Uterine transplants. We have medical miracles. But in fact they are not miracles, they are techniques, applications of new knowledge and trials and experiments. If you have technique you will have cost and consequences and benefits as well. I want to understand those thing and invited a guest who can tell us about them. We talk to a medical professional a founder of a local institution that is a stuo ethics. Thank you for joining us. We will be back in a moment and talk about bio ethics. Hello and welcome to mosaic. Let me introduce our guest. Your face may be familiar to wed on television and radio. You are a medical professional by original training right . Now you are the president of a center for the study of bio ethics based in Pleasant Hill california. So, are you a local girl . Did you grow up here . I have been here since high school. So i consider myself a local girl. I married a Third Generation san franciscan. My first job was Critical Care nursing here in San Francisco. So i did practice nursing for 20 years. 20 years ago you founded the center for center for bio ethics and culture. What caused you toove mede ad science and alwayon the cutting edge of a new technology, treatment, therapy. But i was also interesting in the ethics of the advancements. Not just because we can do something doesnt always mean we should do something. You have a masters, okay. Yeah it was part of my graduate work that founded the center that i run. It is an educational nonprofit, and it is internationally known. You testified at the un and spoken in foreign countries. People are interested in the knowledge you have. These issues are not just unique to the united states. We have sick p the rld interfacing with the medical profession. And this is a catholic show, youhoc . Correct. I am lutheran and work very closely with many of my good catholics friends on areas we agree. So what is the center for bio ethics do . We are heavily involved in the area of making life. So you mentioned gene editing and cloning and all of the new novel way Bio Technology allows us to make human life. You mentioned uterine womb transplants and we are heavily involved in that space and we write and do media to help educate people. One of the important element is we want the public to be involved. We all have a voice and something at stake. So, how do you reach out. You reach out to younger people . Do you have seminars . You make movies i have seen a er these released . They are all available on amazon, so if you want to go toa podcast and talk about womens reproductive health. We reach out to young people and very involved in social media. A lot of young people spend their time on twitter and facebook we have a weekly news letter to make these more science and technological issues more accessible. Yeah, so and in i am interested in these things and you have information sheets on your website. Fact sheets. Yeah, and we have quite a feur film making has been some of been on the issue of egg donations. Young women seeing ad ss to donate their eggs. We have a fact sheet on egg donation and break down some of the risks, some of the realities of making that decision. We want people to be informed when they make decisions. We have one on surrogacy. I am involved on the global debates about surrogacy. And these are available on your website . Yes they are free information. These are techniques and techniques have benefits perhaps but costs and consequences, you try to inform people about both . Sure, we are not antitechnology, i a car to get here and answer emails on my smart phone but with a car there is risk. You know, and so we want people to be informed. There is risks to young Womens Health to make the decision to sell or donate their eggs and we want people to have all of the in they can make an informed decision. I dont know the extent of the industry. How many young women are involved . We dont really track. That is one of the realities. It is a multibillion dollar a year industry. So it is a very, very, large industry but it is new. We dont really have good figures and data and numbers and tracking of how many people are doing this. Okay, but it is known there are consequences or difficulties hese are healthy young women taking medicine. You usually take medicine when you are sick. I am sick so i am going to take this medicine that has risks and side effec and there are take medicine. We will take a brief break and come back with another section. [ cell phone rings ] yeah, im watching it too. I see them every day. The curtains, theyre always drawn in this place. I know. That guy, it seems like hes in charge of them. I dont know, i dont feel very good about this. We have to report this. Yes, absolutely. Welcome back. We are talking with jennifer, the founder and president of the center of bio ethics and culture in Pleasant Hill and we risks on brand new interventions and techniques. One which you have studied is egg donation and the other is surrogacy. I think the theme i here in what you are saying is there are risks for the women involved and you have education to offer us about these things. I encourage people to watch our films they are great films where we talk to young women who have done this and walk through their experiences. And they are readily available on your website. We will runde givinyour domal of that. But all of these resources we are talking about are on your website. Yes, absolutely, you think of the Young Healthy egg donor you see in the school newspaper. Or on the subway. Yeah, they see these ads and i can help someone and that money would help me a lot. That could help pay for college. And what happens is they take these powerful drugs and harvest a bunch of eggs that will be sold. There are serious and long term consequences. In the case of surrogacy. A surrogacy pregnancy has above and beyond the natural risks. We had a a surgant mother who died. They thought it was a great way to help someone. Then they thought the financial incentive would be beneficial. What is the great interest in surrogacy . It seems like arent there adoptable children born and need homes . The argument i hear often for people interested in advancing surrogacy will say this allows people to have a genetic child. A biologically related child. In the case of the surrogate. You know she might be carrying your own genetic child for you and your wife or you and your husband and that is the argument. It is unfortunate because there are many children in the foster care system that could benefit from a home. Yeah, and we see stories about these. Even if you are not a professional in the field and you learn there are contract difficulties. There are legal difficulties that have not been solved. And economic disparities. You see a celebrities having a baby through surrogacy but you dont see a celebrity being a surrogate for a low income woman, and that is how i work to bring together many voices to help educate people on all angles of the story. I know that you do have a large cohort of medical professionals and intu intellectuals. Your film is a big hit. I mean it has been watched i dont know, millions of times . I wish i could keep track but you dont know if they watched it by themselves or in front of 500 people. It has been sold in 34 countries and won best documentary in the california independence Film Festival and it won awards and been recognized. It is an important film that keeps being watched and shown around the world. It is probably an important tool for young women, the target audience for egg donation harvesters. Young women come up and say thank you for your work. I get these ads on my Facebook Page and see them in the campus newspapers. They have grateful for the information. Wonderful. Yeah. Well let me ask you about, you have these educational tools for the common person. Easily available and readily accessible. You also have an intellectual side to your institute. I is the paul ramsey institute. Now as i understand it is an institute studying bio ethics and named for paul ramsey. I read a lot of his writings and he is the late, great paul ramsey of princeton and on the forefront of the shift from medical ethics to bio ethics. We having this institute and a Fellowship Program where young men and women are applying for a coveted spot. We are only able to accept a few, one of the first fellows who wrote when breath becomes air. To give you an insight of the caliber of people attracted to this two year fellow ship and they study a medical doctor. And a professor of ethics. We will take a brief break and have one final segment with jennifer. Welcome back. Jennifer you mentioned paul, and a book i read, it was a best seller. He was a neuro surgeon at stanford. Young i his last few months of life got treatments that were unsuccessful and wrote a wonderful book. A associated with your institution . He was one of our first fellows. We run a 2 year fellowship and men and wim andim women will apply. He was with us and when he wrote when breath becomes air. Yeah, truly moving. You have top notch academics and medical professionals who apply for a limited number of spots, and then they are there for 2 years . And is there a physical location . We have the meetings in San Francisco bay area, our fellows are students in md programs and phd programs and law programs. So they come to San Francisco for a long weekend and we have scheduled meetings and they wrestle and think with our scholars and over a period of 2 years we bring them to the bay area. And the training is in bio ethics. A doctor who knows how to do anything to the human body may not know bio ethics. The same with a law student, doesnt understand the legality of some of the issues. Gene editing and the law will have to weigh in. There are students who are going on to hopefully teach at universities and teaching students. So it is part of their formation. They love it because it is multidisciplinary and cross discipline and benefit from hearing from each other and good lively discussions. And they take thess distribute it as well. Exactly. We are also creating a network with a Strong Alumni program. We have the paul ramsey dinner and the alumni come and we are creating a network of like minded individuals in different areas of professional work. You have your annual dinner in honor of paul ramsey, you give the paul ramsey award and that is april 4th . Yeah, every year we recognize one person for their work in ts year it is going to a law professor at george mason university. All of the fellows will be there and the scholars, it is quite a gala event and a great way for people to come ano ethics and culture and the institute and meet cool young men and women who will change the world. And the public is invited . Yes. They can find it on the website and register and get a table. April 4th. We want to run a slide, and that shows you how to get in touch. Cbc that is your logo and your website. And now, i put below this colleagues and counterparts. What is that . The National Catholics bio ethic center. That is another center like yours on the other coast, catholic in description and teaching but doing the same kind of work. That is wonderful. I want to encourage people to support your work. To go to the dinner, if that makes sense, and i would like you to the tell us how do i put it. How much is there to learn. Should we go every day . I dont know about that, just getting on the email mailing list is good, we send out a news letter a week. If you think i am not a doctor or scientist it is targeted for the lay person. If you want to show a film or organize a discussion in your own perish or classroom. Yeah, that is what i was thinking. A perish Events Manager or you want to setup can you send a speaker . We have a speaker form online. You can say i have an event and i am looking for someone to give a talk on whatever the topic is. And they can show you film . Yeah and come visit us in our office if they us in Pleasant Hill. Do you have connection with the local Catholic School district . I have spoken at several of the schools, high schools and beyond and spoke at the catholic bishops conference in dallas. That is right. Wonderful. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for sharing, i want to encourage people to go to your website and perhaps attend this wonderful dinner. Yeah, wonderf ver much for joining us on mosaic. 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