that are dying, joe. You cant do that to people. You just cant. Take a look at new york and what has happened to my wonderful city. For so many yeared a loved it, it is vibrant it is dying. Everyone is leaving new york. Take a look at what new york has done in terms of turning the curve down in terms of the number of people dying. And i dont look at this in the terms of the way he does. Blue states and red states. They are all the United States. And look at the states that are having such a spike in the coronavirus. They are the red states. They are the states in the midwest, they are the states in the upper midwest. That is where the spike is occurring significantly. But they are all americans. They are all americans. And what we have to do is say wear these masksk number one. Make sure we get the help that the businesses need, that has money already passed to do that. Its been out there since the beginning of the summer, and nothing has happened. Listen, new york has lost more than 40,000 people, 11,000 people in nursing homes, when you say spike talk a look at what is happens ing in pennsylvania. Where theyve had it closed. Talk a look at what is happening with your friend in mitch much where her husband is the only one allowed to do anything. It has been luke a prison. Now it was just ruled unconstitutional. Talk a look at north carolina. Theyre having spikes. An theyve been closed and they are getting killed financially. We cant let that happen, joe. You cant let that happen. We have to open up. And we understand the disease. We have to protect our seniors. We have to protect our elderly. We have to protect especially our seniors with heart problems and diabetes problems. And we will protect them. We have the best testing in the world by far. That is why we have so many cases. Welker let may follow up with you before we move on to our next section, President Trump. This week you called dr. Anthony fauci the nations best Infectious Disease expert a disaster, an other medical experts as quote idiots. If you are not listening to them, who are you listening to. I am listening it all of them including anthony. I do get a lot well with all thonnee but he did say dont wear masks. He did say, as you know, this is not going to be a problem. I think he say democrat but that is okay. He sawed this is not going to be a problem. We are not going to have a problem at all. When joe says that i said Anthony Fauci said, and others, and many others, and im not knocking him, nobody knew. Look, nobody knew what this thing was. Nobody knew where it was coming from, what it was. Weve learned a lot. But anthony said dont wear a mask. Now he wants to wear masks. Anthony also said if you look back, exact words, here is his exact words, this is no problem. This will go away soon, so he is allowed to make mistakes. He happens to be a good person. Welker your response quickly and we will move on. My response is that think about what the president knew in january and didnt tell the American People. He was told this was a serious virus that spread in the air. And it was much worse than, much worse than the flu. He went on record and said tho one of your colleagues, recorded that in fact he knew how dangerous it was you about he didnt want to tell us. He didnt want to tell us because he didnt want us to panic. The americans dont panic. He pan you wered panicked. But guess what, in the mean time we find out in the New York Times the other day that in fact his folks went to wall street and said this is a really dang wrows dangerous thunking and the memo out of that, from some of the broker fell short because we have to get moving it is a dangerous problem. Welker i will give you 30 seconds to respond. I dont know, somebody went to wall street, you are the one that talks all the money from wall street, i dont take it. You have raised a lot of money. Tremendous amounts of money, and every time you raise money, deals are made. I could raise so much more money. As president and as somebody that knows most of those people, i could call the heads of wall street, the heads of every company in america. I would blow away every record but i dont want to do that because it puts me in a bad position. And then you bring up wall street . You shouldnt be bringing up wall street because you are the one that talks the money from wall street, not me. I could blow away your record, like you wouldnt believe. He dont need money, we have plenty of money in fact we beat Hillary Clinton with a tiny fraction of the money she was able, so dont tell me. Average contribution, 43. Welker were going to move on to our next section which is National Security and i do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight, just last night intelligence kemption confirmed russia and iran are working to influence this election. Both countries have obtained u. S. Voter reason straition information, these Officials Say, and iran sent intimidating messages to florida voters. This question goes to you mr. Vice president , what would you do to put an end to this threat. You have two minutes uninterrupted. I made it clear and i asked everyone else to take the pledge. I made it clear that any country, no matter who it is that interferes in american elections will pay a price. They will pay a price. Its been overwhelmingly clear, this election. I wont even get into the last one, this election that russia has been involved. China has been involved to some degree and now we learn that iran is involved. They will pay a price, if im elected. Theyre interferes with american sovereignty, that is what go og going on, interferes with american sovereign tee. To the best of my knowledge i dont think the president spoke to putin about it, i dont think he said a word, i dont know why he hasnt said a word to putin about it. And i dont know what he has recently said if anything to the iranians. My guess is he would probably be more outspoken with regard to the iranians am but the point is this, folks, we are in a situation where we have foreign companies, countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election. His own National Security advisor told him that what is happening with his buddy, well, i will, his buddy rudy giuliani, he is being used as a russian pawn. Hes being fed information that is russian that is not true. And then what happens, nothing happens. And then you find out that everything that is going on here about russia is wanting to make sure that i do not get elected the next president of the United States because they know i know them. And they know me. I dont understand why this president is unwilling to take on putin when he is actually paying bowntees to kill american soldiers in afghanistan. When he is engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of nato. You dont know why he doesnt do it, but its worth asking the question, why isnt that being done. Any country that interferes with us will, in fact, pay a price because they are affecting our sovereignty. Welker President Trump, same question to you, let me ask the question, will you have two minutes to respond, for two elections in a row now there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries, what would you do in your next term to put an end to it. Let me respond to the furs part joe got 3. 5 million from russia and it came through putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of moscow. And it was the mawr of moscows wife and he got 3. 5 million, your family got 3. 5 million. And you know some day you will have to explain why did you get 3. 5, i fever got any money from russia. I dont get money from russia. Now about your thing last night, i knew all about that. And through john who, john rot cliffe, he said the one thing that is common to both of them, they both want you to lose. Because there has been nobody tougher to russia between the sanctions. Nobody tougher than me on russia, between the sanctions, between all of what i have done with nato. You foe i have the national owe countries it to put up an extra 130 billion going to 420 billion a year. That is to guard against russia. I sold, while he was selling pillows and sheets, i sold tank busters to ukraine. There has been nobody tougher on russia than donald trump. And i will tell you, they were so bad they took over the submarine port, you remember that very well. During your term, during you and barack obama, they took over a big part of what should have been ukraine. You handed it to them. But you were getting a lot of money from russia. They were paying you a lot of money. And they probably still are. But now with what came out today, its even worse. All of the emails, the emails, the horrible emails of the kind of money that you were rawking in, you and your familiment d joe, you were Vice President when some of this was happening. And it should have never happened. And i think you owe an explanation to the American People. Why is it Somebody Just had a News Conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family. But what he said was damning. And regardless of me, i think you have to clean it up and talk to the American People, maybe you can do it right now. Welker Vice President biden, you may respond, and thern i do want to follow up on the election security. Have i not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. We learned this president paid 50 times the tax in china in a secret bank account with china, does business in chaina. And in fact, is talks about me taking money . I have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever. Ever. Number one. Number two, this is the president i have released all of my tax returns. 22 years, go look at them. 22 years of my tax returns. You have not released a single slitary year of your tax returns. What are you hiding . Why are you unwilling. The Foreign Countries are paying you a lot. Russia is paying you a lot. China is paying you a lot. And your hotels and all your businesses all around the country. All around the world. And china is building a new road to a golf course you have overseas. So what is going on here . Release your tax returns and stop talking about corruption. Welker President Trump your response. First of all i called my accountants, i will release them as soon as i can, i want to do it and show how successful and great the company is. But much more importantly than that, people were saying 750 dollars, i asked them a week agok i said what did i pay . They said sir, you prepaid tens of millions of dollars. I prepaid my tax over the last number of years. Tens of millions of dollars. I prepaid because at some point they think its an estimate, they think i may have to pay tax. So i already premade it. Nobody told me that. Nobody tells you that, excuse me and it wasnt written whenever they write it, keep talking about 750 which i think say filing fee. But let may just tell you, i prepaid millions and millions of dollars in taxes. Number one. Number two, you dont make money from china. You do. I dont make money from ukraine, you do. I dont make money from russia. You made 3. 5 million, joe. And your son gave you, they even have a statement that we have to give 10 to the big man, are you the big man, i think. I dont know, maybe youre not. But you are the big man, i think. Your son said we have to give 10 to the big man. Joe, what is that all about . Its terrible. Welker gentlemen, i want to ask you about questions. I have to respond. Welker i will let you both respond quickly. You just said you spoke to you are why accountant about potentially releasing your taxes, did he tell you when you can release them. Do you have a deadline for when you will release them to the American People. I get treated worse than the tea party get treated because there are a lot of people in there, deep down in the irs they treat me horribly, we made a deal, it was all settedded until i decide to run for president. I get treated very badly by the irs, very unfairly. But we had a deal, as soon as we are completed with a deal i want to release it. But i have paid millions and millions of dollars and it is worse than paying. I paid in advance, st called prepaying your taxes. Welker i want to ask you both about questions regarding your potential foreign endang entanglements and questions, to give you both a chance to talk about it more broadly. Respond yuckly and then i will get to my question. He has been saying this for four years, show us. Just show us. Stop playing around. You have been saying for four years you will release your taxes. Nobody knows mr. President. What they do know is you are not paying your taxes or you are paying taxes that are so low. When last time he said what he paid, he said i only pay that little because im smart. I know how to game the system. Come on. Come on. Welker President Trump, thern i want to get to two questions to both of you. I was put through a phoney witchhunt for three years, it started before i even got elected. They spied on my campaign. No president should ever have to go through what i went through. Let me just say this. Mueller and 18 angry democrats and fbi agents all over the place spent 48 million. They went through everything i had including my taxreturnses. And they found absolutely no collusion and nothing wrong. 48 million. I guarantee you if i spent one million on you, joe, i could find plenty wrong because the kind of things that you have done and the kind of moneys that your family has taken. I mean your brother made money in iraq. Millions of dollars. Your other brother made a fortune and its all through you, joe. And they say you get some of it and do you live very well. You have houses all over the place. You live very well. Welker all right, gentlemen, let me ask questions about this broadly. Vice president beuden there have been questions about the work your son has done in china and you krawnian Energy Company when were you Vice President , in retrospect was anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical. Nothing was unethical, here is the deal. With regarding ukraine, we had this whole question aout whether or not because he was on the board, i later learned of burisma, a company that show i had done something wrong. Yet every single solitary fern when he was going through his impeachment, testifying under oath who worked for him said i did my job impeckically impeccably. I carried out u. S. Policy. Not one single, solitary thing was out of line. Not a single thing, number one. Number two, the guy who got in trouble in ukraine was this guy trying to bribe the Ukrainian Government to Say Something negative about me, which they would not do, and did not do, because it never, ever, ever happened. My son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about, china. I have not had the only guy who made money from china is this guy. The only one. Nobody else has made money from cheuna. Welker President Trump, let me, pi question to you. Just one secretary. His son didnt have a job for a long time, was sadly no longer in the military service. I wont get into that. And he didnt have a job. As soon as he became Vice President burisma, not the best not the best reputation in the world, i hear they paid him 18 3,000 a month. Listen to this, 183, and they gave hum a 3 million up front payment. And he had no energy that is 100 percent. Welker i. With. No bases for that, nobody said anything he did was wrong in ukraine. Welker President Trump, this is for you, since you took office you have never divested from your business, you personally promoted your properties abroad. A report this week which was referenced does indicate that your company has a bank account in china. So how can voters know that you dont have any foreign conflict of interest . I have many Bank Accounts and they are all lessed and they are all over the place. I mean i was a business man doing business. The banker account you are referring to which is, Everybody Knows about it, is listed. The banker account was in 2013. That is when it was. It was opened. It was closed in 2015, i believe. And then i decided because i was going to do, i was think being doing a deal in china like millions of other people. I was thinking about it and i decided im not going to do t didnt like it, i decided not to do it had an account open then i closed it. Excuse me. And then unlike him, where he ask Vice President and he gus business, i then decided to run for president after that. That was of about. So i closed it before i even ran for president , let alone became president. Big difference. He is the Vice President of the United States, and his son, his brother and his other brother are getting rich. Theyre like a vacuum cleaning sucking up money any place he goes. Not true. Welker we need to move on. I want to ask you Vice President biden about china. Lets talk about china more broadly. There have, of course, President Trump has said that they should pay for not being fully transparent in regards to the coronavirus. If you were president , would you make china pay. And please be specific, what would that look like. What i would make china do play by the international rules. Not like he has done. He has caused the deficit with china to go up, not down. With china. Up, not down. We are making sure that in order to do business in china you have to give all your intellectual property, you have to have a partner in china, 51 . We would not do that at all, number one. Number two, we in a situation where china would have to play by the rules internationalically as well. When i met with xu and when i was still Vice President he said were setting up air identification zones in the south cheuna sea, you cant fly through them, i said we are going to fly through them, we just flew b1 bombers through t. You have to play by the rules, what does he do, he embraces guys, thugs like in north korea and the chinese president and putin and others. And he pokes his finger in the eye of all of our frinsk all of our allies. We make up, we are 25 , 25 of the worlds economy. We need to be having the rest of our friends with us saying to china, these are the rules. You play by them or you will pay the price for not playing by them, economicically. That is the way i will run it and that is what we did in upholding steel tariffs and a range of other things when we were president and adVice President. I have to respond to that. Welker okay quukly. You walked out with aw billion and a half dollars from china. Not true. After spending ten moneys in office and being on our force two, number one. Number two, there is a very strong, mail talking about your family wanting to mawk 10 million a year por introductions. Welker President Trump, on cheuna policy though what are you going to do, what specifically are you going to do to mawk china pay, you said you are going to pay. First china is paying, billions and billions of dollars. Welker new sanctions. I just gave 28 billion to our farmers. Taxpayers money. What. Ta that is tax pay are money. You know who the taxpayer money is china. Not true. Cheuna paid 28 million, you know what they did, they deval ud thawr krnsee and also paid up. You know who got the money, our great farmers because they were targeted. You never charged them anything. Also, i charged them 25 on dumped steel because they were killing our Steel Industry. We were not going to have a Steel Industry and now we have a Steel Industry. Welker okay, Vice President bied en, your response. My response is, there is a reason why hes bringing up all this malarkey. There is a reason for it. He doesnt want to talk about the substantive issue. St not about his family and my family, it is about your family, and your family is hurting badly. If you are mawking less than if you are a middle class family, you are getting hurt badly right now. Are you sitting at the Kitchen Table this morning deciding well we cant get new tires because we have to wait another month or so or are we able to pay the mortgage or who will tell her she cant go back to community college. Theyre the decisions you are making in the middle class families like i grew newspaper in scranton and clay ddz mont. They are in trouble. We should be talking about your families but that is the last thing he wants to talk about. That say typical statement excuse me, one second. That say typical political statement, lets get off this china thing and then the family, around the table, everything. Just a typical politician, when i see that. Im in the a typical politician. That is why i got elected. Lets get off the subject of cheuna lets talk around sitting around the table. Come on joe, you can do better. Welker were going to talk about north korea, President Trump you have met with kim jungun three times. You talked about your beautiful letters with him, you have touted the fact that there hasnt been a war on longrange missile test and north korea recently rolled out its biggest ever Intercontinental Ballistic Missile and continues to develop its nubbing clear arsenal. Do you see that as a betrayal of the relationship. Just 30 seconds. No, when i met with barack obama we sat in the white house. Right at the gunning. Had a great conversation, was supposed to be 15 moneys and it was well over an hour. He said the biggest problem we have is north korea. He indicated we will be in a war with north korea, guess what. It would be a nuclear war. And he does have plenty of nuclear cap paibility. In the mean time i have a very Good Relationship with him. Different kind of a guy but he probably thinks the same thing about me. We have a different kind of a relationship. We have a very Good Relationship. And there is no war. And you know, about two months ago he broke into a certain area, they said oh there is going to be trouble. I said no, there not, because hes not going to do that, and i was right. Instead of being in a war where millions of people, seoul you know is 25 miles away, millions and millions, 32 Million People in seoul, millions of people would be dead right now. We dont have a war and have i a Good Relationship. Welker vieses President Biden, north korea conducted four Nuclear Tests under the obama administration. Why do you think you would be able to reign in this persistent threat. Because i would make it clear as we make clear to china they have to be part of the deal. I made it clear and as a spokesperson, i went to china and said why are you moving your Missile Defense up so close. Why are you moving more forces here, why do you continue to do military maneuvers with south korea. I said because north korea is a problem. And were going to continue to do it so we can control them. Were going to make sure we can control them and make sure they cannot hurt us. And so if you want to do something about it, step up and help. If not its going to continue. What has he done . He has legitimized north korea, he talked about his good buddy who is a thug, a thug and he talks about how were better off and they have much more cap able capable missiles, able to reach u. S. Territory much more easily than they ever did before. Let mee follow up with you Vice President biden. You said you wouldnt meet with kim jungun without preconditions. Are there any conditions under which you would meet with him. On the condition that he would agree that he would be drawing down his nuclear capacity, to get the Korean Peninsula should be a nuclear free zone. Welker lets move on to American Families. They tried to meet with him. He wouldnt do it. He didnt like obama. He didnt like him. He wouldnt do it. They tried. Welker 10 seconds to respond to that. Its okay, north korea, we are not in a war, we have a Good Relationship. You know, having a Good Relationship with leaders of other countries is a good thing. Welker we have a lot of questions to get to. We had a Good Relationship with hitler before he in fact invaded europe. The rest of europe. Come on. The reason he would not meet with president obama is because president obama said were going to talk about denuclearization. Were not going to legitimize you, we will continue to put strong stronger and stronger sanctions on you, that is why he didnt meet with you. And it didnt happen. Welker lets move on. He left me a mess, kristen they left me a mess. North korea was a mess. Welker we need to move on. Do you remember the first two or three months, there was a very dangerous period in my first three months before we sort of worked things out a little bit. They left us a mess. And obama would be, i think, the first to say it was a single biggest problem. He thought that our country. Welker lets move on to American Families and the economy. One of the issues that is most important to them is health care. As you both know. Today there was a key vote and a new preem Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett and health care is at the center ofijy 20 million h the Affordable Care act. Its headed to the Supreme Court. And your administration, mr. President , is advocating for the court to overturn it. If the Supreme Court does overturn that law, those 20 million americans could lose their Health Insurance almost overnight. So what would you do if those people have their Health Insurance taken away . You have two minutes uninterrupted. First of all, ive already done something that nobody thought was possible. Through the legislature, i terminated the individual mandate. That is the worst part of obamacare, as we call it. The individual mandate, where you have to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for bad Health Insurance. I terminated it. Its gone. Now its in court. Because obamacare is no good. But then i made a decision run it as well as you can to my people, great people run it as well as you can i could have gone other route and made everybody very unhappy. They ran it. Premiums are down. Everything is down. Heres the problem. No matter how well you run it, its no good. What wed like to do is terminate it. We have the individual mandate, done. I dont know that its going to work. If we dont win, well have to run it, and well have obamacare, but it will be better run. But it no longer is obamacare because without the individual mandate, its much different. Preexisting conditions will always stay. What i would like to do is a much Better Health care, much better, will always protect people with preexisting. Id like to terminate obamacare, come up with a brand new, Beautiful Health care. The democrats will do it because there will be tremendous pressure on them. And we might even have the house at that time, and i think we are going to win the house, okay. Youll see. But i think were going to win the house. But come up with a Better Health care, always protecting people with preexisting conditions. And one thing very important we have 180 Million People out there that have great private health care. Far more than were talking about with obamacare. Joe biden is going to terminate all of those policies. These are people that love their health care. People that have been successful middleincome people been successful. They have 180 million plans, 180 Million People, families. Under what he wants to do which will basically be socialized medicine. He wont even have a choice they want to terminate 180 million plans. We have done an incredible job on health care, and were going to do even better welker okay. Vice President Biden. Yes, this is for you. Your Health Care Plan calls for building on obamacare. My question is, what is your plan if the law is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court . You have two minutes uninterrupted. What im going to do is pass obamacare with a public option, become bidencare. The public option is an option that says if you in fact do not have the wherewithall if you qualify for medicate and you do not have the wherewithall in your state to get medicaid you are automatically enrolled providing competition for insurance companies. Thats whats going to happen. Secondly, were going to make sure we reduce the premiums and drug prices by making sure there is competition, that doesnt exist now, by allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices with the insurance companies. Thirdly, the idea that i want to eliminate private insurance the reason why i had such a fight for with 20 candidates for the nomination was i support private insurance. Thats why i not one Single Person with private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under obamacare. They did not lose their insurance, unless they chose they wanted to go to something else. Lastly, were going to make sure were in a situation that we actually protect preexisting theres no way he can protect preexisting conditions, none, zero. You cant do it in the ether. Hes been talking about this for a long time. There is no hes never come up with a plan. I guess were going to get the preexisting condition plan the same time we get the infrastructure plan we have been waiting for since 17, 18, 19, 20. I still have a few more minutes. I know youre getting anxious. The fact is hes already cost the American People because of his terrible handling of the coronavirus and the economic spillover. 10 Million People have lost their private insurance. And he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under obamacare, and over 110 Million People with preexisting conditions. And all the people from covid are going to have preexisting conditions. What are they going to do . Welker i have a followup for you Vice President bieden, itlet ares to something President Trump said. Hes accusing you of wanting sized medicine. What do you say to people your plan with a public option of course, that its a Health Care Plan run by the government. I say its ridiculous. The idea the fact that theres a public option that people can choose. That makes it a socialist plan . Look, the difference between the president i think health care is not a privilege. Its a right. Everyone should have the right to have Affordable Health care. And i am very proud of my plan. Its gotten endorsed by all the major labor unions, as well as a whole range of other people who in fact are concerned in the medical field. This is something thats going to save peoples lives, and this is going to give people an opportunity, an opportunity to have health care for their children. How many of you home are worried and rolling around in bed tonight wondering what in gods name youre going to do if you get sick because you lost your Home Insurance your Health Insurance, your company has gone under. We have to provide Health Insurance for people at an affordable rate, and thats what id do. Welker President Trump, yur response. He was there for 47 years, he didnt do it. He was there for Vice President for eight years. Its not like it was 25 years ago. It was three and threequarters it was just a little while agoing, right, less than four years ago. He didnt do anything. He didnt do it. He wants socialized medicine. Its not that he wants it his Vice President , she is more liberal than Bernie Sanders and wants it even more. M Bernie Sanders wants it. The democrats want it. Youre going to have socialized medicine, just like with fracking. Were not going to have fracking. Were going to stop fracking am. Then he goes to pennsylvania after he got the nomination where he got very lucky to get it and he goes to pennsylvania and he says, were going to have fracking. And you never asked that question. By the way, so far, i respect very much the way youre handling this. I have to say. By the way somebody should ask the question. He goes for a year. Welker we do have a number we have a number of topics were going to get to. Were going to get to the same thing with socialized medicine. I have to respond. Welker Vice President your response, please. My response is people deserve to have Affordable Health care period, period, period. And the bidencare proposal will in fact provide for that Affordable Health care, lower premiums. What were going to do, its going to cost some money. It will cost over 750 billion over 10 years to do it. Youre going to have lower premiums, buy into the better plans, cheaper plans, lower your premiums, deal with unexpected bilge and have your drug prices drop significantly. He keeps talking about it. He hasnt done a thing for anybody on health care. Not a thing. Kristen when he says welker i want to talk about hes talking about socialized medicine. And health care. When he talks about a public option, hes talking about destroying your medicare, totally destroying and destroying your Social Security, and this whole country will come down. Bernie sanders tried it in his state. He tried it in his state. His governor was a very liberal governor, he wanted to make it work welker lets let Vice President biden respond. Hes a very confused guy. He thinks hes running against somebody else. Hes running against joe biden. I beat all those other people because i disagreed with them. Joe biden hes running against. And the idea were in a situation that will destroy mdicare, this is the guy that the acuary medicare said if in fact Social Security if in fact he continues to withhold his plan his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security, scial security will be bankrupt by 2023 with no way to make up for it. This is the guy who has tried to cut medicare. So i dont i mean, the idea that donald trump is lecturing me on Social Security and medicare. Come on. He tried to get rid of welker 10 seconds mr. President. Years ago, years ago go back and look at the records. He tried to hurt Social Security years ago. Welker all right, lets move on, im going to move on. Mr. President i have to move on to the next question or else were not going to have time to talk about it. If hes elected, the stock market will crash. Welker the next question, very quickly. Look, the idea that the stock market is booming, its his only measure of whats happening. Where i come from in scranton, people dont live off of the stock market. Just in the last three three years, during this crisis, the billionaires in this country made, according to the wall street, 700 billion more, 700 billion more because thats his only measure. What happens to the ordinary people out there . What happens to them . Welker lets talk about 401 k s, kristen. 401 k s are through the roof. Welker were going to move on. He doesnt come from scranton. He lived there for a short period of time before he even knew it and he left displel let me move on my my next question. As of tonight, more than 12 Million People are out of work, and as of tonight eight million more americans have fallen into poverty and more families are going hungry every day. Those hit hardest are women and people of color. They see washington fighting over a relief bill. Mr. President , why havent you been able to get them the help they need . 30 seconds. Nancy pelosi doesnt want it. Welker youre the president. Thats one of the reasons i think were going to take over the house because of her. Nancy pelosi doesnt want to approve anything because she would love to have victories on a date called november 3. Nancy pelosi does not want to approve it. We are ready, willing, and able to do it. We have approved three plans, including the democrats, in all fairness. This one she doesnt want because she thinks it helps her politically. I think it hurts her politically. The republican leader in the United States senate said he cant pass it. He will not be able to pass it. He does not have republican votes. Why isnt he talking to his republican friends. Welker let me follow up with you, Vice President. Let me ask Vice President biden a question. You are the leader of the democratic party, why have you not pushed the democrats to get a deal for the American People . I have. I have pushed it. They passed this act all the way back in the beginning of the summer. This is not new. Its been out there. This heros act has been sitting there. And look at whats happening. When i was in charge of the recovery act, with 800 billion, i was able to get 145 billion to local communities that have to their budgets, the states that have to balance their budgets, and they had to fire firefighters, teachers, First Responders, Law Enforcement officers so they could keep their cities and counties running. He will not support that. They have not done a thing for them. And Mitch Mcconnell said let them go bankrupt. Let them go bankrupt. Come on. Whats the matter with these guys. The bill passed in the house was a bailout of badly run, highcrime democrat, all run by democrats, cities and states. It was a way of getting a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars to these it was also a way of getting a lot of money from our peoples pockets to people that come into our country illegally. We were going to take care of everything for them. And what that does and id love to do that. Id love to help them. What that does, everybody all over the world will start pouring into our country. We cant do it. This was a way of taking care of them. This was a way of spending on things that had nothing to do with covid, as per your question. But it was really a big bailout for badly run democrat cities and states. Figet elected im runningas a proud democrat, but im going to be an american president. I dont see red states and blue states. What i see is american, United States. Ad, folk, every single state out there finds themselveses in trouble, theyre going to start laying off, whether theyre red or blue, cops, firefighters, First Responders, teachers, because they have to balance their been. The founders allowed the federal government to deficit spend for the United States of america. Welker i want to talk about the minimum wage. Mr. Vice president , we are talking about struggling Small Business and Business Owners these days. Do you think this is the right time to ask them to raise the minimum wage. You support ray 15 minimum wage . I do. One of the things we will have to do is bail them out, too. We should be bailing them out now, those Small Businesses. You have one in six of them going under. Theyre not going to be able to make it. They passed a package, called p. P. E. , money that is supposed to help them do everything from organize how they can deal with their businesses being open safely, schools, how they can make classrooms smaller, how they can hire more teachers, how they can put ventilation systems in. They need the help, the businesses as well as the schools, need the help. But this these guys will not help them. Not giving them any of the money. Welker were going to to Small Businesses by raising the minimum wage . Thats not helping. I think it should be a state option. Alabama is different from new york, new york is different from vermont. Every state is different. Its very important. We have to help our Small Businesses. Welker you said how are you helping your Small Businesses when youre forcing wages . Whats going to happen and whats been proven to happen is when you do that, these Small Businesses fire many of their employees. Welker you said very recently you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour. You said recently you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour. Is that still the case. In a Second Administration . You know, in a Second Administration, but not to a level thats going to put all these businesses out of business. It should be a state option. Look, different places, i know different places. Theyre all different. Some places 15 is not so bad. In other places, other states, 15 would be ruinous. Welker President Trump. Quick response, Vice President biden. Two jobs, one job, below poverty. People are making six, seven, eight bucks an hour. The First Responders we all clap for as they come down the street because they allow us to make it. They deserve a minimum wage 15. Anything below that puts you below the poverty level. And there is no evidence when you raise the minimum wage businesses go out of business. That is simply not true. Welker were going to talk about immigration. Were going to talk about immigration now, gentlemen, and were going to talk about families within this context. Mr. President , your administration separated children from their parents at the border, at least 4,000 kids. Youve since reversed your zero tolerance policy but the United States cant locate the parents of more than 500 children. How will these families ever be reunited. Children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people cartels and theyre brought here, and they used to use them to get into our country. We now have as strong a border as weve ever had. Were over 400 miles of brand new wall. You see the numbers. And we let people in, but they have to come in legally, and they come in through welker but how will you reunite these children with their family. They used to say i built the cages and they had the pictures in a certain newspaper, and it was a picture of these horrible cages and they said look at these cages. President trump built them. And then it was determined they were built in 2014. That was him. Welker do you have a plan to reunite the kids . Were working on it very were trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without their parents. They come out through cartels and coyotes and gangs. Welker a Quick Response and then another question. These 500plus kids came with parents. They separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with. Real tough. Were really strong. And guess what . They cannot its not coyotes didnt bring them over. Their parents were with them. They got separated from their parents, and makes us a laughing stock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation. Odonnellnation. Welker let me ask you a followup question. They did it. We changed the policy. Who built the cages, joe. Lets talk about who built the cages, joe. Lets talk about what we were talking about. What happened. Parents the kids were ripped from their arms and were separated and now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents, and those kids are alone, nowhere to go, nowhere to go. Its criminal. Its criminal. Welker let me kristen, i will say that, they went down, we brought reporters, everything. They are so well taken care of. Theyre in facilities that were so clean. Welker but some of them havent been reunited with their families. One question. Who built the cages . Id love you to ask that. Welker let me ask you about your administration policy, mr. Vice president. Obama administration presided over record deportations as well as family detentions before changing force. Why should the voters trust you with overhaul now . It took too long to get it right. Ill be president of the United States, not Vice President of the United States. And the fact is ive made it very clear, within 100 days, im going to send to the United States congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people. And all of those socalled dramers, those daca kids, theyre going to be immediately certified again to be able to stay in this country and put on a path to citizenship. The idea that they are being sent home by this guy, and they want to do that, is they go to a country theyve never seen before. I can imagine, youre five years old, your parents take you across the rio grande river, and its illegal. And you say oh, no, mom, leave me here. Im not going to go with you. Theyve been here. Many of them are model citizens. Over 20,000 of them are First Responders out there taking care of people during this crisis. We owe them. We owe them. Welker mr. President. He had eight years to do what he said he was going to do. And ive changed without having a specific we got rid of catch and release. We got rid of a lot of horrible things that they put in. He had eight years he was Vice President. He did nothing except build cages to keep children in. Welker Vice President biden, your response. Wrong. The catch and release, you know what hes talking about there . If in fact you had a family, came across, and they were arrested, they in fact were given a date to show up for their family. They were released. And guess what . They showed up for a hearing. And this is the first president in the history of the United States of america anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country. Thats never happened before in america. Thats never happened before in america. You come to the United States and you make your case that i seek asylum based on the following premise, why i deserve it, under american law. Theyre sitting in squalor on the other side of the river. Welker President Trump, your response. 30 seconds and then well move on. It just shows he has no understanding of immigration of the laws. Catch and release is a disaster. A murderer would come in. A rapist would come in. A very bad person would come in. We would take their name. We would have to release them into our country, and then you say they come back. Less than 1 of the people come back. We have to send ice out. Not true. And Border Patrol out to find them. We would say come back in two years, three years. Were going to give you a court case. You need perry mason. Were going to give you a court case. When they say they come back, they never come back, joe. They never come back. Only the really i hate to say this but those with the lowest i. Q. , they might come back. Welker lets give Vice President biden a chance to respond, and then well move on. Vice President Biden, your response. Its simply not true. They dont come back. But we dont have to worry about it, because i terminated it. And you have 525 kids not knowing where in gods name theyre going to be and lost their parents. Welker lets talk about our next section, which is race in america. And i want to talk about the way black and brown americans experience race in this country. Part of that experience is something called the talk. It happens regardless of class and income. Parents who feel they have no choice but torepare their children for the chance that they could be targeted, including by the police, for no reason other than the color of their skin. Mr. Vice president , in the next two minutes, i want you to speak directly to these families. Do you understand why these parents fear for their children . You know, i do. I do. You know, my daughter is a social worker. And shes shes written a lot about this. She has her graduate degree from the university of pennsylvania in social work. And, you know, one of the reasons why i ended up working on the east side of wilmington, delaware, which is 90 African American was to learn more about what was going on. I never had to tell my daughter if shes pulled over, make sure she puts for a traffic stop, put both hands on top of the wheel and dont reach for the glove box because someone may shoot you. But a black parent, no matter how wealthy or how poor they are, has to teach their child, when youre walking down the street, dont have a hoodie on when you go across the street, making sure that you, in fact, if you get pulled over, yes, sir, no, sir, hand on top of the wheel because you are, in fact, a victim whether youre a person making 300,000ayear person or someone who is on food stamps. The fact of the matter is there is institutional racism in america. And we have always said weve never lived up to it we hold these truth to be selfevident. All men and women are created equal. We never lived up to it. We have constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion, not exclusion. This is the first president to come along and say thats the end of that. Were not going to do that anymore. We haveto provide for economic opportunity, better education, Better Health care, better access to schooling, better access to opportunity to barrow money to start businesses. All the things we can do and ive laid out a clear plan as to how to do those things, just to give people a shot. Its about accumulating the ability to have wealth as well as it is to be free from violence. Welker President Trump, same question to you, and let me remind you of the question. I would like you to speak directly to these families. Do you understand why these parents fear for their children . Yes, i do. And, again, hes been in government 47 years, he never did a thing, except in 1994, when he did such harm to the black community, and they were called, and he called them, super predators, and he said that. He said it. Super predators. And they can never live that down. 1994 your crime bill, the super predators. Nobody has done more for the black community than donald trump. And if you look, with the exception of Abraham Lincoln possible exception, but the exception of Abraham Lincoln nobody has done what ive done. Criminal Justice Reform. Obama and joe didnt do it. I dont even think they tried because they had no chance at doing it. They might have wanted to do it, but if you had to see the arms i had to twist to get that done, it was not a pretty picture. And Everybody Knows it, including some very liberal people, that cried in my office. They cried in the oval office. Two weeks later theyre out saying, gee, we have to defeat him. Criminal Justice Reform, Prison Reform, opportunity zones with tim scott, a great senator from south carolina, he came in with this incredible idea for opportunity zones. Its one of the most successful programs. People dont talk about it. Tremendous investment is being made biggest beneficiary the black and hispanic communities. And then historically black colleges and universities, after three years of coming to the office, i love some of those guys, they were great. They came into the office, and they said i said what are you doing after three years i said why do you keep coming back . Because we have no funding. I said you dont have to come back every year. We have to come back. Because president obama would never give them longterm funding and i did, 10year, longterm funding and i gave thm more money than they asked for. I said i think you need more. I said the only bad part about this is i may never see you again. I got very friendly with them. And they like me, and i like them. I welker were going to talk about both of your records, but your response to that, Vice President. My response to that is i never, ever said what he accused me of saying. The fact of the matter is, in 2000, after the crime bill had been the law for a while, this is the guy who said the problem with the crime bill is there are not enough people in jail. Theres not enough people in jail. And go on my web site, get the quote, the date, when he said it, not enough people. He talked about marauding gangs, young gangs, and the people who were going to maraud our cities. This is a guy who in the central park five, five innocent black kids, he continued to push for making sure they got the death penalty. None of them were guilty of the crimes they were suggested. Look, and talk about granted, he did, in fact, let 20 people he commuted 20 peoples sentences. We commute over 1,000 peoples sentences, over 1,000. The very law hes talking about is the law that, in fact, initiated by barack obama, and secondly, were in a situation here where the federal prison system was reduced by 38,000 people under our administration. And one of the things we should be doing, there should be no, no minimum mandatories in the law. Thats why im offering 20 billion to states to change their state laws to eliminate minimum mandatories and set up drug courts. No one should be going to jail because they have a drug problem. They should go going to rehabilitation, not to jail. We should fundamentally change the system, and thats what im going to do. Why didnt he do that four years ago . Why didnt you do that four years ago, even less than that. You were Vice President. You keep talking about all these things youre going to do, and youre going to do this. But you were there just a short time ago, and you guys did nothing. You know, joe, i ran because of you. I ran because of barack obama. Because you did a poor job. If i thought you did a good job, i would have never run. I would have never run. I ran because of you. Im looking at you now, youre a politician, i ran because of you. Welker all right, Vice President biden, your response to that, and i do have some questions for both of you. I tell you what, i hope he does look at me, because whats happening here. You know who i am. You know who he is. You know his character. You know my character. You know our reputations for honor and telling the truth. I am anxious to have this race. I am anxious to see this take place. I am the character of the country is on will ballot. Our character is on the ballot. Look at us closely. Welker please, respond, and then were going to have followup. Russia, ukraine, china, other countries, iraq, if this is true, hes a corrupt politician. Dont give me the stuff about how youre this innocent baby. Joe, theyre calling you a corrupt politician. Nobody is calling me welker i want to stay on the issue of race. Were talking about President Trump President Trump were talking about race right now, and i do want to stay on the issue of race. I have to respond to that. Welker please, quickly. There are 50 former National Intelligence folks who said that what he is accusing me of is a russian plant. They have said this has all the five former heads of the c. I. A. , both parties, say what hes saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes it except him and his good friend, rudy giuliani. You mean the laptop is now another russia, russia, russia, hoax. Thats exactly what thats exactly what this is where hes going. Thelap top is russia, russia, russia. You have to be kidding. Here we go again with russia. Welker were going to continue on the issue of race. You described the black lives movement as a symbol of hate. You said black professional athletes exercising their First Amendment rights should be fired. What do you say to americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife. The first time i ever heard of black lives matter, they were chanting, pigs in a blanket talking about police pig, pigs, pigs in a blanket. Fry them like bacon. I said that was a horrible thing. And they were marching down the street. And that was my first glimpse of black lives matter. I thought it was a terrible thing. As far as my relationships with all people i think i have great relationships with all people i am the least racist person in this room. Welker what do you say to americans who are concerned by that rhetoric . I dont know what to say. I got criminal Justice Reform done and Prison Reform and opportunity zones. I took care of black colleges and universities. I dont know what to say. They can say anything. I mean, they can say anything. Its a very it makes me sad. Because i am i am the least racist person. I cant even see the audience, because its so dark, but i dont care whos in the audience. Im the least racist person in this room. Welker okay, Vice President biden, let me ask you very quickly, and then i have a followup question for you. Abraham lincoln here is one of the most racist president s we have in modern history. He pours fuel on every single racist fire. He started off the campaign coming down the escalator saying he was going to get rid of those mexican rapists. He banned muslims because they are muslims. He made everything worse across the board. He said about the poor boys, the last time we were on stage, he said i tell them to stand down and stand ready. Come on. This guy is a dog whistle about as big as a foghorn. Welker President Trump, im going to give you a chance to respond. You mad a reference to Abraham Lincoln. You said Abraham Lincoln. I said not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what i have done for the black community. I said not since Abraham Lincoln has anybody done what i have done for the black community. You have don nothing, other than the crime bill, which put oh, god. Tens of thousands of black men, mostly, in jail. Welker all right, let me they remember it, because if you look at whats happening with the voting right now, they remember that you treated them very, very badly just take a look at whats happening out there. Welker Vice President biden let me give you a chance to respond in this context, crime bills you supported black men with small amounts of drugs in their position, farthers, sons, brothers, and uncles, some still suffering the consequences. Speak to those families. Why should they vote for you. We passed 100 , 100 senators voted on it, a bill on drugs. It was a mistake. Ihave been trying to change it since, especially the portion on cocaine. Thats why i have been arguing in fact we should not send anyone to jail for a pure drug offense. They should be going into treatment across the board. Thats what we should be spending money on. Thats why i set up drug courts, which were never funded by our republican friends. They should not be going to jail for a drug or an alcohol problem. They should be going into treatment, treatment. Thats what weve been trying to do. Thats what im going to get done because i think the American People have now seen that in fact it was a mistake to pass those laws relating to drugs. But they were not in the crime bill. But why didnt he get it done . See, its all talk, no action with these politicians. Why didnt he get it done. Thats what im going to do when i become president. You were Vice President , along with obama, as your president , your leader, for eight years. Why didnt you get it done . You had eight years to get it done. Now youre saying youre going to get it done. Youre all talk and no action. We got a lot of it done. We got 38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison. We have there were over 1,000 people who were given clemency. In fact, were the ones that put in the legislation saying we could look at pattern and practice of police departments, ad what they were doing, how they were conducting themselves. I could go on, but we began the process we began the process. We lost an election. Thats why im running to win back that election, and change his terrible policy. I just ask one question why didnt you do if in the eight years, a short time ago, why didnt you do it . You just said im going to do that. Im going to do this. You put tens of thousands of mostly black young men in prison. Now youre saying youre going to get youre going to undo that. Why didnt you get it done . You had eight years with obama. You know why, joe . Because youre all talk and no action. Welker Vice President biden, then were going to move on to the next section. We had a republican congress. Thats the answer. Youve got to talk them into it, joe. Sometimes you have to talk them into it. Like i did with criminal Justice Reform. I had to talk democrats into it. You didnt. We had it done. Welker we have to get on to Climate Change, please. You both have very different visions on Climate Change. President trump you say environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector. Vice President Biden you have said you see addressing Climate Change as an opportunity to create new jobs. For each of you, how would you both combat Climate Change and support job growth tame, starting with you, President Trump. You have two minutes, uninterrupted. We have the trillion trees program. We have so many different programs. I do love the environment. But what i want is the cleanest, crystalclear water, the cleanest air. We have the best, lowest number in carbon emissions, which is a big standard that i notice obama goes with all the time. Not, joe, i havent heard joe use the term because im not sure he knows what it represents or means, but i have heard obama use it. We have the best carbon emission numbers that weve had in 35 years under this administration. We are working so well with industry. But heres what we cant do. Look at china how filthy it is. Look at russia, look at india. Its filthy. The air is filthy. The paris accord, i took us out because we were going to have to spend patrol trillions of dollad they put us in there they did a great disservice. They were going to take away our businesses. I will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs, thousands and thousands of companies, because of the paris accord. It was so unfair. China doesnt kick in until 2030. Russia goes back to a low standard. And we kicked in right away. It would have been it would have been it would have destroyed our businesses. So, you ready . We have done an incredible job environmentally. We have the cleanest air, the cleanest water, and the best carbon emission standards that weve seen in many, many years. Welker Vice President biden. We havent destroyed our industries. Welker Vice President biden, two minutes to you, uninterrupted. Climate change, climate warming, Global Warming is an existential threat to humanity. We have a moral obligation to deal with it. And were told by all the leading scientists in the world we dont have much time. Were going to pass the point of no return within the next eight to 10 years. Four more years of this man eliminating all the regulations that were put in by us to clean up the climate, to clean up, to limit the emissions will put us in a position where were going to be in real trouble. Heres where we have a great opportunity. I was able to get both, all the environmental organizations, as well as labor, the people worried about jobs, to support my climate plan. Because what it does, it will create millions of new, goodpaying jobs. Were going to invest in, for example, excuse me, 50,000 charging stations on our highways so that we can own the electric car market of the future. In the meantime, china is doing that. Were going to be in a position where were going to see to it that were going to take four million existing buildings and two million existing homes and retrofit them so they dont leak as much energy, saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating significant number of jobs. And, by the way, the whole idea of what this is all going to do, its going to create millions of jobs, and its going to clean the environment. Our health and our jobs are at stake. Thats whats happening. And right now, by the way, wall street firm has indicated that my plan, my plan will in fact create 18. 6 million jobs, seven million more than his. This is from wall street. And ill create 1 trillion more in Economic Growth than his proposal does. Not on climate, just on the economy. Welker President Trump. They came out and said very strongly 6,500 will be taken away from families under his plan, that his plan is an economic disaster. If you look at what he wants to do nothing to do with climate. You know who developed that. A. O. C. Plus three. They know nothing about the climb. I mean, shes got a good line of stuff, but she knows nothing about the climate, and theyre all hopping through hoops for a. O. C. Plus three. The real plan costs 100 trillion. If we had the best year in the history of our country for 100 years, we would not even come close to a number like that. When he says buildings, they want to take buildings down because they want to make bigger windows into smaller windows. As far as theyre concerned, if you had no window, that would be a lovely thing. This was the craziest plan you have ever seen. This wasnt done by smart people frankly, i dont know how it could be good politically. They want to spend 100 trillion. Thats their real number. Hes trying to say its six. They want to knock down buildings and build New Buildings with little, tiny, small windows and many other things, many other things. Welker let me have the Vice President respond and were running out of time. So lets hear from the Vice President. I have a number of more questions. I dont know where he comes from. I dont know where he comes up with these numbers. 100 trillion. Give me a break. This plan was this plan is endorsed by every major every major Environmental Group and every labor group, labor, because they know the future lies, the future lies in us being able to breathe, and they know there are good jobs inet going us there. And, by the way, the Fastest Growing industry in america is is the electric the excuse me solar energy and wind. He thinks wind causes cancer, windmills. Its the Fastest Growing jobs. And they pay good, prevailing wages. 45, 50 bucks an hour. We can grow, and we can be cleaner if we go the route im proposing. Welker President Trump, please respond. We are Energy Independent for the first time. We dont need all of these countries that we had to fight war over because we needed their energy. We are Energy Independent. I know more about wind than you do. Its extremely expensive. Kills all the birds. Its very intermittent. Its got a lot of problems. And they happen to make the windmill windmills and in both y and china, and the fumes coming up if youre a believer in carbon emissions, the fumes coming up to make these massive windmills is more than anything were talking about with natural gas which is very clean. One other thing. Find me a scientist who says that. I love solar, but solar doesnt quite have it yet. Its not powerful yet to really run our big, beautiful factories that we need to compete with the world. False. Its all a pipe dream. But you know what well do . Were going to have the greatest economy in the world, but if you want to kill the economy, get rid of your oil industry. If you want and what about fracking . Now we have to ask welker let me allow Vice President biden to respond. I have never said i oppose fracking. You said it on tape. Show the tape. Put it on your web site. Ill put it on. Put it on the web site. The fact of the matter is hes lying. Welker would you rule out banning fracking. I do rule out banning fracking. Because the answer, we need we need other industries to transition to get to ultimately a complete zero emissions by 2025. What i doll with fracking over time is make sure we can capture the emissions from the fracking, capture the emissions from gas. We can do that, and we can do that by investing money and doing that. Its a transition to that. Welker i have one more question excuse me, he was against fracking. He said it. I will show that to you tomorrow i am against fracking. Until we got the nomination and went to pennsylvania, but you know what, pennsylvania . Hell be against it very soon. Fracing on federal land, i said. No frac and oil on federal land. Welker let me ask this final question in this section and then i want to move on to our final section. President trump, people of color are much more likely to live near Oil Refineries and Chemical Plant. In texas families are worried the plant near them are making them sick. Your administration has rolled back regulations on these kinds of facilities. Why should these families give you another four years in office . The families were talking about are employed heavily, and making more money than theyve ever made. If you look at the kind of numbers weve produced for hispanic, for blark for asian, its nine times greater, the percentage gain, in three years, than it was under eight years of the two of them, to put it nicely. Nine times more. Now, somebody lives i have not heard the numbers or the statistics that youre saying but theyre making a tremendous amount of money economically. We saved it. And i saved it again a number of months ago when oil was crashing because of the pandemic. We saved it. Say what you want about relationships, we got saudi arabbia, mexico, and russia to cut back, way back we saved our oil industry and now its very vibrant again. Everybody has very inexpensive gasoline. Remember that. Welker Vice President biden, your response, and then were going to have a final question for both of you. My response is those people live on whats called fence lines. He doesnt understand this. They live near Chemical Plant that pollute, Chemical Plant and oil plant and refineries that pollte. I used to live near that when i grew up in claymont, delaware, and there is more in the Delaware River than any place, including houston. When my mom got to the car the first wash, driving me to school, there would be an oil slick on the window. Thats why so many people in my state were dying and getting cancer. The frontline communities, it doesnt matter what youre paying them. It matters how you keep them safe. What do you do . You impose restrictions on the pollutants coming out of those fence line communities. Welker okay, i have one final question would he close down the oil industry. Would you close down the oil industry. I would transition from the oil industry, yes oh, thats a big statement. That is a big statement. Welker why would you do that . Because the oil industry pollutes significantly. Oh, i see. Thats a big statement. If you let me finish the statement. Because it has to be replaced by Renewable Energy over time. Over time. And id stop giving to the oil industry, id stop giving them federal subsidies. He wont give federal subsidies to the gas excuse me to solar and wind. Yeah. Why are we giving it to the oil industry . We actually do give it to solar and wind and thats maybe the biggest statement in terms of business welker we have one final question, mr. President. Will you remember that, texas . Will you remember that pennsylvania, oklahoma. Welker Vice President biden, let me give you 10 seconds to respond and then we have to get to the final question. He takes everything out of context. The point is, look, we have to move toward a net zero emissions. The first place to do that by the year 2035 is in energy production. By 2050, totally. Welker all right is he going to get china to do this. Welker were finished with this. Im going to rejoin the paris accord and make china abide by what they agreed to. Welker this first question does go to you, President Trump. Imagine this is your inauguration day. What will you say in your address to americans who did not vote for you . Youll each have one minute, starting with you, mr. President. We have to make our country totally successful, as it was prior to the plague coming in from china. Now were rebuilding it, and were doing record numbers. 11. 4 million jobs in a short period of time, et cetera. I will tell you, go back. Before the plague came in, just before, i was getting calls from people that were not normally people that would call me. They wanted to get together. We had the best black unemployment numbers in the history of our country. Hispanic. Women. Asian. People with diplomas with no diplomas, m. I. T. Graduates, number one in the class everybody had the best numbers. And you know what . The other side wanted to get together. They wanted to unify. Success is going to bring us together. We are on the road to success. But im cutting taxes. And he wants to raise everybodys taxes. And he wants to put new regulations on everything. He will kill it. If he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which youve never seen. Your 401 k s will go to hell, and it will be a very, very sad day for this country. Welker Vice President biden, same question to you, what will you say during your inaugural address to americans who did not vote for you . I will say im an american president. I represent all of you, whether you voted for me or against me, and im going to make sure that you are represented. Im going to give you hope. Were going to move. Were going to choose science over fiction. Were going to choose hope or fear. Were going to choose to move forward because we have enormous opportunities, enormous opportunities to make things better. We can grow this economy. We can deal with the systemic racism. And at the same time, we can make sure that our economy is being run and moved and motivated by clean energy. Creating millions of new jobs. And thats the fact. Thats what were going to do. And im going to say, as ive said at the beginning, what is on the ballot here is the character of this country. Decency, honor, respect, treating people with dignity, making sure that everyone has an even chance. And im going to make sure you get that. You havent been getting it the last four years. Welker all right, i want to thank you both for a very robust hour and a half, a fantastic debate, really appreciate it. President trump, former Vice President joe biden, thank you to Belmont University for hosting us tonight. And most importantly, thank you to those watching tonight. Election day is november 3. Dont forget to vote. Thank you, everyone. And have a great night. applause . Thank you. Odonnell and an extraordinary final debate between the two candidates, much more substantive and a clash of ideas than we saw in the previous debate between the two candidates. It was as if the muting of the microphones worked, or each of them noticed where their standing was in the polls and knew what they had to do tonight. Gayle, you called it. You said this would be a different President Trump tonight. Because i remember last time, the last 48 hours, people were counting, donald trump interrupted joe biden 73 times. So even his own supporters were saying that was not good. That was not good. And they were embarrassed for him. He came across many thought as obnoxious and a bully. And i think, you know, people say donald trump doesnt listen to his advisers. But we kept hearing the last 48 hours his advisers saying hes going to tone it down. He knows what he needs to do. And this is probably the last time that he has an opportunity to talk to an audience that is not his base. So he knows that people are watching. Joe biden had to go and do no harm, do no foul, dont rock the boat. I think both of them can walk out tonight and say i did very well. Odonnell the first question posed to both the candidates is, what would you do in the future to change how the trajectory of the covid pandemic is going . President trump did not answer that question. Instead he said essentially its not his fault and were rounding the corner. This was an actual debate, as opposed to some of the other things we have had. There was a real exchange, this question was one of them. President trump chose to defend his record, which is probably wise for him. This is a referendum on the president. Its not about 90 minutes of how he behaved tonight. Its about four years in office. And thats what hes got to defend. But he didnt do, on that question, or even this last question, which was ted teed up nicely for the president and joe biden. And the president didnt take advantage of those questions. The dynamic of the race, the president is behind, and this was of the last major opportunity with everybody watching, and he needed more than just adequate. We needed to do something to change the dynamic of the race, and i dont think there was anything in tonight that changed the dynamic of the race. Although there were really interesting exchanges, both on covid, the question of what to do, Small Business, minimum wage, north korea, health care, the obamacare versus the president siet to be announced, longdelayed plan on health care. There was quite a lot of substance. John, do you think either one of them changed the dynamic of the race . For both biden supporters and Trump Supporters i would think my cannot did well. I know there were times did not answer the question. The last one was so off the rails, the fact that it was civil i think it was a win, a win. What the political scientists will say, unless theres a major, major gaffe, for example, the way the president behaved in the first one, the polls dont change. If the polls dont change, joe biden is in better shape because if this race is a referendum on the president s handling of covid which a lot of people think it is the president gets very low marks on that, he did nothing tonight to to change that. To argue the future. This future is going well into next year and has issues that are Health Related but the economy doesnt get fixed until covid gets fixed. Hes still saying he did good on covid. The numbers are rising. The rebuttal to anything the president says on covid comes in the next report on the cases in america and the places now struggling are rural areas which have a harder time handling it in the hospitals. Were going into a very tough period. The president needed some kind of answer to throw into that future. He was talking about the past. Odonnell i think we know tracking the president s rhetoric, he had been promising the vaccine would come before the election day. That didnt bear that out. The companies didnt like the political pressure. They wanted to make sure they had all the safety protocols in place, and as we heard from the head of pfizer, it wont be until late november, early december, before they submit approval for a potential vaccine, and thats why all government officials said for all of us, the widespread public to get it, it will be april of next year at the earliest. I want to bring in nikole killion, standing by in the debate hall, in nashville. Nikole, your impressions of this debate. Reporter well i can tell you the Biden Campaign is very pleased with the former Vice President S Performance. They feel they put the president on the defensive, particularly in the instance where he brought up the president s attacks as one aide telling me he flipped the script on the president. The campaign also doesnt feel that the president S Performance tonight changes the trajectory of this race, even if it did take on a softer tone. A few other Key Takeaways the Vice President , former Vice President clearly trying to make the argument that the president failed the American Public on the pandemic. He also didnt take the bait when the president tried to challenge him, and then lastly, making that quintessential argument at the end that he would be an american president for all, trying to appeal to a broad swath of voters. Norah. Odonnell nikole killion, thank you. Cbs paula reid is at the white house. And we saw the president tonight, while he did not interrupt as much as he did in the previous debate, he was on the offense. He was and we will fact check him later in this broadcast, and he also made it personal about bidens family. Reporter he did. And that was part of the strategy tonight. Ive been texting with some of the president s advisers, and one just texted me back saying the man stuck to the plan. And part of that plan was not to interrupt, to allow his opponent to speak, potentially make a mistake. The other part of the Interest Rate gee was to bring up bidens son hunter, put those accusations into the main stream, get them in front of tens of millions of voters. It appears on those two points, he succeeded. Odonnell paula reid, thank you. John, you were going to comment on that. Its a very low bar when you say the goal tonight is to not do the disastrous thing you did last time. That is a barue have to do better than that when the race is not going well. You have to be on the offense without being offensive. Do you think the voters care about hunter biden . No, but this is joe biden didnt take the bait on that at all. Odonnell we have, actually, reince priebus, the former head of the Republican National committee and trumps first chief of staff is with us. Valerie jarrett, former Senior Adviser to barack obama. I want to get them to weigh in. Valerie, let me start with you. We knew the attacks on binds family were coming, you saw him respond by saying i released all 22 years of my tax returns. Where are your tax returns . Its all out there. Well thats right, norah. And i think tonight the winners were the American People, particularly the undecided. They had an opportunity to see both men, their competency, their track records, their temperament. And i think Vice President biden did a very good speaking to the American People and framing all of their answers in the context of what it would mean to your life. I dont think the American People are interested in his son or any of those ancillary issues. Theyre interested in whats happening around their Kitchen Table and thats where i think joe biden is at his strongest from health care to covid19 to the Race Relations in our country to our stature around the world. Odonnell reince priebus, you follow the polls, trump won the senior vote in 2016. He is now trailing biden, according to the wall street journal, by 27 points. What happened in the state of this race . Well, i dont know if thats true, norah. I mean, its certainly what the poll says. I dont think thats the case. If that were the case we would be losing florida by double digits right now and thats not true. I think President Trump probably wins florida. I think things are probably a little bit tighter in this race than i think some of the people out there are talking about. But, look, the president did a few things today which was in the plan. Number one, i think he was charming tonight. I think he was president ial. I think he, obviously, let biden talk, which dickerson just alluded to. But that was important, to let biden talk and give him some rope. But, number three, pivoted back to biden a lot. And i think ultimately the biggest score for the president was when he said, all talk, no action. Youve been in politics for 47 years. You were Vice President for eight years. You didnt do it. And here you are coming here and telling us about all your plans. There was a lot to talk about tonight. Obviously, we dont have the time to go through it all. Certainly, a better debate. I think the president did very well. And i also think the moderator did a much better job. Can we just touch reness, can i ask you a question . Do you think the president did anything to change the trajectory of this race tonight . Well, you know, the margins, gayle, are so small. Were talking about 2 to 3 of the public out there that you can influence. In state like wisconsin andmichige 4,000 or 5,000 people in an entire state it can be the difference between winning and losing. Were going to go to court potentially over ballot signaturesignatures and postages for the next two months potentially. I hope not. But that could happen. Were talking about influencing just a speck of people. And thats what its coming down to. Odonnell all right. Reince priebus and var, thane jarrett. Thank you, both. Were going to fact check the president when cbs News Coverage of the president ial debate continues. [sfx typing sound] [sfx typing sound] [sfx typing sound] [sfx typing sound] im looking for my client. Im so sorry. Accountant. [ sighs ] hey hey man youre here. You dont trust me here is vegas, do you . Well. I thought we had a breakthrough with the volkswagen. We did. Yes. We broke through. Thats the volkswagen thats the cross sport. Wow. Seatbelts. Please, just tell me where were going. But i cant say i expected this. Because it was easy. To fight these fires, we need funding plain and simple. For this crisis, and for the next one. Prop 15 closes tax loopholes so rich corporations pay their fair share of taxes. So firefighters like me, have what we need to do the job, and to do it right. The big corporations want to keep their tax loopholes. Its what they do. Well, i do what i do. If yould like to help, join me and vote yes on prop 15. Odonnell time for the fact check. Lets bring in cbs news chief washington correspondent major garrett. Major. Reporter we have three for you, norah. The President Trump said it will go away, referring to coronavirus, its going away. We rate that as false. Coronavirus is increasing in 34 states, hospitalizations rising in 37 states. Heres a key statistic that backs us up. The u. S. Is averaging 59,000 new cases per day, according to the New York Times database. The most since august. President trump said they spied on my campaign, the implication being president obama, Vice President biden, those in the obamawide biden white house. The Senate Committee on intelligence, and the Inspector General report said thats not true. A lot of chapters and verses to this. People will say what about carter page . Yes, there was surveillance of carter page, but he was not a significant player at any time in the trump campaign. The third one deals with former Vice President bidens assertion that they did not have a policy of separating family. We rate that as true. They were separated in rare instances to protect children or in those that their parents were identified to be criminals or threats to the children, but it was not a systemic policy as it was with the Trump Administration an outgrowth of their zero tolerance policy on the border. Norah, you saw some of those facilities the Trump Administration contracted with. 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You have to have the language to talk to the whole countries. Its one of the ways we should test candidates for. The way it was teed up and people should go back and see who has the capacity to speak to the part country that isnt in my base. President trump didnt answer that question, joe biden did. I was struck by the statement, im the least racist person in the room. First, i lost my hearing, and then i wondered who else was in the room. You know, when youre a little kid, your mom always tells you actions speak louder than words, and when you look at the president s actions, the last debate he it was a clear dog whistle, many people believe, to the proud boys to stand back and stand by. He keeps saying that i denounce these white supremacist groups. To dough nounce them says, i do not want your support. Odonnell but the question from Kristen Welker is what do you tell a family dealing with this . It invoked an empathetic answer, and instead he said black lives matter and talked about the chants allegedly said at the protests. I thought kristen pointed out really well, whether your income level here is here or your income level is here because your skin doesnt change when you walk out of the house. It would have been a great opportunity for him to address that. He did not. He spent a lot of time talking about ive done this for h. B. C. U. S. He and tim scott bring up the opportunity zones and empowerment zones which is a very good program. But when you dont figure out a way to unite this community which is feeling under siege, under siege and in a lot of pain, he never seems to really address that. Thats where the listening and hearing comes in. As the nations tob birther for five years, President Trump cant say he has to jump over that and Say Something else other than pure assertion. It was interesting tonight to hear the president speak, as he does in reallies, in shorthand i dont know if anybody knows what an a. O. C. Plus 3 is. Outside of washington. He spoke very much in the staccato terms in his rally. Joe biden was in pains so that President Trump made fun of him to talk about the oil slick on his windshield. You can see him narrowcasting at the voters in the midwestern states hes trying to reach with those personal appeals. Odonnell joe biden said tonight the character of the country is on the ballot. He is trying to make this a referendum, not only about President Trumps leadership during this pandemic, but also the character of this man and what happens in the next four years. We want to remind everybody, join us on tuesday, november 3, for cbs news live coverage of election night. And our coverage upo of this dee continues on cbsn. There will be more on your local news on this cbs station. Im norah odonnell. Our thanks to John Dickerson and gayle king. 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