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The death of george floyd. And this incident from buffalo, where Police Officers have been charged with a felony after knocking a 75yearold man to the ground and leaving him there. When and how will this end . In cities like minneapolis, they have moved to ban the use of kneehoneck holds but some americans are clamoring for more action. President trumps answer to the problem is law and order, from local Law Enforcement, the National Guard, or even the military. You have to dominate streets. You cant let whats happening happen. Brennan well talk to the president s attorney general, william barr. Plus the problems within our society. Despite a lowerthananticipated jobless rate for may, the number of unemployed African Americans increased to almost 17 . How do we level the Playing Field . Former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice will join us. Finally, a look at the potential impact of the notsosociallydistanced protests, with former f. D. A. Commissioner dr. Scott gottlieb. Its all just ahead on face the nation. Brennan good morning, and welcome to face the nation. Across the country, there is a collective sigh of relief following a day and night in which the vast majority of protests were peaceful. But americas widening rarnl divide, on top of the nations economic and medical crisis, is painful. Political commentator bakara sellers may have put it best when he told our cbs this morning colleagues, this is like 1918 meets 1968. You have a great pandemic, and you have a country that is teetering on edge with that, we begin with kris van cleave. He has been covering the protests in the streets of the Nations Capital since they began. Reporter margaret, good morning. A week ago, this fencing wasnt here. It is separating where the protests have been from the white house and has become a bit of a mural. Now, early this morning, we want to show you some video, d. C. s mayor murrial bowser and congressman and civil rights leader john lewis came out here as the city was cleaning up yesterday. The congressman called the protests moving and impressive. Washington, d. C. Besieged by peaceful protest. Huge crowds marched from the capitol and the lincoln memorial, flooding the streets outside the white house, unified in the message painted on the road below their feet, black lives matter. We just want justice. We just want to stop being killed. Reporter protests nationally were large and generally peaceful, but it remained tense in portland, oregon. After police gave orders to disspurious overnight, officers were seen forcing people back with batons and flashbacks were used in seattle. Its been a week that has torn at the fabric of our nation the death of george floyd at the hand of police. Cbs news has learned monday morning President Trump demanded 10,000 activeduty troops be deployed to major cities. Defense secretary mark esper and attorney general bill barr pushed back in dnr Heated Oval Office meeting. Hours later, this moment, as police in riot gear moved Peaceful Protesters for a president ial photo op. 7 00 p. M. Saturday, and what a difference a week makes. Gone are the officers in riot gear, replaced by a sea of peaceful demonstrators with a serious message. They say theyre not leaving until theyre heard. We met the gebra family at the white house. It was 11yearolds ezira idea to come. Throughout this country, a difficult conversation about race, even between protesters and police. Were here to listen. Were here to hear you out, and, you know, i absolutely commend what youre doing. I want systemic change. Reporter those 10,000 activeduty troops that President Trump wanted were never deployed, but thousands of National Guard from around the country were. D. C. s mayor is deunderstand maaing they be sent home. Margaret. Brennan earlier this morning, i went to the jupt to speak with attorney general bill barr. In his role as the nations top Law Enforcement officer, he used the full force of the federal government, including agents from the f. B. I. , a. T. F. , border patrol, Bureau Prisons and the Drug Enforcement administration, to end the looting and violence that happened earlier in the week in washington. 1600 activeduty troops were also put on standby. A Senior Administration official told our cbs david martin that in a meeting at the white house on monday morning, the president demanded that 10,000 activeduty troops be ordered into american streets. Is that accurate . No, thats completely false. Thats completely false. Sunday night brennan the president did not demand that . No, he did not demand that. Brennan what happened . I came over on monday morning for a meeting. The night before had been the most violent, as one of the Police Officials told us, the d. C. Police, it was the most violent day in washington in 30 years, something that the media has not done a very good job of covering. And there had been a riot right along Lafayette Park. I was called over and asked if i would coordinate federal civil agencies, and that the Defense Department would provide whatever support i needed or we needed to protect federal property at the white house, federal personnel. The decision was made to have at the ready and on hand in the vicinity some regular troops. But everyone agreed that use of regular troops is a last resort, and that as long as matters can be controlled with other resources they should be. I felt and the secretary of defense felt we had adequate resources and wouldnt need to use federal troops. But in case we did, we wanted them nearby. There was never the president never asked or suggested that we needed to deploy regular troops at that point. Its been done from time to time in our history. We try to avoid it. And im happy that we werably to avoid it on this occasion. Brennan so there were activeduty troops put on standby. They were not deployed. The 82nd airborne was put on standby, but not sent into the streets. The 82nd Airborne Military Police were brought into the area, but they were not brought into d. C. Brennan so what part i just want to make sure what part of that conversation, as its been relaid to cbs and to other news organizations, is false . Did the president not demand activeduty troops . Well, your question to me just a moment ago was did he demand them on the street . Did he demand them on d. C. . No we had them on standby, in case they were needed. Brennan which they were put on standby. They were not deployed. Right. Brennan so in our reporting, we were also told that you, the defense secretary, mark esper, and general mili all opposed idea of actually deploying these activeduty troops on to the street. Is that accurate . I think our position was common, which was that they should only be deployed as a last resort. And that we didnt think we would need them. I think everyone was on the same page. Brennan do you think that the president has the authority to unilaterally send in activeduty troops if the governors oppose it . Oh, absolutely. Under the antiinsurrection act, the president can use regular troops to suppress rioting. The confederacy in our country opposed the use of federal troops to restore order and suprus an insurrection so the federal government sometimes doesnt listen to governors in circumstances. Brennan the last time that this has happened was the l. A. Riots in 1992, when the governor of california asked for activeduty troops. Thats correct. Brennan youre saying and your understanding as the law would interpret it and you would support is the president has the ability to put activeduty troops on american streets, even if governors object . Its happened numerous times and the answer to that is yes. Brennan you would support that . Well, it depends on the circumstances. I was involved in the l. A. Riots in the rodney king matter. We tried to use nonmilitary forces. I sent 2,000 federal Law Enforcement officers out there in one day, but it was overwhelming. And the National Guard couldnt handle it, and governor pete wilson asked for federal troops. Brennan he asked for them. Yes. Brennan thats a key distinction. He approved of use of federal troops. But those troops were on standby as well. Brennan because i think a number of people would be surprised to hear, and its been reported you opposed sending in activeduty troops on principle. Youre saying you would support it. As a last resort. Brennan so in this monday meeting with the president , when the defense secretary, who has now publicly said that he opposed using the insurrection act, you said what to the president . I dont think the secretary of defense said he opposed it. I think he said that it was a last resort, and he didnt think it was necessary. I think we all agree that its a last resort, but its ultimately the president s decision. The reporting is completely false on this. Brennan do you believe there is systemic racism in Law Enforcement . I think theres racism in the United States still, but i dont think that the Law Enforcement system is systemically racist. I understand the distrust, however, of the African American community, given the history in this country. I think we have to recognize that for most of our history, our institutions were explicitly racist. Since the 1960s, i think weve been in a phase of reforming our institutions and making sure that theyre in sync with our laws and arent fighting the rear guard action to impose inequities. Brennan and you think thats working . I think reform is a difficult task, but i think it is working, and progress has been made. I think one of the best and whichs is the military. The military used to be explicitly racist institution, and now i think its in the vanguard of bringing the races together and providing equal opportunity. I think Law Enforcement has been going through the same process. Brennan do you think there should be some tweaking of the rules, reduced immunity, to go after some of the bad cops . I dont think you need to reduce immunity to go after the bad cops, because that would result, certainly, in Police Pulling back. You know, policing is the toughest job in the country. And i and i, frankly, think that we have, generally, the vast overwhelming majority of police are good people. Theyre civicminded people who believe in serving the public. They do so bravely. They do so reichously. Brennan but the bad cops. I think there are instances of bad cops, and i think we have to be careful about automatically assuming that the actions of an individual necessarily mean that their organization is rotten. All organizations have people who engage in this conduct, and you sometimes have to be careful as to when you arb scribe that to the whole organization, and when it really is some errant member who isnt following the rules. Brennan but doesnt opening the pattern of practice investigation in places like minneapolis where there are questions about the broader issues with policing. It wasnt just the one officer. Wouldnt that answer that question . Well, thats exactly the reaction that i think has been a problem in the past, which is it again, just reacting to this incident by immediately putting the department under investigation doesnt necessarily result in improving the situation. But i would say, that in the first instance, the governor has announced an investigation of the police department, the governor, governor walz, a democratic governor, is investigating the police department. The attorney general of minnesota is looking into the police department. We stand ready to act if we think its necessary, but i dont think necessarily starting a pattern of practice investigation at this stage is warranted. Another thing is, we have to look at some of the evidence. I mean, people you know, the fact is that the criminal Justice System at both the state and the federal level moved instantaneously on ghep moved quickly with our investigation. But we still have to look into what kind of useofforce policies are used in that department, what the training has been, smoos not something we can do overnight. Golodryga coming up after our break, the attorney general tells us about the forceable clearing of Lafayette Park ahead of the president s visit there on monday. Also, i want to make sure to note that cbs stands by our davidavid martins reporting, ae want to clarify here that the secretary of defense, esper, does oppose the insurrection act. You can hear for yourself. I do not support invoking the insurrection act. Brennan well be back in one minute. But as i reflect and see all the Amazing Things youve been doing. One thing is clear, technology has never been so important. Youre turning living rooms into conference rooms, backyards into school yards, and bringing doctors into homes virtually and securely. You are transforming Business Models and virtualizing workforces overnight. Because so much of that relies on financing, we have committed two billion dollars to relieve the pressure on your business. And to help us all emerge from this, weve opened our supercomputers and patented technologies to scientists around the world, accelerating the search for a vaccine. This isnt easy. But as you adapt and move forward, were here with the people, financing, and technology, ready to help. Brennan and weren back nowwilliamcuixdxgi want f the events of the week. On monday, Lafayette Park was cleared of protesters. Youve spoken about this. The federal agents who were there report up to you. Did you think it was appropriate for them toxd use smoket okni bf tear gas, pepper balls, projectiles, at what appeared to be Peaceful Protesters . Theynprotesters and thats e big lies the media seems to beco perpetuating. Brennan three of my cbs colleagues were there, we talked to them. They did not hear warnings. There were three warnings. Lets get back toco why we took that action. On friday, saturday, and sunday, okay, there were violent riots in at Lafayette Park, where the park police were under0l constant attackco behindc aheir bike rack fences. Onco sunday, things reachedco a crescendo. The officers were pummeled with bricks. Crow bars were used to pry up the pavers at the park, and they were hurled at police. There were fires set in not onlo st. Johns church but achistoric building at lafayette burned down. Brennan these were things that looters did. Not looters. These othe were the violent rios who dominated Lafayette Park. Brennan it was a peaceful protest let me get to this. This has been totally obscured by the media. They broke into the treasury department. And they were injuring police. That;w night brennan sunday night. Sunday night, the park police prepared a plan to clear h. Street and put a larger perimeter around the swhois they could build a morepermanent fence on lafayette. Brennan this is on sunday night . The park police on their own on sunday night determined this was the proper approach. When i came inxdnrnrniu tonr increase the perimeter and push it out one block. That decision was made by me. In thenr morning, the effort was to move the perimeter one block. And itnico had to be done when e had enough people in place to achieve that. And thatni decisio asni ico sas communicated to the police at 2 00 p. M. The operation was run by the park police. The park police was facing what they consider to be a very rowdr and noncompliant crowd, and there wereni projectiles being hurled at the police. And at that point, it was not to respond brennan on monday, youre saying there were projectiles. On monday, yes, there were. Brennan as im saying three of my colleagues were there. They did not see projectiles being thrown. I was there, i was there. Brennan when that happened. I saw them thrown. Brennan you believe what our police did, using tear gas and projectiles, was appropriate. Heres what the medias missing. This was not an operation to respond to that particular crowd. It was an operation to move the perimeter one block. Brennan and the methods they used, you think, were appropriate . Is that what youre saying . When they met resistance, yes. They announced three times. They didnt move by the way, there was no tear gas used. The tear gas was used sunday when they had to clear h. Street to allow the Fire Department to come in to save st. Johns church. Brennan there were chemical irtants. Pepper spray is not a chemical irritant. Its not chemical. Brennan pepper spray youre saying were used. Peber balls. Brennan and you believe that was appropriate. A lot of people at home watching this on television, what they saw and their perception of events. I want you to see what the public at home saw. A president of law and order and aally of all Peaceful Protesters, but in recent days our nation has been gripped by professional anarchists, violent mobz, arsonists, looters, criminals, rioters,oo, antifa ad others. Brennan while the president is saying he appreciates peacefulcoxdconiok. Innocent people have been savagely beaten. Brennan around the same time six minutes difference. Brennan right. Around the same time, the area is being cleared of what appear to be people protesters, use something force. And after the speech is finished, the president then walks out of the white house to the same area where the protesters had been, and stands for a photo op in front of the church, where the protesters had been. These events looked very connected to people at home. In an environment where the broader debate is about heavyhanded use of force in Law Enforcement, was that the right message northerns to be receiving . Well, the message is sometimes communicated by the media. I didnt see any video being played on the media what was happening friday, saturday, and sunday. All i heard was comments about how peaceful the protesters were. I didnt hear about the fact that there were 150 Law Enforcement officers injured and many taken to the hospital with concussions. So it wasnt a peaceful protest. We had to get control over Lafayette Park, and we had to do it as soon as we were able to do that. Brennan but you understand how these events appear connected. Well, its the job of the media to tell the truth. Brennan this is what im asking you. Did you know when you gave the green light for these actions to be taken that the president was going to be going to that very same area for a photo op . I gave the green light at 2 00. Obviously, i didnt know that the president was going to be speak later that day. Brennan you had no idea. No, noir not. The goahead was given at 2 00 and to do it as soon as we were able to do it. To move from the perimeter from h. Street to i. Street. Brennan were bothnr catholic. I know youre observant, a devout catholic. The archbishop dwhenl is whatw there doing what you meant when you were on that call with governors and you said to dominate the streets. Is that what Law Enforcement is supposed to be taking away from this . No, on the contrary. My point to the governors and what i was saying was that its important when youre dealing with civil disturbances to have adequate forces at hand and out and about so you can control events and and not be controlled by events, and its more dwrus for everybody if you have these mild melees with thin thinly manned police lines running after protesters with batons and its important to have adequate forces on the street. And so we were encouraging them, where they were stretched thin, to call out National Guard if necessary to restore order. Thats what i was talking about. I would say that9particular e protesters, sometimes peaceful demonstrators, for a short distance in order to accomplish public safety, and thats what was done here. Brennan so there was nothing you think should have been donel done differently in hindsight. I havent studied the events retrospectively in detail, but generally, you had qualified Law Enforcement officials with shields, warning and moving a line slowly. They had mounted officers moving slowly, directed people to move. And most people complied. Brennan all right. Mr. Attorney general, we have more questions for you, but im tweld are out of time. Thank you. Brennan our full interview with the attorney general will soon be available on our beness hope youll watch. Well be back in a moment. Feel the cool rush of new claritin cool mint chewables. Powerful 24hour, nondrowsy, allergy relief plus an immediate cooling sensation for your throat. Live claritin clear. For only week only, save up to 13 on select claritin products. Check this sundays newspaper for details. And other Money Managers dont understand why. Because our way works great for us but not for your clients. Thats why were a fiduciary, obligated to put clients first. So, what do you provide . Cookie cutter portfolios . Nope. We tailor portfolios to our clients needs. But you do sell investments that earn you high commissions, right . We dont have those. 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Brennan well be right back with a lot more face the nation, including a conversation with former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, as well as the latest on the race to find a vaccine for knoached dr. Scott gottlieb, 13w0eu7s mrs. Walker. Michael vasquez come over here. Ive heard such good things about you, your company. Well, i wouldnt have done any of it without you. Without this place. This is for you. Michael, you didnt have to. And, were going to need some help with the rest. Youve worked so hard to achieve so much. Perhaps its time to partner with someone who knows you and your business well enough to understand what your wealth is really for. Brennan in addition to former seeps experience as a diplomat. Shes now an educator a director of the hoover nugz at stanford university. Shes also the greatgreat granddaughter of a slave owner. Ands a child was a friend of one of the young girls killed in the 1963 Birmingham Church bombing. She was just a block away when it happened. We spoke to her earlier and asked her what she thinks is different about todays movement. People are a little bit sick and tired of being sick and tired, to quote the great civil rights leader, fanny lieu hager, and i think that is leading to people of different backgrounds, different color, different experiences to say how can we make the outcome different this time and leading people to look at questions about our criminal Justice System, about the justice of our institutions. But more importantly, its looking having us look in the mirror at questions about race. Its a very, very deep and abiding wound in an america that was born with a birth defect of slavery. And im really hoping that this time well have really honest conversations, the conversations that are not judgmental, conversations that are deep, but honest conversations about what weve been through and who we want to be. Brennan you wrote in an opinion piece recently that protests will take our country only so far and if we are to make progress, let us check the language of reclaimation at the door. What did you mean by that. We have a very painful history. Europeans and africans came to this country together. Africans came in chains. My d. N. A. Is 40 european. My greatgreatgrandfather was my greatgrandmothers slave owner. Thats a very hard truth. But it is a truth of the past. We now have tuke about how to move forward. And when i talk to people of different colors, particularly my white friends, my white colleagues, i dont want it to be in the language of recrimination. I want it to be in the language of how do we move forward. I think we each have an individual responsibility its a collective responsibility, yes, but its an individual responsibility to ask wha, wham i going to do, specifically, what am i going to do to help heal these wounds and move our country forward . Because race is still very much a factor in everyday life in america. Brennan you said for you personally, answering the question of what do i do . You focused on education. I come from a family where my grandfather managed to, as a share krorps son, to get educated in alabama in the 1920s. Education was always, for us, a way tbre to break through the barriers of prejudice, and education is not a shield against prejudice, but it gives people a fighting chance. If you look at this covid19 crisis, it has exposed even deeper inequalities in our society. Just imagine being a child twhriegz to learwhostrying to e parents dont speak english, the parents descrent educational background of their own. And contrast that with the kid whose parents are well educated and can read to them. Weve got a whrorvth to do around inequality. Brennan and to your bienlt. It seems to be widening the existing divide. Just looking at the data, the jobles rate in this country for the black community ticked up in may to 17 , and black women, in particular, are bearing the brunt of that. Where do you see the policy Solutions Coming from right now . This crise has exacerbated problems that were there already. And we displowrses, are we just going to say, well, my goodness, look at what weve seen. Are we really going to act . We know in this crisis, if you can 23w4r0er7b8gs work from home, if you are capable of being on the internet, you can continue to work. Youre not unemployed. Knowledge workers are doing better. Lets say every american is going to have broadband. Every american is going to have access to internet. It means people in rural areas, it means people in schools that are not wellendowed. Brennan if you were advising this particular president , what would you be telling him to do at this glierntle i would asmoment . I would ask the president to first and forsmeskt in the language of unity, the language of empathy. Not everyone is going to agree with any president wthis president. But you have to speak to every american, glowf glowft to thoseo might agree with you. You have to speak about the deep wounds that we have, and that were going to overcome them. I have heard the president talked about the resilience of americans. I would loaf too hear more of that. Twitter and tweeting are not great ways for complex thoughts, for complex messages. When the president speaks, it needs to be from a place of thoughtfulness, from a place of having hond the message. And glowft the president. I would like to hear it from the leaders in congress from both sides of the aisle. I whrowstled to hear it from mayors and others. Leaders at this particular point need to do everything they can to koample, sphwhients our divisions. Brennan he has mourned George Floyds death, but he has used language like, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. He said his supporters love the black people. When you hear phrases like that, how does that land with you . Do you just dismiss it because its President Trump . Well, no. The president , obviously, the shooting and looting, he said that he didnt know that Historical Context. And so i would say think about the Historical Context before you Say Something because it is a deep wound. And the presidency is special in that regard. People look 209 the oval office as we have looked to the oval office throughouture history, for messages, for signals. As i said, the president has used some language that i i really very, very much admire, like the revillience of the american people. Just be careful about those messages. Im not advising the president. But if i were, id say lets put tweeting aside for a little bit, and talk to us. Have a conversation with us. And i think we need that, and i think he can do it. Brennan retired general jim matis said it wasnt, in his interpretation, unintentional. In fact, he said, donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who did flight to unite the american people. He does 23407b9 even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. Do you believe its intentional . Do you agree with matis. I have enormous respect for jim matis. Hes a patriot. Hes my friend. And he spoke to something he needed to speak to. What i want speak to is the future, and what we do here over the next several 13w450e7bgz are having protests that need to be peaceful, but we have always moved ahead by part in protest. Theres no excuse for the criminality and looting. Thats not whe are and what we are. I will tell you, as somebody who grew up in birmingham alabama, jim crow alabama, when a black man was shot by a policeman it wouldnt even be a footnote in the newspaper. Im really grateful to people who are goingute now and saying, no, that is snenlt. Im grateful to nems tblowng support good police who are thinking about how stument of those people who put their lives on the line every day to protect us. But also to say too those who do snrowrt best interest at heart, who diernthd that obligation to protect and defend without regard to color, enough. We wont put up with that, either. So this is a time for every american to speak to our unity but to also be very cogniz anthony of how we describe our differences, hue we addressure differences, and, especially, how we address one another with empathy. Brennan is there any circumstance in which you think it would be acceptable in these days to use what the president said to governors he would use, which was the insurrection act, to send activeduty military into American Cities . Well, i would absolutely advise against it, particularly at this time. Look, the Founding Fathers were very smart about this. Tooms jefer soon talked about the citizen soldier, and the emboodiment of the citizen soldier is the National Guard and reserve. They come from the community. They are of these communities. They are trained in everything from dealing with natural disasters to dealing with issues like crowd control. And when the local police kent handle it, the National Guards the right the right answer. Our military isnt trained to do this. Our military is trained for the battlefield. And this isnt a battlefield in that sense. Brennan some of americas adversaries russia, iran, china they are using the images of what happened too mr. Floyd and what is happening on the streets of American Cities right now, in their own state propaganda. Do you see this racial divide as a National Security threat to us . I would say to fleez in places like china and russia and iran, who may want to use this for propaganda, lets not be absurd. This is men square, where you dmoind people who disagreed with the government. This is not the invasion of crimea, where you took land from your neighbor. This is not the greenni revolutn in iran where you killed people wantonly because they wouldnt agree with the thecrattic government. And i would even say to our friends abroad, in places like europe, where wm seeing demonstrations in support of what is happening here, thank you for your support. But please look in the mirror. Please ask yourself in countries in europe, in countries all across the world, what are you doing about racial and ethnic inequality in your own circumstances . America has gotten better because we have been willing to confront our problems. And were going to confrowrnt problems again. Were confronting them now, and i think we will move forward this time. But i really dont need to be lectured by Vladimir Putin and xi jiping about peaceful protest when they have themselves used their own force when people have criticized the government. That is not what is happening here. Brennan noted. Madam secretary, you did not support President Trump in 2016. Seeing what you have seen, will you support him in 2020 . As ive often said, when im ready to speak about american politics, ill come back to you, and youll be the first to know when i want to speak about american politics. Right now, what i want to speak to is my fellow americans and to understand the deep divisions that we have, to understand what it is to be black. You asked about the military earlier. Lets remember, too, that our people in uniform also come from different backgrounds. They come from different races. Theyre united in a common cause. But this is hard for them, too, and i know that their commanders are aware of the painful conversations that need to be need to take place, even within our military. But one great thing is when we unite for a common cause, as they often do, it helps us to overcome those differences. Brennan madam secretary, thank you for your reflections and your time today. Its a pleasure being with you. God bless. Brennan secretary rice mentioned the International Show of support. Cbs news senior Foreign Correspondent Elizabeth Palmer reports on that movement around the world. Reporter in london, thousands poured sphwrets around permanent on saturday, in solidarity with american protesters. Their message black lives matter everywhere, and so does justice. What do we want . Justice when do we want it . Now reporter george floydee death galvanized demonstrators from berlin stoll, sout seoul, o syney, australia, where it has a special resonance, especially among Aboriginal People beaten ear killed in custody. In 2015, australia had its own george floyd, david dunga, who died in custody shouting, i cant breathe. As the sign says, same story, different soil. Theres the same anger, too. Though, overall, the protests this weekend were peaceful. In london, police skirmished briefly with a small knot of demonstrators, and there was a flurry of excitement when a police hearsay bolted. But the main message, coming from the mostly young multiracial crowd is enough is enough. And to americans, you are not alone. Margaret, once again today, thousands of londoners are breaking the lockdown rules. Theyve come out to stage a fresh priest today in front of the american embassy. Brennan liz palmer, thank you. Same story, different soil. Well be right back. The loss offsets the gain so that everything. And 24 hour relief from symptoms caused byn. Over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. Like those from buddy. Because nothing should come between two best friends. Feel the clarity, and live claritin clear. Music uh, fifteen minutes could save you 15 ain . Or more on car insurance. I think were gonna swap over to over seventyfive years of savings and service. What, were just gonna swap over . Yep. 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Fauci in an interview on friday said these protests are a perfect setup for the spread of the virus. So even though these protesters are young and Wearing Masks, you believe this will ignite more of an outbreak. Well, were certainly going to see transmission coming out of these gatherings. The theres no question about that. The prevalence in the United States of infection right now is one in 200 people. You can estimate how many people probably have the infection in these gatherings. I think the idea of reducing the risk from these protests is a shared responsibility. There are steps that the protesters can take. And and you see many of them Wearing Masks in these protests and understanding the risks. There are also things authorities can do, i think, in terms of how they deescalate the situation. The best science we have is a recent study that came out of germany, where there were large gathering in germany, and they looked at what the spread was coming out of those gatherings. These were festive gathers, but they were large nonetheless. There was a 2. 5time increase in the rate of transmission as a result of bringing people together in large gathers. So we have an understanding that these kinds of settings do create risks. Brennan these protests are happening in places that are largely hot spots minneapolis, washingtonwashington, d. C. I kw houston, texas, where George Floyds body is going to be buried in this coming week, also expects large crowds. What are you seeing in those places . Well, if the protesters understood the risks, many of them, i think thats evidenced by the fact they wore masks and they made a judgment that, you know, they were worth the risk in terms of going out and protesting what are legitimate underlying grievances. I think youre right. These are occurring in hot spots. Were likely to see cases go up. I think trying to tease out what the contribution is from the protests versus the contribution just of the general reopening is going to be hard. When you look at cities like new york city, where cases have come down dramatically, you have below 100 hospitalizations a day right now, i think were probably going to see an uptick. Were going to see an uptick in other major cities where there have been these protests. Its hard to judge just how much right now, and its going to take a couple of weeks. Were probably going to have to get a few transmission cycles out to judge what the impact was. I think what the protesters can do is try to take precautions wear masks, distance where they can, and try to avoid things like getting in contact with elderly people, people who are vulnerable, after attending these protests. Brennan i know a number of mayors have told attendees to go get a covid test. I want to ask you where we are with vaccines. You know, secretary azar was on this program just about three weeks ago, and he told us the administration was going to unveil their four to six selections for a vaccine, the final candidates. The New York Times reported this week thats going to be imminent. What is the delay here . Well, im not sure theres a delay. There was reporting this week that looked like it came off Administration Official thereas they made a selection of at least five candidates. Those were two rnabased vaccines where you deliver the genetic material from the virus to code for the production of the protein in the virus you want people to develop antibodies against. And three vaccines using viral vectors to deliver that same protein. Its called a spike protein, what the virus used to invade our cells. Im on the board of one company developing one platform, the mrn platform. Thats pfizer. I think they should include older vaccines in that mix. So in addition to the novelty, which is likely to deliver more immunogenissity, thats the judgment theyre making. They should probably fall back on older style vaccines as well. Thats what the chinese is doing, using oldstyle vaccines and they may beat us to the market on that. They may have vaccines that are less protective but get to market earlier and are probably making the judgment that partial protection earlier is better than full protection later. Brennan you told us the candidates were oxford, astrazeneca, moderna, johnson johnson. What should be added to that . What was added was sonofi. The five you mentioned were the five with the exception of sonofi. Its based on the same platform used to develop their flu vaccine. I think that should be included. Im not aware how far along they are whether there were issues with the Development Plan that caused regulators, or Public Health officials to make judgment not to include that. Perhaps they will include that. The other company that has a proteinbased vaccine that appears to be far along going into the studies is nova vax. I would reach back and include some olderstyle approaches in addition to the novelty. The issue si think, the more novel approaches are going to be more immunogenetic, probably. Brennan dr. Gotly brennan we asked one of the most prolific writers we know for his thoughts this week. Heres john dickerson. Reporter in his inaugural address, President Trump promised that. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. Reporter he promised action on behalf of those who had been ignored by the powerful and to fix a system that had kept them ignored. This week, protesters took to the streets to fix a broken system. They marched on behalf of forgotten men and women. George floyd, breona taylor, ahmad arbry forgotten that they were citizens, forgotten tat they were human. President george w. Bush said floyds death resulted from systemic racism, the latest in a long series of tragedies, not incidents, but victims of a system that had forgotten them. The marchers pushing across the nation sought justice, which starts with a recognition. Some answer was required to the cry of pain to show that it was heard, not in the ear but in the heart. Justice requires a hearing. This was a moment for a president. A few paragraphs and the usual brief febrilation of public care were not enough. In a nation dedicated to equality, the president is the one official who represents everybody and who could use his office to focus national concern. A president could bear witness. We know what it looks like when a president considers an issue vital. He takes emergency action. When he doesnt, that sends a signal, too. Monday night, President Trump made his emergency move. He walked from the white house to st. Johns, the church of the president s, spending the full armory of political capital, symbolism, and concern. He did so not as a balm but a rebuke. He held the bible not for comfort but as a cudgel. Protesters had come to the white house to ask that their agony not be swept aside this time. The law and order president s show of force they were swept aside by shield and smoke. It will not soon be forgotten, which is what the forgotten men and women and their allies hoped the president would help them say about their cause, too. Brennan well be talking with john next week about his new book the hardest job in the world. Well see you then. Thank you, all, for watching. I switched to miralax for my constipation. Stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. Miralax works with the water in your body to unblock your system naturally. And it doesnt cause bloating, cramping, gas, or sudden urgency. Miralax. Look for the pink cap. Michael vasquez come over here. 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