About influence and left key allies questioning judgment. If we a boon don the kurds it is too our shame and National Security detriment. Trump will own the reemergence of isis. Brennan and new am mu nation in the impeachment investigation. A qui quo pro. Funding will not flow unless the investigation we do that all the time with foreign policy. I have news for everybody, get over it. Brennan our guests, two members of the house Intelligence Committee. Jim hine and will heard. As u. S. Troops continue to leave syria a conversation with the man who led them, general tony thomas. His first interview since retiring from the judge. All that and political analysis of the week next on face the nation. Brennan good morning, welcome to face the nation. It was another chaotic week as we bounce between breaking news of the fighting in syria and democrat you can impeachment investigation in washington. Chaos in syria. Adversaries advance and american troops took the extraordinary action of bombing their own base. Vice president pence lead a Emergency Mission to ask turkey to pause the invasion. Turkey and the United States of america have agreed to a ceasefire in seer kwrafpl. Brennan turkey agreed to a fiveday pause. The president erdogan won another kurdish allies must flee. Without spilling a drop of american blood, not one drop of american blood, sometimes you have to let them fight. Like two kids in a lot you let them fight and then pull them apart. Brennan a wednesday meeting on syria brought leaders facetoface with President Trump since the i am preach phepblt probe began. Democrat walked out claiming the president insulted the speaker. We were offended dopily by his treatment to the speaker the president was a meltdown. Saod to say. Earlier that day republicans and democrat overwhelmly voted to rebuke the president for his decision to remove troops. In a rare move Senate Republicans also spoke out. Many argue this was a mistake, it shouldnt of been done. What we have done to the kurds will stand as a blood stain. Brennan meanwhile the impeachment inquiry intensifies. Fiona hill told investigators she notified white house lawyers in july after she heard gord an, the ambassador to the eu offer a meeting with their president and mr. Trump if a investigation was opened into a Ukrainian Energy company that joe bidens son, hunter, worked for. Joe bolton likened it to a drug zeal and wanted to no part of of. Sunland said nobody raised a concern and the president directed him to work with personal lawyer, Rudy Guiliani on the project. The president s chief of staff was also implicated and thursday reported to admit he held up because President Trump wanted the country to investigate a Conspiracy Theory about democrat and the election. No question about that. Thats it. Thats why we held up the money. The demand for a vestigation into the democrats was a part of the reason he was to with hold funding to the ukraine. The look back to 201 was certainly paster of his worry of the corruption with the nation. The funding yes. Which ultimately then flowed. Brennan later in the day mull veinmuvaney released a stat walking back. Brenncoressman, we just laid out what has developed over the course of the week. When will democrats have heard enough to actually move forward with drafting articles of impeachment. Ya, thats a great question, margaret. Its a little hard to answer. Every single day were presented with jaw dropping new information. I dont think anyone anticipated the chief of staff would confirm military aid was being held up over a crack pot theory that is the ndc server made it. Its embarrassing. I, i guess the best i can do to answer your question is, margaret, we have a little more work to do to understand who was involved in stopping that military aid from flowing and what they knew. We have a little more work to do in understanding who gave the order to fire ambassador a profounded diplomat. Apparently the state signed off on. That what basis did he do so. Margaret, at the center of the military aid and white house meeting in a effort to get an investigation of joe biden and ukraine to interfere in our election is Rudy Guiliani. Rudy guiliani refuses to appear before the committee. Hes at the very core of the question. I in my opinion brennan can you proceed without him. I think we can. A shocking thing about the investigation is all of the facts that are out there, that support this notion that military aid was with held, a white house meeting was with held. It com from the administration and chief of staff, the transcript. We have a lot of what we need. Rudy guiliani running around and meeting with heads of state on be half of the president s interest is a profoundly shocking thing for us to understand. If we could piece together based on what the administration has disclosed i think its important to talk to Rudy Guiliani. Brennan republicans argue this process is overly secretive. There was a letter sent to the committee on friday from nine republicans that accuses with holding of document from the minority. Why is that happening . Well, first of all its not happening. As a democrat on the committee i will tell you we are getting witnesses canceled at the last minute, documents at 10 00 oclock the night before a witness comes. In margaret, Bigger Picture here. Will you talk to my friend and colleague shortly, will heard, what is happening is there is no way for the republicans to defend the actions of the president here. What nick muvaney said, there is no way to defend that behavior. Theyre attacking the process. Let me spend a second on that process. The previous impeachment inquire hes of nixon and clinton, the congress was hand a fully done investigation. In the case of clinton by star. In the case of nixon a different special prosecutor. We are doing that now. I will tell you, there will be open hearings brennan when will be released publicly. This will ultimately be out had for the American People to see. What the American People will see is there is not one word of testimony, written or spoken which contradicts the notion that the president use the the assets of the United States military aid, a white house meeting to advance his political interest of getting ukraine brennan when ask the first public hearing and the documents being made public. Again when youre shocked by the chief of staff saying there is a qui quo pro, its hard to make any predictions on the timing. My belief is, margaret, again shocking things happen every day. My belief is the speaker of the house will likely get this wrapped up by the end of the year. I think thats possible. I think having cooperation from the white house maintaining everything is perfect, why not cooperate in my mind. Having cooperation would allow it to move much faster. I think the is speaker will try to get this wrapped up by the end of the year. Brennan there was contradictions in testimony this week. Fiona hill testified she confronted the ambassador discussing the offer of a meeting between the two leader in exchange for opening an investigation. This morning Nick Mulvaney said john bolton did object, never raised a red flag. How do you reconcile that without calling john bolton and the nsc lawyer to testify themselves . Well, you know there have been inconsistencies. I cant get into the details of the testimony. It will surprise nobody to know when a witness comes before the congress they recount the story in a way that makes them look the best. There will always be some tension around the facts. Again we shouldnt get lofton the details of a particular meeting. The fact is, we know this is from any Opening Statements released fro to the public from witnesses, from the whistle blower to other witness its there was profound discomfort with what Rudy Guiliani was doing and believed, this is public, believes that military brennan thank you, congressman, for joining us this morning. We are now bringing into the conversation your friend texas republican will heard. He joins us from san antonio. Good morning to you. Congressman, lets start on the point of discrepancy between the two of you. Congressman said there is nothing information being with held. You signed a letter that information is being with held. Thank you, margaret. Its a pleasure being here. Jim and i are indeed friends and have worked together. That may jock a lot of the American People that democrats and republicans work together. Here is why i signed that letter. My issue is not necessarily with the information were getting in advance, because congressman hienz is right. Sometimes the documents are given at midnight before the hearing. My concern is the information the committee has access to after the depositions are done. As a member of the committee i was only able to get access to the transcript of the am balances dore volker video just a few days ago when it was done three weeks prior. Why dont we have access to the Text Messages sent over. I havent been able to review. That the depositions have been going on for ten or twelve hours a day. Youre not able to sit in all of them. I want to know why hasnt that information been available to you, margaret. I appreciate you asking the question when this will be made available. I think the press plays a important check and balance in this. I would say this is also not a impeachment inquiry. These are just regular oversight hearings. Why are we doing this in the Intelligence Committee . This is, when it started this was a whistle blower whose identity should be protected. I was one of the few republicans who said the whistle blower allegationes werallegationes wet and serious enough to investigation. Even chairman schiff has said we shouldnt have the whistle blower in front of the committee. Why is the Intel Committee doing this when they should look at our intelligence on turkey before moving into syria. We should be calling in stel against professions to tell us how will we be prepared to fight a resurgent isis. Brennan to be clear youre permitted to sit in on the depositions. For sure. I have sat in a lot of them. I havent gotten the information after its over. Theyre all transcribed. The evidence given in the meetings havent been made fully available to, to republicans, and this are issues like republican staff is being limited from some of the hearings when the majority staff is able to have more. Having staff in those interviews are super important. Brennan do you think there was, its not a qui quo pro, a understanding or perception of one between the white house and ukraine . That is a good question. To me thats the heart of this matter. What was the, you know if there was a qui quo pro what was it for . For investigation of the previous election or to get dirt for 2020. What we havent heard yet, we havent heard from any ukrainian official that felt like there was this arrangement. We havent had a ukrainian official tell a state Department Official that they felt like their arms were being twisted. I would of thought based on state Department Officials we have met and interviews so far you would get an inking of that happening. When i was in the cia you if the country hears something they go to their contact at the embassy and say what does this mean. We havent had a whiff of that for this issue. I want to know who Rudy Guiliani actually talked to. He talked to two ukrainians. Brennan you would like him to come before the committee and answer questions. Yes. Having mayor guiliani testify is important. Brennan i want to get to seer ya. You feel strongly and agree with leader mcconnell who says it was a grave mistake for the president to pull out of syria. Is Congress Just completely power less here to limit the damage that you see . Our, we have some restrictions. Its easier to compel an administration to stop doing something then it is to begin something. I think what we could be doing now is bringing in the heads of the military. Head of the intel tkwepbs service. Heads of the humanitarian association to talk about what to do t to prevent isis from resurgery. How will we be prepared for the humanitarian crisis that is happening. Thats why i think Mitch Mcconnell when he said this is a grave mistake. We know there is about 30,000 isis fighters throughout the region. We know the leader of isis is still around. Now instead of saying this is a peace deal unfortunately i havent seen all of the details but what i have learned it looks more like turns of surrender than a peace deal. Unfortunately our enemies and adversaries like iran, russia, turkey theyre playing chess. Unfortunately this administration is playing checkers. Brennan yes or no should the president of turkey come to the white house next month . Thats a tough tkwe. I think brennan okay. Thats a tough question. Brennan okay. Thats not a yes or no. We will give you time. Thank you, congress man. We have to leave it there. We will be back with general tony thomas. Ng the way we work with advanced Data Analytics helping us develop more productive wells. And were exploring ways to use Renewable Energy in our operations. Doin more. With less. More data and precision. To help meet growing demand. Thats going to get a lot of likes. Chevron. Innovating to meet the energy demands of today and tomorrow. I cantwhat . Ve it. That our new house is haunted by casper the friendly ghost . Hey jill hey kurt movies . Ill get snacks no, i cant believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on our Car Insurance with geico. I got snacks ohhh, i got popcorn, i got caramel corn, i got kettle corn. Am i chewing too loud . Believe it geico could save you fifteen percent or more on Car Insurance. Brennan were back with general tony thomas retiring earlier this year. He spent 3 years in the u. S. Army. Sir, thank you very much for joining us. Something you know intimately of course is what the u. S. Architecture in syria was and the work we did with the kurdish lead sdf forces. You helped set all of that up. The leader of the forces says this is a terrible deal for him. President trump says its a great one for humanity. Which is it . Well, margaret i think its best we start the discussion by talking about how we got here. Four years ago when we had no real solutions, no real plan to take on the group isis had in syria. We were introduced to a group of kurdish syrians very surviving on the border with turkey. They only asked for our close air support. We had a hard time with partners becoming to nothing. We helped the ypg at that time. Thats where i made my point with the general. Remarkably, i attribute toe incredible efforts from special Operation Forces of ours, we were able to form a partner force. It was several thousand when we started, ended up being 10,000 mixed arabs, kurds and christians taking the fight to isis. They were a great partner until now. We knew it would come to an eventual conclusion. I think them and we were surprised by the abrupt halt. Brennan do you feel the kurds are being asked to surrender . I think theyre being asked to survive. The conversations we have had with them is the intent they would be part of the future of syria whatever that entailed. We didnt have a solid plan for how it would end. They believed they would be part of the fabric of the seer ya. Now theyre forced to make deals with the Syrian Regime and russia. Brennan thats a important point. The state Department Says no promise was made to the kurds to help protect them. You say there was a understanding. There was absolutely a discussion. Bret and i were there, we said they were part of the future discussion of syria. In return for doing our bidding. That was absolutely the approach from the previous administration. Carried into the current administration. They were not fighting for free. They were fighting to be part of that future demographic. Brennan mitt romney called this a blood stain on American History is that how would you put it. I dont know if i would be that hyperbolic. It will be a challenge for our future friends and allies, in terms of our staying power. This is evolved to a kurdish issue when reality is it was about isis. You heard the previous commentator say there was 30,000 isis left. It reminds me of to 2011. We didnt finish what we started and back two years later when isis came back. Brennan you believe isis will resurge . I believe they have a great opportunity to do that. You have the precursors of what existed before. Ththere will be a void. I think they will rally. These are adversaries. We havent done anything to knock down the ideology. I think they will see this as a opportunity to have resurgence. Im concerned about that. Brennan general, the term endless wars is popular for President Trump and Elizabeth Warren using this frequently. Do you see this as a broader trend in the country towards isolation itch . Isolationism. Hard to tell. We dont support endless wars. Specifically those who serve in the military. The reality is we have difficulty ending what we started. Go back to vietnam, korean war, etcetera, in this case we jumped into syria. Where i was not too long ago we were in mortar range of syrian forces, russian forces, forces we had fought, iranian forces, and the israelis over the top. I cant imagine a more complex situation. So obviously how we finish there is a challenge. Also how we stay engaged so we dont have to conduct larger scale operations. Brennan general, thank you for your insight. We will be back in a moment. With turning ideas into action. Putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. So, in case youre looking, weve put all the ways we can help in one place. Free training, tools, and Small Business resources are now available at google. Com grow plaque psoriasis uncoverth clearer skin that can last. In fact, tremfya® was proven superior to humira® in providing significantly clearer skin. Tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. 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